The Democrats are not dumb – they have a plan
I saw this today from OregonMuse at Ace’s [emphasis mine]:
[Does the left] really want a country where only the police and military have firearms? I don’t think they realize the implications. I know they fantasize about this in a “gee, wouldn’t it be nice if…” sort of way, but they never stop to think about what if we had this sort of mass confiscation of privately owned firearms during the Obama years. So there is no private gun ownership and the only firearms in the country were carried by the police and military. And then, in 2017, all of the firearms in the entire country would ultimately by controlled by Donald Trump.
Is that really what they want?
As I said, progressives don’t realize what they’re asking for by implementing these powerful, sweeping, laws. They don’t understand that this is exactly what the founders of America did not want, that is, the concentration of power in the hands of a few. Yes, it may be more efficient, but if ‘efficiency’ is what they were after, they would have invested all power in the chief executive and that would be that. Progressives need to ask themselves, what if the men whom they want to have this power are voted out of office and replaced a party that hates them? As a self-defense instructor once told me, “never bring a weapon to a fight that you don’t want taken from you and shoved up your butt.”
Progressives would do well to learn this.
A couple of years ago I might have agreed. But no more. It has become abundantly clear that one thing has changed, and it changes the whole equation, and that’s the fact that Democrats are determined to make an opposition win impossible from now on.
They’ve not even been secretive about it, although I don’t know how many Americans are aware of the plan. Through a combination of the federalization of voting rules that allow them to cheat in areas where it matters – even if states are against it, the idea is that they will have no power to stop it in federal elections – as well as creating new wholly Democratic states and packing SCOTUS if necessary, they plan to make a win by the right impossible in the future.
To do this, they must nuke the filibuster. Whether Joe Manchin and/or Krysten Sinema will actually stand in their way remains to be seen. But if the filibuster can’t be destroyed this time, there’s always next time, or they may be able to accomplish what they want to accomplish through the mechanism of executive orders. But their plan is to accomplish it whatever way possible, and they think it’s possible.
Not only possible, but necessary. No longer will they ever trust in the will of the American people. The American people betrayed them in 2016, and that’s when the determination grew on the part of the left to make that impossible in the future.
So OregonMuse’s question, “what if the men whom they want to have this power are voted out of office and replaced a party that hates them?” is one they used to ask and that held them at least somewhat in check. But they feel they no longer need to ask it, because they aim to succeed in making that outcome impossible.
As part of that endeavor, demonizing half the country – their opponents – as dangerous revolutionary insurrectionists and seditious traitors who must be arrested or at least silenced, is necessary. They are well on their way towards doing that.
No longer will they ever trust in the will of the American people. The American people betrayed them in 2016, and that’s when the determination grew on the part of the left to make that impossible in the future.
neo:
That’s my take.
So much for slo-mo Fabianism. They see the chance for all the marbles and they are not going to let it slip past them.
I’m also reminded of the ominous opening credits to the reboot of “Battlestar Galactica”:
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The Cylons were created by man. They evolved. They rebelled. There are many copies. And they have a plan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyC0A98k-1s
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I was pretty excited by BSG. Plus the odd coincidence of a female president who looked a lot like Sarah Palin and an Executive Officer (who turned out to be a traitor) who looked like John McCain.
Alas they blew the whole show by turning it into an anti-Iraq War platform.
Now I learn there was no plan:
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There was no plan,” Moore laughed.
“It all came about when we were doing the main titles and we had to have what’s called a ‘precap’ as opposed to a recap,” he said. “So we had a precap before the main title. And David [Eick, executive producer] said we should have a punchy line there at the end…’and they have a plan.’ And I was like ‘What does that mean?’ He said ‘It doesn’t matter, doesn’t matter. It’ll be great. The audience will love it.’
“I said ‘But they don’t have a plan, David.’ He said ‘Trust me, this is marketing. We’ll figure it out later.’ So for the next fourteen years of my life people have asked me ‘So what was the plan?’ There’s no f***ing plan!”
https://www.ign.com/articles/2017/06/12/battlestar-galactica-showrunner-the-cylons-had-no-plan
In the next two years the Democrats clearly intend to import new voters via lax immigration controls; to add two new states if possible; and to regulate federal elections in such a way as to preserve the changes made in 2020 that produced so many irregularities and opportunities for cheating. And yes, on top of that is the program to vilify the 74+ million citizens that voted for you know who. But all of this seems to speak to a lack of confidence on their part, doesn’t it — that they cannot win fair elections on the merits of their policies, and must take steps to insure that they win by other means.
“they aim to succeed in making that outcome impossible.”
Which only makes violent unrest and civil war possible. So, the answer is “no, they don’t really understand what they are doing.”
These people are not masterminds. Look at the southern border. Are their Leftists who want to let in millions of illegal immigrants and turn them into Democratic voters? Sure. Did they really want to create a massive crisis so big that even the mainstream media can’t ignore it? No. They really didn’t want to do that. They just never actually thought through what they were saying and doing.
Mike
MBunge:
They are not masterminds at policy, that’s for sure. But they don’t need to be masterminds at that if they are masterminds at getting and keeping power, as well as propaganda.
They are excellent at those things. They have gained control of all cultural and informational institutions, and very few exceptions exist (blogs, a few newpapers, people like Tucker Carlson, a number of YouTubers) and they have managed to deplatform and/or marginalize most of those holdouts, or have plans to do so. They are good at enabling election fraud and at getting courts to agree with laxer rules. They are good at party unity (although there’s that nagging question about Manchin and Sinema, who may come through for them in the end or who may not).
They also have purged the military to a large extent; it has gone way to the left since Obama was elected. They are trying to do it to police forces.
As for armed revolt, don’t for a minute think they haven’t factored it in. That’s where the above paragraph comes in, as well as gun control. They believe they will win that battle. I happen to agree that it’s likely they will.
“They have gained control of all cultural and informational institutions”
And which are currently in a state of collapse.
27 states currently have GOP governors. The U.S. Senate is split 50/50. The Democrats have an eight vote margin in the U.S. House with five vacancies, two of which used to have Republican Congressmen. That means in 2022, the GOP only has to flip six seats to win back the House.
Mike
No plan survives first contact with the enemy and Nicolae Ceau?escu had the total backing of his military right up until he didn’t.
Spot on, Neo. This is the Left’s final push to gain absolute power, and they will do whatever it takes to get it. I cringe when I hear people on our side say, “No worries. We’ll take back the House and Senate in ’22. Vote harder!” Uh-huh.
HR 1 will give them immortality, and as it seems I California they then can do whatever they want as no one can stop them.
And the Supreme Court seems to be their lap dog.
MBunge:
I’m not saying they will inevitably succeed. I’m saying they’ve factored it all in, are not dumb, and are betting they will succeed. I actually think they might indeed succeed. I fervently hope they do not.
I don’t see those institutions as on the verge of collapse. They have experienced setbacks, but they still strongly influence thought and culture. The MSM and the universities certainly do, despite some losses, and now the rot has almost fully entered the public school system at the high school and even elementary level. Yes, some people are homeschooling and more probably will, but I don’t think there will be enough to make enough of a dent in the system.
MBunge:
And if HR1 is passed or if EOs accomplish much the same, I think they will control the elections in all but the most conservative areas.
What state legislatures do matters far less to the left than what happens on the national level. They plan to finesse state legislatures – for example, HR1 is a way to control the way states have elections.
It’s hard to tell when they know something vs they’ve drunk their own Kool-Aid.
It’s about power. For the left it’s always about power. They’re going to make everything better, after they get power.
But first, power. And they are good at it.
Not perfect, but as the old saying goes, the perfect is the enemy of the good.
Democrats understand that. I’m less sure conservatives do. And all the bluster about 2A and civil war is a grievous miscalculation IMO.
> what if the men whom they want to have this power are voted out of office and replaced a party that hates them?
HR-1 is designed to prevent that.
They will always be in power
I find it incredulous that anybody believe the demokrats do not know what they are doing.
EVERYTHING they do is planned and serves a purpose, the ultimate goal being the attainment of absolute power.
This is simply the MO of the left.
The will tolerate temporary messy conditions (see border “crisis”) or setbacks because they realize that voters will soon forget any “bad” news and, of course, the propaganda arm of the demokrat party – the media – will ALWAYS be on their side to “help” the people forget, or better yet, erase any bad news.
For those who think the demonkrat policies will lead to a civil war, well, the demonkrats obviously believe it will never come to that and if does the demonkrats believe they will nip it in bud.
After all, by then, they will have total control of the military, the police forces and will have disarmed all American owners of firearms.
This latter “achievement” may be bloody and require much force, but so what, the demonkrats will just do it.
The media will just report that those who died resisting where white Neo-Nazis insurrectionists, or more than likely, not report anything at all, as if it never happened.
Don’t forget that in addition to the total support of the media – and their 24/7/365 propaganda messages in support of the demonkrats – the Federal govt. can shut down bank accounts and financing of ‘insurrectionists,” and anybody else they deem to be “enemies of the state.”
Social media will be all in with the media supporting any and all demonkrat goals.
Folks, just look to Venezuela whose criminal thug leaders do not have even have 10% of the capability that the demonkrats have in Washington , DC. , to see how to eviscerate any opposition .
The ENTIRE Federal bureaucracy, the military, the FBI, NSA, CIA, IRS, DOJ, the Treasury , Federal Reserve, FDIC , etc. will ALL be used to shut down and eliminate all “enemies of the state.”
And it will all be supported by the social media tycoons and the media.
No regime in world history that conquered their own citizenry for the purpose of installing a leftist tyrannical regime has had the resources available to those in power in Washington, DC.
The demokrats know exactly what they are doing and they mean to prevail.
“Anger is more useful than despair.”
I’m a bit confused myself on how they expect this “Human Rights WON” atrocity to get past the Supreme Court.
Unless the SCOTUS has NO SAY in the matter of one political party abrogating Constitutional checks and balances so as to arrogate to itself total power from here to eternity.
Shorten version of what JohnTyler just said:
WE ARE SCREWED.
I’ve believed this every since they took advantage of the virus…what a gift that was to them! Almost makes one think China did it intentionally. I can’t affect any of these events myself. The only hope I have now is that we are able to move to Florida before it all comes crashing down…maybe get a brief respite there before it falls also. But, events are moving quickly and the end of the year may show an entirely different country.
It’s amazing to me how many people I know do not see any of this coming at them. Even my wife denies the gravity of the situation. SMH
Couldn’t agree more with all of above. There will never be another fair national election in our country, which will lead to a One-party state, which will lead to a dictatorship. We had a good 230 plus year run, but the end is in sight.
The Dems are demonstrating their incompetency at almost everything, but there is one thing they are Competent at, in fact excellent at, and that is cheating.
On the up side, the efforts to “demonize” only work with the people who already believed it. Those who muttered “racist” twenty years ago. Those who bought the bitter clinger, irredeemable deplorable thing without a hitch because they already believed it.
It doesn’t convince those who know better or think independently.
But…oops…there’s CRT in schools.
The name won’t change, most likely, but the United States of America our founders established is dead and gone. Betrayed by the turncoats in the IC and their various front agencies. A client state of the CCP..
@huxley:
I just watched it for the Kimchi Cylon. I’m kind of shallow.
How did your exams go? Giving those young whippersnappers a good run for their money?
Zaphod:
She was cute. As I recall, we saw two copies of her in good twin/evil twin flavors.
I haven’t checked my grades yet. My scrabble project is due tomorrow night and that’s my focus. It’s pretty meaty. The teacher pointed us at a great algo for computer play, but it’s tricky. Backtracking recursion in two directions.
I really don’t know how full-time STEM students do it. I’m putting in 6-10x homework to lecture hours. “Designing Large Programs” is a killer.
Don’t know if you caught my boasting a week ago that I had impressed my Discrete Math teacher with a new, improved method for calculating Bezout coefficients. Yesterday he taught my method to the class. Alas, I remained anonymous — “a student in class.”
neo states,
“Democrats are determined to make an opposition win impossible from now on.”
Indeed.
“To do this, they must nuke the filibuster.”
No doubt about it.
“Through a combination of the federalization of voting rules that allow them to cheat in areas where it matters – even if states are against it, the idea is that they will have no power to stop it in federal elections…”
That’s the strategy, which legally, leaves but one loophole; an Article V Convention of the States. 34 State legislatures are needed to call such a convention and 38 State representative’s approval are needed to amend the Constitution.
Once called, neither the President, Congress or SCOTUS has any say whatsoever in affecting any and all amendments the representatives may vote upon. And any and all approved amendments are binding upon the Federal government and the States.
An Article V Convention was and is the Founder’s final assurance to the States that they can rein in a Federal government that has become contemptuous of the will of the people.
“As part of that endeavor, demonizing half the country – their opponents – as dangerous revolutionary insurrectionists and seditious traitors who must be arrested or at least silenced, is necessary. They are well on their way towards doing that.”
Not quite. They are making examples of a few hundred in an attempt to intimidate half the country. And in doing so, they are convincing that half of the country that, it is they who are the traitors and creating a revolutionary mindset in those they seek to intimidate.
Currently, Republican have majorities in 31 State Legislatures. Once the democrats nuke the filibuster and start enacting abhorent policies that directly and negatively affect the lives of the majority of American voters, more State legislatures are going to gain republican majorities.
@huxley:
I’m sure you aced them!
Just took a brief eye-glazing peek at Gordon’s tweak of Appel & Jacobsen and promptly ran for the nearest exit. Good luck with that!
Have fuzzy memories of doing all nighters back in the eighties but couldn’t keep up that pace now. I’m sure you’ve accumulated lots of experience and guile to help make up the difference in a race with the Young.
I did. You should threaten to accuse DM Prof of sexual harassment or cultural appropriation or summit if he doesn’t give you co-auth credit in a note to appropriate SIAM journal .
@GB:
Re: Article V Convention
Be careful what you wish for.
Signed,
Charles & Louis.
PS: These things have a bad habit of not working out the way them wot called them envisioned.
“all of this seems to speak to a lack of confidence on their part, doesn’t it — that they cannot win fair elections on the merits of their policies, and must take steps to insure that they win by other means.” James S
Agreed. Yet an inability to pursuade on the merits and resorting to deceit to ‘win’ is ultimately a self-defeating strategy for it defies reality.
MBunge @ 3:00pm,
Xiden just replied to a reporter’s question and indicated that the administration is partially returning to Trump’s policy. A response to increasingly media concern about packing children in cages. Bad optics.
“They also have purged the military to a large extent; it has gone way to the left since Obama was elected. They are trying to do it to police forces.” neo
Only the majority of the upper echelon REMFs… 80% of the military remains loyal to their oath of allegiance to the Constitution. But mutiny and a military coup is not lightly contemplated. It takes great and long abuses to foment one. The left will provide those abuses, indeed they already are, soldiers sleep on garage floors, while illegals are put up in hotels and get $1400. checks. Sailors and soldiers are harangued that any American not on board with left wing memes is an extremist.
“all the bluster about 2A and civil war is a grievous miscalculation IMO.” huxley
The miscalculation is on the left’s part, they imagine that Americans who mostly want to be left alone to live their lives as they see fit… will meekly accept the left’s boot stomping upon their face… forever. They embrace the delusion that the US Military’s enlisted will supply the boot and just follow orders.
“After all, by then, they will have total control of the military, the police forces and will have disarmed all American owners of firearms.
The ENTIRE Federal bureaucracy, the military, the FBI, NSA, CIA, IRS, DOJ, the Treasury , Federal Reserve, FDIC , etc. will ALL be used to shut down and eliminate all “enemies of the state.” JohnTyler
Total control? That 80% will just follow orders? All police officers as well? The majority of gun owners will willingly comply and not hide their guns?
All “enemies of the state.”? Which will include, at the least, half of America?
Lord Almighty!! With friends like these, who needs enemies.
This is their high water mark and they know it. That is why they are moving with haste. Slowly but surely the election fraud is being laid bare. There are counter reactions starting. The border is a mess and getting worse. HR1 is now being opposed by the election officials who now realize that they can be sued. And now they realize there is no money to pay for it. State legislatures are taking back their role in determining elections. The border crisis is a harbinger. Recall effort against Newsom is real. The Sullivan doctrine is getting challenged. Project Veritas suit against the NYT is proceeding to discovery. Alternative platforms are arising against Facebook, Google and Twitter. And judges are starting to check the most egregious parts of the DOJ weaponization against the American People.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-this-voting-rights-bill-could-turn-the-next-election-into-a-clusterfck
Do you really think patrolmen, privates and sergeants will turn on their neighbors in mass? It is interesting that Guam National Guard is in the capital. The Chinese had to import Uigher divisions to crush Tiananmen Square. Chavez had to import Cubans to stay in power. Soviets had to send in Polish divisions to crush the Czech spring.
All is not lost. But YOU have to work and not be a frustrated poster pounding on the keyboard. For all you glum chums, how many of you are on election integrity teams? I am.
How many are contacting your lawmakers at all levels of government making your wishes known? I am.
How many of you are talking to your neighbors in a polite way discussing the issues? (Change is a process not a moment.) I am.
How many of you are quaking behind your masks waiting for “the knock on the door”. I am not.
How many of you are “in the arena”? If you are not, then get in or leave.
“Rather proclaim it, Westmoreland, through my host,
That he which hath no stomach to this fight,
Let him depart; his passport shall be made
And crowns for convoy put into his purse:
We would not die in that man’s company
That fears his fellowship to die with us.”
Henry V, Act IV, Scene III
Set your face to a stony gaze, gird your loins for battle and act with purposeful cold anger.
Geoffrey Britain:
Obama purged the upper echelons, but they are currently trying to ideologically purge and/or re-educate the lower ranks, post-January 6th.
Well said Geoffrey. I see spine in your response.
Neo – Geoffrey Britain:
Obama purged the upper echelons, but they are currently trying to ideologically purge and/or re-educate the lower ranks, post-January 6th.
It isn’t going well according to a few of my friends in the military. It has spilled out in the blogosphere too. Lower ranks are pushing back hard questioning how ANTIFA isn’t included.
People are just shutting up. This is very dangerous as one of the reasons that our military has been so effective is that there is rigorous communication up and down the command structure. Ie. the lower ranks could give feedback. That is how so many disruptive technologies could be harnessed and deployed so quickly. But this stifles communication.
I just hope this mal-administration doesn’t blunder us into a war.
About JohnTyler’s Neo-1984 message—
“ For those who think the demonkrat policies will lead to a civil war, well, the demonkrats obviously believe it will never come to that and if does the demonkrats believe they will nip it in bud.
After all, by then, they will have total control of the military, the police forces and will have disarmed all American owners of firearms.
This latter “achievement” may be bloody and require much force, but so what, the demonkrats will just do it. [And if bloody, it will be disappeared. If not, then another warning shot against dissent!]” — our future is a jack boot stomping on our faces forever.
Yeah. That’s my fear, too.
They will criminalise and prosecute any organised dissent. And do this through the overweening massive powers of the centralised state, aided and abetted by the corporate fascists.
They have learned to imitate Chinese synopticon-style tyranny very well, and ape it where they don’t have it (eg, Big Tech and Big Media).
This IS our future.
Unless there’s an underground communications system. And even that is hugely vulnerable. And possibly untenable.
How can dissent organise without getting exposed, persecuted, and prosecuted?
Here’s one naive hope: use the postal mails and private mails sent to P.O. style office boxes (mix them up). Go old school. A quiet takeover of the ham radio system. Learn Morse code and use it. Teach these crafts.
Be the remnant that becomes The Resistance!
I Am Spartacus:
Glad to hear the military is resisting.
My own personal experience with this sort of thing is in academic settings, and for decades I’ve been astounded at how few people are willing to make even mild protests in situations where the risks aren’t even all that high. When I did protest certain things, I was basically alone, even though some people came to me privately and said they agreed with me.
Just took a brief eye-glazing peek at Gordon’s tweak of Appel & Jacobsen and promptly ran for the nearest exit.
Zaphod:
I stuck with the original Appel & Jacobsen and it was trouble enough. Losing track of the double recursion combined with off-by-one errors ruined the fun.
We only have 23 days to do the project — including the Gui for playing the game — and that assumed you worked straight through spring break as I’m pretty sure everyone did.
I wonder if it’s the washout course for the third-year CS students. I suppose it’s good preparation for the real world in which programmers work 50+ hours/week unless they are in government. Worse for startups.
I was in my late-forties during the dotcom bubble and I remember thinking, “I’m too old to sleep on the floor anymore.”
Mama, don’t let your babies grow up to be programmers!
Re: Civil war…
Geoffrey Britain, et al:
It’s hard for me to see. Living in the Transformational States of America won’t be fun, but by historical standards still comfortable, which will be good enough for most Americans IMO.
I had a surfer friend who became a Green Beret, then a top KKK paramilitary leader at war with ZOG. He spent ten years in prison and now keeps to himself on a farm.
The Weather Underground went up against the government and lost. They are now winning, maybe almost won, by working within the system.
It’s impossible to say what a 21st century US civil war will be like. I don’t want to find out.
“My own personal experience with this sort of thing is in academic settings, and for decades I’ve been astounded at how few people are willing to make even mild protests in situations where the risks aren’t even all that high.” – Neo
And this is why Jordan Peterson is a Hero to the Deplorables.
Spartacus – I totally loved the Daily Beast article. You could feel the author’s exasperation oozing from every pixel! She obviously is knowledgeable about the bill and election procedures, maybe a first for modern journalists.
Yes, they have a plan: it was drafted in 2018, and partially implemented by piece-meal stealth and fraud in 2020 — so there has been plenty of time to fine-tune the problems she details, except for the ones the House introduced this year.
All programmers will understand that the more bugs you fix, the more opportunity you have to create new ones.
I have to say that this was my favorite section:
“While most of the election administration reforms are at least rooted in good policy, the bill also makes recommendations that appear to solve non-existent problems.”
She explains later that the bill’s authors were worried about workers being exposed to Covid-laced flaps, and demolishes their fears with facts — she doesn’t even have to go into her own truth, although I think she is writing a lot from the perspective of her lived experience.
“It, for example, encourages elections offices to use self-sealing envelopes. These envelopes are about 30 percent more expensive than the envelopes currently in use for ballots, and their glue gums up the USPS’s machines—making voting more expensive and less efficient. It’s not clear what would justify such a change, as even the most disadvantaged voters have access to their own spit.”
Petard, hoisted on their own they are.
I would say, “Pass it and live with it” but they will treat its provisions like Obamacare’s: as suggestions, not statutes. Then just tweak it on the fly until it “works” at least well enough to deny the GOP any further victories.
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Yes, they’re asses, not morons. Everything is Planned (pun intended).
I have a plan. Trum vs xiden.
Yammer lost his little p again. What could that mean? Trolling or just lazy?