The left’s dubious heroes
The left chooses some nifty heroes, doesn’t it?:
In a sane world, the Left’s fanatical support for Kilmar Abrego Garcia—an alleged illegal immigrant, domestic abuser, and likely MS-13 gang member—would be shocking. But given their equally obsessive solidarity with degenerates like Hamas sympathizer Mahmoud Khalil; Jordan Neely, a deranged, drug-addicted man who boarded a New York City subway and issued death threats to passengers; and Luigi Mangione, the prime suspect in the December murder of UnitedHealthcare’s CEO—it’s exactly what we’ve come to expect.
The Left’s admiration for these individuals and their eagerness to elevate them as heroes reveals not only their ideological extremism but also the glaring hypocrisy between the values they claim to uphold and the radical positions they continually embrace.
Depends on the values, though. Among the left’s values are the following: that criminals are that way because they’re oppressed, and that illegal aliens are merely “undocumented” and are – yes, you guessed it – oppressed. The left’s entire value system has to do with power and who is the oppressed and who the oppressor, and championing these people conforms with that.
Same for the leftists who love Hamas.
Nor is this new – although it has gotten worse in recent years. But remember Che Guevara. There was also Jack Henry Abbott – whom you may have forgotten. You can read about him here if your memory needs refreshing.
Then there are all those women who fall in love with imprisoned murderers, even psychopaths who have murdered women. That’s less of a political thing, but I’d wager that most of those women are not on the right.
I wrote a piece on this phenomenon – linking it to Romanticism – back in February of 2007 for PJ Media. Wonder of wonders, it still exists, although in somewhat mangled form: Please see this. An excerpt:
The lengthier excerpt includes Berlin’s assertion that the Romantics glorified those perceived as downtrodden: the failures and the minorities. Romantics didn’t just express empathy or sympathy for them, but actually elevated them to a place more worthy and more noble than the successes and the majorities.
So, who are the Romantics of today? From the foregoing discussion, it should be clear: Romanticism has found a cozy home on the Left. Romanticism (and Leftism) dictates not just sympathy for the Third World, but near-veneration of those there who combine a sense of victimhood (real or imagined) with what the poet Yeats called “passionate intensity,” which is the essence of Romanticism.
Anger is part of that passionate intensity, and it’s often a dominant part.
> Romanticism has found a cozy home on the Left.
Yes. No.
Romanticism, in its (cognitive) desire to explain and accept the outliers, has found a cozy home on the Left (but lost the cognitive part).
Romanticism, in its (cognitive) desire to accept and explain the silently adopted norms, has found a home on the Right. (See “Romantic Nationalism”. See also “Apocalyptic Romanticism”. See also “The Inklings”. Etc., etc.)
Romanticism, by itself, is every direction of thought that’s not satisfied with the presumption that the man is a mechanism, and the perfect man is a perfect mechanism.
In other words, Romanticism is realism, and its opponent, Classicism, is (the absence of “the” is intentional here) helpless philosophy of watchmakers and social engineers trying to stay relevant.
Let’s not forget George Floyd, a career criminal and drug addict who overdosed while resisting arrest and was NOT murdered by Derek Chauvin. Also Ahmet Aubery, a low-IQ individual who committed petty thefts while posing as a jogger. When two men tried to perform a citizen’s arrest of him, he tried to take away the shotgun of one of them, resulting in his own death. I believe the two were given life sentences, as was a third man who merely recorded the event on his phone from a distance.
I’m a poet and a programmer. I see Romanticism as an important, even necessary, mode of being human. Sure, it can be taken to pathological extremes, as described above. But that’s far from the whole story.
I would say Romanticism has long had a cozy home in religion and art.
And still does.
It isn’t the left’s dubious heroes but those of democracy and the rule of law. Even the Nazis got the Nuremberg trials.
Trump is now declaring people bad and that is enough to throw them in a foreign jail. If they are bad have a trial and convict them. Just as the courts have done Trump.
Or is the view in Trumpland that the courts and the constitution are subverting the will of the people which is only properly expressed through the glorious leader? Sat surrounded by his tacky gold tat writing executive orders in the belief they are now the only part of government that matters.
You are giving your democracy and freedom away to a wannabe King with an ego the size of his arse.
The provos which have been romanticized for a generation vs the paras who are subject to sanction
the islamists that the current mayor of London represented as council those that victimized the residents of rochdale and rotherdam the ones like bel hadj who for a time terrorized egypt until the time of haktar those are who sheriff of holborn and pancras doesnt consider like the victims of stockport
London is only 40% english and since the blair era they have been methodically replacing the native population sad i have to remind you mr clayton
If you dont have a border you dont have a country this has been true for a long time
Now for the globalists that is the point ‘imagine there is no country’ but there is a steadfast majority that against that even if the Courts the Possum legislature et al are ignorant of that responsibility
The EU and The UN well we have seen their priorities are the kleptocrats in gaza among others not the citizens in their own countries certainly not the farmers
Recall that ridiculous open letter some months? back by grandees in the arts backing hamas, when if they would have their druthers their beneficiaries would behead them successors to the harold pinters and david hares of the past (ive found hare somewhat amusing in some of his works) charles dance to cite one example isnt acting when he portrays a villain, all the way back in the golden child if memory serves he was not a villain in jewel in the crown
Trump is now declaring people bad and that is enough to throw them in a foreign jail. If they are bad have a trial and convict them. Just as the courts have done Trump.
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They’re illegal aliens. They merit no more due process than you get in small claims court, where a 7.5 minute hearing is a long one. The implication of your complaint is that the Democratic Party gets to ignore the immigration laws and admit 12 million people for their vote farm and a serious government cannot arrest them and deport them.
We are ruled by villains who admire other villains.
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The left’s dubious heroes and just to cite two of them;
Don’t forget Uncle Joe Stalin. He had dozens, if not hundreds of Americans spying for him but only two were executed for spying for him.
Stalin killed anywhere from 20 Million to 50 Million USSR citizens, but hey, why should that bother those Americans spying for him and his murderous regime.
And let’s not forget all those Yanks demonstrating for Mao and showing off his Little Red Book. I think the death toll of his polices was north of 50 million.
Of course, 50 million dead folks is no big deal for leftists.
Ever notice that leftists who live in non-communist nations never decide to
re-locate, permanently , to a communist nation?
Ever wonder why all those govt. paid for NGO organizations don’t steer their “clients” to, say, Cuba or Venezuela or N.Korea; you know, to those “worker’s paradises.”
Leftists are truly evil people. They will do absolutely anything, if given the opportunity to, impose their worldview upon everybody. Nothing is out of bounds or excessive for leftists.
The political pilgrims as hollander called them from upton sinclair to bernie sanders from wells to jeremy corbyn
According to the Constitution (not to mention the Supreme Court’s 9-0 ruling), illegal aliens have as much right to due process as Donald Trump. It may take 8 minutes to judge that case, but the defendant has a right to that judgement. If there are millions who are willing to “cut down all the laws to get at the Devil” of illegal immigrants, there are millions who are willing to “cut down all laws to get at the Devil” of Donald Trump. If illegal immigrants are not safe, then Donald Trump will not be safe, and none of us will be safe.
You have it quite backwards the ones protecting illegals were will to warp any rule to get to Trump was there any due process in ny or dc circuits even still
The worst crime in recent memory and the lawfare brigade have prevented the trial of those responsible for 3000 dead i know torture!
Pick any one boasberg contreras howell marchan sullivan even lamberth et al
@David Clayton
Oh joy. Yet more idiocy.
So Abrego Garcia the spouse beating MS-13 Affiliate is a “hero of democracy and the rule of law.” That is a hell of a stretch and even the left leaning biased fanatics I debated with on a server generally argued he was a victim rather than hero, and that the problem was not what he did or didn’t do but that he was denied due process (which is iffy as heck).
Depended on which Nazis. Plenty were killed or in some cases even murdered without trial. Many others went on the lam or disappeared and were never trialed alive (whether due to already being dead like with Martin Boermann Hitler’s secretary, who had been unknowingly killed earlier before being tried in abstentia) or Mengele who managed to dodge and evade for the rest of his misbegotten life. And the more you dig the more depressing it gets.
If you have to lie about the circumstances of the case that is an indicator you are not serious.
Firstly: Trump wasn’t the first to declare Abrego Garcia bad or in need of being thrown in jail. He was an illegal immigrant who was trialed no less. Than twice on that greatest bastion of right wing sentiment, Baltimore. In which while he and his defense tried to argue against being an MS-13 member ultimately gave up trying to argue he was not arrested during a midday taboo curfew time with gang paraphernalia in the company of MS-13 members, which would be sufficient grounds to chuck him from the country by itself even if he had done literally nothing with them but hang around and ask for a spare gum. This was also when he was able to successfully argue that deportation back to El Salvador would constitute an undue risk of prosecution or violence, hence the stay order preventing him from being deported specifically to El Salvador (but not being deported period). Though tellingly he got swept up later for further contact with MS-13.
And he is also apparently a partner bearer as attested by charges filed.
It is worth telling that all of these would be justification individually to deport him. It is worth underlining that while foreign nationals on U.S. soil have a right to due process, that right is less than that for US Citizens, and in particular so for illegals present in the country unlawfully. It is also worth noting that the standards of proof for deporting a foreigner from the country are different and much lower than those for convicting them of a crime. And of course there are justifications and mechanisms to deport even those that have committed no crimes (such as a diplomatic staff member of a foreign country or their family declared Persona Non Grata but who refuse to clear out).
So Abrego Garcia was a real piece of work unlawfully in the US who had violated his terms for staying here. Even if he had done literally nothing else that would justify a deportation. And it also is worth underlining that the courts acknowledge this. Even the absolutely scathing Supreme Court verdict (predicated it must be said upon false premises due to incompetent or even two faced representation by the DoJ Attorney arguing before the Supremes) do not deny or quibble over if Abrego Garcia could be deported but but if he could be deported A: Now, B: To El Salvador, C: With the due process or lack thereof he received.
Yes, courts headed up by shamelessly unprofessional leftist hacks with disqualifying conflicts of interest who nevertheless failed to recuse themselves. And often using unethically novel and unproven theories of the crime to charge expired misdemeanors as felonies.
But at least Trump got trials in those cases, farcical and crooked as they were. The January 6th committee disgraced itself peddling lies and selectively distorting information for years but could not mount a legal case. And many of those detained in abysmal conditions, often without trial, over January 6th never got a day in court (several of course did with varying levels of justness, but hey).
Trump’s an egotist with a grandiose sense of self arguing about the extent of U.S. executive branch legal authority, but he isn’t Starmer.
You know this is blatantly in bad faith and insincere as your snipes usually are, but even if taken at face value it would still be preferable to what you have given hundreds of years of British freedom and democracy and the rule of law away to. Charles III, Starmer; and the people responsible for Southport and Rotherham. And that is actually what terrifies me, David.
Like Neo I am not fond of the cliche of bad times make strong men, strong men make good times, etc. but bad times certainly give greater flexibility and scope to wannabe strong men to act in the absence of the law. Hence the Book of Judge’s famous statement:
In those days Israel had no king, and everyone did what was right in their own eyes.
What often gets overlooked is how they did what was right in their own eyes because they lived in lawless, cruel, divided times and tried to muddle through. And if there is one thing that unites Starmer, the Southport Rioters, and the Southport murderer it is that they are doing what is right in their own eyes. And there will lead to ruin and has helped make people so desperate and angry they will resort to awful extremities being justified one way or another.
I don’t like that: I also do not support it. But it is happening. And Trump had vastly more legal justification for deporting a Salvadoran illegal to El Salvador’s prison than Starmer has for things like blatantly persecuting people for getting the Southport murderer’s identity and affiliations correct.
Clean up your own house first.
What a joke you are Clayton, you are giving your country away to sharia law, that is if you are actually “British” and it’s not yet another pose from an obviously hired and part d troll.
David Clayton and BJ again show that our trolls aren’t worth what they are paid.
Rue Britainia.
But at least the Supreme Court in Great Britain has decided that men and women are defined by their biology. Fancy that. Any coment on that David Clayton? Are you going to emigrate to Canada?
You are giving your democracy and freedom away to a wannabe King with an ego the size of his arse.
David Clayton:
I greatly dislike emotionally-loaded you-statements like this in the midst of disagreement. It’s a classic emotional escalation which contributes nothing to reasonable debate.
Are you interested in reasonable debate? Or venting? Seriously.
A few days ago I referred you to the viral Jordan Peterson – Cathy Newman interview in which she constantly reframed Peterson’s statement in strawman attacks. “So you are saying that …”
https://spreadgreatideas.org/resources/speeches/jordan-petersons-channel-4-interview-with-cathy-newman/
You seem to be continuing that approach.
What outcome do you have in mind?
When questioned many Europeans say, apparently very matter of factly, that they believe that a European civil war is on the horizon.
The thesis of the essay linked below is that, because of European leader’s suicidal opening of their countries to wholesale Muslim immigration and to Islam, by gradually implementing policies favoring Muslims and Islam, and discriminating against non-Muslims and Christianity, combined with a disarmed and largely apathetic public, developments have progressed to such an extent that the western Christian civilization of Europe is doomed.*
Very unfortunately, I think that this essay is correct, and that the Islamic infiltration and subversion of almost all of the nations of Europe has just progressed too far to be reversed.
See also David Betz, King’s College Professor of War in the Modern World’s essay “The Coming British Civil War.”**
* See https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2025/04/the_gates_of_vienna_have_fallen.html
** See https://www.louiseperry.co.uk/p/the-coming-british-civil-war-david
> I would say Romanticism has long had a cozy home in religion and art.
> And still does.
That, too.
“Kilmar Abrego Garcia—an alleged illegal immigrant, domestic abuser, and likely MS-13 gang member”
Did the INS allege this or state it as a fact?