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  1. Well, doing the opposite of what Biden says is probably a good idea in general. Who was it that said he’s been on the wrong side of every major foreign policy issue for over 40 years?

  2. The “colonizer”/settler narrative has long been replete with ironies. The US is a settler country, created from Europeans who colonized the continent. And people not from Europe have also colonized the US. Arabs and others in the US who denounce settler/colonial Israel are themselves settlers and colonialists in the US, which is itself a settler/colonialist country.

    I am reminded of the “genocide” label applied to Israel. If Israel were genocidal, there would be a LOT more than 40,000 dead Gazans. Moreover, it is not difficult to find in Hamas and Hezbollah genocidal attitudes towards the Jews.
    Tablet (2015): Did Netanyahu Put Anti-Semitic Words in Hezbollah’s Mouth?

    Last week, in his address to Congress, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu warned of the threat posed to the Middle East and to Jews by Iran and its proxies. One such proxy was Hezbollah, the internationally recognized terrorist group, and Netanyahu offered a quote from its leader by way of illustration:

    For those who believe that Iran threatens the Jewish state, but not the Jewish people, listen to Hassan Nasrallah, the leader of Hezbollah, Iran’s chief terrorist proxy. He said: If all the Jews gather in Israel, it will save us the trouble of chasing them down around the world.

    The Tablet articles goes on to point out that many considered this a fabrication on Netanyahu’s part. Turns out it was NOT a fabrication.

    It’s an intriguing theory, with only one small problem: there’s audio of Nasrallah’s 2002 speech, and he certainly says the words Netanyahu cited. Listen to the relevant excerpt:
    Here is an English translation of Nasrallah’s words–somewhat more florid than Netanyahu’s paraphrase–followed by a transcript of the original Arabic:

    But I’ll tell you. Among the signs […] and signals which guide us, in the Islamic prophecies and not only in the Jewish prophecies, is that this State [of Israel] will be established, and that the Jews will gather from all parts of the world into occupied Palestine, not in order to bring about the anti-Christ and the end of the world, but rather that Allah the Glorified and Most High wants to save you from having to go to the ends of the world, for they have gathered in one place–they have gathered in one place–and there the final and decisive battle will take place.

    According to the Hamas/Hezbollah/Iran crowd, there’s good genocide, and there’s bad genocide. Bad genocide: what the Israelis are capable of doing, but refuse to do. Good genocide: what Hezbollah/Hamas/Iran want to do to the Jews, but do not yet have the capability of doing. ( Hezbollah’s atrocities in Argentina point out that it isn’t Zionists Hezbollah wants to kill, but Jews.)

  3. “According to the Hamas/Hezbollah/Iran crowd, there’s good genocide, and there’s bad genocide. Bad genocide: what the Israelis are capable of doing, but refuse to do. Good genocide: what Hezbollah/Hamas/Iran want to do to the Jews, but do not yet have the capability of doing.

    The Jews are just the first on Islam’s genocidal list. The world’s LGBTQ+ crowd, its atheists, agnostics, Hindus, Buddhists, pagans, etc. etc. are all on the list of those to be slaughtered.

    Christians, being “people of the book” get the ‘option’ of repeatedly paying the jizya tax with its acceptance of enslavement. Since non-Muslims in the Ummah effectively have no rights, Christians claiming that paying the jizya tax secures second class citizenship are simply whistling past the graveyard.

    Of course, every infidel can escape death through conversion. That only requires that you sell your soul by affirming that Muhammad, the mass murdering, rapist pedophile was the “perfect man” and Islam will let you live.

    All of which demonstrates that Islam is not a religion worthy of the name. Islam is a violently expansionist, murderous and totalitarian ideology that wraps itself in a facade of religious pretense. In its basic tenets, it is inarguably a death cult and arguably, Satanic in nature.

  4. I have friends from Lebanon, husband and wife both doctors. He is actually an Iraqi and both are Christians. They took another friend to Beirut some years ago when it was safe. I have Christian Palestinian friends. I helped the son of one of them get into medical school. They invited us to a party to celebrate and the young friends of the son entertained us with belly dancing. The girls had been taking lesson. Lovely people.
    The Christian Palestinians left years ago.

  5. @ Mike Plaiss > “Who was it that said he’s been on the wrong side of every major foreign policy issue for over 40 years?”

    Note the date & add 10 years to The Gates Maxim.

    I was surprised that the dirt was dished up on NPR; they seem to have gotten past any qualms about Biden’s record since then.
    And remember that they and Politifact have lied along with everyone else about his mental deterioration.

    https://www.politifact.com/article/2014/jan/16/fact-checking-gates-claims-about-bidens-foreign-po/

    Former Defense Secretary Robert Gates made waves with his new book, Duty: Memoirs of a Secretary at War, an insiders look at the national security decisions of Presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama.

    His assessments of the current [Obama] administration were especially notable, since it is rare for someone to leave a cabinet post and so quickly dish dirt on the man still in power.

    Gates saves some of his sharpest criticism for Vice President Joe Biden, insisting in the text that the former longtime Democratic Senator was “wrong on nearly every major foreign policy and national security issue of the past four decades.”

    That’s a subjective assessment, but Gates got more specific in a Jan. 13, 2014, interview on NPR. Gates said Biden’s votes against aid to South Vietnam in 1975, the Reagan defense buildup and the first Gulf War, as well as comments Biden made in the late 1970s that positively reflected on the overthrow of the Iranian Shah, were evidence enough.

    We explored those items in an in-depth fact check that reviews the congressional record of a man elected to seven terms who once harbored presidential ambitions, and may still. We found Gates was right on three of his critiques, and gave him a Mostly True.

    We don’t want to insinuate that means the defense secretary’s assessment of Biden is accurate, but at least his talking points (for the most part) don’t misrepresent Biden’s record.

    The author was correct about Biden’s presidential ambitions, and it is a disgrace that they were ever realized.
    That his tenure has been marked by miserable decisions on both foreign and domestic policy is not a surprise; that so many Republicans (may I add “so called” to that?) have rallied to support him despite the disastrous consequences of ALL of those policies is worse than a disgrace.

  6. @ Michael K in re Christians in the Middle East.

    This paragraph jumped out to me when I read the post (h/t Mike Plaiss yesterday).
    I guess I was surprised that there were still operating Christian churches in Lebanon.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/iran-says-it-has-finished-attack-israel-amid-fears-spreading-conflict-2024-10-02/

    Caretaker Prime Minister Najib Mikati said that about 1.2 million Lebanese had been displaced by Israeli attacks.
    Malika Joumaa, from Sudan, was forced to take shelter in Saint Joseph’s church in Beirut after being forced from her house near Sidon in coastal south Lebanon with her husband and two children.
    “It’s good that the church offered its help. We were going to stay in the streets; where would we have gone? We were (sheltering) under the bridge, it is not safe. If we go back home, it is not safe, they are striking everywhere.”

  7. Another couple of useful news posts from today.

    https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/iran-news/article-823021
    HEADLINE: Iran’s Khamenei warned Nasrallah of Israeli plot to kill him, sources say
    Hezbollah has refrained from officially appointing a successor to Nasrallah, possibly to avoid making his replacement a target for an Israeli assassination, they said.

    Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei warned Hezbollah leader Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah to flee Lebanon days before he was killed in an Israeli strike and is now deeply worried about Israeli infiltration of senior government ranks in Tehran, three Iranian sources said.

    In the immediate aftermath of the attack on Hezbollah’s booby-trapped pagers on Sept. 17, Khamenei sent a message with an envoy to beseech the Hezbollah secretary general to leave for Iran, citing intelligence reports that suggested Israel had operatives within Hezbollah and was planning to kill him, one of the sources, a senior Iranian official, told Reuters.

    The messenger, the official said, was a senior Iranian Revolutionary Guards commander, Brigadier General Abbas Nilforoushan, who was with Nasrallah in his bunker when it was hit by Israeli bombs and was also killed.

    Poor Khamenei: Now who ya gonna call?
    Scroll on down for some pretty extensive commentary on the chaos in Iran and Lebanon as they hunt for Israel’s spies. They may have caught one in Iran, who was a little too curious about Nasrallah’s whereabouts. Whether he was the real mole or not, he is probably dead by now.

    https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-823039
    HEADLINE: Terror royalty: Nasrallah’s son-in-law killed in airstrike on Damascus, days after brother – report
    Hassan Jafar Qassir’s assassination is another severe blow to Hezbollah as its leadership has been slowly picked off in Israeli operations.

    Was Qassir even on the phantom replacement list?

  8. Israel’s Foreign Minister took a step that is long overdue.
    Text of his speech, which is short and to the point:
    https://x.com/Israel_katz/status/1841422324890812763

    JSPost commentary quotes him in snippets, and adds context.
    https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-822984
    HEADLINE:’Persona non grata’: Israel bars UN secretary general Guterres from entering country
    “Israel will continue to defend its citizens and uphold its national dignity, with or without António Guterres,” he concluded.

    In April, the United Nations omitted Hamas from its blacklist of state and non-state parties guilty of sexual violence in 2023, due to a lack of what it deemed to be credible evidence.

    The blacklist was part of a larger annual report on sexual violence authored by UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres.

  9. fullmoon:

    Your comment reminded me of this:
    ______________________________

    It’s better to ask for forgiveness than permission.*

    –Grace Hopper, pioneer computer scientist and U.S. Navy rear admiral
    ______________________________

    Hopper also used the term “bug” early for a problem with computers or software. Her team found an actual moth stuck in a mechanical relay of one of the first computers.
    ______________

    * Usual disclaimers of quote attribution apply.

  10. It’s better to ask for forgiveness than permission.*

    My father used to say that. It must have been wide spread at the Pentagon by the ‘70s.

  11. What will Israel do next? Many people say – and I agree – that it’s time to take out Iran’s nuclear sites.

    –neo

    Yes. The stakes are too damn high, not just for Israel, the world.

  12. @ huxley > “Her team found an actual moth stuck in a mechanical relay of one of the first computers.”

    My first post-college job was programming a cost accounting application for a Utah power plant construction job.
    We had floppy disks in stand-alone cases plugged into the programmable calculator (not even a computer in 1977).
    One day the disk reader went down because there was a cockroach inside the case.
    Ah, the good old days!

  13. Once c.1983 was waiting to reboot a PDP-11 based remote station while DEC field service removed a moth from the backplane. We both had a good laugh.

  14. fullmoon: “Destroy nuclear, apologize afterwards.”

    s/b Destroy nuclear, take credit for saving the world afterwards.

    Would not be the first time. Remember when Israel bombed Saddam’s nuclear reactor?

  15. Caretaker Prime Minister Najib Mikati said that about 1.2 million Lebanese had been displaced by Israeli attacks.
    ==
    You mean 120% of the population of southern Lebanon has headed north?

  16. The gentleman is mostly correct on what happened when Palestinians showed up enmasse, but Phoenicians haven’t existed as a cultural group for a couple thousand years. We need not ask what happened to the Greek cities dating to before Alexander’s time or the Roman ones after. Erasing cultures while complaining about your own culture being erased is rather ironic.

  17. @ Art Deco > “You mean 120% of the population of southern Lebanon has headed north?”

    Well, about 120% of Gazan civilians have been killed by Israel this past year, so that’s in the ball-park.
    I just copy-pasted that Reuters quote for the church reference, but your comment is interesting.
    What’s your source for the 120%, as the Wikipedia entry for Lebanese population was no help to me in looking for that information.

  18. Mikati should stay on his yacht and stay silent

    If you notice thats 20% than thd entire population 12% possible

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