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  1. It’s a good move by Carney if we suppose his Canada aims to be an Islamic state within his lifetime! Could work!

  2. Amit Segal: “Germany is calling for the immediate start of a process to recognise a Palestinian state.”
    https://x.com/AmitSegal/status/1950864449616617558

    The full comments from German Foreign Minister Johann Wadephul:

    “A negotiated two-state solution remains the only path that can offer people on both sides a life in peace, security, and dignity…

    For Germany, the recognition of a Palestinian state comes more at the end of that process. But such a process must begin now.”

  3. sdferr:

    That “process” has been going on for nearly 80 years, with a dramatic lack of success.

  4. Is September 2025 not ‘the near term?’ So Carney seems to be saying if Hamas will mouth pretty words, Canada will support them, despite Hamas having done none of the things that are supposedly prerequisites for Canadian support.

    I can’t help but notice despite all this support for Hamas to be recognized as a nation, the Republic of China (which is not currently shooting at its assumed ‘owner’ and has had a functioning, independent government for eighty-ish years in Taipei) is not.

    There are obvious analogies to be made, but with the exception of one (the People’s Republic of China is one of the most powerful nations on the planet, and Israel… isn’t,) they all lean towards Taiwan being more deserving of a seat at the UN than Palestine.

    Y’know, if you take the UN’s self-aggrandizing rhetoric seriously.

  5. Carney is a clever if malicious and extraordinarily dishonest rascal.

    Fortunately for him and his party they can continue to subvert Canada—Europe-style—while conveniently blaming Trump for its destruction.

    A gift from heaven…

  6. No i dont but they have proven to be an evil institution in so many ways their humoring of fidel the ayatollah chavez and minor weasels like gerry adams and the like a syndicate of satraps very few are democracies moynihan and kirkpatrick tried to put some sense to them but the institution is unreformable

    Carney is a corrupt bankster involved in the car wash scam that involved brazils lula among other parties

    Sir starmer we have addressed his deficiencies before
    (Waiting for the python character to pop up) same with macron who is sort of a parody of an officious twit croissant variety is this a virtue signal toward melenchons party that he blocked from the presidency

  7. Antisemitism has become a global set of events. It is evidence of the ongoing collapse of Western civilization.

  8. Fear of their growing Muslim populations may be a driving force here, besides historical illiteracy and general idiocy.

  9. What I said last night applies to France, UK and Canada as well:
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    My take is the NYT represents the globalist, World Economic Forum (WEF) class, which isn’t antisemitic, but sees Israel and the conservative US as the largest obstacles to its global domination.

    That’s why they are called globalists. They live by “the ends justify the means.”
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    It’s not about reason or justice. It’s about domination. Whatever they say about their policies is just self-righteous window dressing.

    Very much like whatever the communist leaders said during the Cold War. Or today’s Democrats ranting about Trump.

  10. Much like spectre it has to have a global reach the former head of the wef has proven expendable but the mission endures

    Who is the head of the snake in this arrangement is it turtle bay is it geneva is it some other local we dont know of

    Their targets are the holdouts like el salvador or hungary or argentina and now the united states to some degree

  11. Kate @ 126 just said what is my take. They’ve had unrelenting Muslim immigration into their countries, so now they must capitulate to those populations or face the violence those populations are capable of bringing. It’s a total sell-out.

  12. From Israel’s 2005 withdrawal until the October 7, 2023 invasion of Israel, Gaza has been a de facto state. Given all the resources that Hamas invested in conflict with Israel—missiles, 300+ miles of tunnels and more—it is apparent that the de facto Gaza state was more concerned with war against the state of Israel than with improving the lives of the inhabitants of Gaza.

    Macron stated that the two-state solution also meant that the Palestinian state would be demilitarized. I don’t think many Palestinians would agree with that.

  13. Fear of their growing Muslim populations may be a driving force here…

    And yet these countries and their leaders are ALLOWING and ENCOURAGING this indefensibly huge level of immigration (cf. the “border-protection” policies of the “Biden” administration) while discouraging any criticism of this policy—and even CRIMINALIZING sane criticism or factual commentary regarding it.

    Therefore, something far deeper—and more sinister—IS going on here…which shouldn’t be all that hard to figure out.

  14. Gazans should be encouraged to emirate to these three nations in large numbers. Financial incentive, transportation costs, whatever it takes.

  15. Barry, they have lost their religion and replaced it with anti-capitalist leftism. Muslims are “oppressed” in this view, something which is not factually correct, but nevertheless they accept the thesis. On the theory that all non-western cultures are better than the western ones, they neglect to, or refuse to, require assimilation to western standards of public behavior. It’s civilizational suicide. The Devil knows his work well, in my opinion.

  16. Garrett Crawford, I don’t want those Gazan barbarians on our northern border.

  17. Actually, my point—murkily made, as usual (!)—is that they are using such “fear” (of the situation THEY have INTENTIONALLY created, engineered and orchestrated) as AN EXCUSE to further erode and dismember the country and society they purportedly lead…and reduce it to abject subservience to a larger, overarching—ubiquitous—political tyranny.

    (Pure, unalloyed—unrivaled—cynicism…in the service of a “higher” goal.)

    Meanwhile, the only one standing in the way of this manipulative criminal chicanery—this national, even GLOBAL, and societal HIJACKING—is America, more specifically DJT’s, unyielding efforts to restore America to—to reimbue her WITH—the country’s original values and strengths.

    Which is why for the corrupt elites, Trump is GLOBAL ENEMY #1…whereas for those with open eyes, he is a selfless, heroic potential savior.

    OMMV.

  18. Only the ena grads (main training ground for bureaucrats) can believe such things but they have been gaga since degaulle who groveled to them after the algerian war sarkozy despite some flourishes followed the same pattern

    One kidded about ‘french fries’ but they had extensive economic ties to iraq as did the germans the latter ultimately didnt save them from being targets charlie hebdo and bataclan notably

    The al thanis and the sauds (cousins after a fashion) and general asisi think they can dictate terms to hamas (of course at least of these two parties soeak with forked tongue perhaps all three)

  19. Short version: The West’s global elites (and their “humanist” running-dog enthusiasts) are using Jean Raspail’s “Camp of the Saints” as an instruction manual…(instead of a warning).

  20. I agree with Kate and physicsguy- What we are seeing now is fear and capitulation to their growing Muslim population. It’s going to continue to get worse, and I dread what the end result is will be.

  21. Dan simmons described what it would look like in the short story he wrote in 2006, writ large

  22. Why have the World’s leaders decided to cooperate with Evil? Is it because they are cowards, and fear not giving in to Evil? Or, are they that poorly educated, that they actually believe that Moslems are oppressed, rather than the existential threat radical Islam poses to everyone and everything?

  23. I don’t understand why DJT keeps praising Starmer and Macron. Both are antithetical to his values and belief system.

    When Starmer was sitting next to him in Scotland, scolding Israel, why didn’t Trump turn to him and say “Hamas could release the hostages and end this. Why don’t you say that?”

    Instead he just keeps praising Starmer who is a fascist ass.

  24. I wonder if there isn’t perhaps a bit of a blessing in disguise with these promises to recognize the (or a) “Palestinian” entity as a state. Suppose, for example, that this entity were to include the West Bank, but not the Gaza Strip? That could be an interesting slash at the Gordian knot. After all, as I understand it, the West Bank bunch has been fairly quiet since 7 October.

  25. Don’t know if it’s Witkoff, personally, or if it’s official, Oval-Office “good-cop / bad-cop” policy.

    If true, this would seem to be more obvious with that other guy—Thomas Barack—who diesn’t seem to mind being a bit of a screwball…very problematic.

    OTOH, Trump has been trying to thread the needle vis-vis Syria and Lebanon. Not sure he’ll be able to do that successfully with these two “countries”, though.
    (Meanwhile, Turkey has become a dangerous basket case, most unfortunately….)

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