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Happy un-woke Columbus Day — 25 Comments

  1. ‘War slavery, and the mines”—shouldn’t “disease” or “pestilence” be in there somewhere, too?

    As shown by some of the dates listed, disease came somewhat later.

    In reading a book on the Conquest of the Aztecs, the author made the point that many of the Caribbean natives disappeared as a people, but a lot of this was due to native women choosing Spanish men (better to be with the men who are in charge).

  2. As far as the Black Legend goes, it isn’t just about Spanish treatment of natives but also the conflicts between the Europeans. The Spanish were some of the most radical Catholics in the European wars of the period, in one incident slaughtering the French Protestants in a Florida settlement.

  3. The KKK were a community of rabid Diversity (i.e. color judgment, class bigotry or class-disordered) ideological strain that wielded liberal license and entertained abortive ideation to relieve “burdens” to their social progress.

  4. Where is it written that Columbus couldn’t have done both good and bad things ?
    Why can’t we celebrate Columbus and Native Americans on the same day ?

  5. The native or indigenous people were neither as the first people nor in the jurisdictional (e.g. national) sense, but rather competing interests utilizing ethnic Springs, abortion, slavery, and other modes when it served their progressive ambitions.

  6. From the perspective of history and the colonization of the Americas, all European powers that colonized the Americas, such as England, Portugal, the Netherlands and others, were guilty of the ill-treatment of indigenous peoples.

    That mistreatment isn’t the same, however. The English, for example, began by buying land from the natives, and they did not force conversions. The long term result for the natives wasn’t better, but the English approach started out much more humane in my view. Of course, they also started out a good hundred years later.

    The interesting thing to me is that despite the difference in approach the natives had a hard time regardless. I think the lesson is that it really sucks to be part of a primitive society having contact with a more advanced society.

  7. The best case scenario is to mitigate progress that follows an Ouroboros philosophy, a cannabilistic consensus.

  8. If the encomienda system did in fact resemble feudalism in Europe, then the Spaniards only did to the Tainos what Europe’s elite did and were still doing to its peasants at the time, and although that is bondage it’s not slavery.

    I’d count it as a system of slavery. It was a system developed during the Reconquista, and I believe it was applied to non-Christians.

    Cortez was critical of the encomienda system while he was in Cuba but ended up using it in Mexico himself. But he used it because he had to. He had to reward his men and he didn’t have enough wealth left over to provide sufficient reward. By that point, he had a lot of enemies.

  9. Another thing to consider is that Columbus was likely a Sephardic Jew (disguising his background so as to avoid the insurrection). DNA testing has revealed this is likely the case. Also, his travels were partly funded by recent converts to Christianity. Contemporary chroniclers speaking against him likely suspected this and sought to bring down The Navigator by any means possible.
    Some things never change.

  10. First I’d like to say that as a Native of Florida in the Americas, I had a happy indigenous day. Second, Columbus deserves a solid place of honor in our history. If there wasn’t a New World for all the Dissenters to escape to, we would not be enjoying Freedom of Religion and speech which I consider to be THE foundation of a civilized world.

  11. @ Don: “I think the lesson is that it really sucks to be part of a primitive society having contact with a more advanced society.”
    If the beliefs about UFO’s that Snow on Pine has been presenting to us turn out to be true, then it is likely we will find ourselves in that very same position.

  12. Every history notes the introduction of European disease to the Americas as a big negative of exploration.
    Not many note that it was a two way street. It’s highly likely that syphilis was a New World disease brought back to the Old World by sailors.

  13. At the time all of this happened, slavery was common all over the world, to different degrees and with different details.
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    That is less true than people realize, at least in Western Europe. Slavery had been dying out throughout the Middle Ages. It did come back with the Renaissance, with the worship of all things Roman.

    But one place it had persisted was Iberia. It’s hard to get people to stop enslaving captives when they win, when their neighbors will enslave them when THEY win. And do not forget that until 1492, Spain was partly Moslem.

  14. Feudalism was almost dead in Europe. The failure to see this is the result of accepting the Marxist definition, rather than the historically useful one of a system of land tenure based on military service. The Marxist version is applicable to almost any agrarian state, which makes it of minimal use.

  15. I will venture to guess that every single indigenous western hemisphere tribe, well before any Euros appeared on the scene, had warriors.

    Why would a tribe have warriors??

    Either to protect themselves from other tribes bent on killing or kidnapping them, or to conquer / kill / other tribes.

    Does anyone believe, as an example, that the Pueblo Indians lived in cliffs to enjoy the view.

    And when Cortez conquered the Aztecs, the vast majority of his army were indigenous Indian tribes who relished the chance to seek revenge on the Aztecs.

    The notion that indigenous tribes all lived in peace and harmony prior to the arrival of the Euros is just plain BS. Indigenous tribes were killing each other for thousands of years before any white guys showed up.

    Not to say the Euros were totally innocent of atrocities.

    Interersting book ; “Captured by the Indians.” Accounts of whites kidnapped by Indians in N. America.

  16. Aren’t we taught that Asian peoples migrated to North America during the last Ice Age across the land bridge between present Siberia and Alaska? Doesn’t that mean that our “indigenous” peoples aren’t indigenous to North America?

  17. Treaty of Point No Point, 1855
    Articles of agreement and convention made and concluded at Hahdskus, or Point no Point, Suquamish Head, in the Territory of Washington, this twenty-sixth day of January, eighteen hundred and fifty-five, by Isaac I. Stevens, governor and superintendent of Indian affairs for the said Territory, on the part of the United States, and the undersigned chiefs, headmen, and delegates of the different villages of the S’Klallams, viz: Kah-tai, Squah-quaihtl, Tch-queen, Ste-tehtlum, Tsohkw, Yennis, Elh-wa, Pishtst, Hunnint, Klat-la-wash, and Oke-ho, and also of the Sko-ko-mish, To-an-hooch, and Chem-a-kum tribes, occupying certain lands on the Straits of Fuca and Hood’s Canal, in the Territory of Washington, on behalf of said tribes, and duly authorized by them.

    ARTICLE 12.
    The said tribes and bands agree to free all slaves now held by them, and not to purchase or acquire others hereafter.

  18. R2L on October 13, 2025 at 11:40 pm said:
    @ Don: “I think the lesson is that it really sucks to be part of a primitive society having contact with a more advanced society.”
    If the beliefs about UFO’s that Snow on Pine has been presenting to us turn out to be true, then it is likely we will find ourselves in that very same position.

    Yes.

  19. JohnTyler on October 14, 2025 at 9:41 am said:
    I will venture to guess that every single indigenous western hemisphere tribe, well before any Euros appeared on the scene, had warriors.

    I’ve heard it argued that there were peaceful native American tribes, but from what I can tell those were tribes that were isolated and we just lack knowledge of their warfare.

    Note that prior to the horse, the Comanche were a weak people hiding in the foothills from the Apache. Had they not adopted the horse they probably would have been recorded as a peaceful people hiding from more warlike neighbors.

    Also note that the most successful native warrior tribes based their success on the Spanish import of horses.

  20. Chases Eagles on October 14, 2025 at 1:00 pm said:

    ARTICLE 12.
    The said tribes and bands agree to free all slaves now held by them, and not to purchase or acquire others hereafter.

    The Cherokee took slaves with them on the Trail of Tears. And later fought for the Confederacy.

  21. Columbus is like Jimi Hendrix. Lot’s of people can play your stuff or sail across quicker, but to be first.

  22. Alan Colbo on October 14, 2025 at 12:03 pm said:
    ” Doesn’t that mean that our “indigenous” peoples aren’t indigenous to North America?”
    As I understand the situation right now, the “out of Africa” theory of global human expansion was pretty solid for a while, then became somewhat more questioned and questionable, but is now leaning back to being the prime view of researchers.
    So, if that is true, then we are all African Americans, or African – X’s, or African Africans.

  23. If the beliefs about UFO’s that Snow on Pine has been presenting to us turn out to be true, then it is likely we will find ourselves in that very same position.

    –R2L

    That’s a reasonable idea, except if Snow on Pine is right, it’s already happened.

    Assuming that is the case, for whatever reason(s) ET hasn’t just blundered into our world, conquered us, and destroyed human culture and self-confidence.

    They are playing a different game.

    According to Jacques Vallée, one of the brightest minds on the UFO circuit, UFO intelligences, whatever they are and wherever they are from, are manipulating human development in subtle ways.

    And they’ve been doing it for thousands of years.

  24. “richf on October 13, 2025 at 7:18 pm said:
    Where is it written that Columbus couldn’t have done both good and bad things ?”

    In the many many text books that say white people are responsible for every evil for all time.

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