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Last week we talked oil refineries and the value of being able to strike sensitive economic targets. Today, we talk about the means to try and do that – and Ukraine’s efforts to develop hard hitting long range weapons that might let it reach deeper into the Russian interior.
The most recent system in that category to get media attention is the so called “Flamingo” cruise missile and today, by popular vote, I want to talk about it for three main reasons:
To look at the missile, why Ukraine wants it and what it could mean for the war if produced in quantity
To ask why a number of nations around the world are now pursuing or expanding their Ground Launched Cruise Missile Arsenals, in some cases despite previously banning or never possessing them
To discuss an example of what it takes to design and produce a system under austere wartime conditions, and what the Flamingo experience might signal for other nations watching the Ukrainian experience that might be concerned about increasing their own military preparedness.
…
imestamps:
00:00:00 — Opening Words
00:01:30 — What Am I Talking About?
00:01:52 — Ukraine’s Requirements
00:10:13 — Enter Flamingo
00:27:06 — Usage and Value
00:33:59 — is the GLCM Making a Comeback?
00:41:09 — NATO Programs
00:48:46 — Risk and Competition
00:55:18 — Channel Update
In a comment here a couple of days ago, discussing the Muslim takeover of Europe and specifically the UK, I remarked that I was surprised that the Templar idea, and Templar images hadn’t emerged.
Well, here is a call for them from a U.S. commentator.*
Gay dude takes up sewing and tailoring in order to look like a character in a BBC production of Middlemarch. The clothes he fancies are unattractive. The pettern on his collar is apposite for powder room wallpaper.
that you aren’t getting from the corporate press, and ngo’s part of the syzgy, I’ve referenced earlier,
@Snow on Pine:Templar
You might know, or not, that the Sovereign Military Hospitaller Order of Saint John of Jerusalem, of Rhodes and of Malta is still around. It is the only sovereign entity without any territory and has diplomatic relations with 114 states. Focuses on humanitarian work these days, but they do have a small military corps.
Other military orders survive but are not sovereign. The Equestrian Order of the Holy Sepulchre of Jerusalem has a primarily religious mission, and the Teutonic Knights are purely religious in function since 1928.
@miguel cervantes:the templars became the masons right,
No, not without a time machine to skip them ahead 400 years or so. Freemasonry’s history before 1700 is almost entirely imaginary. There may be some continuity with sixteenth- and seventeenth-century organizations of actual working masons.
for the people who thought politico was too balanced,
Sdferr, what does the rule book say about keeping home run balls? Was the Philly Karen correct to demand the ball or was the dad correct to keep the ball. In any case, the dad’s behaviour was very classy and rightfully rewarded.
Art Deco @10:04,
I think it’s great he is doing what he is doing. Individual expression through clothing is something free people can and should embrace.
Would you prefer the conformity of the Chairman Mao suit and hat? Maybe Taliban vice and virtue police caning women whose hemlines are too high?
I wish there were more people dressing like him in public than the masses who tend to go out barely dressed, showing a lot of skin and/or wearing clothing with offensive and inappropriate words and slogans.
Some religious people wear centuries, even millennial old fashions when in public and I’m a fan. Why can’t the laity do the same?
One of the Little Fireflies went through a phase where she wanted to wear a tutu during all waking hours. Mrs. Firefly and I fought it for a week, or so, but then we thought about it… Why not? She’s not in school yet. She’ll soon be wearing a school uniform and then whatever uniforms her career and/or society imposes on her for the rest of her life. So why not let her wear tutus if that’s what she wants.
So, Mrs. Firefly found several different color tutus discounted at a department store. The phase lasted about a year and I’m still glad we went with it.
Niketas,
Swiss Guard?
Knights of Columbus?
@Rufus T. Firefly:showing a lot of skin and/or wearing clothing with offensive and inappropriate words and slogans
Yeah, the “individualism” on display nowadays is mostly fake and conformist and usually some kind of marketing. And I am really tired of tattoos. I’d like to see some Taliban-style caning for visible tattoos.
Another example of substandard language at 30-31 seconds into the video, “more happy” (substandard) instead of “happier” (correct). First “more clear”, now “more happy”. Where does the bottom lie?
@Rufus T. Firefly:Swiss Guard? Knights of Columbus?
Neither are military religious orders dating to the Crusades, so no. The Swiss Guard are just military, like the Coldstream Guards. The Knights of Columbus are a fraternal organization, like the Elks, dating to 1882.
The three orders I mentioned were literally Crusaders, literally founded during the Crusades in the Holy Land.
Art Deco @ 10:10,
Agree with the ’20s, but I’m more a fan of the ’30s and ’40s. I even appreciate the occasional Zoot Suit.
It’s odd to me that so many modern people don’t think of choosing clothes that look good on their figure. Just because a fashion is “in fashion” doesn’t mean it’s a fashion fit for one’s physique. I don’t look good in “skinny jeans,” and their equivalent skinny cut khakis and pants. I think few people do, and no men over 35 do, but to each his own.
To me your reference to 1920s clothing styles is at odds with your chastisement of the young man in the video. A great thing about modern life is clothes, even well made clothes, are affordable and abundant and we have a long history of styles, cuts and materials to choose from. If 1920s fashion suits you; have at! The young man in the video feels good in 1720s fashion.
When “Hamilton” became popular I was hoping men’s jackets along the late 1800s style would make a comeback, as they did with the Mods in London in the ’60s. But, alas, no such luck.
It’s worth much as a good example of what I’m talking about, that the history of the Freemasons is largely imaginary before 1700. Ramsey was a bit of a nut, and what purports to be historical in his oration of 1737 is his own invention, as far as anyone can tell.
Note that he claims the Knights of St John, and not the Templars. The Knights of St John, as I pointed out above, are still around.
Xylorgous,
Typical protocol with any baseball that goes into the stands is whomever can hold onto it gets it. It’s common for it to hit within inches of someone, even off a person’s body or hands, and ricochet to someone else who grasps it and keeps it.
And that is universally observed.
I’ve never seen anyone who did not physically hold the ball stable in his or her hand take offense when someone else ultimately got the ball.
And stadiums are often not full. (This is especially common at home games of my hapless White Sox.) You’ll sometimes see a ball land and bounce and roll in a section where there are no spectators and dozens of fans will sprint towards the location. Whomever gets there first and grasps the ball gets to keep it, even if they were much further away when it landed but out run someone closer.
AND NO ADULT SHOULD EVER TAKE A BALL FROM A KID!!
Perhaps the Young Generation will initiate Taliban-style caning of anyone not having visible tattoos?
“. . . the rule book . . .”
Heh, that’s both a difficult and hilariously amusing question, O Joiner, Xylourgos!
Difficult, because we’ve many choices from which to begin: whether of place (it’s Philly! as opposed to, say [picking somewhat at random], GlobeLife Field, Wrigley Stadium, Truist Park, Fenway, or Camden Yards); or of time (in 1995 no-one had heard of a Karen, though possibly the phenomenon itself was already aborning, in 1955 not so many really gave a fig against dignity for homer balls — or fouls for that matter); or of rule book even especially (so are we to choose from Torah, Nikomachean Ethics, the Four Gospels, The Prince [Cyropaedia?], Locke’s Two Treatises, L’Histoire de Juliette ou les Prospérités du vice, Also Sprach Zarathusthra, etc.?).
Just for my part, however: first, no, the nasty woman had no right of demand. Second, the scampering dad was ridiculous to invest so much effort to grab the ball in the first place, though once he’d done so (for his kid I take it) he should never have yielded it up and in proper Philly style given her either a ferocious bellow or a pop to the chin (pick ’em) in return to her misplace.
And seeing now Rufus’ reply, I wholly concur therein.
Although even some Chicagoan’s get the name of the Bears home field wrong and call it, “Soldier’s Field…” (It’s not. It’s “Soldier Field.”)
… I have never heard anyone, anywhere say, “Wrigley Stadium.” The friendly confines, the north side stadium at the Addison El stop, the ballpark with the ivy covered outfield wall is, “Wrigley Field.”
3I/Atlas
It will be interesting to see what 3I/Atlas actually turns out to be.
In terms of our ability to get a clear image of it, it’s early days yet, and, so far—from what we have been told and seen–it’s just a streak, or a blur.
But, based on a number of it’s characteristics–it’s unusual trajectory–on the same orbital plane as the planets in our Solar System (a one in five hundred chances occurance), it’s apparent lack of the usual tail pointed away from the sun, it’s very high brightness, the chemicals it is giving off, and other characteristics–Harvard’s Dr.Avi Loeb increasingly seems to think that there is a good chance that 3I/Atlas is some sort of alien technology.
Soon 3I/Atlas will be passing close to Mars, where—if the government retasks a satellite we already have in orbit around Mars to focus it’s cameras on 3I/Atlas–we can likely get a much clearer image of of this object.
Somewhat suspiciously, its trajectory will place 3I/Atlas on the opposite side of the Sun from Earth, so we won’t be able to observe it for some period of time.
If we find evidence that 3I/Atlas alters it’s trajectory, or, say, slows down, that would be an obvious sign that it’s not just a rock that, by chance, is just passing through our Solar System.
Alan Dershowitz Offers to Sue Rosie O’Donnell for Smearing Trump as ‘Serial Pedophile Rapist’
[Dershowitz] made this offer: “I hope she is sued, and I volunteer pro bono to help out anybody who wants to sue Rosie O’Donnell on behalf of the president.”
[…]
If Dershowitz does find someone with standing to sue on Trump’s behalf, the fake media will write story after story using unnamed “legal experts” to say the lawsuit is “baseless,” but I’ll bet Dershowitz wins — just like Trump did against CBS News and ABC News.
Moreover Rufus, stupid me!, for, checking the boxscore I now see the game was in Miami, not Philly!, just Phillies fans were involved. Serves me right for not delving deeper than the mere images on X!
odd one has to teach
a so called journalist about a given institution
I like this Young Man’s attitude. And I like his clothes. Some here in the comments really need to get a life.
MLB says ball in the stands is abandoned property and owned by the first person to gain possession. Joint possession to be resolved by the parties. No kindergarten that’s-not-fair BS allowed.
The British do love and encourage their eccentrics.
“Somewhat suspiciously?” The Sun is huge and Earth is tiny and rotates. Most everything we see in the heavens is obscured by the Sun at some time or another.
sdferr,
You can take the fan out of Philly, but you can’t take the Philly out of the fan.
His style seems to be early 19th century. Interestingly there was a youth subculture in England in the mid 20th century called “Teddy Boy” which adopted Edwardian Fashion (early 20th centrury).
Would you prefer the conformity of the Chairman Mao suit and hat?
==
I’d prefer he had better taste.
== To me your reference to 1920s clothing styles is at odds with your chastisement of the young man in the video.
==
My mother went on a decorating spree in 1978-79 and had the bathrooms and powder room in her house re-papered. The pattern on that vest of his is quite proximate to the paper she selected for the girls’ bathroom. A middle-aged woman’s ugly floral-print wallpaper was not something you’d have seen on my grandfathers’ arms and neck. Clothing is like poetry written in Alexandrines. You work within limits.
youth recover the old ways and manners,
Re: the video.
I think it’s much better to have Zack Pinsent dress as he does as opposed to seeing other “weird” dressers all decked out in, say, Goth outfits; you know, the spiked hair crowd.
Zack’s outfits are certainly handsome and well done.
And Zack has even made a business doing this; good on him.
I think the difference betwixt Zack and other, say, out of the norm dressers, is that the latter is telling the world to F off and drop dead, whereas Zack appears to enjoy and show off his outfits.
Good thing for Zach that he is very beautiful. It all comes together quite nicely.
Good on ya’ Zack!
Not my thing…but it works for him & he makes an honest buck for what I am sure is a hard day’s labour.
The young man’s outfit looks like Regency era to me, roughly the Jane Austen era. He’s wearing trousers, for one thing, not knee breeches. The high neckcloth is also typical of this period.
Since this is a thread about … clothing,
and RTF has also kindly mentioned the “standardized” or “collectivist” Chinese Mao suit, to which me might add the forms of dress exhibited by Iranian mullahs, and various middle eastern potentates;
I still find it interesting that when the CCP big wigs meet, they are uniformly (!!) wearing the conventional Western suit and tie combination. Often the same can be said for Japanese, Korean (even Dictator Kim), and Turks and other middle eastern “important people”.
You hate our system of laws and culture and governance, but you adopt our general style of clothing??!! Sure sounds like “winning!!!” to me.
Although, when it comes to the “patriarchy”, the ladies still have more clothing options and freedom than the manly styles.
Gay dude takes up sewing and tailoring in order to look like a character in a BBC production of Middlemarch. The clothes he fancies are unattractive. The pettern on his collar is apposite for powder room wallpaper.
Pope Deco speaks!
With the usual results.
Nice catch sdferr! The question was meant to be amusing. Mrs. X and I had differing opinions so I was interested to see what the “expert” thought. Nice plays by Rufus and Chases also.
Fellow reminds me of the Beau Brummell look during the sixties.
Lately, with my thinning hair and the New Mexico sun, I’ve taken to wearing a raffia Panama hat. Raffia is a great material the way it is soft and springs back from being crushed.
It’s a bit daring for me. I call it my William Carlos Williams hat after WCW’s look on the cover of his “Selected Poems.”
Wearing clothes one enjoys and others might is a perfectly innocent human pleasure.
I always loved the duels between Bertie Wooster and Jeeves over proper gentlemen’s attire. Of course, Jeeves always won.
I think it’s much better to have Zack Pinsent dress as he does as opposed to seeing other “weird” dressers all decked out in, say, Goth outfits; you know, the spiked hair crowd.
==
Fair enough.
==
The trouble you see today is general slatternliness (compounded by the strange affection for tattoos).
Our family had two favorite outings each year: the Houston Renaissance Festival in the summer, and Galveston’s Christmas holiday “Dickens on the Strand.”
The Strand was the main city street, which still had many of its earliest buildings, despite the Great Hurricane disaster of 1900 that leveled much of the town.
Both activities were “period clothing optional” events, but dressing up was part of the fun, and we made many costumes over the years to suit the two historical eras. It helped that we had experience making theatrical costumes, some of which could be repurposed.
The somewhat natural result (natural for our family anyway) was that one son and his bride chose a Renaissance theme for their wedding and we all wore suitable clothing (including Grandpa in puffy pants and tights); another went for the Victorian period.
The marriage outfits for the later weddings were boringly normal (but the brides were still beautiful).
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Open Thread – Russia’s war on Ukraine, new weapon
Ground Launched Cruise Missiles & Ukraine’s “Flamingo” – The new missile & global return of GLCMs – Perun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmQXxPANGaM
In a comment here a couple of days ago, discussing the Muslim takeover of Europe and specifically the UK, I remarked that I was surprised that the Templar idea, and Templar images hadn’t emerged.
Well, here is a call for them from a U.S. commentator.*
* See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edcsaS9Z0uM
Gay dude takes up sewing and tailoring in order to look like a character in a BBC production of Middlemarch. The clothes he fancies are unattractive. The pettern on his collar is apposite for powder room wallpaper.
Presentable retro:
==
https://es.pinterest.com/pin/101260691603022191/
the templars became the masons right,
the rest of the story,
https://x.com/DataRepublican/status/1964806557306372217
that you aren’t getting from the corporate press, and ngo’s part of the syzgy, I’ve referenced earlier,
@Snow on Pine:Templar
You might know, or not, that the Sovereign Military Hospitaller Order of Saint John of Jerusalem, of Rhodes and of Malta is still around. It is the only sovereign entity without any territory and has diplomatic relations with 114 states. Focuses on humanitarian work these days, but they do have a small military corps.
Other military orders survive but are not sovereign. The Equestrian Order of the Holy Sepulchre of Jerusalem has a primarily religious mission, and the Teutonic Knights are purely religious in function since 1928.
@miguel cervantes:the templars became the masons right,
No, not without a time machine to skip them ahead 400 years or so. Freemasonry’s history before 1700 is almost entirely imaginary. There may be some continuity with sixteenth- and seventeenth-century organizations of actual working masons.
well thats one angle,
https://x.com/BreannaMorello/status/1965011556288389391
for the people who thought politico was too balanced,
Sdferr, what does the rule book say about keeping home run balls? Was the Philly Karen correct to demand the ball or was the dad correct to keep the ball. In any case, the dad’s behaviour was very classy and rightfully rewarded.
Art Deco @10:04,
I think it’s great he is doing what he is doing. Individual expression through clothing is something free people can and should embrace.
Would you prefer the conformity of the Chairman Mao suit and hat? Maybe Taliban vice and virtue police caning women whose hemlines are too high?
I wish there were more people dressing like him in public than the masses who tend to go out barely dressed, showing a lot of skin and/or wearing clothing with offensive and inappropriate words and slogans.
Some religious people wear centuries, even millennial old fashions when in public and I’m a fan. Why can’t the laity do the same?
One of the Little Fireflies went through a phase where she wanted to wear a tutu during all waking hours. Mrs. Firefly and I fought it for a week, or so, but then we thought about it… Why not? She’s not in school yet. She’ll soon be wearing a school uniform and then whatever uniforms her career and/or society imposes on her for the rest of her life. So why not let her wear tutus if that’s what she wants.
So, Mrs. Firefly found several different color tutus discounted at a department store. The phase lasted about a year and I’m still glad we went with it.
Niketas,
Swiss Guard?
Knights of Columbus?
@Rufus T. Firefly:showing a lot of skin and/or wearing clothing with offensive and inappropriate words and slogans
Yeah, the “individualism” on display nowadays is mostly fake and conformist and usually some kind of marketing. And I am really tired of tattoos. I’d like to see some Taliban-style caning for visible tattoos.
Another example of substandard language at 30-31 seconds into the video, “more happy” (substandard) instead of “happier” (correct). First “more clear”, now “more happy”. Where does the bottom lie?
Didn’t bother with the rest of the video.
fwiw
https://www.freemasons-freemasonry.com/ramsay_biography_oration.html
@Rufus T. Firefly:Swiss Guard? Knights of Columbus?
Neither are military religious orders dating to the Crusades, so no. The Swiss Guard are just military, like the Coldstream Guards. The Knights of Columbus are a fraternal organization, like the Elks, dating to 1882.
The three orders I mentioned were literally Crusaders, literally founded during the Crusades in the Holy Land.
Art Deco @ 10:10,
Agree with the ’20s, but I’m more a fan of the ’30s and ’40s. I even appreciate the occasional Zoot Suit.
It’s odd to me that so many modern people don’t think of choosing clothes that look good on their figure. Just because a fashion is “in fashion” doesn’t mean it’s a fashion fit for one’s physique. I don’t look good in “skinny jeans,” and their equivalent skinny cut khakis and pants. I think few people do, and no men over 35 do, but to each his own.
To me your reference to 1920s clothing styles is at odds with your chastisement of the young man in the video. A great thing about modern life is clothes, even well made clothes, are affordable and abundant and we have a long history of styles, cuts and materials to choose from. If 1920s fashion suits you; have at! The young man in the video feels good in 1720s fashion.
When “Hamilton” became popular I was hoping men’s jackets along the late 1800s style would make a comeback, as they did with the Mods in London in the ’60s. But, alas, no such luck.
the rest of the story
https://x.com/RichardGrenell/status/1965010310160384074
@miguel cervantes:fwiw
It’s worth much as a good example of what I’m talking about, that the history of the Freemasons is largely imaginary before 1700. Ramsey was a bit of a nut, and what purports to be historical in his oration of 1737 is his own invention, as far as anyone can tell.
Note that he claims the Knights of St John, and not the Templars. The Knights of St John, as I pointed out above, are still around.
Xylorgous,
Typical protocol with any baseball that goes into the stands is whomever can hold onto it gets it. It’s common for it to hit within inches of someone, even off a person’s body or hands, and ricochet to someone else who grasps it and keeps it.
And that is universally observed.
I’ve never seen anyone who did not physically hold the ball stable in his or her hand take offense when someone else ultimately got the ball.
And stadiums are often not full. (This is especially common at home games of my hapless White Sox.) You’ll sometimes see a ball land and bounce and roll in a section where there are no spectators and dozens of fans will sprint towards the location. Whomever gets there first and grasps the ball gets to keep it, even if they were much further away when it landed but out run someone closer.
AND NO ADULT SHOULD EVER TAKE A BALL FROM A KID!!
Perhaps the Young Generation will initiate Taliban-style caning of anyone not having visible tattoos?
“. . . the rule book . . .”
Heh, that’s both a difficult and hilariously amusing question, O Joiner, Xylourgos!
Difficult, because we’ve many choices from which to begin: whether of place (it’s Philly! as opposed to, say [picking somewhat at random], GlobeLife Field, Wrigley Stadium, Truist Park, Fenway, or Camden Yards); or of time (in 1995 no-one had heard of a Karen, though possibly the phenomenon itself was already aborning, in 1955 not so many really gave a fig against dignity for homer balls — or fouls for that matter); or of rule book even especially (so are we to choose from Torah, Nikomachean Ethics, the Four Gospels, The Prince [Cyropaedia?], Locke’s Two Treatises, L’Histoire de Juliette ou les Prospérités du vice, Also Sprach Zarathusthra, etc.?).
Just for my part, however: first, no, the nasty woman had no right of demand. Second, the scampering dad was ridiculous to invest so much effort to grab the ball in the first place, though once he’d done so (for his kid I take it) he should never have yielded it up and in proper Philly style given her either a ferocious bellow or a pop to the chin (pick ’em) in return to her misplace.
And seeing now Rufus’ reply, I wholly concur therein.
its hardly sporting
https://dailycaller.com/2025/09/07/scott-jennings-says-true-leader-democrat-party-donald-trump/
finally
https://dailycaller.com/2025/09/08/supreme-court-grants-trump-admin-request-to-lift-restrictions-los-angeles-immigration-stops/
sdferr,
Although even some Chicagoan’s get the name of the Bears home field wrong and call it, “Soldier’s Field…” (It’s not. It’s “Soldier Field.”)
… I have never heard anyone, anywhere say, “Wrigley Stadium.” The friendly confines, the north side stadium at the Addison El stop, the ballpark with the ivy covered outfield wall is, “Wrigley Field.”
3I/Atlas
It will be interesting to see what 3I/Atlas actually turns out to be.
In terms of our ability to get a clear image of it, it’s early days yet, and, so far—from what we have been told and seen–it’s just a streak, or a blur.
But, based on a number of it’s characteristics–it’s unusual trajectory–on the same orbital plane as the planets in our Solar System (a one in five hundred chances occurance), it’s apparent lack of the usual tail pointed away from the sun, it’s very high brightness, the chemicals it is giving off, and other characteristics–Harvard’s Dr.Avi Loeb increasingly seems to think that there is a good chance that 3I/Atlas is some sort of alien technology.
Soon 3I/Atlas will be passing close to Mars, where—if the government retasks a satellite we already have in orbit around Mars to focus it’s cameras on 3I/Atlas–we can likely get a much clearer image of of this object.
Somewhat suspiciously, its trajectory will place 3I/Atlas on the opposite side of the Sun from Earth, so we won’t be able to observe it for some period of time.
If we find evidence that 3I/Atlas alters it’s trajectory, or, say, slows down, that would be an obvious sign that it’s not just a rock that, by chance, is just passing through our Solar System.
Alan Dershowitz Offers to Sue Rosie O’Donnell for Smearing Trump as ‘Serial Pedophile Rapist’
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2025/09/08/nolte-alan-dershowitz-offers-to-sue-rosie-odonnell-for-smearing-trump-as-serial-pedophile-rapist/
========
I think “Chicagoan” Barack Obama called the White Sox ballpark “Cominsky Field.”
Moreover Rufus, stupid me!, for, checking the boxscore I now see the game was in Miami, not Philly!, just Phillies fans were involved. Serves me right for not delving deeper than the mere images on X!
this was the right link earlier,
https://dailycaller.com/2025/09/07/watch-scott-bessent-educates-nbc-host-how-fed-sets-interest-rates/
odd one has to teach
a so called journalist about a given institution
I like this Young Man’s attitude. And I like his clothes. Some here in the comments really need to get a life.
MLB says ball in the stands is abandoned property and owned by the first person to gain possession. Joint possession to be resolved by the parties. No kindergarten that’s-not-fair BS allowed.
The British do love and encourage their eccentrics.
ah memories
https://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/2025/09/08/where-were-you-the-day-hezbollah-blew-up-n4943440
Snow on Pine,
“Somewhat suspiciously?” The Sun is huge and Earth is tiny and rotates. Most everything we see in the heavens is obscured by the Sun at some time or another.
sdferr,
You can take the fan out of Philly, but you can’t take the Philly out of the fan.
His style seems to be early 19th century. Interestingly there was a youth subculture in England in the mid 20th century called “Teddy Boy” which adopted Edwardian Fashion (early 20th centrury).
Would you prefer the conformity of the Chairman Mao suit and hat?
==
I’d prefer he had better taste.
==
To me your reference to 1920s clothing styles is at odds with your chastisement of the young man in the video.
==
My mother went on a decorating spree in 1978-79 and had the bathrooms and powder room in her house re-papered. The pattern on that vest of his is quite proximate to the paper she selected for the girls’ bathroom. A middle-aged woman’s ugly floral-print wallpaper was not something you’d have seen on my grandfathers’ arms and neck. Clothing is like poetry written in Alexandrines. You work within limits.
youth recover the old ways and manners,
Re: the video.
I think it’s much better to have Zack Pinsent dress as he does as opposed to seeing other “weird” dressers all decked out in, say, Goth outfits; you know, the spiked hair crowd.
Zack’s outfits are certainly handsome and well done.
And Zack has even made a business doing this; good on him.
I think the difference betwixt Zack and other, say, out of the norm dressers, is that the latter is telling the world to F off and drop dead, whereas Zack appears to enjoy and show off his outfits.
Good thing for Zach that he is very beautiful. It all comes together quite nicely.
Good on ya’ Zack!
Not my thing…but it works for him & he makes an honest buck for what I am sure is a hard day’s labour.
The young man’s outfit looks like Regency era to me, roughly the Jane Austen era. He’s wearing trousers, for one thing, not knee breeches. The high neckcloth is also typical of this period.
Since this is a thread about … clothing,
and RTF has also kindly mentioned the “standardized” or “collectivist” Chinese Mao suit, to which me might add the forms of dress exhibited by Iranian mullahs, and various middle eastern potentates;
I still find it interesting that when the CCP big wigs meet, they are uniformly (!!) wearing the conventional Western suit and tie combination. Often the same can be said for Japanese, Korean (even Dictator Kim), and Turks and other middle eastern “important people”.
You hate our system of laws and culture and governance, but you adopt our general style of clothing??!! Sure sounds like “winning!!!” to me.
Although, when it comes to the “patriarchy”, the ladies still have more clothing options and freedom than the manly styles.
Gay dude takes up sewing and tailoring in order to look like a character in a BBC production of Middlemarch. The clothes he fancies are unattractive. The pettern on his collar is apposite for powder room wallpaper.
Pope Deco speaks!
With the usual results.
Nice catch sdferr! The question was meant to be amusing. Mrs. X and I had differing opinions so I was interested to see what the “expert” thought. Nice plays by Rufus and Chases also.
Fellow reminds me of the Beau Brummell look during the sixties.
Lately, with my thinning hair and the New Mexico sun, I’ve taken to wearing a raffia Panama hat. Raffia is a great material the way it is soft and springs back from being crushed.
It’s a bit daring for me. I call it my William Carlos Williams hat after WCW’s look on the cover of his “Selected Poems.”
Wearing clothes one enjoys and others might is a perfectly innocent human pleasure.
I always loved the duels between Bertie Wooster and Jeeves over proper gentlemen’s attire. Of course, Jeeves always won.
I think it’s much better to have Zack Pinsent dress as he does as opposed to seeing other “weird” dressers all decked out in, say, Goth outfits; you know, the spiked hair crowd.
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The trouble you see today is general slatternliness (compounded by the strange affection for tattoos).
Our family had two favorite outings each year: the Houston Renaissance Festival in the summer, and Galveston’s Christmas holiday “Dickens on the Strand.”
The Strand was the main city street, which still had many of its earliest buildings, despite the Great Hurricane disaster of 1900 that leveled much of the town.
Both activities were “period clothing optional” events, but dressing up was part of the fun, and we made many costumes over the years to suit the two historical eras. It helped that we had experience making theatrical costumes, some of which could be repurposed.
The somewhat natural result (natural for our family anyway) was that one son and his bride chose a Renaissance theme for their wedding and we all wore suitable clothing (including Grandpa in puffy pants and tights); another went for the Victorian period.
The marriage outfits for the later weddings were boringly normal (but the brides were still beautiful).