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The Founders and Islam: sound familiar? — 13 Comments

  1. See Jay Smith’s youtube channel, PfanderFilms, for evidence that Islam is a made up fraud. No divine revelation involved. Mohammad is a total fiction.

  2. I second David Foster’s recommendation of the novel Lydia Bailey. I read it about sixty years ago when I was a teen. I also recommend two other Kenneth Roberts novels, A Rabble in Arms, and Oliver Wiswell, for those who still have the time to read long novels. (I also liked his Arundel, and Northwest Passage, but they weren’t quite as good as Lydia, Rabble, or Oliver, in my memory.)

  3. This was despite the fact that the Founders must have known, for example, the history of the Crusades and later of the Gates of Vienna.

    In the late 18th century, the excesses of Christian majorities had scarcely had time to recede in memory, either, either in the New World or in the Old. People often do badly when faced with the temptation of overwhelming power combined with a perceived duty of orthodoxy that’s been elevated over all other duties of humility, kindness, or simple justice.

  4. Reading the Koran changed my life. Before I had thought Islam was just another religion, sort of Christianity in a turban.

    Afterward I realized it was an authoritarian, supremacist belief system that would always be at war with the rest of humanity.

    I recommend reading the Koran to all Westerners.

  5. When we went out to India, and then Egypt, I thought I’d be more comfortable with Muslims, because, I told myself, “at least they’re monotheists.” My experience was the reverse. We knew very nice people who were Hindus and Muslims, and members of both groups treated us well, but I found myself more comfortable with the mostly high-caste Hindus and Sikhs we knew than I did with Muslims in general. And I’ve done a great deal of reading about Islam since that time. Islamic ideology, taken seriously, is incompatible with modern life and with the American constitutional system. Hindu, Buddhist, Jewish, and a variety of agnostic/atheist groups and varieties of Christian and Christian-adjacent groups do not in general threaten their neighbors. Strict Islam does.

  6. Huxley, I had the same reaction after actually reading the Koran, and it changed my reaction regarding anyone that converts to Islam. I can, and will, view less suspiciously a Muslim born into the religion, because most people will always defer to and stick by the religion of their birth (and no offense intended to anyone, but I include Christianity in this assessment). But anyone who has actually researched Islam and then converts into it is always suspect in my estimation. I will never trust them.

  7. Kate, when I lived in Durban, SA (very large Indian community) I knew SA Indian Hindus and SA Indian Muslims. It was always the Hindus I was most comfortable around, and with whom had the most in common. Less judgmental and harsh in their approach to everyone, regardless of one’s religion, or even lack thereof.

    I also did two tours in Muslim-majority countries in West Africa, and one particular instance still makes me laugh. A local (Muslim) trainer was explaining cultural matters to us, and told us nearly everyone we will meet will claim to be Muslim, they really are still Animists just beneath the outer Muslim veneer. But not him, of course, oh no, he was a “real” Muslim.

  8. Telemachus, Egyptian Muslims are very superstitious. Scarabs and the Eye of Horus are frequently seen, to ward off evil spirits.

  9. G on June 21, 2025 at 12:04 pm said:
    “See Jay Smith’s youtube channel, PfanderFilms, for evidence that Islam is a made up fraud. No divine revelation involved. Mohammad is a total fiction.”
    I second your recommendation.

    Wendy K Laubach on June 21, 2025 at 1:34 pm: good point.
    Salem witch trials in 1692? Vienna rejection of Isamlic conquest in 1683. Not even ten years apart! Almost modern times for them in the 1780’s, … and almost the same for us vs. (say) 622AD.

    huxley on June 21, 2025 at 3:40 pm:
    “I recommend reading the Koran to all Westerners.”
    Plus there are Cliff Notes versions available from several authors, such as Bill Warner, Robert Spencer, et al.

  10. On Robert Spencer’s books about the Qur’an and Islam: We have an English-Arabic parallel Qur’an, brought to my husband by an Egyptian employee after he performed the hajj in Arabia. The book has footnotes to the hadith. I checked several references in Spencer’s books to this authoritative text (in English; I can’t read the Arabic). In all cases Spencer says what the Islamic tradition says. His analyses are trustworthy — and chilling.

  11. Islam is one of the great Christian heresies that Hilaire Belloc documents in his book, The Great Heresies.

  12. St. John of Damascus considered it a heresy. Analysis of the Qur’an indicates that some of it (the more poetic portions) comes from a Syriac prayer book. There are words which make no sense pointed in Arabic, but with Syriac points, make good sense.

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