Vicious murder on the NY subway
A migrant from Guatemala has been arrested for allegedly lighting a sleeping subway rider on fire in Brooklyn on Sunday morning — then watching as his innocent victim burned to death in what the New York’s top cop called “one of the most depraved crimes one person could possibly commit.”
The savage killing — which happened at about 7:30 a.m. on an idling F train at the Coney Island-Stillwell Avenue station — shocked commuters, MTA workers and NYPD Commissioner Jessica Tisch, who said Sunday that the heinous crime “took the life of an innocent New Yorker.”
There’s much much more at the link. But one thing I don’t see is whether there were witnesses, and what they did or didn’t do. After the Daniel Penny arrest and trial, it would be hard to fault them for holding back.
The alleged perp was identified through photos and three high-schoolers called police because they saw him and recognized him on another subway. Also:
Officials said the 33-year-old suspect came to the US in 2018 from Guatemala. He was detained by border patrol agents in Arizona in June of that year, sources said. His legal status wasn’t immediately clear Sunday night.
He received a transit summons in May 2023, but his criminal record in New York City was largely clean otherwise, sources said. He was living at a shelter on Randall’s Island at the time of the infraction.
Take your pick: psychopath, drugs, psychotic, or some combination of the three?
There must have been at least one witness-there was video of the incident.
According the NY Post, he was sent back in 2018 but was able to sneak back in at some point. One suspects after January 2021, but it’s not known.
https://nypost.com/2024/12/23/us-news/sebastian-zapeta-calil-idd-as-illegal-migrant-accused-of-setting-woman-on-fire-riding-nyc-subway/
As reported by the Times of India; 11/6/2024 Guatemala has an average IQ of 47.72.
If you tend towards the average, your choices of entertainment may not mesh with a modern society.
Facts are cold and hard, but also unavoidable.
I suspect the Times of India may not be reporting facts.
https://www.iqtestacademy.org/home-2?cq_src=google_ads&cq_cmp=418624968&cq_term=normal%20iq%20average&cq_plac=&cq_net=s&cq_plt=gp&msclkid=8ca50513c61e17142c42627a26bce331
An IQ of 47.74 falls off the left end of the bell curve.
“Take your pick: psychopath, drugs, psychotic, or some combination of the three?”
Simply evil. No need to diagnose evil. Just eliminate it.
After a fair trial and upon conviction, the consequence imposed should always be proportionate to the offence. Society should respect his preferred method of execution and in turn impose immolation upon him. Mercy to the barbaric is cruelty to the civilized.
Geoffrey:
Well and truly said.
Mercy to the barbaric is for the spineless among us. They vote (D).
Guatemala has an average IQ of 47.72
I suspect a measurement artifact here. That’s like 3.5 standard deviations. Now somebody has to fill in the bottom 0.01% of the bell curve, but my guess is that there’s a lot of people in Guatemala whose IQ can’t be measured accurately. They have too many countries scoring that low, it doesn’t work out in the share of the population those countries represent.
Times of India seems to have got the data from here but I’m not sure what that source is. Taking it at face value, Indonesia and India average about 77, and that’s about 1/3 of the world’s population. But only about 7% of the world should have an IQ that low.
I have spent a fair amount of time in Guatemala, from a drilling rig in the jungle, to tourism to visiting friends. That average IQ of 47.72, which indicates barely educable, is utter nonsense.
I do wonder where the suspect, Sebastian Zapeta-Calil, is from in Guatemala. My guess is from the lowlands (Zapata or Pacific coast, for example), not from the highlands.
OK Geoffrey, do you want to be the one to light him up?
The victim’s name is Amelia Carter. She was a 29-year-old doctoral student at the University of Pennsylvania. In one of the videos posted here, you can see a policeman walk by her burning body like nothing was happening.
@newlangsyne:you can see a policeman walk by her burning body like nothing was happening.
It’s also odd she’s just standing there. I confess I have never seen anyone burn alive and so I don’t know what to expect, but I didn’t expect that. Drowning people don’t drown like in the movies and people sometimes look right at them, not knowing they are drowning, but I am very surprised that she’s not doing anything when she’s on fire.
I think it’s going to be a while before there are enough hard facts to understand what happened. And like the Las Vegas shooter it just may never make sense.
It’s not surprising that it is hard to get solid statistics on racial, ethnic, or national average IQs.
Research on this topic is basically verboten.
Even Dr.Jordan Peterson’s take on IQ, as deeply researched by the U.S. military, that in general anyone with an IQ of less than 83 is basically untrainable—is, I would think, very unwelcome.
P.S.—According to Peterson, that
I.Q. of 83 or less figure works out to 10% of the population.
IIRC to drown only requires a tablespoon of water in the lungs. FWIW.
You can see the major public policy issues raised–but it looks like ignored–by this 83 I.Q. figure.
that in general anyone with an IQ of less than 83 is basically untrainable
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Which is nonsense.
Art Deco:
Ain’t necessarily so.
Depends on what tasks are at issue.
I’ll take Jordan Peterson’s opinions over yours, since I know his credentials but not yours, though yours are expressed with clarity and vigor.
Telephone pole. Nails. Hammer. Some assembly required.
I am SO tired of putting up with evil homicidal maniacs. Make an example of him in the middle of Times Square. And while he squirming up there he should have an IV to keep him hydrated and infection free. Keep him alive as long as possible.
I want the bastard to SUFFER. No nice clean painless death from a needle.
Now. Is Friedrich right? Is the Abyss looking back into me?
Art Deco–Here is Dr. Peterson explaining what he found out about the 83 I.Q. idea. *
* See https://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=caR69G6wpwU
See also https://www.youtube.com/shorts/HPmaAE3jq6I
P.S. See also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtRE9HpVja8
I got the maggot was a illegal almost right away yet until I read the comments here had no idea about the woman victim. Was assuming it was a vagrant possibility drugged or passed out, not that even a person in that situation deserves a horrible death.
Sundowner is letting off death row inmates but would volunteer a 45acp round to end this guy’s existence.
Well regarding IQ and trainability we are comming out of four years of FJB so don’t underestimate the usefullness of the less gifted. If Brandon up to the average Guatamalan level of cognition?
Why does everyone believe this Guatemalan guy did it? Is there a witness? Video?
What is the most disappointing and outraging is that nothing is being said about the victim, although her identity is known. A PhD student? A productive member of society, with perhaps a promising future? Or is there more to the story? Doesn’t look as if this will be shared, although the underlying theme of social / civilizational collapse seems to be the preference for coverage, and not just on the part of the perp – but of law enforcement casually walking by the flaming victim and apparently not taking much heed. NYC, the city of the future……..
I’ll take Jordan Peterson’s opinions over yours, since I know his credentials but not yours, though yours are expressed with clarity and vigor.
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I’ll refer you to Edward Banfield’s commentary on this subject, penned more than 50 years ago. IIRC, they are in The Unheavenly City Revisited.
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Linda Gottfriedson doesn’t say people in thar range are untrainable. (Her preferred characterization is ‘near the lower bound of ready employability’).
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You are all asserting that 13% of the population cannot be trained to do anything. That would amount to 27 million working-aged persons. The number of working -aged persons who are (1) inmates, (2) vagrants, or (3) on the SSI roles is about 8 million. I’ve no idea where Dr. Peterson fancies the rest of them are hiding out.
Why does everyone believe this Guatemalan guy did it? Is there a witness? Video?
Yes and yes. Multiple witnesses and video.
As to the victim, something doesn’t add up. A UPenn PhD student? I read in one story she was sleeping. Not blaming the victim here in any way, but that seems a bit odd, though it maybe explains how she was fatally burned before she could react. But it’s still hard to fathom. I would think anyone whose clothes catch fire would know almost instinctively to roll on the ground to put the flames out. Maybe she was intoxicated? But at 7:30am?