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  1. This has been the Democrats strength and now becoming their weakness. Note how for decades they always are in complete synchronization. Everyone uses the same talking points and even the same key words and phrases. It worked well for them, until Trump, by his bluster and direct attacks, showed how vacuous they are. Now they can’t think of a different approach. They are becoming objects of ridicule which they richly deserve. Grilled any burgers lately Chuck Schumer???

  2. Once objective reality is rejected, only the message of choosing “truth over facts” remains…

  3. Good luck projecting the “image” with no real program to offer behind it. Harris tried that last year, to the tune of over $1 billion. It failed.

  4. We are now 10 years into the Trump Era and Democrats still don’t or refuse to recognize it. And yes it is the Trump Era, he is easily the most important US politician since not only Obama but perhaps Reagan or even FDR.

    I have a long rant about my reaction and perceptions about this but I’ll try to distill it here: 1) A huge number of people, certainly his opponents and even many of his supporters get distracted by his brash, confrontational manner which is unusual or even unique for someone that high up in politics. But 2) his rise was based on ISSUES. Particularly his bedrock issues of trade and immigration which are both really economic issues and which continue to define his Presidency even into the second term.

    Trump won in 2016 by taking the positions on these issues that were held for decades by the *industrial* (not public employee!!!) labor unions that had been the backbone of the *Democrat* coalition for decades. They opposed illegal immigration because it was cheap labor bringing down American wages. And they were skeptical of so-called “free trade” because they saw too many good American jobs going abroad. In doing so he has disrupted both parties but especially the Democrats. “Imagology” has zip dot squat to do with it. Democrats still don’t know what hit them, Ruy Teixeira being the exception that proves the rule.

  5. @Philip Sells: Perhaps the Democrat proselytizers can use an AI to train up.

    Well, Chat is always eager to help. Here are its conclusions:
    ____________________________________

    What Would Be Required?

    * A team of data scientists + campaign strategists + anthropologists working together.

    * A willingness to hear hard truths: AI might confirm that some current messaging deeply alienates men, even if it polls well with base voters.

    * A commitment to listen without lecturing—not just repackaging the same message with a deeper voiceover.

    Guiding Principle: Speak With, Not At

    The phrase in the headline—“Speaking With American Men”—isn’t trivial. AI could help Dems learn how to enter conversations already happening, rather than issuing talking points from on high.

    That means:

    * Less moralizing, more respect.
    * Less ideology, more lived experience.
    * Less about who’s to blame, more about what’s possible.

    ____________________________________

    Wheww! For a minute I was worried that Democrats could use AI to talk to American men! 🙂

  6. The Dems disproportionately consist of people who believe what they read and think they can speak reality into being. These people are found on the Right too but they don’t make up the bulk of the org chart.

  7. Re: Dems talkin’ to country guys / “Stand with Hillary” (2016)

    Oh, hooray, hoorah, I found it again! I thought it had been scrubbed from the web forever with extreme prejudice.
    _________________________

    And now it’s 2016 and this time
    I’m a-thinkin’, guys,
    It’s time to put your boots on
    And smash this [glass] ceiling!

    — “STAND WITH HILLARY Music Video”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJJoJWY1VFM

    _________________________

    Guy in a cowboy hat, drivin’ tractors, playin’ guitar with friends in front of an American flag in the basement, havin’ home-cooked meals with family, and by god he’s voting for Hillary and you should too.

    Comedy gold.

    Yet it’s actually well-made and strangely appealing except it missed its audience by a country mile.

    I hope the actor/singer didn’t totally ruin his career. I kinda liked him.

  8. “Less moralizing, more respect.
    Less ideology, more lived experience.
    Less about who’s to blame, more about what’s possible.”

    As Huxley suggests, not gonna happen. I believe the main reason is the takeover of the Democrats by the hard left. Leftists never concede ideological error. To honestly confront the Trump phenomenon they don’t have to support him, but they do have to recognize they got certain things really wrong. And they simply won’t do that.

  9. @FOAF: As Huxley suggests, not gonna happen. I believe the main reason is the takeover of the Democrats by the hard left. Leftists never concede ideological error.

    You read me rightly.

    I wouldn’t wish to make broad claims about the left in general, but the New Left has consistently faced down Jim Crow, the Vietnam War, its Underground Years, then somehow emerged to put Obama in the White House.

    Stubbornness has mostly worked for the New Left. They won’t be compromising soon.

  10. You make good points, huxley. One might observe that stubbornness worked for many decades for the Soviets, until it didn’t. It would be nice if we are at that point with the American left. I am too chicken hearted to predict the future though:)

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