LEGO crimes
Here are some of the allegations against January 6th demonstrator Robert Morss:
Federal agents seized a plastic replica of the Capitol building from the Pennsylvania home of Robert Morss during his arrest on June 11. Justice Department officials are citing the Lego model as evidence in the criminal case against Morss for his involvement in the January 6 protest: “During his arrest, law enforcement recovered some clothing and other items that appear to match those he carried with him on the 6th—including a ‘Don’t Tread on Me’ flag, a neck gaiter, a military utility bag, a black tourniquet, and military fatigues. (Law enforcement also recoverd [sic] a fully constructed U.S. Capitol Lego set.)”
So wrote government prosecutors in a July 2 filing asking the D.C. District Court to deny Morss’ release while he awaits trial on nine counts, including assaulting police officers and disorderly conduct.
While dangerous criminals daily threaten the safety of innocent people in cities across the country—and many are released on bail—the FBI continues its nationwide manhunt for Capitol protesters while the Justice Department repeatedly petitions the court to keep the accused incarcerated for months on end.
Attorney General Merrick Garland, who despicably compares January 6 to the Oklahoma City bombing, recently bragged his office reached a “benchmark” of 500 arrests.
Please read the whole thing; it’s not just about Morss.
You will almost certainly be completely unsurprised to learn that the DOJ lied about the state of Morss’s LEGO set. It turns out that it was not assembled:
The US Capitol Lego set that federal authorities claimed to have recovered from an alleged rioter “fully constructed” was actually not assembled at all, according to new court papers.
An assistant US attorney in DC clarified in a letter filed on Friday that all 1,000-plus pieces of the plastic model seized from Robert Morss were still loose in the box.
“Please note that after a review of the photographs from the search, there appears to have been a miscommunication and that statement appears to be inaccurate,” prosecutors wrote.
“The Lego set was in a box and not fully constructed at the time of the search, as pictured below,” they added.
So, how’d they get it wrong? It’s not an easy error to make. And what else have they gotten wrong, and/or lied about?
Morss is charged with assaulting police officers. I wondered what the details were on that; did he hit anyone, for example? Here’s what I’ve found so far:
According to court documents and video footage, on Jan. 6, Morss was on the lower west terrace of the U.S. Capitol, where he led an assault on police and organized support from other rioters. In body-worn camera (BWC) footage, shortly after 2 p.m., Morss can be seen unsuccessfully trying to push through a fence separating the crowd from the Capitol while officers repeatedly asked the crowd to back up. As depicted in the BWC footage, after being asked to back up, Morss grabbed an officer’s baton and tried to rip it away. He is seen again attempting to rip items, including a metal fencing barricade and a helmet visor, from the hands of officers. At 2:57 p.m., Morss is visible in surveillance footage at the entrance of the tunnel to the Capitol. Morss is seen directly confronting officers, pulling against their shields and passing the stolen shields back into the crowd. Around 3:07 p.m., Morss yelled out, “Hey everyone with a shield, back up and organize! Make a shield wall! Organize right now and make a shield wall.”
Morss walked out of the tunnel around 3:14 p.m. and rejoined the crowd. At 3:48 p.m., he was captured on video near the archway entrance to the lower west terrace doors, where he and other rioters climbed through a broken window into the Capitol around 4:17 p.m. Video posted online shows rioters inside the room handing through the broken window furniture which other rioters used to attack officers guarding the lower west terrace doors. Morss can be seen around 4:30 p.m. inside the room and looking out after another window had been broken.
Is taking a baton from an officer and not using it on anyone “assaulting” the officer? It’s something, but is it assault?
And what if the LEGO set had been fully assembled? What would that have indicated of any import? Nothing. A LEGO set obviously is nothing like an architectural drawing. It gives no inside information beyond the most rudimentary nature of the building itself, familiar even to many children. In fact, it’s primarily a child’s toy.
It’s a ludicrous charge not worthy of mention even if true (which it wasn’t). We already know that Morss went to the Capitol to protest. Having an interest in the Capitol is a given, and meaningless. The charge is there in order to indicate some sort of thought crime in which even contemplating the building itself is considered evidence of some sort of evil intent.
And of course, as we already know, it was a lie anyway. Maybe the next thing the prosecutors will do is to claim that the fact that the LEGO set was still in pieces means that Morss actually wanted to blow up the building and render it destroyed – in small bits. No argument is too absurd for them.
Some other guy named Purse (I think) walked in the Capitol lingered for 13 minutes then left after doing pretty much nothing and now he’s in jail.
After Trump, everybody knows we have a corrupt and dishonest media and now they are seeing a corrupt and dishonest legal system.
This character Frank Luntz built an exact replica of the Oval Office and the Lincoln bedroom in his California mansion. Better have the Secret Service arrest him for potential thought crimes against the Presidency.
The DOJ/ FBI persecution sends a clear message:
Republican protest – bad – hugely punished.
Democrat protest – good – mostly peaceful, all can go home and then do it again.
Republicans need to be setting up a parallel society for their upcoming time “in the closet”.
Tom Grey:
Listen to Dan Bongino, see Parler, Rumble, AlignPay (alternative to Stripe online payment platform), Bongino Report (alternative to DrudgeReport). There is also “Locals” as an alternative to YouTube and of course “gab” another Twitter alternative.
The “doers” are doing.
om,
Yep, I’ve signed up for Locals. I’m still doing the free thing for now but I might become a paid subscriber for someone like Alison Morrow who I really like.
“Is taking a baton from an officer and not using it on anyone “assaulting” the officer? It’s something, but is it assault?”
It’s probably at least assault and battery, and, of course, interfering with official police activity, all without the excuse of wearing Black Bloc.
This is a troubling detail of one of the most alarming incidents of the 21st century.
On the plus side, it’s given the triggering event a name: The Lego Insurrection.
It clearly was not an ordinary insurrection as the Democrats claim, and even “riot” doesn’t seem to fit most of the participants’ actions. But “Lego Insurrection” seems to capture both the seriousness and the absurdity of it all.
Attorney General Merrick Garland, who despicably compares January 6 to the Oklahoma City bombing, recently bragged his office reached a “benchmark” of 500 arrests.
Recall that Obama was trying to sell Garland as a “moderate” Supreme Court Justice. We dodged a bullet by not having such a shill on the Court. “Moderate,” as in a very moderate amount of “thinking for himself.” (Gilbert and Sullivan’s Pinafore, When I Was a Lad: ” ‘ I always voted at my party’s call, and never thought of thinking for myself at all.’ . He thought so little they rewarded he- by making him the ruler of the Queen’s Navy.” That is Garland.)
One detail that caught my eye in that list of items seized was that they specified the color of the tourniquet: “…a black tourniquet…”. Does the fact that it was black mean it was some kind of extra-evil, full auto assault tourniquet? Or was yet another indicator of the systemic racism of Federal law enforcement?
When BLM and antifa ‘protesters’ are treated exactly as the Jan 6th protesters, then and only then can justice be served.
Until then, its political persecution. When and if the tables are turned, let no one suggest that those ‘americans’ who engaged in political persecution be treated any differently than they treated those who oppose them.
Political persecution is in fact a declaration of war and you do not win a war by refusing to fight by any means not mutually agreed upon. If one side can use WMD’s and the other side refuses to use them, there’s no doubt as to the winner.
Democrats have rejected due process and the rule of law. It’s now a case of might makes right. That’s the ‘tune’ they’ve ‘called’. To act as if they never made that choice is to deny that consequence should be proportional to the offense.
The rule of law and the due process necessary to the rule of law’s implementation, require adherence from both sides of the political isle. When only one side participates, there is no rule of law. Pretending otherwise is choosing to lose.
Nor is it a case of lowering yourself to their level, a case of what’s the difference? The intent is what distinguishes murder from a justified killing. In either case, someone is dead.
That’s why the difference between the original Hebrew, “Thou shalt not murder” and the Greek, “Thou shalt not kill” is so profoundly important.
@GB:
“That’s why the difference between the original Hebrew, “Thou shalt not murder” and the Greek, “Thou shalt not kill” is so profoundly important.”
Tsk tsk… Careful now, Alter Kämpfer! Slippery slope.
On a totally different tack, apparent Cynic that I am:
The Latest Decalogue
Thou shalt have one God only; who
Would tax himself to worship two?
God’s image nowhere shalt thou see,
Save haply in the currency:
Swear not at all; since for thy curse
Thine enemy is not the worse:
At church on Sunday to attend
Will help to keep the world thy friend:
Honor thy parents; that is, all
From whom promotion may befall:
Thou shalt not kill; but needst not strive
Officiously to keep alive:
Adultery it is not fit
Or safe, for women, to commit:
Thou shalt not steal; an empty feat,
When ’tis so lucrative to cheat:
False witness not to bear be strict;
And cautious, ere you contradict.
Thou shalt not covet; but tradition
Sanctions the keenest competition.
(Clough is Good Enough for me.)
Have always associated this one with the above, too:
In Westminster Abbey:
http://famouspoetsandpoems.com/poets/john_betjeman/poems/788
Nothing has to make sense when you have the power to enforce 2+2=5.
From the first Crossfire Hurricane idea to locking up folks who were in the Capitol for a brief “walk around” and some selfies-while-yelling…once the election was stolen they can do as they please.
Until they’re stopped. That’s where we are now.
Zaphod,
The intent that motivates our actions may be the ledge that saves us from the slippery slope. As good intentions do often pave the road to hell, intent must be reconciled with the Ten Commandments, for they are the lodestone by which our moral compass points to true north.
Which is why it’s far too important for sarcastic dismissal.
“Do not think that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets. I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.” KJV
John Guilfoyle,
Yes.
Grabbing batons and shields is probably assault.
But all of this is made entirely ridiculous by the box of Legos. Seriously?
Please clarify leaning here of ‘lego’.
@GB:
Of course. Which is why I take a dim view of those who would play games with overly-narrow rules open to selective semantic nitpickery… you may have noticed a delicate allusion there.
To give my excessively exegetical ineradicable ancient friends their due, the other side of the coin which you allude to very quickly devolves into Puritanism or Torquemada. I’m not very good at peering into other people’s heads or souls (except Om’s — pretty transparent)… are you?
ANanyMouse:
Lego?
It’s that #%^&ing %^&* you step on because your #%^&ing grandkid won’t tidy up his #%%&ing %^&* like a good kid. And now you’re hopping around on one leg cursing like a maniac because you’re the dumbass who gave it to him for his birthday.
Living rent free in such a vast and dark space. LOL
Sad to be Can Do!
Zaphod,
“the other side of the coin which you allude to very quickly devolves into Puritanism or Torquemada”
It can and has but only by those who seek to twist the Commandments and the events in Jesus’ life, so as to gain power over others and to raise their societal ‘status’.
Anything good can be twisted to serve the desires of those who have embraced evil.
As for reading into other people’s minds and souls. Most are fairly easy for in their words and actions they declare themselves. As for the rest, “by their fruits, shall ye know them”. For instance, many politicians have mastered the skill of persuasion and plausibility. But their ‘fruits’ reveal where they’re really coming from.
I know this might be a question that will remain unaddressed & unanswered, but – I wonder what role the US Capitol Police are playing in this investigation? I mean, we all know the Capitol Police are on film, waving the protestors past barricades that they moved aside, waving them in past doors they themselves opened. We all know a Capitol Police officer conducted a homicide on an unarmed protestor, and 7 months later remains unnamed, undiscussed, uncharged, and apparently unsanctioned.
And, we know the Capitol Police answer to nobody but Congress, and are out of reach of citizen actions for transparency. And finally, we know that they have just been given a $2 billion budget for taking their act on the road, free from oversight, free to conduct ‘investigations’ that are outside of the purview of the executive branches. So: Are they already busy? Do they have a role working with the FBI in this investigation?
om:
There are plenty of ways to criticize and/or disagree with Zaphod without resorting to petty taunting. Why not raise the tenor of the discussion rather than lowering it?
It’s open political persecution, and the whole thing is based on lies.
We don’t have rule of law, and there isn’t a legitimate government.
Legitimacy…a question, given what you’ve just said & with which I do agree.
So?
Speaking of Inquisitors… I hereby appoint myself official smoker outer of Fedpoasters.
Good timing as the Conversos have been pretty poor sport of late.
Legitimacy: Greetings, Fellow White Person! This way to your (it comes with all the mod cons) Pit and Pendulum, Xir.
I go back to sleep for 2 hours and the joint goes to the dogs.
“During his arrest, law enforcement recovered some clothing and other items that appear to match those he carried with him on the 6th—including a ‘Don’t Tread on Me’ flag, a neck gaiter, a military utility bag, a black tourniquet, and military fatigues.” — excerpted post
OK – we have Legos but not the Capitol; a Gadsden t-shirt (no flag), lots of neck gaiters (is it good or bad that most of them are from a BSA venue?), no military bag or fatigues (unless you count the WWII greatcoat of my FiL’s piloting days), and no “official” tourniquet (first-aiders recommend using those very, very carefully).
So, am I good for 1 or 6 months in jail when the Biden Inquisition comes to the door?
(Unexpectedly, of course.)
FWIW, I have never been to any political protests, peaceful or otherwise.
Free the Capitol Five Hundred.
This post has pictures.
https://notthebee.com/article/remember-the-january-6-insurrectionist-who-was-caught-by-the-fbi-with-a-fully-constructed-lego-capitol-set-yeah-it-was-still-in-the-box
And snark.
You must particularly remember the snark.
I am beginning to think that our Fourth Estate has more responsibility for this than they’d like. They set a standard, after all, of lambasting public officials based on the flimsiest of evidence… and now the FBI seems content to follow their example.
We spent thousands of years, establishing the importance of objective standards, and showing the world all that can be learned and built on that foundation. And now we are learning how quick and how simple it is to tear it all down.
We reject essential safety because it makes us uncomfortable. We reject fairness in favor of the pleasures of shortsightedness. We get rid of our police by refusing to pay them, and expect our communities to be safe without them. We laugh at colorblindness and are shocked to find racists in our midst.
@John Guilfoyle
I don’t think there is any one solution. Americans — and anyone who values human freedom at all — need to pursue a multi-pronged strategy to apply pressure to the regime in every possible way.
The most important one in my mind is to simply do your best to disconnect from the rotten parts of the system (and that’s most of them) and try to form a parallel system.
* Take time to make healthy in-person connections — Go to a church, fraternity, hobby group, or other.
* Avoid excessive spending, and do your best to avoid buying from Amazon, Walmart, Microsoft, Google/YouTube, and other technocratic organs of the illegitimate regime. Buy secondhand items, and buy preferentially from small companies with good values. You can tell the good ones by the American flags as opposed to the Rainbow flags.
* Turn off the TV & movies. Don’t buy any of this trash, it’s designed to propagandize you, and you’re not immune to it. Disconnect.
* Get familiar with and acquire cryptocurrency. Preferably look at privacy-protecting currency like Monero. Privacy is absolutely essential to liberty, and if you question that look up the Panopticon.
* Work towards creating new institutions that aren’t corrupted, and ruthlessly work to keep out the rot. Even in a small scale this has value, for example look at Ethan Van Sciver, a conservative artist who has started his own comics company and is page-for-page out-selling Marvel comics (which now prints propaganda instead of escapist fantasy)
* Invest money in yourself & your family’s independence (including land & homeownership). * * Learn handiwork/trade skills.
There’s no magic bullet, and all of that is on top of actually getting engaged with the political system.
it’s a lot of work. But the choice is basically between rising to the challenge or surrendering and condemning the world to the unthinkable.
Remember Mulder’s I Want To Believe UFO poster?
Everyone in the FBI and DOJ now have one only it’s a White Supremacist on it.
As others have pointed out, taking the officer’s baton is assault:
Progressive Partisan: “He assaulted an officer, and he had Legos. It was an armed insurrection and worse than 9/11!”
Conservative Response: Pretty much what neo wrote here.
Progressive Partisan: “So assaulting police officers is now ok?”
What normal people who don’t follow politics hear: The right now makes apologies for people who assault cops.
The Capital riot was the best gift Trump could have possibly given to the left. They can lie their rear ends off about it. They can overcharge and abuse the defendants. There’s precious little that any of us can do about it without appearing to defend the indefensible.
This bloody shirt is going to be waved every election, probably for the rest of my life.
Bauxite:
Who murdered Ashli Babbitt? Oh, it was Capitol Police Lt. Michael P. Byrd. You think that will be forgotten? Who killed Officer Brian Sicknick? Causes, Mr. natural preexisting causes. Do you think that will be forgotten? Who fed the country lies about both deaths? Do you think that will be forgotten?
The “bloody shirt” was Ashli’s.
“The Capital riot was the best gift Trump could have possibly given to the left. They can lie their rear ends off about it. They can overcharge and abuse the defendants. There’s precious little that any of us can do about it without appearing to defend the indefensible.” Bauxite
In no way did Trump facilitate the protest at the Capitol. Calling it a “riot” is not just inaccurate, it advances the left’s narrative.
As for defending the “indefensible”… that’s easily done. All anyone has to say is that the conditions in which the Capitol protesters are being subjected to are inhumane and a direct violation of Constitutional guarantees. Even if guilty, a charge yet to be rendered in a court of law, justice requires humane treatment of those who are innocent until proven guilty.
A court is the proper venue for determining guilt and consequence must be proportional to the crime. To argue otherwise is to support tyranny.
om – Your comment is a perfect illustration of my point. You’re dead on about the officer’s deaths and the media lies about them. Those lies are despicable. You lose it when you get to Ashli Babbitt, though.
Ashli Babbitt was part of a mob that was in the process of forcibly entering the Speaker’s office where several members of Congress were hiding from that same mob. The video shows her pushing through a broken window into the Speaker’s office at the time she was shot.
Her death was a tragedy. She did not deserve to die. She was horribly ill-served by the MAGA movement in general and Trump in particular. It may even be the case that the officer who another erred. She wasn’t murdered, though. Saying she was murdered makes you into exactly the caricature that the left wants you to be. (It also destroys you credibility if you ever want to defend an officer in a use-of-force scenario.)
But there it is – Trump’s gift to the left. The left can lie all they want about officers who died of natural causes and phantom white supremacists. We struggle to call them on it without also defending the indefensible (i.e., Ashli Babbitt trying to break in to the Speaker’s office).
Silly feebs, you can find floorplans of the capitol building on the internet, far more useful than a Lego kit.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=u.s.+capitol+building+blueprints&t=brave&iax=images&ia=images
IN FACT, the U.S. government is the source of a fine set of floorplans published as part of the Congressional directory.
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CDIR-1997-06-04/pdf/CDIR-1997-06-04-CAPITOL.pdf
Bauxite – correction, Babbitt was climbing through the door to the Speaker’s Lobby, not Speaker’s office.
https://www.npr.org/2021/04/14/987425312/officer-cleared-in-the-shooting-of-ashli-babbitt-during-capitol-riot
Officers barricaded the doors of the Chamber of the House of Representatives as the mob tried to break into the room from multiple entrances. Babbitt was shot as she climbed through a broken door into the Speaker’s Lobby. The bullet struck Babbitt in the left shoulder, and she later died from her wounds at Washington Hospital Center.
zenman – I think you’re right about it being the Speaker’s lobby instead of the Speaker’s office, but there were members of Congress in the other side of the doors/windows that the mob was breaking through.
I voted for Trump twice and I loathe the contemporary left.
But Bauxite is correct. On January 6th, Trump and “Trial by Combat” Giuliani snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.
If Trump’s “it’s going to wild!” rally had not taken place, sober-minded and serious men like Cruz, Hawley, Lankford, and others would have made well-reasoned critiques of the anomalies in the 2016 election. They were stifled and betrayed by the mindless mob that entered the Capitol Building.
Were the mob members traitors? No ! They were fools who wanted to have a “wild” time in DC.
They have provided an excuse for the fascistic DOJ and military grifters like Austin and Milley to bring totalitarianism to the USA.
DeSantis in 2024.
Babbitt was climbing through the door
She was just standing there.
1/6 was a panty raid or perhaps more aptly cosplay.
Bauxite is a cartoon that excuses murder, a tragedy, but she was in the Lego building, and was ….. a deadly rioter. Make that a dead Trump supporter and you might be less a cartoon. Trust the press much? Consult your local branch of the Capitol Police or the FBI if you feel concerned about caricutires who aren’t so trusting. You can trust them too.
Got any Lego sets, or know anyone who does? You know who to call, I trust.
Some would call such trust and actions treasonous.
Another well crafted caricature: the mindless mob. Hell bent on selfies, some dressed as jesters, “murdering” policemen, and being props for federal agencies such as the Feral Bureau of Instigations.
Nothing to see that you haven’t been fed by the press. Don’t want to think or say anything that progressives might not accept, is to be cowed.
DeSantis, Noem, Haley, Cotton, Cruz, Hawley…, responsible and right-minded leaders against the totalitarian left.
Trump accomplished some great things: Control at the Southern Border, Tax relief, increased wages for blue-collar workers, a rising stock market, getting out of the Paris climate accords, getting out of the Iran nuclear deal, transferring US troops from Germany to our real allies in Eastern Europe, defeating ISIS in Syria and Iraq, taking out Baghdadi and Soleimani, supporting Brexit and so on.
Unfortunately, his narcissism and management style led him to run the White House and federal government in helter-skelter fashion. The former buddy of Al Sharpton, Don King, Bill and Hillary, Chuck Schumer and all the guys and gals at Playboy Inc, the MMA, and the UFC – now tells us that Bill Barr is a bad guy, that Reince Priebus, John Kelly, and Mick Mulvaney are incompetent, that Mike Pence disappointed him, that Kavanaugh, Gorsuch, and Barrett are “very disappointing”, that Tillerson and Mattis are idiots. Trump fired Flynn for no good reason, and appointed Chris Wray as the replacement for Jim Comey.
He would be very effective as a gadfly working out of Mar-a-Lago or Bedminster, but another round at the White House is a bad idea.
BTW – He’s hanging around with Michael Wolf again ! Can Woodward be far behind ?
Intertube psychological analysis is always reliable, and Bill Barr was a stellar performer who was fantastically successful in curbing the violence of Antifa and Buy Larger Mansions.
You forgot to praise John Roberts and Lt. Col. Vindman. Step it up dude. Wokeness is the essential mission for the DOD.
C’mon man.
Orange Man Bad. Milktoast good! Alphabet agencies and media are double plus good.
GOPextinct forever!
And of course if a frog had wings he wouldn’t hit his but when he landed. Or if pigs had wings they would fly. Or it the election wasn’t somewhat dodgy we wouldn’t be where we are. Those “ifs” are powerful, wonderful things.
Mattis, was he one of the Pentagon perfumed princes that is alleged to have not kept the White House informed about the actual number of troops in Syria? Something about Chain of Command and who is the Commander In Chief comes to mind. What would describe such actions if they occurred? Stellar, exemplary, honorable? Fill me in, I’m dumb as a rock.
om and Art+Deco – Do yourselves a favor and watch the video at the link below. I’m not sure what you call a large group of people using blunt instruments to break through a barricaded doorway, but most everyone else calls that a mob. Also, the video clearly shows that Ashli Babbitt was off the ground and climbing through the broken out window frame when she was shot. She was not just standing there.
Again, her death was clearly a tragedy and I have nothing but sympathy for her and her family, especially her husband. This, however, was not a murder.
If we force Republican candidates to pay lip service to the proposition that Ashli Babbitt was murdered or even to Neo’s position that the guy who took the police officer’s baton was over-charged, we will give away votes just as surely as the progressive base gives away votes when it forces Democrats to pay lip service to BLM and “defund the police.”
https://nypost.com/2021/01/07/videos-show-shooting-of-ashli-babbitt-during-capitol-siege/
Bauxite:
The progressives have got you, hook line and sinker. Her husband may not be copacetic with your depiction of her murder. Regarding the mob, funny that little of the video is available, but back to your narrative. It’s a concern (troll).
bauxite – Do yourselves a favor and watch the video at the link below. I’m not sure what you call a large group of people using blunt instruments to break through a barricaded doorway, but most everyone else calls that a mob.
*****
I was assured by the press last year that this sort of behavior is called “mostly peaceful protests.”
zenman:
Bauxite is so helpful assuming that we are ignorant of the video of the murder. Glad to learn from Bauxite that it was justified, proportionate, and a thoroughly reviewed lethal force incident (maybe not). There also wasn’t an Antifa agitator egging the “mob” on and filming the video (actually he was).
The identity of shooter was not known to the public for some obscure but totally understandable reason. It wasn’t a summary, extrajudicial execution of the American citizen Ashli Babbitt (just looks that way).
Remember, Orange Man Bad. (Warning: This comment may contain sarcasm that some may find objectionable.)
In a previous comment I listed some of Trump’s positive and significant accomplishments. I also listed some of his shortcomings.
Other commenters apparently feel he is not to be criticized.
One commenter referred to “the myth of the mindless mob”. Did those people enter the Capitol building with the intent of informing/debating the legislators? Did any one of them produce a statement or manifesto outlining their complaints or any particulars of their political philosophy ? While they languish in their present Darkness at Noon confinement – are any of them communicating through family or legal representation any notion of their political positions or the depredations of their imprisonment ?
Finally: While these people are being held without bail while murderers in NYC and Los Angeles are freed without bail, why is Trump playing golf and telling his fans at CPAC what a great guy he is?
Why is he not forcefully speaking out for the people who came to DC on January 6th to support him so passionately ?
Who said Trump is not to be criticized, you lay the blame for the Reichstag Fire at his feet it seems. Okay.
Mindless mob and Robert’s Rules of Order? Peacefully assemble and address their grievances, not all were as peaceful,one is RIP. Rules for us but not for them, but you probably know that.
But above all else Orange Man Bad. And mean tweets.
Who said Trump is not to be criticized, you lay the blame for the Reichstag Fire at his feet it seems. Okay.
Mindless mob and Robert’s Rules of Order? Peacefully assemble and address their grievances, not all were as peaceful one is RIP. Rules for us but not for them, but you probably know that.
But above all else Orange Man Bad.
Sorry about the double post, smart phone, not so smart operator.
I am Spartacus was at the protest but did no go inside the Lego building IIRC. He doesn’t appear to be mindless to me. Maybe he was planning to have his document of grievances presented to Nancy Pelosi? Who knows, Lt. Michael P. Byrd didn’t like to receive visitors or communications it seems.
LeClerc:
You may not have seen neo’s last paragraph regarding Darryl Cooper:
““Some Trump supporters, unfortunately, thought the license for political violence applied to everyone; the hundreds of them now sitting in federal jails learned the hard way that it wasn’t true.” That’s true of some who actually did engage in violence, but it wasn’t true of the “hundreds” sitting in federal jails. Most of the people locked up right now for January 6th offenses engaged in no violence at all.”
A mindless mob that was mostly not engaged in violence? Not the mindless mobs of last summer it seems, these times are a’changin.
– Do yourselves a favor and watch the video at the link below.
I’ve already seen the video.
Or another take
Warning: this contains the “m” word regarding Ashli Babbitt.
H/T Ace.mu.nu
“Megyn Kelly: “No Question” About Whether the Media Exaggerated the Capitol Riot to “Make It Worse Than It Actually Was”
—Ace
You’re not allowed to speak the truth here; this is America!
Megyn Kelly said Monday that there was no question in her mind the media had exaggerated the violence that occurred during the Jan. 6 riot on Capitol Hill.
Mayr was at the Jan. 6 rally for former President Donald Trump — which later devolved into a riot — and she said that she had been unaware of much of the violence until after the fact.
“I mean, it was horrible, like, like, Ashli Babbitt was murdered — should not have happened, but for a group who could have come fully armed to the Capitol, they didn’t…. It was extremely peaceful and chill and most of us didn’t even know what was happening until hours later,” Mayr said.
“There is no question the media represented it as so much worse than it actually was,” Kelly said, although she made it clear that some of the day’s events were undeniably awful.”
zenman -You’re absolutely right. It is a double standard. If BLM had done exactly what the Trump supporters did at the Capital, it would have been called a mostly peaceful protest and we’d have seen all of those nauseating out-of-context MLK quotes about violence being the language of the unheard. Frankly, I believe that January 6th was child’s play compared to what we would have seen if Trump had been declared the winner.
Generally, though, I’m not sure that the way to fight that double standard is to insist that we should be allowed to have political violence on the right too.
LeClerc – I’ve seen the suggestion that the mistake made by the Capital rioters was not recognizing the double standard and thinking that “mostly peaceful” protests were ok for everyone now. As for Trump, I don’t think he gives a rip what happens to the folks in prison.
Bauxite:
Your last sentence is a gem. Seems to be at variance with those who have met him or know him, one a long time commenter on this blog BTW, but you be you.
No, there shouldn’t be a double standard, nor should there be overcharging and demonization of those who were truly peaceful protesters invited or allowed into the capitol by the very officers who should have kept people out.
There’s no reason to trust the government on the aftermath when they couldn’t be trusted with protecting the capitol in the first place.
Wait until they discover my secret Nazi Moon Base in MineCraft.
Lego… Do these amateurs still use Fax Machines too?
om – Actions speak louder than words. Sincerity can be faked, and many of the best at it are from politics and/or show business.
If Trump actually cared about the folks in prison from the Capitol riots, he would have done something. If you can show me that he has done something, I will gladly stand corrected.
When they came for the Kent State students in 1970, I protested, for I did not want to go to Vietnam.
When they arrested the January 6th protesters 51 years later, I said “Yay!”, for I am a piece of shit.
Orange Man is, was, and forever will be Bad. But I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a Lego today.
It is fun watching fbi cia satan agents tear apart the resistance here. No need to fight when they fight each other all the time.
Gb, it is already too late. Humanity is no longer qualified to decide the war, as the war is lost. I have won it and permission is now required for conservatives to talk about conspiracies without being deleted or shadow banned like ymar was by conservative bloggers. Karma loop trap groundhog day style.
I am not interested in these stupid red vs blue revo wars either. Dominion tells you what to vote for and even if you disagree, your vote still counts for zombie vampire child molesters.
Completely and utterly useless. What will happrn to useless eaters?
And he had Georgia covered. 🙂
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