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  1. Bob Gates pretty much took care of Biden’s reputation as a foreign policy expert. “Wrong on every decision.”

  2. gallchobhair:

    I don’t get the impression he was in hiding. But the decision has to be made to kill him before it can be done. There are probably many such terrorists who could have been taken out but were not, because it would have been considered an escalation. That’s my guess, anyway.

  3. He was hiding in damascus, or some place like that where mugniyeh had been hit in 2008 supposedly syrian intelligence gave him up then. However why did it take 40 years to hunt him down
    Imagine if we waited till 2041 to take out bin laden

  4. Looks like Israel is serious now about its security, taking on Mama’s, and now striking big blows against Hezbolla. Good for them, and many more successes.

  5. “it’s probably more difficult to deter Islamic terrorists – who strongly believe they’ll go immediately to paradise – with fear of death than it is to deter those who don’t have that belief system. neo

    That belief system declares that Allah in the ‘sacred’ Qur’an has proclaimed that a Muslim, who at the time of their death is in an ‘unclean’ state cannot enter ‘paradise’. Any contact with any part of a pig instantly renders a Muslim unclean. Bullets fired from a gun that has been cleaned with gun oil that contains a percentage of clarified pig fat fulfils the means to render wounded and slain jihadists unclean.

    Remove the incentive by using their own beliefs against them.

    There is precedent. In the Philippines during the Spanish/American war, rendering fanatical jihadists unclean through being buried with dead pigs proved highly effective.

    The brutal reality Israel faces is illustrated by the fact that if Israel managed to kill every current member of Hamas and Hezbollah, if Iran’s entire leadership was killed… Islam would simply regroup and raise up another crop of new young ‘martyrs’.

    Proven by the fact that Israel is being attacked by the grandsons and great grandsons of the Muslims who attacked Israel in 1948.

    In the past 75 years, the only time Israel won a truly decisive offensive victory was in the 1967 Six-Day war. In every other conflict Israel has fought defensively. The fall of Constantinople after centuries of Muslim attacks demonstrates the ultimate outcome when consistently fighting defensively.

    “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.” Albert Einstein

  6. Too bad we have an administration on the other side and thats being charitable

    In 73 they were caught off guard despite some info from the likes of angleton perhaps the only pro israeli operative in the company they stumbled into lebanon in 82 similar with hamas in 09 and 2014 and 2021

  7. Will the Democrats inflict another idiot on us to top even Biden? Only if we let them cheat, but it may be that they have perfected cheating already.

  8. @Geoffery:In the Philippines during the Spanish/American war, rendering fanatical jihadists unclean through being buried with dead pigs proved highly effective.

    That’s a myth, sorry to say. Though people have done this, including some Americans, it doesn’t work. Muslims do not believe that anyone is kept out of Paradise on this basis: they reject that God would allow any non-believer that kind of power over a Muslim.

    Certainly they don’t appreciate having corpses defiled any more than non-Muslims do, but they don’t think it affects Muslims in the afterlife any more than the other Abrahamic faiths do. You can certainly make them madder, but it’s not much of a deterrent.

  9. @Geoffrey:The fall of Constantinople after centuries of Muslim attacks demonstrates the ultimate outcome when consistently fighting defensively.

    A subject very close to my heart! The fall of Constantinople was what we’d call “overdetermined”, not a result of consistently fighting defensively.

    Constantinople was first besieged by Muslims in the 8th century, but it wasn’t until 400 years later that Constantinople’s mortal wound was delivered in 1204 by Christian Crusaders, led by the Doge of Venice to ensure that the Venetians were compensated for transport; that they hung on until 1453 after that is what is surprising. They had little left to fight with after the Catholic Christians dismembered their empire.

    You can still see quite a lot of the looted treasures of Constantinople in Venice today, euphemistically described in the museums there as having “arrived in Venice”, and a painting by Tintoretto depicting the Venetian-led conquest hangs in the Palazzo Ducale. The missing foot of the Four Tetrarchs was recently rediscovered in Istanbul.*

    To be perfectly fair, many of those treasures had been looted from somewhere else, in many cases by the Emperor Constantin, and in the 19th century Napoleon relooted some of it. Some of which was brought back to Venice, including the famous bronze horses, which are so old no one knows how old they are. (They wear collars because the Venetians had to cut the heads off to load them in their ships, the collars were added to hide the cuts.)

    *Not Constantinople. Been a long time gone, Constantinople.

  10. yes that last crusade was not smart, part of that thin line between clever and stupid, counterfactual, if Rome had lasted another thousand years, well they would have been surprised, then again the Huns chose not to attack Constantinople, about a hundred years a skirmish between Venetian and Genoese colonies on the Black Sea, led to the Black Plague being imported, and all the consequences that entailed,

    the Sultan was clear the Strong Horse, as opposed to the last Byzantine emperor, the Venetian Spanish and other fleets, clashed with a successor Sultan at Lepantothere was Vlad Tepes efforts in Wallachiahow he became a villain in Stoker’s telling,

  11. St Mark’s remains were smuggled out of Muslim territory to Venice under a layer of pig fat. It doesn’t affect the afterlife but nobody wants to find out.

  12. @Michael K:St Mark’s remains were smuggled out of Muslim territory to Venice under a layer of pig fat.

    That’s the legend, though we don’t know if it’s true or what the Muslim side of the story was. Supposedly it deterred them from searching too carefully. But there’s a big difference between not wanting to touch pig fat because it’s ritually unclean, and believing that being buried with a pig keeps you out of Paradise.

    The other Abrahamic faith that has an issue with pork has also been subjected to this sort of thing:

    Diodorus, a first-century BCE Greek historian, explains that Antiochus, the villain of the Hanukkah story, sprinkled pig’s blood on the Temple’s altar, poured pig gravy on the Temple’s Torah scrolls and forced the High Priest to eat pork. Diodorus explains that Antiochus assumed if he could break Jewish habits regarding pork, he could break Judaism.

  13. ToI: IDF says it killed 2 Hamas terrorists who likely murdered the 6 Israeli hostages
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-says-it-killed-2-hamas-terrorists-who-likely-murdered-the-6-israeli-hostages/

    A day after the murder of the hostages, forces with the 162nd Division identified two terrorists emerging from a nearby tunnel in the Tel Sultan area, and killed them in an exchange of fire,” Hagari says in a press conference.

    “After we investigated the findings from the tunnel and equipment from the terrorists, we found DNA and several items that belonged to the terrorists that we killed,” he says.

    Good.

    Next.

  14. Niketas Choniates,
    Re:
    “@Geoffery:In the Philippines during the Spanish/American war, rendering fanatical jihadists unclean through being buried with dead pigs proved highly effective.”

    “That’s a myth, sorry to say.

    Yes, that’s what the left’s disinformationists claim. But not according to Black Jack Pershing, who was both there and in a position to know.
    Writing in the 1920s and 1930s, in a memoir published only in 2013, he recalled that juramentado attacks had been “materially reduced in number” by the burial of attackers’ bodies with dead pigs, “a practice that the Mohamedans held in abhorrence.” https://apjjf.org/2017/20/kramer

    Your claim that, “Muslims do not believe that anyone is kept out of Paradise on this basis: they reject that God would allow any non-believer that kind of power over a Muslim.” is invalidated by both the Qur’an and the nature of the literalism of fundamentalist jihadists.

    So, they may say that (Taqiyyah) but Allah has unequivocally declared it to be so in the Qur’an. Nothing about it not applying if the agent is a non-Muslim. No ‘get-out-of-jail-card with Allah. He’s one harsh MF…
    Since devout fundamentalist jihadists take the Qur’an literally, they have no basis for asserting that contact with part of a pig is voided if a non-Muslim is the agent of that contact. Allah, the all-knowing would have covered that ‘loophole’ since he’s infallible…right?

  15. @Geoffrey:he recalled that juramentado attacks had been “materially reduced in number”

    or How to Get Rid of Terrorists With This One Weird Trick. That’s his inference, we don’t get to see what evidence it was based on. That non-Muslims think it works is not evidence that Muslims think it works.

    After all the same thing has been done to Jews by Christians, and it doesn’t work on them either.

    Allah has unequivocally declared it to be so in the Qur’an. Nothing about it not applying if the agent is a non-Muslim.

    Have you got the sura handy for me to look up? Thanks in advance.

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