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  1. I find I tend to believe most people like “socialism” – under whatever name – because it’s “somebody else’s fault” and “somebody else will take care of me”; call it a return to an ideal childhood. Liberty tells one “it’s my fault” and “nobody’s coming to rescue me”.

  2. In America today, there are very few people who don’t have enough “bread”…but the desire to sacrifice freedom for Something Else is very strong among a significant number of people.

    Sometimes, the Something Else is the feeling of unity with other people…circle dancing..and sometimes, it’s a search for a missing sense of meaning. There’s an interesting SF story by George RR Martin which, like Dostoyevski’s story features an inquisitor…not a Grand inquisitor, just an orginary workaday inquisitor. The whole thing is online here:

    https://www.lightspeedmagazine.com/fiction/the-way-of-cross-and-dragon/

  3. People, like business & most orgs & including kids, want Freedom.
    A) freedom to act, including acts which hurt others or cause problems, and
    B) freedom from responsibilities, or suffering in any way for the bad outcomes that resulted from their actions.
    (B2-freedom from pain, even freedom from want)

    Civilization requires norms that restrict the freedom to act that people want. The law enforces only some of the norms, and normal behavior might include regular breaking of the law, like speeding, to some small extent.

    Democracy fails without a well functioning market economy. S Korea, after their ‘52 war, had a pro-capitalism general as President/ dictator, as did Chile 20 years later with Pinochet, both of whom help create a functioning, prosperity creating market economy. Then some democracy.

    Some amount of bread is necessary, but even plenty is not sufficient.

    Bread is also similar to that always value contrary to Freedom—Security. The more other people have freedom, especially freedom from responsibility, the less security there is.

    Finally, while it’s possible for all in America to have as much material stuff, houses, cars, tvs, electronics as the current median, there will always be half the folk having less than the median at that time. Worse, status, which is another desired value, is zero sum so to get more, others have to get less. (As I’ve spent more time on substack with A Kling & links, I have less time here with the many fine folk & commenters). Attention & status are zero sum, and become more important as bread & food becomes more taken for granted, more secure.

    CYA, a prime goal of most experienced bureaucrats, is the very desired freedom from responsibility.

  4. And now after the ‘peaceful protests’ of 2019, they revamped the chilean constitution tp allow more ‘positive liberty’ and a former marxist? President boric not much is spoken of him
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/president-gabriel-boric-enters-last-211423626.html

    Maybe people are getting wise in a number of countries like colombia there seems to be some awareness time will tell

    Lawfare or its korean cognate seems to have led to the new president largely from people who dont seem to acknowledge the circumstances of the nation to the north

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