The Kirk assassination: were there accessories before the fact and/or accessories after the fact? [scroll down for UPDATE]
The question of whether Tyler Robinson may have had accomplices is being investigated, and for good reason:
The feds have widened their investigation into the assassination of Charlie Kirk to probe whether pro-trans, online groups and others connected with Tyler Robinson knew in advance about the plan to kill the MAGA influencer, The Post has learned.
Law enforcement sources said that investigators are examining leftist groups both in Utah and online to figure out if they helped him with the shooting — or at least heard it was going to happen.
The probe includes groups in online gaming community Steam, as well as a pro-trans organization called Armed Queers SLC, which took down their Instagram after Kirk was killed, the source confirmed.
The question seems to be whether this was actual knowledge of what was to happen, and if so was it actionable knowledge and even assistance. Or were the type of discussions that are being revealed more a form of sick jokes, repulsive snark, and/or random threats, versus real knowledge? I don’t have the answer, but I hope the answer will emerge.
For example, someone with the moniker “Omar” wrote on September 9: “Charlie kirk is coming to my college tomorrow i rlly hope someone evaporates him literally.” and then “Lets just say something big will happen tomorrow” with a grinning dog photo. Then after the assassination, “Omar” wrote: “CHARLIE KIRK GOT SHOT BRO I PROMISE I DIDNT HSVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT.”
Were these threats just trash talk, or something more?
In addition:
Another widely-shared archived post from a TikTok user appearing to be made a day before the shooting uses ominous music and a video of a person wearing glasses and what appears to be a medical scrubs cap accompanied by the disturbing text, “charles james kirk. mr. college dropout does NOT know what’s coming tomorrow. be ready… This isn’t a threat it’s a promise.”
The video was captioned “it’s a BADDD day to be charlie [tomorrow] #uvu #charliekirk #liberal #debate #fyp.”
And then there’s Robinson’s roommate (perhaps his trans lover) who received incriminating messages from Robinson:
When investigators contacted the roommate, he said Robinson “made a joke on Discord,” a social messaging app, which caused law enforcement to ask him to show them the messages, according to an arrest affidavit.
The messages from “Tyler” stated a “need to retrieve a rifle from a drop point, leaving the rifle in a bush, messages related to visually watching the area where a rifle was left and a message referring to having left the rifle wrapped in a towel,” the affidavit shows.
I haven’t read anything that gives much context to this; for example, what possible reason would there be to assume it was a joke, was it prior to the murder or after, was it to a group or to the roommate alone, what was the group, and what were the responses? If it was an attempt to get the roommate to actually retrieve the gun, it reminds me of the case of Charles Stuart in Boston, who got his brother Matthew to dispose of the gun thinking he was involved in an insurance scam when it actually was the murder of Charles Stuart’s wife. It was Matthew, by the way, who went to police and implicated Charles, and Matthew spent several years in prison for his own role.
And then there was Michael Fortier of the Oklahoma City bombing:
At state and federal bombing trials, Fortier testified he received stolen weapons that were sold to finance the bombing, shared money from their sale with McVeigh, handled blasting caps and other explosives and had the same anti-government literature that McVeigh gave Nichols.
Fortier also accompanied McVeigh on a trip where they cased the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building four months before it was bombed on April 19, 1995, killing 168 people and injuring more than 500 others.
Lori Fortier, who was granted immunity and never served prison time, also testified at McVeigh’s trial that she laminated a fake driver’s license for McVeigh with the name of one of the many aliases he used, Robert Kling. …
However, Aitan Goelman, a Washington attorney who served on the bombing prosecution team, said it is appropriate that Fortier is being freed.
“He has paid his debt to society,” Goelman said. “Knowing about a horrible crime and doing nothing to prevent it is on one side, and on the other side of the scale is the tremendous assistance he provided to the government in order to prosecute the guys who actually did the bombing.”
Fortier pled guilty to a lesser charge, gave the state important testimony, and his wife got off. He (or they?) have apparently been given new identity (identities?) and are in the witness protection program.
The investigation into the Kirk assassination and the involvement of others is still in its infancy. But even if the FBI determines there was no meaningful or actionable involvement, the conspiracy theories will never die – and it’s easy to see why.
UPDATE 6:15 PM:
Robinson appears to have confessed to his buddies on Discord, but very shortly before he turned himself in. Makes me wonder if he’ll plead guilty:
Tyler Robinson apparently confessed to killing conservative icon Charlie Kirk in an online message to nearly three dozen people the day after the assassination.
“Hey guys, I have bad news for you all,” reads a chat message purportedly sent by Robinson, 22, through online community Discord, according to the Washington Post.
“It was me at UVU yesterday. i’m sorry for all of this,” Robinson allegedly wrote.
“Im surrendering through a sheriff friend in a few moments. thanks for all the good times and laughs, you’ve all been so amazing, thank you all for everything.”
I don’t think this goes to the issue of whether they have any legal liability, if it truly happened right before he turned himself in. But the tone is fascinating, and shows either what a psychopath can do or how some people can compartmentalize their personalities.
I haven’t read anything that gives much context to this; for example, what possible reason would there be to assume it was a joke…
I have seen, and occasionally perpetrated, what you might call a “long form” joke in a comments section or a forum, where you pretend to be doing something and you’re giving updates on it. For example, there was one I remember from long, long ago, about a gentleman who claimed his testicles were trapped between the slats of a lawn chair and was asking for advice. It was a very long and hilarious thread, though somewhat immature.
It is possible that someone might have thought a series of messages about Charlie Kirk’s murder were intended as a black humor version of the same thing, but realized later it was completely serious.
As for the “predictions” I don’t know what to make of that yet. People like Charlie Kirk have a schedule that’s known in advance, and it’s really easy to pop off anonymously about something happening on a certain date that you don’t say what it is and appear to have foreknowledge–which I’m sure some folks are about to bitterly regret having done.
It would be interesting to know how many of Kirk’s other appearances, or how often someone else the Left hated who’d visit campuses like Charles Murray or Milo Yiannopolos, had the same sort of commentary about something bad happening on a date they were expected to appear somewhere, but nothing actually happened.
I hadn’t realized the extent to which Michael Fortier was a participant in the bombing.
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My guess is you’ll probably find a couple of people aside from Robinson who were legally culpable for this and that.
Fox is reporting Tyler made a one line confession on Discord before he was picked up.
The OKC bombing was, iirc, the high-water mark of the yelling about the “lone wolf” perpetrator; an individual acting alone after being encouraged by neo-nazi propaganda suggesting all manner of violence but not, actually, planning or participating in it.
Sauce for the goose…. At best.
To CYA.
(But will it work…?)
@ Niketas > “it’s really easy to pop off anonymously about something happening on a certain date that you don’t say what it is and appear to have foreknowledge–which I’m sure some folks are about to bitterly regret having done.
It would be interesting to know how many of Kirk’s other appearances, or how often someone else the Left hated who’d visit campuses like Charles Murray or Milo Yiannopolos, had the same sort of commentary about something bad happening on a date they were expected to appear somewhere, but nothing actually happened.”
The scattering of predictions and then only publicizing the ones that “worked” is the mainstay of most “psychics” and fortune-tellers.
And not a few pundits and politicians.
However, regardless of whether the online groups/individuals were just popping off, or seriously complicit, whatever the authorities discover should be made public as soon as feasible (with redactions if a court case will be needed) in an attempt to forestall the continued conspiracy theories that will take even deeper root if there is just a dismissal of the investigation without disclosing all the evidence for doing so.
Interesting that you mention Milo, who has pretty much disappeared from the venues I read after his popularity crashed and burned back in the Trump 45 era.
I saw his name connected to something about the Kirk investigation just a day or so ago, but don’t recall the source.
My concern is whether any Deep State people, in the FBI or elsewhere, will be able to cover up any possible ties to Antifa or other evildoers. I suppose, if there was a conspiracy, the low level patsies will take the fall, and the higher ups will escape justice.
Neo, why do you write that Robinson’s roommate, Lance Twiggs, was “perhaps his trans lover”? Utah governor Spencer Cox said “The roommate was a romantic partner, a male transitioning to female.”
https://www.kob.com/ap-top-news/utah-governor-says-the-motive-in-kirk-shooting-is-not-yet-certain-but-the-suspect-was-on-the-left/
it was part of the deplatforming of unorthodox speakers, in the years before 2020, in part because he represented a viable community that Trump appealed to, they rather effectively purged him, so then you have this cohort of deeply malajusted people,
@AesopFan:Interesting that you mention Milo who has pretty much disappeared from the venues I read
I only mentioned him because I don’t know who goes to talk at campuses these days; I know Milo used to do that, but I don’t think he was ever in it for anything but grift, and I tuned him out long before he dropped away.
@Selfy:Neo, why do you write that Robinson’s roommate, Lance Twiggs, was “perhaps his trans lover”?
I think this is wisdom on her part because what we’re told seems to change several times a day, and it’s not as though authorities are infallible, or their words always reported correctly, or paraphrased by bloggers and commenters correctly.
I always keep in mind the Washington D. C. snipers, who we were told was a white loner for weeks, and Richard Jewell who was wrongly linked in the press with the Centennial Olympic Park bombings. And do you know what the result of those lawsuits was?
Not the media’s fault, oh no: they put the narrative on page one and the caveats on page A57, that’s all, and if we take away the wrong idea shame on us.
Selfy:
“Perhaps” as in “alleged.”
Further investigation by the “Feds” which I assume means basically the FBI will be conducting these “investigations.”.
That gives me no confidence whatsoever.
The Washington DC “Pipe Bomber” has not been found.
@ John Galt III – the Pipe Bomber has not been revealed to the public, which is slightly different from not been found.
OTOH, the pipe bomber may never have been lost IYKWIM.
I think it was Andy Ngo that advanced, or at least reported, the theory that Robinson could have been motivated by a desire to be more appealing to his roommate/possible romantic partner.
I’ve also started wondering about the meaning of the Discord ‘confession’ in a couple of specific directions. The wording to me sounds like he is formulating statements that deliberately imply the recipients had no prior knowledge of his actions, which could be read as a tell that they actually did. Why would he say “It was me at UVU” rather than “I was at UVU”. You could make a case that he might be using passive phrasing to disassociate from the event, however. I also have to wonder if his roommate and friends might have discovered Robinson’s familiarity with firearms and then encouraged him in executing the plan to murder Kirk. You could also read his confession as a somewhat heroic “I’m not going to snitch so don’t cooperate, too” which it appears his roommate immediately ignored.
The brave and indefatigable reporter on the far Left, Andy Ngo, explains Tyler Robinson’s lover is definitely trans.
“Charlie Kirk Assassin Suspect’s Alleged Lover Is Confirmed to Be Trans” https://www.ngocomment.com/p/unmasking-luna-charlie-kirk-assassin
This is a sad read, and I feel sympathy. Both young men outcasts because of religion (the LDS believe in family reunification in Heaven), who would have made a viable adaptation to just be gay men, had not the insidious far Left ambitions taken over. And if, perhaps, the gynocracy disparaged and undermined alternative masculinity for both of them.
@ TJ – To clarify the position of the LDS church, same sex attraction does not cause people to be outcasts from the Church (individual reactions are individual choices) and is not a determinant of family unification; there are other conditions that affect that.
Here are the official church positions and policies.
For comparison, my heterosexual bachelor son is also asked to remain chaste in his relationships with his female friends.
https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/official-statement/same-gender-attraction
The FBI is focusing on some 20 people connected to the to Tyler Robinson through online communities. What follows gets wild and wooly.
Monday night, in particular, something has come to explosive attention, and that is the leader of Armed Queers of Salt Lake City, Ermiya Fanaeian — a trans Palestinian. Armed Queers of SLC is self-declared as a Marxist-Leninist revolutionary organization, with a militant hatred of oppressors in the SJW-type Identity Politics model.
Here’s where the Biden can of slush fund spending gets opened up, and his (and Obama’s?) Administration advancing radical agendas explodes into view. This leads to questions such as “was USAID funding involved? Through NGOs or not? Or just through the US State Department?”
Ermiya Fanaeian was recognized by a State Department affiliated NGO, Utah Global Diplomacy, as a recipient of the “7 for 17” Award for advancing the UN’s 17 Goals. She “is a Trans liberation and Feminist political organizer whose work has included organizing around the abortion struggle and creating research studying the conditions of gender oppressed people at the hands of state institutions.” https://www.instagram.com/p/ChsPs5vOntG/
Per the 990 form with Utah Global Diplomacy (EIN 876128308), the nonprofit is a partner with the US State Department to cultivate emerging leaders and diplomacy initiatives.
In other words, Ermiya Fanaeian was selected to “help shape U.S. Foreign relations.” Their words, not mine. Utah Global Diplomacy reports receiving most of its income in government grants.
SLC Armed Queers is not “adjacent” to the honor that Ermiya Fanaeian got from Utah Global Diplomacy. It was directly involved. Utah Global Diplomacy specifically awarded her for her work with trans people, and SLC Armed Queers is the key organization. Which leads us back to probable Charlie Kirk killer Tyler Robinson who was active in this group.
Fanaeian leads the organization called “Armed Queers Salt Lake City” (AQSLC), a group that combines armed self-defense with LGBT activism and communist militancy, with the goal of “promoting a broader struggle against capitalism and state violence,” according to a publication by the organization.”
https://derechadiario.com.ar/us/argentina/transsexual-palestinian-immigrant-leads-lgbt-terrorist-group-utah-usa
They are not isolated but part of the Obama led fundamental change of America mission. Online poster “I finnegan” has called the far Left Democrat Party really the Rainbow-flag Cartel Party and they ruled and spread radical roots after the 2020 steal. They do not believe the US is a legitimate country.
If my account seems too convoluted to grasp, try reading the article at the LINK. It’s more linear and adds radical communist details.
HT/DataRepublican on X.com
https://x.com/DataRepublican/status/1967758989791465856
I hope my last post puts some meat on the bones of FBI Deputy Assistant Dan Bongino’s statement, Monday evening:
“FBI Deputy Director Dan Bongino told Newsmax on Monday that investigators have uncovered “significant developments” suggesting a broader network of people might have been involved in the assassination of conservative icon Charlie Kirk.”
https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/dan-bongino-fbi-probe/2025/09/15/id/1226515/
I expect federal indictments for misprision of felony for some of these trans people.
Andy McCarthy was on Fox and Friends recently and said it won’t happen.
misprision — the deliberate concealment of one’s knowledge of a treasonable act or a felony.
Learned a new word today!
Thanks, Cornhead.
@ TJ – Newsmax:
I’m torn between knowing where the FBI got their information (NOT out of a campaign-funded fairy-tale dossier!), but also upset that people are getting cautioned to keep their conspiracies off of social media platforms and communication systems.
On the other hand, that word of advice has been known for quite some time and they still do it, including “sophisticated elites” who run their conspiracies on their email accounts.
Such as those connected to a campaign-funded fairy-tale dossier
Bonus: Bongino is on fire about shutting down the violent crime in most major cities, including those which rejected Federal help in cracking down on the criminals – they are going to get it anyway.
(paraphrase) “Why do they want to be a safe harbor for violent crime?”
The plan is to to make lists from outstanding warrants, “baseball card them,” and bring them in.
@AesopFan:I’m torn between knowing where the FBI got their information (NOT out of a campaign-funded fairy-tale dossier!), but also upset that people are getting cautioned to keep their conspiracies off of social media platforms and communication systems.
There’s not much to say about this, if the government has a valid reason these platforms will turn over whatever information they have. And sometimes if there’s not a valid reason, I assume. Welcome to the Panopticon State, we’ll be here for some time.
There’s platforms hosted in another country and encrypted end-to-end, but that just adds a a couple of extra steps really. Probably not much good if they want to go after you personally.
Andy McCarthy was on Fox and Friends recently and said it won’t happen.
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