Billie Eilish: “no one is illegal on stolen land”
Pop star Billie Eilish has been hit with calls to either return her $3 million Los Angeles mansion to a Native American tribe or welcome migrants inside following her controversial Grammys declaration.
The 24-year-old singer won a Grammy for her hit song Wildflower on Sunday, but it was her acceptance speech that got the country talking.
‘As grateful as I feel, I honestly don’t feel like I need to say anything but that no one is illegal on stolen land,’ Eilish said, referencing the colonization of the Americas by Europeans.
As she stood alongside her brother Finneas, who co-wrote and produced the song, Eilish continued to address the ongoing immigration raids going on across the US.
‘It’s just really hard to know what to say and what to do right now, and I just feel really hopeful in this room, and I feel like we just need to keep fighting and speaking up and protesting, and our voices really do matter, and the people matter,’ she said.
She concluded her brief but impassioned speech by shouting, ‘And f*** ICE, that’s all I’m gonna say. Sorry!’
Charming.
And I would have thought that, if the land is stolen, then everyone would be illegal except the original owners. But I also thought that native tribes didn’t have a concept of land ownership back then. This says as much:
The Native American concept of land ownership differs significantly from that of the European settlers who colonized the Americas or their descendants in that land could not be owned, only stewarded and lived with. The Earth is understood by Native Americans as a living, sentient being, and, therefore, no one can claim ownership.
To Native Americans, the Earth is one’s relative, requiring respect and care, as are all the animals and plant life the land supports. The definition of one’s ‘relatives’ encompasses all living things, not just the members of one’s family, and so, just as one would not claim to ‘own’ a relative, one cannot own the land; one can only act as a steward in caring for it. The European settlers’ understanding of the land was quite different …
The Tongva tribe had this to say to Eilish, however:
‘As the First People of the greater Los Angeles basin, we do understand that her home is situated in our ancestral land,’ they stated, adding that the A-lister has not reached out to the tribe herself.
‘Eilish has not contacted our tribe directly regarding her property, we do value the instance when Public Figures provide visibility to the true history of this country,’ the spokesperson continued.
Well, Eilish already stated that no one is illegal on stolen land, so that would include her as not being illegal. However, she seems to think this guy is illegal:
… [T]he Birds of a Feather performer obtained a restraining order against a man who she said was stalking her and threatening her family and friends in 2023.
A man named Shawn Christopher McIntyre was ordered by a court to keep a distance of a minimum of 100 yards from Eilish, 21, her family and her friend Zoe Donahoe, TMZ reported, citing court docs. obtained a restraining order against a man who she said was stalking her and threatening her family and friends in 2023.
I wouldn’t ordinarily pay attention to the words of Eilish at the Grammys (or anywhere, really). But this was too ironic – and too typical of leftist celebrities – to ignore.
[emphasis added – sdferr]
On necessity, I wonder: is it necessary that talented Billie Eilish be a slavishly ignorant conformist dullard? Or, supposing an hypothetically alternative education, might she be otherwise, or so to say, charming or interesting in a manner she now finds impossible?
Of course, the history of Native Americans is one of tribes and groups conquering other tribes and groups and “stealing” their land.
That’s the way that cookie crumbles in all of human history.
@sdferr:is it necessary that talented Billie Eilish be a slavishly ignorant conformist dullard?
It is necessary that a performer perform, yes. Your guess is as good as mine what any of them actually believe, but they’re quite likely to say whatever their management judges is most profitable. They don’t always get it right, but it’s not as though any significant element of the Right opts out of giving such people money.
@huxley:That’s the way that cookie crumbles in all of human history.
It sure does, and it continues to do so.
“The Native American concept of land ownership differs significantly from that of the European settlers who colonized the Americas or their descendants in that land could not be owned, only stewarded and lived with.”
I don’t believe that to be entirely accurate. Indians were tribal, which essentially means “communist” which is why they never had the potential to rise to the prosperity level of the European invaders. In Tribal/communist societies, there is no incentive to excel, so the bare minimum effort for survival is the standard. Why bust your a$$ when the lazy SOB the next TeePee over is going to get a share of what you worked for anyway? But I digress.
What tribal also means is that they may not have recognized *individual* ownership of land, they certainly recognized tribal ownership and defended their tribal lands against other Indian tribes (and European invaders) incredibly viciously.
The claim that they “lived with” and “stewarded” the land rather than own it is romantic hogwash.
Billie Eilish is a genuinely talented singer and songwriter, but no one has ever accused her of being an intellectual giant. While neither of them will admit it, her success can be 80% credited to her older brother — who has guided her career from the beginning, “co-writes” most of her songs, produces her recordings, and accompanies her on live performances.
I saw a photo of Eilish at the awards ceremony. Her eyes look dead.
“The Native American concept of land ownership differs significantly from that of the European settlers who colonized the Americas or their descendants in that land could not be owned, only stewarded and lived with.”
But if you were a Comanche in the 1800s, you weren’t going to allow the Apache to steward land you wanted to steward…
Sharing a YouTuber and his granny who always makes great shorts:
https://youtube.com/shorts/7CfV7FGxWrE?si=uLgpn3UTb0OAWKVg
Granny so cracks me up!
She should be the 2026 urinal target ( a guy thing) the same way Hanoi Jane (Fonda) was in the late 60’s early 70’s.
What’s been happening in British Columbia over the past while should be of interest and concern.
Seems that the State of Washington will soon be following suit and there are rumblings in California.
Can Oregon be far behind?
Wonder if the west coasters will soon decide that they can bypass Trump and start signing separate “understandings” and/or trade deals with Klaus Schwab’s fave country (AKA China)…
+Bonus:
“Could Billie Eilish’s ‘Stolen Land’ Debacle End Land Acknowledgements?…”
https://instapundit.com/774052/
The land is stolen so let’s allow 2 Billion people to migrate here !
Only makes sense to a leftist.
A bit of research revealed that, “Yes, the Chumash and the Tongva (also known as Gabrielino) are distinct, separate Native American tribes with different languages, cultures…”
And, “The Chumash, who are believed to have arrived in the Los Angeles area about 3,000 years ago…”
Dollars to donuts the Chumash occupied the greater Los Angeles basin before the Tongva arrived. Who peacefully ‘persuaded’ the Chumash to ‘vacate’ the greater Los Angeles basin and ‘allow’ the Tongva to ‘steward’ the land.
I do wish there were more Land Acknowledgments that explicitly listed 3 or more tribes which controlled the land, with each of the last two being noted as conquerors.
And noting that unowned stuff, when taken, is not stolen.
Civilization kinda starts with property, who owns this land? The owner de facto is the group willing and able to defend it from other groups. Nomads mostly mosey on rather than fight to the last man, or Mohican.
@Kate: I saw a photo of Eilish at the awards ceremony. Her eyes look dead.
That was my thought too.
Is heroin chic back?
The government bought my property from the Twana in 1855 via the Treaty of Point-No-Point.
“ The Point No Point Treaty was signed on January 26, 1855, at Point No Point, on the northern tip of the Kitsap Peninsula.[1] Governor of Washington Territory, Isaac Stevens, convened the treaty council on January 25, with the S’Klallam, the Chimakum, and the Skokomish tribes.[2][1] Under the terms of the treaty, the original inhabitants of northern Kitsap Peninsula and Olympic Peninsula ceded ownership of their land in exchange for small reservations along Hood Canal and a payment of $60,000 from the federal government. The treaty required the natives to trade only with the United States, to free all their slaves, and to not acquire any new slaves.”
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The Klallams filed a claim with the Indian Claims Commission for compensation beyond that already received for lands ceded under the Point No Point Treaty. The Klallams claimed that the Chimakums were nearly extinct at the time of the Point No Point Treaty and that those few Chimakums left had been absorbed into the Klallam tribe. The Klallams had occupied the former Chimakum lands and claimed them as their own. In 1957 the commission recognized the Klallam claim of possession of the Chimakum lands at the time of the treaty and granted compensation of over $400,000.
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The 9 groups who make up the Twana were historically completely autonomous and independent. The Twana were bound by no higher political power, but only by shared language, location, and cultural practices. While the area in the immediate vicinity of a group’s village would be exclusive use, the vast majority of land was used freely by all Twana groups.[12]
Twana Name English name Meaning Village location(s)
?tta?bux? Dabob Long Spit people Long Spit (tabux?), at the head of Dabob Bay
sq?ul?sid?b?š Quilcene People of the saltwater The mouth of Donovan Creek (q?ul?sid)
?tduswaylupš Dosewallips Dosewallips River people The mouth of the Dosewallips River (duswaylupš)
?tdux?yabus Duckabush Duckabush River people The mouth of the Duckabush River (dux?yabus)
?tslal?a?la?t?b?x? Hoodsport Slahal-country people The mouth of Finch Creek (slal?a?la?t?b?x?)
squq??b?š Skokomish People of the river
The confluence of the forks of the Skokomish River (y?lal?qu)
The mouth of McTaggert Creek (x?c?ay?ay)
A flat on the Skokomish River between villages 2 and 4, called ???lax?c?d
Below the falls at Lake Kokanee (??uq??a???)
The former lower end of Lake Cushman (?ilu???)
?tq???lq??ili Vance Creek Cedar trees people Up Vance Creek (q???lq??ili) at the prairies
?ttax?uya Tahuya The mouth of Tahuya Bay (tax?uya)
?x?l?l?p Duhlelap People at the far end of the canal The mouth of Mission Creek (dux?k?uk??abš) at Belfair State Park
Eilish, like most leftists, intends for her strictures to apply only to Other People. Surprise when it turns around, innit?
“The land is stolen so let’s allow 2 Billion people to migrate here !”
Migrant is temporary, like migratory birds. You mean immigrate which is a permanent move.
Eilish is free to leave the USA, renounce her US citizenship, and live in a country that is devoid of stolen land. She, and those of her political ilk never seem to do this.
Speaking of stolen lands; before white folks showed up in N. America, most (all?) Indian tribes had warriors.
Why is this?
Only two possible reasons; to protect themselves from tribes seeking to kill them (and steal their land?) or to attack and kill other tribes (and steal their lands?)
Did the Pueblos Indians choose to live in hi rise cliff dwellings to enjoy the view?
They’re icon”The Crying Indian” is Italian!
His film name Iron-eyes Cody.
@Sennacherib:They’re icon”The Crying Indian” is Italian!
I don’t think he’s anyone’s “icon”, and no one under 50 has any idea who that even is. I only know because I saw the “crying Indian” parodied on the Simpsons 28 years ago in 1998, which was 28 years after the “crying Indian” PSA first aired.
I only know the intertubes are forever ….
the fact, that she did the sound track for that terrible bond film, already jaundiced me on her,
mission accomplished they reduced their audience by 6 percent, I expected it would be greater,
yeah it’s like when I reference, about travolta in the boy in te bubble,