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  1. Do we really know how prevalent the opposition to Netanyahu’s handling of the war actually is?

    We know we can’t believe American polls. Nor can we believe in the size or intensity of American protests, because for Leftist causes those are stage-managed by professionals working in conjunction with sympathetic media and government. I don’t know how to gauge how different any of those things are for Israel.

    So how are we suppose to judge what is actually happening in Israel?

  2. Niketas:

    That’s a good question. The demonstrations are certainly huge, and there was a big (although short) labor strike that was extensive, promoted by Israeli’s labor organization. The answer – and I think I’ll add an addendum to the post – is that polls show most Israelis support Bibi’s position. See this.

  3. I watched the video of Netanyahu’s speech, that you quoted above.
    I kept waiting for “You can’t handle the truth!” But what he said was better.

  4. There is the process of “displacement”. There’s no use being mad at what you can’t change, nor at something or somebody who doesn’t care for your condemnation.
    It’s like using a hose to fill a barrel which is already full. The water just runs off making no difference.
    As I said earlier, the population of Israel is so small that, for example, a similar proportional hit on 9-11 would have been about 48,000 dead.

    You don’t/shouldn’t/can’t argue with the bereaved and near-bereaved. One example is from my father after WW II. He and his brothers were paying their respects to the families of school friends killed in the war. Apparently that was a thing then.
    One had been killed late in the Pacific war. His mother lamented that if we’d had the atomic bomb sooner, Arthur would be with them today. Given the relevant dates, that was pretty much a certainty. But the poor woman was so distraught that impersonal circumstance was not adequate for her grief. She thought the Jews had delayed the use of the bomb. There would be no logical point in discussing the issue with her. Nor mercy.

    All of which being true, you don’t take their insistence as having some special insight due to their grief. And it’s not worth arguing or discussing. Facts and logic will be bent and twisted beyond imagining.
    You just have to go on with the logical path. And be willing to take the hits and in Bibi’s case, there are plenty who will cynically climb aboard the displacement for their own purposes.

  5. Niketas Choniates makes a good point – ‘Do we really know how prevalent the opposition to Netanyahu’s handling of the war actually is?

    If the news is true—then am not sure how long Israel can last if someone doesn’t bring Iran’s military to its knees. True or not, at this rate, time is on Iran’s side, and they are closing in.

    If one is winning the Propaganda War, then why rush to turn it hot? Let your foe disintegrate or wither away. Iran is certainly winning the Propaganda War, and the DEMs are certainly nervous about Muslim support in certain areas.

    The protests in Israel are large, and could grow larger. Same for the US.

    Fortunately, for Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu is still in charge…

  6. Well the blue and grey coalition with the arab party did cobble together four govts before netanyahu

    Because bibi derangement is a thing actually those that steered israel into oslo decline are the ones who should be accountable and yet they never are

    Jonathan cahn who has provided special insight into this cursed world has a new book out the dragon prophecy which has many interesting elements on events leading up and after october 7th

  7. “If I were a hostage” sounds bad because I’ve never been one and I can’t say with certainty how I’d feel in that situation but… I actually think I’d be a little upset if my country went to extraordinary self-sacrificial lengths for the slim hope of rescuing me. I don’t think I’d want my country to make enormous concessions bound to result in more violence and bloodshed in the future just for me and maybe 100 or so other people. I wonder if any of the rescued hostages have commented on this.

  8. There is an expression: As above, so below. I have a paraphrase: As in Israel, so in America. The forces of deconstruction in both countries operate on the same principles. Sew discord, as loudly as possible and count on the lickspittle media, which has no interest in anything other than a lede that bleeds in order to get eyeballs or ears on their “stories” to amplify it. The Israeli and American media operate out of the same paradigm, without a thought for the consequences of their “journalism.” Sadly, they are often successful in convincing otherwise uninformed audiences that they are “telling it like it is.” President John Adams had it right when he said, “There has been more new error propagated by the press in the last ten years than in an hundred years before 1798.” I suppose the only comfort, cold as it is, is in knowing that it has ever been thus and we are experiencing nothing not previously seen and experienced.

  9. They. Can. Go. To. Hell! The world is changing, a lot of people are beginning to realize it’s not Disney Land.

  10. This whole situation reminds me of how the Germans, through manipulation of the Judenraete (the Jewish councils in the ghettos) made the Jews complicit in their own destruction, in part by forcing them to decide who would be deported to the killing factories next. When I worked with Yehuda Bauer, I found on his bookshelf several pamphlets published after World War II denouncing various Jewish leaders for their part in the destruction — and written in the most vile language possible. For example, the very Orthodox of Eastern Europe were furious with the Zionists for rescuing youth rather than the great sages of the time. And the postwar Kasztner trial in Israel brought out even more of the anguish. However the current standoff ends — and I don’t see any heroically happy ending, I predict there will be similar anger and divisions in Jewish society. Another long-term win for the anti-Israel and anti-Jewish forces.

  11. Caroline Glick Show with Eugene Kontorovich, “Biden’s Actions Against Israel Are Unprecedented”, (1:01:17): https://youtu.be/9sAMFQ-ouMA

    I, too, listened to this today. The level of evil our present Administration is operating in is unbelievable.

    Neo, you wrote a sadly prescient post regarding the hostages.

    Many insightful comments here. I’m at a loss for words.

  12. Richard Aubrey, the population of Israel is about 9.4 million, and the population of the U.S. is about 324 million. The U.S. has over 32 times the population of Israel, and has way way more than 32 times the amount of land.
    Everyone knows hostage families.
    Everyone knows people who were murdered on October 7.
    Everyone knows soldiers who died protecting the country.

  13. It is Mike, but where it’s heading now one knows. All can say there does seem to be a pendulum that swings back and forth, unless like the Classical World you have collapse. The world seems to dominated by two great ideologies, safety of the many vs. freedom for the individual. Neither one seems to.prevail so you have religions. I think the world is moving back to conservatism and a certain hardness, this manifestation of Liberals don’t seem to realize this.

  14. My view is the hostages were never going to be allowed to return. Their murder is the most likely end no matter what was done. Especially since no pressure to release them is being forced on Hamas.
    Sundowner’s statement is to hurt Netanyahu.

  15. What i was referring to

    https://youtu.be/PUrWvDOQWtI?si=491gz5_MMzp8MiLN

    I know matthew 24 as caveat but it feels
    real

    Orde wingate who was a iconoclast but definitely a christian trained the palmach that became the idf and of course haj amin allied themselves with the nazis and later the soviets the islamic resistance movements comes from the brotherhood on a parallel track

  16. The great Douglas Murray said in an interview with Piers Morgan that in a democracy like Israel, they have no influence (the public that is) on Hamas so the only government that they have influence on is their own, so it’s easier to turn on your own government which is susceptible to public pressure because it is a democracy instead of the enemy, such as Hamas which is committed to your destruction and you have no influence on.

  17. Ilana. Thanks for the correction. I called up google for the population and apparently they heard me asking for some other country.
    So my point is even more acute.

    So many people have been driven to emotionally discard reality that something bad is going to happen.

  18. there is a pragmatic republicanism, and then there is the utopian totalitarian state,

    cahn relies on many ancient references and brings them up to their modern equivalents in hebrew, greek latin persian et al

  19. Whole lotta people gonna have to die.

    For “humane” (read “progressive”) reasons, to be sure.
    For JUSTICE! (Oh, and HUMAN RIGHTS…)
    …Just as long as the Zionist Entity is obliterated—it’s all actually quite simple.

    (Just ask “Biden”…. Or “Harris” for that matter…if you can get a straight answer out of ’em…)

  20. The interesting thing about Wingate (AKA “The Friend”, in Zionist circles) is that he began his service in Palestine, like many in the British armed forces serving there, as sympathetic to the Arabs.

    Once his sympathies switched—a Changer!—he was mustered out of there, but not before he was able to train the Jews in anti-terrorist (or, if you will, anti-“insurgent”) tactics and create the Special Night Squads (SNS) in the mid-to-late-30s, which was the precursor of the Palmach, as miguel noted above…

  21. The only answer is to inflict such pain and suffering on the ‘Palestinian’ people that the very thought of harming a Jew makes them wet their pants.

    Every dead hostage? A ‘Palestinian’ town is leveled and incinerated.

  22. Hes a fascinating character yes his family certainly had arab sympathies and he transcended them one wonders if he had come back from burma if memory serves

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