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  1. On the one hand — “Hostage Deal: Israel responds to Hamas ultimatum”: https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/403715

    All families of the hostages were updated this evening following Hamas’ announcement. It was emphasized to the families that the State of Israel stands by the agreement in its entirety and views any breach of it with severity.

    And on the other hand — “PM Netanyahu: ‘Trump’s plan presents opportunities we haven’t even dreamed of’ “: https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/403670

    We agreed that we must achieve all the goals of the war that we have set: the elimination of Hamas, the return of all our hostages, ensuring that Gaza will no longer pose a threat to Israel, the return of all the residents in the north and the south to their homes, and of course, to prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons.

    It’s a very short walk to the resumption of the war.

  2. I will acknowledge occasionally reverting to tee-age boy mentality.

    That teenager wishes Israel would begin executing the Palestinian prisoners with machine guns until hostages are released.

    And, televise it.

  3. Israel should parade their prisoners before the cameras and douse them with pigs blood, instantly rendering them unclean
    and by Allah’s declaration in the ‘sacred’ Qur’an, now barred entrance to paradise. Then announce that until every Israeli is returned, they will remain imprisoned in an unclean state.
    It would also be ‘instructive’ to announce a new policy that, from now on every captured jihadist will upon imprisonment be immediately rendered unclean and with pork the only meat served prisoners.

    You gain leverage over a mortal enemy by attaching to the actions to be deterred consequences that for the enemy are intolerable. To do that, consequences must place at risk what the enemy values…

  4. The only regret is that Israel didn’t cancel it first, based on the released hostages being paraded through crowds of Hamasniks. That the agreement would collapse was a foregone conclusion. This allows the MSM and UN types to blame Israel.

  5. Mike Plaiss:

    They might call Trump’s bluff. Then they kill all the hostages and blame Israel.

    I don’t have a better solution than Trump’s, though. Once the hostages were taken, there was no good solution and really no acceptable solution.

    My guess is that Trump is trying to pressure Iran with this threat, to get them to tell Hamas to cooperate, because Israel or the US might retaliate against Iran.

  6. “They might call Trump’s bluff. Then they kill all the hostages and blame Israel.”

    That would greenlight Israel to take the gloves off.

  7. fullmoon:

    Yes. But then the hostages die. I don’t think most Israelis would approve. Netanyahu might not be willing to take the gloves off while there are still living hostages.

  8. Mike Plaiss quotes Trump:

    “If all the Gaza hostages aren’t returned by Saturday at 12 p.m., I would say cancel the ceasefire. Let all hell break loose; Israel can override it,” he said.

    What can Trump do to Hamas? Several more buildings destroyed in Gaza, when Gaza is already a lunar wasteland? Hamas has nothing left to lose.

    Like Neo says, Trump is bluffing. He might be able to kill some Hamas honchos hiding somewhere, with the assistance of Israeli intelligence.

    A bluff.

    I like Geoffrey Brittain’s idea of contaminating Muslim prisoners w pork products. Pershing did something similar in the Philipines a century ago. Unfortunately, pork is also forbidden for Jews, which would create a problem for the IDF applying a pork policy for Muslim prisoners.

  9. This link from sdferr had mostly comments from people who want Gaza bombed to ruins and Hamas obliterated, but there was one interesting observation: “Hostages Families Headquarters, which doesn’t actually represent the hostages families, and only represents the typical leftist elitist, can be quiet and go away. No one wants to hear from them. Ben Gvir is exactly correct.”

    In the mass of USAID revelations, there may be a connection that bears out his claims.
    Does anyone here know the credentials for HFH?

    In re Trump’s statement: IMO he is signaling that the US will not impede any action that Israel takes, unlike the Biden Inc. administration.

  10. “Hamas has nothing left to lose. ”

    Hamas has plenty left to lose. It’s not about the buildings, it’s about the organization. I’m sure Israel knows where they are. If they kill the hostages, they are dead men walking.

  11. Jimmy
    Hamas has plenty left to lose. It’s not about the buildings, it’s about the organization. I’m sure Israel knows where they are. If they kill the hostages, they are dead men walking.

    Let us hope Israel knows their locations. I have my doubts about Israel knowing the locations of Hamas honchos. After all, Sinwar was not killed in an operation that deliberately targeted him. Sinwar’s death was a case of chance favoring the prepared mind.

  12. Iran has a lot left to lose. I think Trump is speaking to Iran’s leaders.

    –neo

    I care about the hostages, but the real game for Israel and the US is Iran.

    Israel’s recent reprisal to Iran’s mass missile and drone attacks took out Iran’s air defenses. Iran is effectively naked to a determined Israeli attack upon Iranian nuclear facilities and much of Iran’s economic infrastructure.

    I think we are heading towards a high noon moment.

    I predict Hamas will dribble out a few more hostages to play for time.

    This game has an ending.

  13. Neo:

    If the hostages die and Bibi is removed Israel hasn’t learned anything and willingly commits itself to more hostage taking. My sympathy really dries up then.

  14. Who feeds Gaza? Hamas? Does Hamas feed Gaza?

    Who supplies Gaza with potable water? Hamas? Does Hamas supply Gaza with potable water?

    Who supplies oil, natural gas, refined fuels and lubricants to Gaza? Hamas? Does Hamas supply these things?

    How about electricity generation, or modern communications systems? Hamas?

    Life in Gaza is fixing to become very harsh indeed, quite apart from bullets flying or bombs and missiles coursing target-bound.

  15. @ sdferr — Who feeds Gaza etc.

    It is well known that Israel is the only country in the history of the world that is FORCED by international pressure to supply their sworn enemies.

    The US and international aid to OUR sworn enemies is both corrupt and IMO treasonous.

    The US post-war Marshall plan was undertaken voluntarily, with excellent results; the US aid that propped up Soviet Russia for decades was corrupt and misguided (IMO), but not extorted.

    At least, I don’t think so — cue Artfldgr for some history there.

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