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Open thread 10/17/2024 — 13 Comments

  1. Question for all: In discussions with friends, what lines of argument have you found most effective in moving people away from support of the Democrats?

  2. Sounds like the Elimination of Yahya Sinwar this morning in Southern Gaza, may have been Accidental; with Israeli Soldiers on Patrol claimed to have observed several Armed-Terrorists hiding inside of a nearby Building, leading to a Tank firing a Shell into the Building. It was only after a Search of the Rubble that the Body of Yahya Sinwar was found by the Soldiers.

    https://x.com/sentdefender/status/1846915013174300710

    Some accidents turn out to be happy after all!

  3. At the link 3 photos of the deceased body presumed to be Sinwar. These are gruesome pictures, albeit highly conclusive, so be warned if your constitution is averse to such stuff:

    GRAPHIC WARNING

    Photos out of Gaza on the interwebs purport to document the corpse of Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar. Is he really dead? We’ll soon know. For early confirmation, watch for an announcement of an official period of mourning from Harvard, Columbia, and UCLA.

    https://x.com/Doranimated/status/1846895121121288397

  4. That one photo linked to by sdferr sure looks like Sinwar’s left ear, and front teeth look very close…Bad Karma dude!

  5. Noah Pollack makes a point which is both true and, I think, necessary to amplify:

    If you are celebrating the elimination of Sinwar, you should also be celebrating the premiership of Bibi Netanyahu. No other Israeli leader would have stayed in the fight this long and achieved this victory. Since weeks after 10/7, the pressure on Israel from the Democratic Party, Europe, the UN, the media, the western foreign policy and political establishment, etc, to cut a deal, to agree to a “ceasefire,” to surrender, has been unrelenting and enormous. And for a full year, the leader of a tiny and vulnerable country has resisted and outmaneuvered the pressure to stop fighting. It’s a remarkable achievement, and it’s the real reason Sinwar is dead.

    https://x.com/NoahPollak/status/1846933048019001395

  6. sdferr, that’s precisely why Obama campaigned against Netanyahu, and why the leftwing Israeli Supreme Court allowed the lawfare against him to go forward. He’s proven to be a strong leader, and the left can’t advance his agenda against a strong leader. Same reason the left can’t tolerate or allow a return to the Presidency of Trump.

  7. Shirehome: From the perspective of most of us here, we feel Neo must have picked the song as a commentary on Kamala’s performance last night. We found her arrogant, angry, and both unable and unwilling to explain her past record or her future policies. An adenoidal lightweight.

    However, I think Harris’ performance is highly instructive for answering David Foster’s question of what are effective ways of moving people away from the Democrats. We have to first of all understand how the other side sees things. And this debate is highly instructive.

    We know the Dems are going “She did great!” and if it had been Biden in the chair, we would be correct that they are gaslighting us.

    But with Kamala, they really believe it. She entered enemy quarters and showed she was unafraid. Late, so they see how little she thinks of them. She didn’t let a beefy stolid white guy trap her into answering any of their stupid questions, oh no. Of course she was angry, being challenged by the likes of Fox News. How perfect to use the occasion to get her message across to the their deluded audiences that it is Donald Trump who is the source all they don’t like!

    Her “word salads” are perfect corporate speak. Many wish they could say so little in so many words, fill out the time with so much slipperiness that “Gotcha!” is impossible (Isn’t the real scandal of the 60 minutes sub that Kamala’s answers are so generic they could be switched out?).

    Maybe Kamala turned off some men, but not her core supporters because they weren’t watching Fox anyway (I think that’s true?). But it was red meat to the core constituent, the “educated” woman. Unless we tackle the ubiquitous “You go, girl!” mindset, we hand them a victory like we did last night: “Kamala gave those Fox people what for!”

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