Israel makes life hard for the Iranian regime
Israel continues to do some very impressive things:
Reports are that somewhere between one-third and one-half of the IAF took to the skies on Friday night — a remarkable feat in itself if you know anything about what it takes to ready and arm a sophisticated warplane — and every single one of them returned home safely.
An open-source intelligence writer who uses the handle Raylan Givens — I’ve followed and trusted him for a couple of years now — gave the rundown on the operation, “courtesy of IDF Radio and with the approval of the military censor.”
“The attack destroyed ALL of Iran’s long-range surface-to-air missile batteries,” according to Givens’ translation of the IDF Radio report. “All long-range detection radars were also destroyed. Iran is left with only short-range batteries of local Iranian models.”
Again bowing to Western pressure, Israel left Iran’s oil and nuclear facilities intact, but the IAF brutalized Iran’s missile production sites. While “Iran possesses more than 2,000 long-range ballistic missiles,” by most estimates, “the production of new missiles was crippled. From now on, Iran will operate with a finite supply because the stockpile it has will not be able to grow for months or years.”
In addition, reports are that Iran’s strategic defense was set back 2-3 years – and with the Ukraine war on its hands, Russia will have trouble stepping up to the plate and re-supplying Iran. In addition, a site that was struck was involved in nuclear weaponization, and there were strikes in Syria and Iraq which I’ve read had to do with disabling some of their ability to detect Israel’s airplanes overflying those countries.
All in all, quite an undertaking. It points out that Israel probably could have done all of this some time ago, but was apparently holding back until it could be fully justified. The other message it must send to terrorist sympathizers and enablers in Iran, Syria, and Iraq is: “we can get you any time we want.”
That makes me SO sad. 🙂
Though it wouldn’t surprise me that Iran has some batteries stored safely underground. They may be mad, but they aren’t stupid.
Let us hope that Trump gets elected so that Israel and the USA can destroy Iran’s nuclear capabilities. ( I assume that Israel can’t do it alone…) In addition to massive damage to Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps facilities….
Let the Mullahs find out what happens to those who want to destroy Israel. And the United States of America.
Gringo-
Islam is an ideology of authoritarianism. It is disguised as a religion, so we cannot suppress it here in the US. Though we need to.
Some mighty fine SAM systems were sold to Iran by Russia, now mighty fine powder? Couldn’t happen to a more deserving bunch (the mullahs and Vladdy).
Cicero, I was speaking in favor of bombing operations against Iranian nuclear facilities. (“Let the Mullahs find out…”) I agree that dealing with Islamofascism within the borders of the USA is more problematic. After all, we can’t nuke Dearborn.
“Raylan Givens” Ha! I loved that show “Justified.”
What would the point of storing SAMs underground be? It’s really hard to target enemy aircraft from there, and the difficulty of destroying any of the launchers goes up with the number of active launchers.
If you don’t have enough personnel to use them, sure, I guess, but if you can man them…
Manpads yes but the larger units dont really work underground
The Israeli websites I frequent are all saying that this is NOT a one time retaliation but only beginning of reducing the threat of Iran to Israel permanently.
That would mean continuing attacks spread over time taking out one piece of Iran’s military after another.
Should Iran retaliate, they will be very sorry to learn that Allah is displeased with them and wants the Mullahs gone. Aloha Snackbar!
Well yes not too many hezbollah or hamas personnel are volunteering and i cant blame them
Eventually they will have to hit kharg island or one of the major nuclear facilities
https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-says-israels-strikes-on-iran-destroyed-industrial-factories-of-death/ Similar story from The Times of Israel
This seems to be a measured and highly appropriate response to Iran’s raining missiles on Israel. Plus, they have disabled air defenses and demonstrated that they can bomb at will if necessary.
Does anyone know if what they did was consistent with the “leaked” plans?
Kate
Wonder if the leaked plans were a fake. Would be in character.
That’s what I wondered, Richard Aubrey.
To the extent that the leaks described munitions loadouts on particular airfields, the attacks as carried out were compatible. No targeting information (so far as I know) had been directly exposed; it was by inference, so the caution went, that damage could or might be done. In the event? No difficulties to be spoken of have emerged.
Gringo: “I was speaking in favor of bombing operations against Iranian nuclear facilities. (“Let the Mullahs find out…”) I agree that dealing with Islamofascism within the borders of the USA is more problematic. After all, we can’t nuke Dearborn.”
DTE may have tried to do that back in the 60’s, assuming that the winds were from the south that day.
https://www.freep.com/story/money/business/2016/10/05/today-marks-50-years-since-fermi-1-accident/91559686/
A non release of radioactive contamination does not almost kill anyone. Even in Detroit.
No links since these tidbits are at the ISW’s “Iran Update, October 28, 2024” – OR from the links they point to in the article.
With Ukrainians destroying Russia’s S-300s, and the overheating economy causing lack of labor & production ability—Russia can’t afford to sell Iran any S-300s. Have read today that it could take 2-3 years before Iran gets any more S-300s…
Sounds like the Iranians should pass on the S-300’s and try to buy a few S-400’s instead.
I am not sure if the S-400’s are actually [still?] the world’s best missile defense system, but I understood they were at or near the top of that battle space.
What is missing here is a recognition that all the aircraft and most of the ordnance was American in design and manufacture. The attacking force consisted of F16’s, F15’s and F35’s. Only the F35’s are considered stealthy. The defensive radars and weapons were all of Russian origin. Of course, Israel performed some modifications to the American weapons but when it came to a confrontation between the opposing forces, to use a baseball analogy, it was a shutout, or perhaps even a perfect game, a complete wipeout. I suspect that Russian and Chinese leadership has taken note of this and perhaps, just perhaps decided to cool it on any aggressive confrontation with Amerian forces at this time. Weapons superiority is a thing.
”I am not sure if the S-400’s are actually [still?] the world’s best missile defense system…”
They are not and never were.
M. Cervantes:
Manpads yes but the larger units dont really work underground
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Manpads? Let’s leave Tim Walz out of this…
Good points on the S-400s & F-35s. Over the years I have apparently lost the military weapons & armament sites once had (?!). A quick search here so Don’t know how accurate the following tidbits are:
This is what many REPs (pro-Russia, IMHO) miss about the valuable info & tactics that Ukraine has provided to the American Military—priceless info & tactics, Ditto on IMHO. The Russian military wasn’t what America had thought it was before they re-invaded the sovereign Ukraine. We are wasting valuable time by not letting Ukraine do what it wants to do…
Heh man portable missiles like stingers or iglas, their vaunted defenses are like the maginot line
The leaked intel was from American satellite intelligence. It wasn’t a leak of the actual Israeli plan.
I suspect that a quick succession of MOPs (Massive Ordinance Penetrators) could first penetrate, then destroy, and finally seal up a deep-underground nuclear production site. That would require the use of B-2s, which would require all serious air defense be eliminated, which is exactly what the IDF has just done.
Russia has developed the S-500, meant to defend against stealth aircraft. They have just deployed a few batteries in Crimea, I have read.
@ Brian E – as of 6/14/2024 Russia had “One S-500 Air-Defense System” in Crimea, and that may have already been destroyed by Ukrainians.
BTW, my Marcy ME709 Recumbent arrives tomorrow—is that the one you have?
Ray
You don’t need a MOP if you can put 250 pounds down the elevator shaft. This would allow for more choices in strike platforms.
mkent and Karmi, thanks for the weapons data feedback (and search effort).
Steve (retired/recovering lawyer) on October 29, 2024 at 6:20 am: “Weapons superiority is a thing.” As a retired defense contractor employee, I agree, but we must not lose sight of Stalin’s [???] adage that even lower performing weapons in quantity have a quality all their own. If Hezbollah had 100K modest missiles and only half are found or destroyed so far, that still presents a potential problem for Israel. Following David P. Goldman, some of these wars only end when 30% of three generations of combatants are killed.
Makes me wonder if some folks aren’t pushing for these nondomestic wars just to see how their “toys” work.
@ R2L > “Makes me wonder if some folks aren’t pushing for these nondomestic wars just to see how their “toys” work.”
Isn’t that one of the points of all “fighting them over there instead of over here” policies?
OTOH, given that neither Republicans nor Democrats ever expected Israel to go after Iran directly, I think it’s more of an unanticipated consequence in this case.
@ BenDavid > “Let’s leave Tim Walz out of this…”
Thread winner.
The lie goes half way around the world before the truth can visit Neo Neocon, tel aviv, or DC.
Amazing info war, but still lacking vs moi. It is amazing how the Ghost of Kiev fooled yall here but you still need spoilers.