Tonight is the vice presidential debate between Walz and Vance
I haven’t yet decided whether I’ll watch it, but probably not. How about you?
Expectations are very low for Walz but beware – that is sometimes a setup to make anything the person does look good in comparison. Walz will also have the usual advantage of a compliant and helpful media. CBS will be doing the honors.
I’m with you on the subject of watching these so-called “debates.” They have degenerated into a series of “gotcha” questions posed by hostile interrogators to any republican participating and softball, quasi-adulatory set-ups for any democrat. (Republicans get the “When did you stop beating your wife?” question while democrats receive the “How did you ever become so fabulous?” type.) These spectacles are not designed to elicit information or positions but fortify democrat talking points and allow democrats to lie without fear of rebuttal. Having said that, I do hope that Vance scores some verbal knockout blows on both Walz and his media interrogators. Of course, when those same media types provide “analysis,” they will ignore anything positive for Vance and praise Walz’ performance even if he should literally sh-t himself on stage.
I plan to watch and enjoy it.
Is it true that Walz made 30 trips to China? China is nice to visit, my wife went there when she was 20, but 30 times….
Nope.
The debate should take on an interesting twist tonight following the attack on Israel and the Obama/Biden/Harris enabling of such.
I always plan to watch, then, switch to record and watch later, then,after getting gist from internet, delete without ever watching
Vance needs a ready answer for cats and dogs, needs to get in a stolen valor dig, even if subtle.
And, dis Kamala as much as possible.
Last Bite Hotel on Food Network. I’m already voting for the non-socialist ticket.
What Vance does very, very well is that he refuses to accept the framing the Democrats with by-lines always include when they ask a question. There was an appearance Vance made on CNN I think it was where Dana Bash spent a minute and half framing a gotcha question for Vance which Vance immediately destroyed which left Bash sputtering. He should look for similar opportunities tonight because they will surely be there for the taking.
I will rely on after action reports. Looking at you, Neo.
Yes they do the sword swish and vance fires at the target i know margaret brennan is the trick ace in deck but i expect jd to handle them both
There are some classic films on tcm that seem to elizabethan themed including anne of a thousand day
John guy the revisionist historian seems to be properly taking henry tudor apart
Will Tampon Tim even show up? In 2022 he did poorly in a debate with his GOP opponent, so he simply refused to show up for the next three.
I don’t plan to watch, just wait for the clips and memes to show up on X.
Expectations were very low for Kamala at the last debate, and she pulled it off. We’ll see.
Walz is a malodorous POS, a China-lover. Harris has not received even one (uno) vote from an American voter.
This should not be even a close election, but it is. Thank the propaganda by the MSM, run by Democrats, and the dumb ass voters out there, the couch potatoes sucking up TV garbage.
Newt Gingrich and Ann Coulter are wizards at spotting and dismantling the planted axiom in a question. Fun to watch. Hope Vance is at least half as good.
I don’t see how all the current chaos in the world — Trump assassination attempts, Biden coup, inflation, border crisis, Ukraine War, October 7, Gaza War, Hezbollah War, Iran counter-attack — can possibly favor Harris/Walz.
Especially since so much of all that has roots in Obama/Biden/Harris.
Their whole “We’re the adults in the room” stance, while offering nothing but feel-good gabble can’t be the ticket.
@huxley:Their whole “We’re the adults in the room” stance, while offering nothing but feel-good gabble can’t be the ticket.
It’s not. It’s “Trust the government”. The people who count the ballots in the blue precincts will see to it that they get the needed votes….
I’m watching, at the one hour break. Vance doing well, Walz getting red in the face.
Biggest takeaway is that the 2 harpies from CBS are trying to out bias ABC. Disgusting.
“I can’t see how…”
It’s all pretty simple, really: it’s ALL Trump’s fault.
Even if it isn’t his fault, it—deep down—IS his fault…this because Trump IS the Devil.
(And we know he’s the Devil because the Democrats and their deeply imprinted media ducklings have been telling us 24/7 over the past eight years that he is. Saturating us with his ignominy. Bombarding us with his criminality, his dishonesty, his uncouthness, his crassness…and—perhaps worst of all—his lack of style…and style).
And if yer a bit skeptical regarding whether the Devil exists…or not (or if yer agnostic on the matter) then let’s look at the “issue” from another angle:
Trump IS Emanuel Goldstein.
The eternal, diabolical JEW.
The irredeemable “enemy of the people”(TM).
A man to be hated and despised. AND FEARED!!
Gotten rid of.
Put away.
In fact Trump is SO Jewish that even an extraordinary number of Jews find it proper to demonize him..and feel really good—really VIRTUOUS— about doing so.
(Not sure ye can get more Jewish than that…)
I’ve been busy, listened to about 10 minutes on the radio in 2 segments, separated by about 10 minutes. Based on that brief impression they are both likely making their bases happy. Vance is more intelligent than Walz, and, as Yancey Ward stated, Vance is very adept at sidestepping the moderators’ bias. However, Walz is coming across as seriously concerned for peoples’ welfare, even threw in a Gospel quote.
Absolutely agree with physicsguy on the moderators. Just awful. I could almost physically sense the bias and disdain for Vance emanating from the radio as they spoke.
I just quit at 1022…the moderators are just too much. What got me was they now asking about making the US more child care friendly like Europe. Their questions are all slow pitches to the Democrats. I thought after ABC that these MSM people would have some shame, but Nooooo.
Ace had an interesting piece today about the incredibly shrinking, network late night talk show audience.
Here’s a quote from the Hollywood Reporter piece that is the impetus for Ace’s post:
What, Rufus, you ask, does this have to do with the Vice Presidential debates?
Network news, just like network talk shows, are over. They just don’t know it yet. There are no longer three channels. Networks stayed relevant by bundling with cable companies and using their first mover status to create monopolies on programming. But the cost of entry for competitors is now as low as the cost of an iPhone.
Jimmy Kimmel, Seth Meyer, Jimmy Fallon, Steven Colbert… They are not Steve Allen, Johnny Carson, David Letterman or Jay Leno. But they think they are.
And Norah O’Donnell and Margaret Brennan are not Huntley and Brinkley.
Walz or Vance would swing more undecided voters with a 2 hour appearance on Joe Rogan’s podcast.
Regardless of how Walz or Vance do tonight, the story is the death of the medium. O’Donnell and Brennan are akin to a Pachycephalasaurus and Torosaurus one month after the Cretaceous–Paleogene extinction event. The sun is a little dimmer, the air is colder, but they don’t yet understand what has happened.
Rufus nailed it: “Regardless of how Walz or Vance do tonight, the story is the death of the medium. O’Donnell and Brennan are akin to a Pachycephalasaurus and Torosaurus one month after the Cretaceous–Paleogene extinction event. The sun is a little dimmer, the air is colder, but they don’t yet understand what has happened.” Bravo.
I agree with Rufus. We’re interested in the big network debates to the extent that we are behind the times, and that’s why we are so bummed by how blatantly biased the media is–we don’t recognize that it’s mostly just old folks like us paying attention to what they say.
I videotaped it only because if something significant happens, I want to be able to catch the context. Otherwise, I’ll be content to see what selected others say, especially here.
what solar system is walz on, and the moderators ugh, but vance was very good, despite o’donnell and co doing their best charlie hustle for their team in homage to pete rose,
he couldn’t remember he had gone to china, after 10,000 chinese were murdered on tienamen, he threw up that stupid project 2025 folderall, there’s your sign man, he pretended that harris has as much bankrolled october 7th and everything he that has followed
Vance came back strong against the interference the hacks put up against the border record, the economy et al
of course they let him get away with the stolen valor and his demonic pro abortion stance
finland as a model for gun policy, you can fit finland in vermont
Watched it.
Walz did a passable job. When asked about one of his stories that wasn’t true (In Hong Kong at the time of the Tiananmen Square massacre.), he answered that he shoots his mouth off a lot and makes mistakes. Yeah, Tim, we know. 🙂
Vance was quite good. Earnest, likable, intelligent, compassionate,
and willing to push back on the moderators.
The moderators were biased, awfully biased.
I doubt the debate moved the needle much other than some women may have found Vance more likable than Trump, and that can’t hurt. It didn’t hurt the GOP, and didn’t make a case for Kamala. In two days, IMO, it will be forgotten. Only political junkies will care.
Rufus T. is right. The major networks are dying, they just don’t know it.
While overall I agree that the networks are dying — universities soon to follow — debates still count.
Just ask Joe Biden.
I’m seeing good press for Vance tonight. Maybe in a few days we can ask Tim Walz too.
M J R on October 1, 2024 at 11:35 pm said:
I videotaped it only because if something significant happens, I want to be able to catch the context.
That makes you the wisest of us all.
(Even my wife and) I gave up after 70 minutes. If you ask a question about climate change today as if it is still a real issue, you don’t know enough to be a moderator of a high school debate, let alone a national VP one. Unfortunately neither candidate objected to that framing, although I could see Vance had points on promoting energy that he wanted to make instead. Plus continual focus on the immigration impact, etc.
it was a target rich environment, of course the moderators brought XXL pilllows
yes climate change, thats a nasty hair ridden chestnut, its a marvel how they strive to avoid focus on the big issues at hand
the fact check aboutTPS that Vancd slipped in over the wire, trying to hide their evil deeds in Springfield
one would be left more ignorant, with what those moderators were spouting out
the knucklehead was friends with school shooters, did I hear that right?
there was an attitude of contempt on Walz’s part, while Vance really wanted to dialog
whose the actual teacher and who’s the party hack
I noted that Ukraine didn’t come up, well after you’ve spent 160 plus billions dollars and you’re at largely status quo ante, you wouldn’t bring that up either
they tried to make a vice out of trump’s diplomacy, with north korea,put perfume on a pig with the iran ransom negotiated by Robert Malley, much like his underling foolishly giftd north korea with much loot, which the kim dynast directed to building more nukes, along with the aid they got from pakistan
that reminds me carter had a role in making sure Kim would get the bomb, which was a lesson t o any aspiring nuclear power, of course we gave kaddafi the other lesson, don’t make good faith agreements with ud
About the school shooters comment – I think he had a mind/
mouth disconnect,stumbling over his words. It was like the “binders of women” comment. Mitt meant to say that he had binders of resumes from women. Walz probably meant that since he was a teacher,he knew kids in his school who owned guns. I would have to listen to the whole segment again.
That said, the Rs should run with the comment,just like the D’s did with the binder comment.
yes indeed, pin the tail on the
knucklehead, he doesn’t deserve the benefit of the doubt
still a clown show with two noises, but jd pulled off one of his clown shoes
physicsguy
Fertility Rate for the European Union is 1.5. If the European Unions is so child-care friendly, then why are so few children being born? But US fertility rate, at 1.66, isn’t much better
Related (“fact checking”, as performed by Democrats and their media minions…):
“Ridiculous ‘fact check’ of a true statement during CBS debate”—
https://nypost.com/2024/10/01/opinion/ridiculous-fact-check-of-a-true-statement-during-cbs-debate/
And it’s curtains….
I listened to maybe 15 minutes at the start and 15 at the end. As noted, the women were tag-teaming Vance.
From what I heard, I thought Walz did “well.” A commenter on an earlier thread asked why Walz seemed so evil to him. I think that Walz takes cleverly crafted lies like about Jan 6, and speaks them in a phony, kind, fatherly, folksy Midwestern voice, while he’d really like to put a bullet in your brain for the Party. He misspoke many times, but also strategically interrupted Vance, preventing him from finishing his points.
It also seemed to me that Vance was speaking out of both sides of his mouth, trying to appeal to more “moderate” voters, and to make himself likeable. I missed Walz’s closing statement, because I had turned down the radio to avoid some obnoxious commercials, and didn’t realize that was Walz droning on.
It seemed that both men had their memorized pieces and only addressed the questions obliquely.
If Donald Trump were willing and able to do what Vance did last night, he’d be up by 10 points and cruising to a landslide.
Re: undecided voters – is allowing the right to take the hit of another four years of Trump’s shenanigans the price of making Vance the future of the party? If so, is it worth taking the electoral pain in 2026 and 2028 to have Vance after that? How much influence will VP Vance have on President Trump? How much running room would VP Vance have to call Trump on his BS after the election when Trump is a lame duck? (He obviously has very little now – see the Jan. 6th discussion last night.) Don’t underestimate the undecided voters asking those questions.
I know the current impression is the TV/Radio effect in the Nixon/Kennedy debate is overblown, but I find this quote from the New York Post in line with my perception of last night’s debate.
Earlier I wrote I listened to about 10 minutes on the radio and thought Walz did a good job. He sounded concerned, caring and kind.
I watched about 45 minutes of the debate later, and Walz did not come over well on television. Vance was poised and commanding. Walz seemed frenetic, defensive and menacing at times. Walz did a decent job of thinking on his feet; weaving in positive points for he and Harris and negative attacks on Trump and Vance, but on the few times the moderators questioned his record he fumbled.
One can only imagine how poorly he and Harris would do if the Press treated them like they do Republicans. In other words, if the Press actually did its job.
That was a travesty of a mockery of a sham it was like a debate conducted by sybil the sooth sayer a minor character on chavevsky network
Vance handled himself very well with understanding and patience in this pig pen cloud of dust
He had to do a live semjnar on election law on climate science and economics all at thd same time while dodging more arrows than custer
I watched most of the middle and thought it was pretty even. Sure Walz told some whoppers (most notably the supposed Pregnancy Surveillance System included in Project 2025), but I’m not sure Vance broke through the noise. Walz sounded eminently confident and reasonable while lying about Minnesota laws. I’m not sure Low Information Voter would have noticed any points Vance was scoring.
My bias: I like Vance, so I want to make sure I’m not just seeing what I want to see.
I think he did real well could he have cut through more of the thicket of kudzu not in the time allowed
I watched the whole thing. I thought Walz did better than expected but agree with the criticism I see today. At the time, watching, I thought Walz looked old and nervous. Vance did a great job. The “moderators” were as expected.
I thought Walz looked old and nervous.
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Walz has looked prematurely aged for > 20 years. He also had a DUI conviction at age 31. Hmmm.
finland as a model for gun policy, you can fit finland in vermont
Yeah, you know what they also don’t have a lot of in Finland, just like Vermont?
VP Debate – Quick Thoughts:
1) Debates do not matter any longer, until they do – this debate mattered in part because it was the follow-up to Trump’ key debate message that he shares the same fears as the “common man”, Vance explained how the fear can be addressed by re-electing a president that had delivered Peace & Prosperity before.
2) Vance is exhibit A on how Trump will upgrade his team if re-elected.
3) Unlike Kaine, Walz had already faded before the VP debate – not sure possible to meaningfully reduce his exposure any further, and the damage has been done.
Meanwhile,
School Shooters Distance Themselves From Tim Walz
There’s catastrophic debate failure, and there’s cratering. The depth of the Walz crater is still being assessed.
…Walz’s bugged-out eyes, quivering apple pie chin, and the profile of a decaying jack o’lantern lost the debate more eloquently than any words.
LOL!