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  1. “,,,she ended up winning the 3-way election.”

    Betcha that’s not the only 3-way she’s been involved in.

  2. I like the “similarities” list. Very thorough!

    Overall, it’s a fascinating post. When one steps back and thinks about scope and ramifications of this, it’s really quite astonishing and my thought is, “How the hell did we get here?”

    Kamala thinks she is a good BS’er and isn’t. (repeating myself) But Obama IS a very good BS’er. His most amazing quality to my eye, is that “cool.” How on earth can a person be on the nation stage in front of millions and be that casual, cool, and cocky? It used to think he was on drugs, maybe mild ones. (I recently had surgery and discovered Valium in the hospital. Is that great stuff or what?!!) But I now suspect that it is his true nature.

    With Obama, after having watched several hundred of his appearances, I noticed that his extemporaneous speeches can be subdivided into two categories.

    One type is the very good “word salad.” He’s not really saying anything, but it sounds exactly like a real discussion or thought process. Politically, those are best because few people really believe the socialist bullshit that is his true thoughts on these matters.

    The second type is generally longer in word count, and I suspect addresses a topic he feels more passionate about. He actually reveals some of his true thoughts, which is politically a mistake for him.

    The well known example of that would be (April 2008):
    And it’s not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

  3. I think other similarities and the core of their success was the lack of political baggage. Neither had long political careers where they solidified their positions by votes in the legislature.
    Both fit the Hollywood mold– young, charismatic, able to speak well (aside from Kamala’s laugh, which can be passed off as a charming affectation).
    Both are committed leftists– committed to the total transformation of the country to some progressive ideal.
    Both rose quickly to national prominence after somewhat short legislative careers.
    In other words, both are the ideal Manchurian candidates to represent the Democrat machine.

  4. As much as I dislike Obama I’ll admit he’s quite competent, politically savy, and (for the most part) able respond to questions in a coherent way. He has charm and cunning. He maintains a cool demeanor of confidence and intelligence. He is always trained and prepared for any public speaking he does. In short he’s a very high level, practiced politician.

    And those are things I certainly can’t say of Harris. She has none of those qualites. It’s clear to me that she is a person who has been elevated far beyond her abilities purely because she checked certain boxes and had a measure of good fortune. And she may well lose this election for the Democrats because of her lacking these qualities. Perhaps the very ideas that the Left has championed, the concept of elevating a person not due to their merrits, but because they happed to be a certain skin color or gender, may be the thing that undoes them.

  5. Broken families, “Daddy” issues, youths spend marinating in Marxist ideology. What could possibly go wrong??

  6. @neo:No, he and Obama were not romantically involved,

    Lol, I wonder how you’d know that. I can see there not being publicly available evidence of their romantic involvement, though.

    But who knows, perhaps in your long and eventful life you were always present whenever those two met and can say of your own knowledge that they were not romantically involved, and so you can make this categorical statement of something not having happened. 🙂

  7. ok after 16 years I don’t think he was all that, yes they share a heart that blood cold, a calculated indifference, combined with an artificially induced outrage ‘if trayvon were my boy’ one might say they genuinely attempted to run a candidate in so far, that the mug on the other side, had decided to throw the match, Romney pretended a little more, but we have seen how high dudgeon, he can get when he pretends, at Trump, perhaps in order to satisfy the likes of cofer black, the grey eminence of the black ops boys

    McCain has become like jacob marley to wax dickensian, the ghost that wouldn’t leave, who enabled obamas ‘dark designs’ even after he had returned to
    martha’s vineyard,

    did anyone really run the country under obama, there were persons who had their marching orders like holder some others like hillary pursued parallel agendas but their result was terrible to the body politic

  8. TommyJay,

    Obama is glib and “cool,” as you write, but there are plenty as talented as he. He also gets a pass due to his skin tone. He himself has written about learning that many whites would go easier on him, have lower expectations; due to their personal issues with race. And he learned to use that to his advantage. If George W. Bush said the exact words Obama says the press would excoriate him for being vacuous because much of what Obama says is vacuous.

    None of this is an indictment. A skilled politician will use what is at his or her disposal and Barack Obama is a skilled politician.

  9. – Each had two – count em, two – parents with PhDs.

    No. Barack Sr. had only a Master’s degree. Wiki_Barack Obama, Sr.

    Obama was forced to leave his PhD program at Harvard University in May 1964 because of administrators’ concerns over his finances and personal life, including uncertainty over the number of wives he had, but he received an M.A. in economics from Harvard in 1965.

    Was Barack Sr. capable of getting a Ph.D.? No doubt. He published some papers while working as an economist in Kenya. Those might be counted as Ph.D. equivalents, as the doctorate is or was supposed to the the student’s first professional research.

    Barack Sr. was Ph.D. capable or equivalent, but he never got that piece of paper.

    As a politician Kamala is a laugh, or better said, a cackle. 🙂 She is not comfortable doing the politician gig. Say what you will about President Obama’s politics or his teleprompter, he is a very astute politician. In fact, you might say that was his calling from an early age. From Dreams from My Father, about Obama’s Occidental College days:

    To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets. We smoked cigarettes and wore leather jackets.

    The young Obama was very concerned about how he was perceived, and modified his speech and actions to fit how he wanted to be perceived. You might call him a phony. You might also call him a natural-born politician. A politician has to be concerned about how he presents himself, to appeal to the highest number of people. Like young Obama.

  10. I previously wrote that Kamala is not comfortable doing the politician gig. I am reminded of another politician who was not comfortable doing the politician gig: Richard Nixon. Nixon was an introvert, which is not a good fit for what a politician does. His discomfort came through time and again. I am reminded of Mad Magazine’s take on Nixon: “In my sincerest insincerity.” 🙂

    But in Kamala’s case, I don’t think she is an introvert. As I believe Neo once wrote, it is more a discomfort at the hoops that a politician has to jump through.

  11. Income-wise an American child of American professors today would generally be middle-class. Socially they might not be, I suppose it depends on where they are and what they are doing. Nationally, tenured and tenure-track professors’ median salaries are comparable to that of plumbers with 4 – 7 years in.

  12. Niketas:

    Yes, it’s also a class thing. But in addition, Kamala’s father was a professor of economics at Stanford, which I’m pretty sure pays way above average for a professor. Her mother wasn’t a professor but was a medical researcher with a PhD in pretty high-up research positions.

  13. IrishOtter:

    Why depressing? I find Obama’s administration and its lingering aftermath depressing, and I find Harris’ candidacy depressing. But I don’t find their similarities and differences depressing. I’m curious why you do.

  14. Her beauty lies
    Between her thighs,
    Willie Brown avers.
    Her other places
    Have no graces,
    The former mayor swears.

  15. Parallels:

    Neither Obama nor Harris grew up American black. They were biracial children of privileged births, not from American black parents, and not from a black neighborhood experience.

    They were above middle-class. And they sure didn’t work low-class jobs like McDonald’s even as teenagers.

  16. One very important difference: Kamala is obviously lacking in self-confidence; enough so that Ace’s theory, that she gets tight before appearing in public, is at least public. Barack is the opposite; he is obscenely overconfident. I believe he is about as close to being a true solipsist as it is possible to be.

    Neither could construct a plausible case for a position they oppose, not if their lives depended on it. They cannot rise above straw men.

    Both TommyJay and Rufus are correct in seeing that Obama is just as addicted to vacuous word salad as Harris is. He’s just better at doing it in a way that fools many people. They hear the voice, and look at the poise, and don’t bother with the meanings of the words. Or, really, lack of meaning.

  17. neo on October 22, 2024 at 3:18 pm said:
    IrishOtter:

    Why depressing? I find Obama’s administration and its lingering aftermath depressing, and I find Harris’ candidacy depressing. But I don’t find their similarities and differences depressing. I’m curious why you do.
    _______
    Surely the fact that they’ve taken in so many is depressing.

  18. I know IrishOtter wasn’t trying to be funny, but I had to laugh. And neo’s response is very rational, but … what?

    I think neo does an excellent job here of helping us see the forest and not just some trees. If one takes politics seriously, and one should, this topic is depressing. However, (this is more of a confession and not a boast) I find it all too ridiculous and mostly choose to turn away and occupy myself otherwise. Or maybe it is my self-preservation impulse. I’m big on that these days.
    _______

    OK, my slow brain can now hang a word on the aforementioned “forest.” This political disfunction is “systemic.” It took the US almost 250 years for the Machiavellians to figure out how to thoroughly hack our system, and here we are.

  19. neo:

    That there should be such people as Obama and Harris and that they should become so consequential in the life of our republic — I find that depressing. Obama’s rise to power and the means and people who facilitated his ascent: also depressing. I am, or was, a Chicago-lander, born and raised, bread and buttered. I used to love the city. Loved it passionately. But Obama and the Democrat machine that propelled his rise to power killed it. I saw Obama’s rise from the beginning and I have to say that I had him pegged from the get-go as a fraud and a bullshitter and a fundamentally awful person. Watching his rise to the pinnacle of political success and not being able to stop him, and watching as the people with the wherewithal to stop him support him instead: that’s depressing.

    This post reminded me of all that. Made me feel it in my gut. Made me depressed.

    I think of the climactic episode in “The Quiet Man,” the long awaited fight between Will Danaher and Sean Thronton. Taking a break from the fisticuffs, they have a pint together in the nearby pub. They fall to reminiscing about the past. Danaher gloomily observes, “The old days are gone forever.” And sniffs back a tear.

    It’s a very funny moment, they was John Ford constructed it. But the sentiment is not funny to me now. The old Chicago is gone forever, and it’s never coming back. Because of people like Obama.

    *sniff*

  20. Neither Obama nor Harris grew up American black. They were biracial children of privileged births, not from American black parents, and not from a black neighborhood experience.
    ==
    Obama was not someone of privileged birth. The complex of forces in our political system have elected to allow people to claim American citizenship who should not be permitted that, and that is the closest thing to a privilege the young Harris received. Her parents were here on student visas.
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    were above middle-class.
    ==
    Harris parents were college teachers. Obama’s stepfather was a cartographer for Indonesia’s state oil company. His mother worked for the non-profit blob. His grandfather sold furniture and insurance. His grandmother was the manager of escrow accounts for the Bank of Hawaii. Neither Harris nor Obama were ‘above middle class’.
    == 
    And they sure didn’t work low-class jobs like McDonald’s even as teenagers.
    ==
    In the world I grew up in, probably not Mickey D’s. Grocery store employee and restaurant employee (busboy, waitress, cashier), yes.

  21. IrishOtter:

    Thanks for the explanation.

    I guess I factored in all that stuff a long time ago, so this post at least didn’t add to it for me.

  22. Obama has been EXTREMELY ruthless from the start of his political career. He stabbed Alice Palmer in the back. (And she had been trying to mentor him.) He somehow managed to get sealed divorce records leaked to push Jack Ryan out of the race. He cheated from the begining of his political career.

  23. neo:

    It comes back at me in waves. Not often, but when it does. . . .

    Today it was a very big wave.

  24. Someone+Else:

    The skids were greased for him from the very start. Even before the start. At the Harvard Law Review he was a do-nothing figurehead. His whole life has been a skate.

  25. It is rather distressing that he climbed up the greasy pole with too much ease it served the interests of many to poison the well of american good will like schwab and soros and jorg gyss and prince talal to cite a few examples on the international front his partnership with malaki lead to the rise of islamic state which he ignored because he was too busy with the victory dance over romney and the tea party at least one skirmish with hamas or hezbollah happened on his watch thanks to al quds brennan

    even after he left office he pours copious salt in the wound in the spring of 2020 he fanned the flames when some cities might have been spared

  26. neo wonders, “And Kamala? How ruthless is she?”

    As ruthless as she needs to be.

    “Both are committed leftists– committed to the total transformation of the country to some progressive ideal.” Brian E

    Therein lies the source of their ruthlessness… the end justifies the means.

  27. Obama has always had a keen eye toward exploiting the system’s weaknesses to advance himself, stepping over the backs of his competitors – and as others have noted here, some of them at times, completely unaware that they were his competitors. His talent is his skill at spotting these opportunities and being completely ruthless about strategically taking them to their useful limits to advance his power.

    Brown has a driving, naked ambition to advance herself, her career, at any cost. But the cost has been mostly reputational, or derived from the impact on the underclasses that suffer from her policies. She doesn’t have Obama’s brilliance, the intelligence to spot weaknesses in the existing system, and she doesn’t have the cunning to plot their exploitation. As we have seen during this campaign, she doesn’t have the creative arrogance to synthesize a winning message to the masses, either. She’s not able to communicate effectively, to campaign persuasively, to inspire. She’s just personally ambitious.

  28. The privileged/middle class/working class muddle is another similarity/difference between Obama and Harris.

    Regardless of where you want to put them on the economic class ladder neither grew up in blue-collar working-class families of the kind JD Vance did.

    However, Obama was able to spin “born to a single mother from Kansas” in such a way as to obscure that his childhood in Indonesia and Hawaii (including a private school education) was far from the typical life story reflected in that phrase.

    I don’t know whether or not Harris actually worked in McDonald’s but it is pretty clear that this was another of her attempts (along with born in Oakland and bussed to a school outside her neighborhood) to spin her life story into something that would conjure up an image of a young woman rising up out of The ‘Hood. If she was more verbally adept she probably could have made it work but she wound up making it sound like she worked there during her high school years in Canada which didn’t make much sense.

  29. Re: Obama, Harris — ruthless?

    Sure, they can plot and twist the knife. But ruthless “by any means necessary” to fundamentally transform America — not really.

    Obama is smarter, more articulate and more charismatic than Harris. But I see them both as lazy and unwilling to put themselves on the line beyond putting up with a politician’s life

    Would either have marched at Selma with Martin Luther King? Or put themselves in the sights of assassination like MLK, Malcolm X or Medgar Evers? Or Donald Trump? Or gone underground like Bill Ayers and the Weatherfolks?

    No, of course not. Obama and Harris are happy with comfortable luxury.

    I still say that if Obama and Michelle were ruthlessly serious about transforming America they wouldn’t have left it up to Joe Biden and now Kamala Harris to make that happen.

  30. The main difference between them?
    The number of mansions owned by each of them.

    – – – – – – – – – – – –
    “…if Obama and Michelle were ruthlessly serious about transforming America they wouldn’t have left it up to Joe Biden and now Kamala Harris to make that happen.”

    Except that they didn’t leave it up to them.
    IOW, the Democrat Party Politburo doesn’t operate that way.

  31. Excellent post, thorough and detailed, with many comments shedding additional light on the topic. However, I am surprise that there was no mention of what I believe to be three other, salient points of coincidence between Harris and Obama. First, there is a deeply rooted and overarching animosity toward all things American; it’s history, its original ethnicity and the culture it produced, its Christo-Biblical philosophical underpinnings and ethos. Each of them were raised in homes where foreign–both nationality and philosophical–traditions dominated. Obama forthrightly stated he wished to fundamentally transform the country. Harris has not been quite so forthcoming, but she liberally sprinkles all her public statements (more precisely, those she uttered before her current incarnation as “presidential candidate”) with statements betraying her underlying desire to do just as Obama promised. Second commonality is their facility at lying about their agendas; revealing their true beliefs only to those they trust to keep their secrets while simply lying and pandering to everyone else. They make used car salesmen look like paragons of honesty. Third is their use of skin color and ethnicity as a shield against any criticism, which is always met with cries of RACIST and in Harris’ case, she benefits from the additional shield of SEXIST, so is doubly insulated. In a rational society, both of them would have been outed as enemies of the national polity and prevented from rising within its political system. Of course, Americans have been so browbeaten about their alleged racism/sexism and generally icky social mores that nobody has had the temerity to level criticism at these two birds of a feather. At least, not until now when the half of America that still wishes to preserve it as a nation–not merely a geographic entity–has been galvanized into action by the only political figure in my lifetime of seventy years who has had the courage to (pace Buckley) “stand athwart history and yell STOP!”

  32. Huxley on October 22, 2024 at 11:00 pm said: Or put themselves in the sights of assassination like MLK, Malcolm X or Medgar Evers?

    When Obama selected Biden as his running mate, my conclusion was that he chose him so that anyone who thought about assassination would think again, knowing that someone as inept as Biden would take over as President. I also think in eight years of Biden serving as his VP, he realized that Biden had the added bonus of giving him another term (or two) as a puppet.

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