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  1. OK, good, until he had to say Socialized Medicine is better. I hate to think how long it would have been for me to get treatment for Prostate Cancer, and my Wife this past yr for Lymphoma. I stopped the video at that point. Did he bring up Climate Change too?

  2. Yes, the socialized medicine part was Euro-BS.

    And the correct part of the above, nutrition, was common knowledge in the 70s, when I was in college. At least 3 history professors mentioned it. One got a cheer from the guys when, after he pointed out that the age of fertility went down following the Black Death, he added as an aside that college girls were notoriously poorly nourished and less fertile. (I suspect that within 15 or 20 years he’d have been reported for something.)

  3. “Long COVID” seems to be in the news a lot lately. Here’s a sample article: https://www.brookings.edu/articles/new-data-shows-long-covid-is-keeping-as-many-as-4-million-people-out-of-work/

    Two observations.

    1. I don’t see any of the articles also focusing on those claiming on-going symptoms from the vaccine; the “vaccine injured.” I know people who state that they have long COVID and I also know people who state they have chronic health issues associated with the vaccine. I can’t be that unique. If my circle of friends, family, acquaintances and co-workers has some from both group the second group must be considerable.

    2. What do we think? My gut tells me “long COVID” isn’t real, but I hesitate to pretend to know how others actually feel, or if they are genuinely suffering. In the ’80s I knew a fair amount of people who claimed they couldn’t work, or do well at work or school, because they had Epstein Barr and in the ’90s I knew people who stated identical symptoms and claimed it was related to tic borne illnesses. Long COVID sounds identical. Random, mysterious symptoms; lethargy and lack of motivation are often noted… All three also seem difficult to diagnose through double blind testing.

    In a similar manner, the number of people I know who state they have Celiac disease is far out of whack with the percentage prevalent in humans, according to the medical literature. Either there is something about me where I tend to make friends with people who have Celiacs, or there are a lot of people convinced they have Celiacs who do not, or the medical profession is way underestimating the number of people with Celiacs.

    My hunch, with Celiacs, is a fair amount of those self-diagnosing themselves as sufferers are reacting to social contagion. The higher end the restaurant and the more female the table, the greater the likelihood one or more diners will ask for a gluten-free menu.

    But the medical profession is often wrong, and can often take a long time to recognize trends. I have read a lot about gluten and bio-engineered wheat and a lot of the concern makes sense. And I know good, honest, hard working people who truly seem to be suffering from Long COVID and COVID vaccine injuries. But I also know we humans are susceptible to groupthink and panic. If we put 100 people in a room and tell them a gas was accidentally leaked into the room that often causes nausea, a certain percentage of occupants will start vomiting, even if no gas was introduced.

    So, what do we think?

  4. “Seven feet of English ground, or as much or more as he is taller than most men.”

    According to Snorri Sturlsson, this was Saxon king Harold Godwinson’s reply, just minutes before the start of the Battle of Stamford Bridge (September 1066), to his brother Tostig’s inquiry as to how much of his kingdom he was willing to give up to Harald Hardrada, the king of Norway, and his invading army.

    Harald was reputedly 7 feet tall, as the quote indicates. In antiquity and the Dark Ages the Germanic peoples (including Scandinavians) were taller and more robust than most peoples of that time — this was a general physical trait of the Indo-European peoples, who were, before becoming sedentary agriculturists, milk drinkers and meat eaters (primarily cattle, which was throughout the spectrum of Indo-European peoples a measure of wealth).

    E.g., a brief survey: The bones of a Mycenaean king in one of the royal tombs at Mycenae indicate that he was of robust build and over 6 feet tall. The Hebrew tribes after the Exodus were reluctant to venture into the lands of the Philistines, who were Achaean Greeks (Indo-Europeans of very old stock) and significantly taller than the Hebrew peoples (as they themselves admitted): Goliath, the giant Philistine warrior slain by David, was said to be “four cubits and a span” in height, i.e. 6 feet 9 inches. Porus, the King of Taxila in Northwest India, was the Aryan (i.e. Indo-European) king whom Alexander the Great defeated in the Battle of the Hydaspes: according to Arrian and other chroniclers of Alexander’s life, Porus was c. 7 feet tall. William the Conqueror was probably six feet or more; he was of course a Norman, who were a Scandinavian people. The Burgundians, a Germanic people, were famously large. Charlemange (Carolus Magnus, or Karl the Great), king of the Germanic Franks, was nearly 7 feet tall.

    And so on. The ancient Celts were tall and robust; in battle with the Celts the shorter Romans learned to thrust “up” into their armpits of Celtic warriors with their gladius short sword: this was the only effective way of dealing with them. Interestingly, in the early and middle Roman Republic, Roman legionaries, who were all required to be from property holding families, had to be at least 5’10” to serve in the army.

    The physical characteristics of Indo-European peoples is a subject I have studied (and continue to study) pursuant to my writings about chariot warfare in the Bronze Age. It is a field of study fraught with controversy, as you may imagine. I am in agreement with those historians were assert that the IE peoples were taller and more robust than most of the peoples in the regions into which the IEs migrated in the early 2nd millennium BC, and this was due to their diet which included huge quantities of beef and milk.

    The IEs were, incidentally, the only people in the deep-ancient world who could process milk; and their primeval homeland (probably) on the Pontic Steppe (or, alternately, somewhat further east in the BMAC, the “Bactria-Margiana Archaeological Text) provided endless grasslands for the pasturage needed to maintain their vast herds of cattle and horses.

    The height and build of people seems to have declined in the Middle Ages, possibly due in part to wheat supplanting meat as the staple food.

    As I said, this is all very controversial. I find the subject endlessly fascinating.

  5. Irishotter, don’t forget Edward I “Long Shanks”. But was only 6’2 (maybe taller from what I have read), but that would make him about a foot taller than his average solider.

  6. IrishOtter49,

    It is fascinating!

    Thanks for sharing that! I knew almost none of it.

    My wife’s parents are both German immigrants. Her parents are the only two in their families who left Germany. My wife is 5’6″ and her brother is 5’9″. All their German male cousins are well over 6′ and the female cousins are 5’11” – 6′. And their children have followed suit. The cousins’ parents are basically the same height as my in-laws. My wife’s mother followed a typical, German diet. My wife comments on being teased at school for having braunschweiger sandwiches when the other kids had peanut butter and jelly. Her mother bought very few processed foods; went to butchers and bakers for meat and bread.

    Her German family claims the height difference is because they do not fluoridate their water.

  7. It is a well known fact that German women lose 6″ of height and gain an average of 70lbs when they turn 40 yrs old!

  8. Roland, nephew of Charlemange, was also famously large, with an enormously long stride. (There is a boulder called the “Paso de Roldán” along the Camino de Santiago near Zubiri that according to legend marks his stride length. I couldn’t stretch that far.) The one source I found claimed Roland was eight feet tall, which seems exaggerated.

  9. When reading about human population characteristics, I often find myself making mental corrections for people’s willful ignorance of genetics, but it’s plainly true that nutrition can have a large effect on height. When I worked at a South Korean university, only a blind man could have ignored the large difference in height between students and faculty.

    Of course, in North Korea, the medicine is socialized, the farming is utopian, and the communist diet is threatened only by gluttony. Consequently, compared to the South, the people are giants of great moral character.

  10. On the RFK, Jr. thread there was some talk about credentials and whether they grant authority.

    I’m sorry to admit I was in my mid-30s when the nonsense of credentials hit me. I was touring the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Unlike a lot of the arts, I have a reasonable understanding of music and a lot of opinions on specific songs and artists. Rather quickly the absurdity hit me. The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame was a complete joke. A monument erected to give a superficial patina of credibility to people obsessed with credentials.

    The people voting artists and groups into the hall of fame are just like me; people who like music and have opinions. And then I started extending that idea. The Oscars, the Emmys, Tonys and Grammys… Pulitzers, Noble prizes on anything other than science or mathematics*. Equally meaningless.

    *Even the Economics Noble is suspect. Paul Krugman won one.

  11. many experts don’t know anything, or the wrong thing, like joseph stiglitz, who certified the wrong thing, like the subprime market or the venezuelan central bank, Fallows was watching the Japanese economy and missed the property bubble, yet he was promoted upwards, Friedman, got the particulars of Lebanon wrong, and was given
    plaudits and Book contracts, it took an israeli stringer to point out his error,

    most everyone who reported or commented on Lebanon in the 80s, Wright, Norton so did Halberstam at a critical point, Benny Morris may have gotten somethings right, but his overall approach allowed the likes of Khalidi Pappe et al, to take the field, with toxic consequences,

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/08/27/report-harris-uses-criteria-of-race-in-selection-of-interview-host/

  12. Fuking Russians and pro-Russians…

    Ukraine successfully tests its first ballistic missile

    The development comes three days after Ukraine announced it successfully launched its first missile-drone, Palyanytsia.

    Ukraine claims launch of home-made ‘Palyanytsia’ drone missile at Russia

    “We have mortar drones, artillery drones, and now, we introduce a completely new class of weapon — rocket drones,” said Kamyshin on X. “The rocket drone ‘Palyanytsia’ was successfully used today, striking a military target in temporarily occupied territory.”

    On Saturday, Russian authorities reported a massive explosion at an ammunition depot in the Voronezh region of country bordering Ukraine.

    Given a little more help and time (2-3 years?)—Ukraine could become a permanent thorn-threat to Russia.

  13. @Rufus:Even the Economics Noble is suspect. Paul Krugman won one.

    “Suspect” is right, there is no “Economics Nobel”. It is a separate award, not instituted by Nobel, awarded by the same committee at the same awards ceremony. It is actually the Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel and it was only created in 1968. You don’t even have to be a economist or do economics work to receive it, since 1994 it’s been expanded to social sciences.

  14. }}} “Because they have food to eat.”

    More AND better food.

    It is interesting to note that the latest generation of Japanese children, as they finally have a “modern, civilized” diet with plenty of access to fruits and veggies, as well as at least some (more) meat, is averaging 2-3 inches taller than their parents.

    =====
    }}} The people voting artists and groups into the hall of fame are just like me; people who like music and have opinions. And then I started extending that idea. The Oscars, the Emmys, Tonys and Grammys… Pulitzers, Noble prizes on anything other than science or mathematics*. Equally meaningless.

    *Even the Economics Noble is suspect. Paul Krugman won one.

    Yeah, I tend to agree, though I think the Physics and Chem Nobels are also worthwhile. But yeah, a lot of them are basically popularity contests.

    As to the Oscars, there are also people with power to make sure people don’t win one, if they hate them — Lauren Bacall was nominated for a Best Supporting Actress one year — this is usually used as an Emeritus award for older actors who have never won one, and she was snubbed that year, and that almost never happens with that situation. Clearly, she pissed off someone decades ago and they had no intention of letter her get one.

  15. Niketas,

    Interesting. When I ask the Internet if there is a “Nobel prize for Economics” most all the results start out by stating what you wrote. Yet, when I search, “Did Paul Krugman win a Nobel prize?”

    I get links to Princeton, the NYT, Encyclopedia Britannica, MIT…
    and all state he “won” a “Nobel prize in economics.”

    Tricky wording obfuscating reality.

  16. understandable the Nobel family was big in the explosives business, somewhat like the patriarch House of Usher, the story goes that he saw an accidental obituary, and it made him reconsider his legacy, there have been many ignoble recipients in recent times, say Arafat, in the 1994 Oslo accord, one can put Le Duc Tho in that category of wretchedness, others might just put Kissinger, there were ironic choices like Obama, considering what would happen after,

  17. but it’s plainly true that nutrition can have a large effect on height.

    The Japanese had a special name for children born/raised in WWII, they tended to be smaller than those born after on account of nutrition.

  18. RTF, on celiac disease: One of my daughters is one of those self-diagnosed celiacs. She had a wide variety of medical problems in her later teens and through her mid-twenties. Gastro specialists never suggested an elimination diet, strangely. She began by cutting out bread, and found things improved, although she still had problems. Through internet research, she and I discovered all the places gluten is hiding in American foods. Now that she is totally gluten-free her health in general, and of course her intestinal functions, are greatly improved. She suffers setbacks from even minor cross-contamination. She will never be diagnosed because she’d have to eat gluten-containing foods and get really sick for the blood to test positive.

    There are also quite a few people who are not as gluten-intolerant as my daughter but who do benefit from a generally gluten-free diet. And, as you say, there are also quite a few who only think they have a gluten problem because it’s trendy.

  19. I think you are Catholic, RTF. Catholic celiacs have real problems receiving communion, since the church insists on only wheat wafers. A diagnosed celiac at my (Anglican) church recently sampled a GF wafer produced at a convent in the Midwest, and she had a minor reaction to it.

  20. did people always have celiac disease, or this is a recently discovered condition

    I can’t imagine they had much corn in the Levant specially in that era,

  21. Another reason the height of the “average American man” has stalled out is that category probably now includes a lot of immigrants from places where the people in general are shorter, e.g. Latin America.

  22. Miguel, barley also triggers guten intolerance. The loaves which fed the multitude were barley loaves.

    Researchers think celiac prevalence may be related to the higher gluten content in modern wheat crops. Repeated exposure may trigger the allergy.

  23. @miguel:did people always have celiac disease, or this is a recently discovered condition

    Described in 1856, cause discovered in 1940s. Not trendy until the 2000s. My grandfather, born before 1910, was a lifelong sufferer and passed it on to one of my aunts.

  24. }}} there have been many ignoble recipients in recent times, say Arafat, in the 1994 Oslo accord, one can put Le Duc Tho in that category of wretchedness, others might just put Kissinger, there were ironic choices like Obama, considering what would happen after,

    I think it’s fair to put Obama in that category for his “Peace Prize”. It’s even ironic, as, later, he authorized a bombing that happened to strike at an organization that also had gotten a Peace Prize, so there’s a meme out there making fun of this by congratulating Obama on being the first Peace Prize winner to bomb another Peace Prize winner.
    😀

    Time’s ‘Man of the Year” also has a substantially ignoble history, with Hitler winning it once in the 1930s, and Stalin actually winning it twice, once in the thirties, when he was starving millions of Kulaks, and later in (IIRC) 1940 — about the time he was creating the non-aggression pact with Germany which kept them free of worrying about a two-front war (even as both of them were conniving to attack the other… In fact, Stalin was quite put out when Germany DID invade the USSR about a year later, because HE thought they had come to an accommodation, and were “friends”… even though he — Stalin — was developing plans to invade the territories in Eastern Europe which Germany had overrun.

    There is so much irony over the various individuals who have won MotY.

    }}} Another reason the height of the “average American man” has stalled out is that category probably now includes a lot of immigrants from places where the people in general are shorter, e.g. Latin America.

    Perhaps, but (speculating) there is almost certainly a notable downside to getting taller and taller — while size can be a good thing, once you get over 6’2 to 6’4, you now stand a notably higher risk of heart issues because it’s a lot more difficult to get blood to flow to that much higher places given the limits to tissue structures. So probably there is a natural limit to how tall humans can grow in a full earth gravity. Move off into space — microgravity — or to another body — mars or the moon, with shorter gravity wells — and peeps might start to grow taller in those places, though they might also stop being able to actually visit Earth as a subspecies/group.

    }}} but it’s plainly true that nutrition can have a large effect on height.

    The Japanese had a special name for children born/raised in WWII, they tended to be smaller than those born after on account of nutrition.

    One of the claims made as an alternative to dropping the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki was that we could have blockaded them, and this would be “more humane”. The problem here is that you are basically trying to starve Japan out, which would have horrific effects on millions of children during their developing years. This is more than just height reduction… if you actually starve children they can and do develop significant later-in-life issues due to the interruption of the natural flow of developing systems building.

    So, you would have condemned millions of Japanese children to starvation at the worst points of their lives possible, with life-long consequences. So: The Blockade Option is FAR less humane than suggested. It’s good to be conscious of this if someone attempts to make this argument.

  25. Kate,

    That NYP article was amusing. Quite the freak show ( not surprising) at the DNC. Too bad they make up such a large percentage of our population.

  26. She was talented. She was beautiful. But the Dancer of Auschwitz was also Jewish…a fact that was important and tragic when she found herself at the Auschwitz-Birkenau concentration camp. An Ingenious and Jewish DancerBorn in 1917, dancer Franceska Mann lived in Warsaw, Poland. In 1939, before World War II broke out, Franceska took fourth place in the international dance competition held in Brussels. The people of Poland considered her one of the most beautiful and promising dancers – both in classical and modern styles – in their country. But her Jewish faith changed that. Franceska regularly performed at Warsaw’s Melody

  27. Obama did basically agree with the popularity aspect of his prize. I remember a White House event where he introduced his energy secretary, Steven Chu, as a fellow Nobel Prize winner. He then paused a second and said, referring to Chu. “He deserved his”.

  28. @ObloodyHell:Time’s ‘Man of the Year” also has a substantially ignoble history, with Hitler winning it once in the 1930s,

    Time’s “Man of the Year” was not intended to be praise. Luce intended it to be the man who, for better or worse, drove the news for the year. I’ve looked up that issue of Time. The cover caption is “From the unholy organist, a hymn of hate.” Not exactly praise. The accompanying article is also not praise. You can look it up yourself, but an excerpt follows:

    Germany’s 700,000 Jews have been tortured physically, robbed of homes and properties, denied a chance to earn a living, chased off the streets. Now they are being held for “ransom,” a gangster trick through the ages. But not only Jews have suffered. Out of Germany has come a steady, ever-swelling stream of refugees, Jews and Gentiles, liberals and conservatives, Catholics as well as Protestants, who could stand Naziism no longer. TIME’S cover, showing Organist Adolf Hitler playing his hymn of hate in a desecrated cathedral while victims dangle on a St. Catherine’s wheel and the Nazi hierarchy looks on, was drawn by Baron Rudolph Charles von Ripper (see p. 20), a Catholic who found Germany intolerable. Meanwhile, Germany has become a nation of uniforms, goose-stepping to Hitler’s tune, where boys of ten are taught to throw hand grenades, where women are regarded as breeding machines. Most cruel joke of all, however, has been played by Hitler & Co. on those German capitalists and small businessmen who once backed National Socialism as a means of saving Germany’s bourgeois economic structure from radicalism. The Nazi credo that the individual belongs to the state also applies to business. Some businesses have been confiscated outright, on others what amounts to a capital tax has been levied. Profits have been strictly controlled. Some idea of the increasing Governmental control and interference in business could be deduced from the fact that 80% of all building and 50% of all industrial orders in Germany originated last year with the Government. Hard-pressed for foodstuffs as well as funds, the Nazi regime has taken over large estates and in many instances collectivized agriculture, a procedure fundamentally similar to Russian Communism.

  29. Re: Nutrition and height

    Of course, if one goes far enough back in time one discovers that Cro-Magnon humans were taller than modern humans.

    The difference in nutrition is that Cro-Magnons did not eat grains, dairy or refined sugars — what we call the “paleo diet” today.

    Agriculture allowed humans to build civilizations, but wreaked a certain amount of havoc on our caveman metabolisms.

    These days I eat a relaxed paleo diet. I allow myself some bread and cheese, not a lot. On Sundays I allow myself some sweets, though over time they have become less attractive.

    My allergies and sweet tooth are mostly gone. I don’t seem to get colds as often. However, I’m still no taller.

    Thoughty2 has a good run-down:

    –Thoughty2, “10,000 Years Ago We Stopped Eating This And It Was a Huge Mistake
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqyFHZLI7ME

  30. @Steve:Obama did basically agree with the popularity aspect of his prize.

    I had the sense he was embarrassed by it and saw no good way of turning it down.

    Bill Clinton would have sold his soul for a Nobel Peace Prize, tried so hard to set himself up with peace accords, and then he had to watch Obama just get handed one. (Maybe Clinton did sell his soul and didn’t carefully parse the wording of what was promised.)

  31. They were bigger because they had more first order brutal existence

    Just a group that threw rocks would not have to be as big if in groups and they coordinate at all…

    It’s why we are seldom ruled by physicaal brutes
    They are usually hires

  32. Kate,

    I found a link to that article elsewhere. It is good! When I scanned past the headline to read it I notice a female name. After finishing the article I thought, “Wow! Who is the woman who wrote this. She’s good!” So I scrolled back up and clicked on it and was disappointed to learn she is not American. I should have known no U.S. educated journalism major could write like that.

    Batya Ungar-Sargon and Salena Zito are great, insightful, female, American journalists. And Ann Coulter can write sarcasm as well as Camilla Long, but combining insight with sarcasm? Mark Steyn, Charles Cooke, Camilla Long. U.S. journalism lags far behind the U.K.

  33. Go fight a group of makaks by yourself and see what happens
    They ain’t big
    But you will lose parts and barely affect them
    Chimps too

    Oh.. and note brachial monkeys can bench 600lbs
    But… are not dominant once brains appears

    See pinky n the brain…heh

  34. @artodger:Stalin n Mao won other years

    Might be a good idea to do your own reading and not let people mislead you. Mao was never Man of the Year. Trump “won” in 2016. Like I said, it’s not intended to be an honor. Stalin’s 1939 Man of the Year was due to his pact with Hitler which Time recognized as an evil act:

    But if, in the jungle that is Europe today, the Man of 1939 gained large slices of territory out of his big deal, he also paid a big price for it. By the one stroke of sanctioning a Nazi war and by the later strokes of becoming a partner of Adolf Hitler in aggression, Joseph Stalin threw out of the window Soviet Russia’s meticulously fostered reputation of a peace-loving, treaty-abiding nation. By the ruthless attack on Finland, he not only sacrificed the good will of thousands of people the world over sympathetic to the ideals of Socialism, he matched himself with Adolf Hitler as the world’s most hated man.

    Stalin’s 1942 Man of the Year was because of the Eastern Front:

    Had German legions swept past steelstubborn Stalingrad and liquidated Russia’s power of attack, Hitler would have been not only man of the year, but he would have been undisputed master of Europe, looking for other continents to conquer. He could have diverted at least 250 victorious divisions to new conquests in Asia and Africa. But Joseph Stalin stopped him. Stalin had done it before—in 1941—when he started with all of Russia intact. But Stalin’s achievement of 1942 was far greater. All that Hitler could give he took—for the second time.

    Like I said, the point is to identify the person who made the biggest news for good or bad, it’s not a prize for accomplishment or good behavior.

  35. The 34th First Annual Ig Nobel Prize ceremony will be held on September 12, 2024 in lecture hall 10-250 at MIT. Free with Museum admission

    The ceremony is known for its running jokes, including Miss Sweetie Poo, a little girl who cries out “Please stop: I’m bored” if speakers go on too long. The ceremony also traditionally ends with the words, “If you didn’t win a prize—and especially if you did—better luck next year!”

  36. Sorry confused with Mao Tse-Tung | Dec. 1, 1958 cover and persimmon of the year
    Chiang Kai-shek and Soong May-ling, 1937

    Under this Man & Wife the traditionally disunited Chinese people — millions of whom seldom used the word ‘China’ in the past — have slowly been given national consciousness,” wrote TIME in its cover story. “No woman in the West holds so great a position as Mme Chiang Kai-shek holds in China.” The magazine later wrote, “It was the crusade to impose unity on the sprawling nation of China that occupied Chiang throughout his career — a task at which he proved ultimately unsuccessful.”

    My bad…

  37. @artodger:millions of whom seldom used the word ‘China’ in the past

    lol they still don’t. There’s multiple ways to refer to China but China does not have a name in Chinese languages. They describe China as “The Center”, “Civilization”, or “All Under the Sky.” The word “China” comes to English via India, as so many of our words involving China do.

    The literal translation for what we call “People’s Republic of China” is something like “Republic of the People of the Central Civilization”.

  38. As a general rule, the upper classes have been taller. I recall a dig in England trying to figure if the 1000 AD graveyard contained monks or nobles. Being taller than the average Anglo-Saxon of the time, they had to be upper class, the origin of either group. If there were healed or unhealed wounds, those would be nobles. The height thing was a given.
    Asked about the question with regard to the Mound Builders. Seems true there. Big shot graves contain larger people.
    Saw a picture of the Gloucestershire Regiment marching to embark for Korea. Files of enlisted men back into the distance. At one side, each ten ranks or so, was an officer, invariably taller than the Other Ranks.
    Apparently was the case in Europe until late Fifties.
    Pre and post natal nutrition.

  39. Niketas 345pm. I may be misremembering, but I recall Clinton, maybe in private but leaked, saying that he regretted that there was not some global crisis during his reign in which he could have shown his true mettle.

  40. I’m 6’2″ and, living in mid-Michigan, could usually count on being the tallest guy in any room.
    Now, in west Michigan with a strong Dutch influence, that is no longer the case, not at all.
    American average height might be a bit different if it didn’t include Hispanics and Asians. Their height owes nothing to any of the factors covered in the presentation, and, to the extent that influences our average height, it makes the result not actually relevant.

  41. Niketas Choniates @ 3:45,

    “… no good way of turning it down.”

    I don’t understand? You simply refuse to accept it. Many honorees have turned down many awards.

  42. Re: Nobel Prize refusals

    * Jean-Paul Sartre (Literature, 1964)
    * Le Duc Tho (Peace, 1973)
    * Boris Pasternak (Literature, 1958)

    The reasons for each were different and somewhat complex.

    Some musicians have refused or not appeared for induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, including Mark Knopfler.

  43. WHERE IS THE VOTE FRAUD GOING TO COME FROM THIS YEAR?
    Elizabeth Nickson shares some insights that help narrow down this blob of “cocktail of methods,” as Patrick Byrne terms it.

    EXCERPT FROM HER substack:

    “There are 1000 ways to commit election fraud and we know all of them.

    “After engineer and data scientist Kim Brooks worked on cleaning the voter rolls in Georgia for a year, she realized she was on a stationary bicycle. She’d clear a name for various reasons, dead, felon, stolen ID, living at a seasonal campground for twenty years, duplicate, moved out of state, 200 years old, etc., and back it would come within a month. At that juncture she realized that a program within the Georgia voter registration database was methodically adding back fake names.

    “She looked deeper. For new registrants, the culprit was principally Driver’s Services creating new registrations and in this case, the manufacturer was a person, or persons.

    “Within the government office, someone was stealing names and duplicating, even tripling that person’s vote and then forging their signature. Sometimes it was someone who just died, or a teacher who had no voting record. In the case of a nurse who died in 2022 with three registrations, she was registered to vote in two counties, and all three of her voted in the 2022 election and the 2024 primary. Each signature was slightly different, the last three letters spelled, ly, ley, and lley

    “This operation works under AVR, or automatic voter registration, and is being used to register migrants. They will not vote, but their names have been entered into the Voter Registration database when they apply for a driver’s license and their vote will be voted for them.

    “I imagine that this is repeating something everyone knows, but the borders are open for precisely this reason, so the Democrat/RINO machine can steal their votes. By the way, the process for advancing permanent residency has been cut from 11 months to two.

    “In 2020, twenty states used operation AVR. Of those, Trump lost 18.

    “That’s because there are registration fraud rings, as identified in the Arabella doc. and in the work of Omega4America. This worked well in Michigan….”

    Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, similarly.
    https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4261181/posts

    Add these to your list of reasons for regarding the Biden-Harris regime as illegitimate— FAKE! A fraud. Like I do.

    Nickson summarises this years outlook:

    “What we are observing is a coalition shift from wised up voters recognizing that the Uniparty is there to serve itself.

    “And the Uniparty is fighting back hard. While most of this steal is operated out of the Democrat political shops, the RINOS are all in, and I suspect embedded deep in Trump’s campaign. Easier to loot the public during a Democrat regime while voicing all the right frustrations very very loudly, with a subtext of extreme weakness, requiring ever more money.”

    “Everyone who has dug into election fraud has come to the same conclusion. At the coal face, with the assistance of literally tens of thousands of NGO’s funded by the usual suspects, the government is running the show. The county clerks, the lawyers and judges, various functionaries are the ones stealing the election. Some of them are unwitting, many not. All are breaking federal law.”

    REMEDIES? TexasAG Paxton’s spearheaded lawsuit will be filed again at SCOTUS.

    MY hope is that they declare free and fair elections a federal right, permitting the voter ps to sue state and local off

  44. Of course, SCOTUS will not — and may again deny standing, mooting the case.

    Knowing this, the best prep is to organise MASS NOISE, as well as to gather documentation of all visible vote fraud activity. And educate, educate, educate about what’s coming. Then, pray.

    There are heroes in this story. Read the rest to know some.

    “I am pretty sure all hell is going to break loose in November. Hundreds of thousands of Americans are working to prevent the cheat, the Trump team is fielding 100,000 observers alone. But the regime is ahead of them by miles and is funded by an estimated $4 billion. Equally, if they lose, a lot of them will be charged with election crimes. Absurdistan plans to cover this story relentlessly, because we are supremely pissed off. If the decision takes three months after November, because of the challenges, if you come here, you will know what is happening. Who are the players, who are the heroes, what are the issues, who is using which method where?

    Please consider supporting my work.”

  45. To sum up. My turn. If you were paying attention in 2020 — if you hoped for a different outcome than Lucy managed with Charlie Brown’s football kicks — you are likely a fool.

    But if you expect much of the same, only BIGGER, louder — and longer! “And uncut!!!” Then you may keep both your sanity and sense of humor.

    The end for oligarchies comes swiftly, but not always because their self-interested perceptions conflict, and thus they eliminate their opposition.

    The simplest end is a direct coup d’état. But given this multi-headed monster is Hydra-like, and regrows, is such a thing even possible?

    ANYONE care to outline other possible scenarios?

  46. T J:

    I’m the guy wearing rose-colored spectacles here. I believe Trump will win. However, I have no idea what might happen after that.

    I worry about it.

  47. My favorite comment from the video:

    @ThisisalGOOGLESCHANNEL
    7 years ago
    they were actually the same height as modern people but built tiny doorways to mess with historians

  48. hi huxley. I caught this Friday AG Garland news conference OUTRAGE, buried on Friday before the Holiday began.

    My concern was “Would anyone notice?” And raise the alarm? That the 1500 J6 prosecutions are really Big Brother’s intimidation gambit? In order to stanch the clear-minded into submission of His Big Bro Thumb, if we dare question Big Brother’s fake-n-bake ballot-stuffing election scam!

    Well. Someone has noticed and gathers some solid voices on the subject at The Federalist — just these 6 paragraphs make the case:

    Speaking at a press briefing, Garland essentially said the Jan. 6 prosecutions should serve to remind Americans what happens if they raise questions about an election.

    “I think our prosecutions have made clear what we think about people who try to interfere with the peaceful transfer of power, which is [an] essential and fundamental element of our democracy. A quibble about whether we have 1,500 or slightly less than 1,500 — but we have way more than 1400 now — prosecutions. We have a substantial number of convictions,” Garland boasted.

    “I think that’s shown to everybody how seriously we take an effort to interfere with the peaceful transfer of power the last January 6, the coming January 6, and every January 6 after that,” he continued. “I want to make clear to anybody who is thinking about interfering with that: They can see what we’ve done with respect to the January 6 prosecutions, and [the] Justice Department will continue to protect our democracy.”

    Director at Big Data Poll Richard Baris explained in a post on X why Garland’s comments are so alarming.

    “This is what 50% of the country heard from Garland. ‘We’re gonna steal this election and if you try to fight us, we’ll put you in prison.’ God this country is totally corrupt,” he wrote.

    “DOJ prosecutors and DC judges are warning that the hammer will come down on any American who protests the 2024 election results,” echoed independent journalist Julie Kelly on X after Garland made his press conference statement. “They treat J6ers like mass murderers,” she continued, citing comments from Obama-appointed District Judge Tanya Chutkan “lecturing a J6 protestor convicted of a misdemeanor.”

    I’M OUTRAGED AT THE SHAMELESSNESS OF THESE LITTLE hitler’s — and literally “little” in Garland’s case.

    Prepare! PREPARE!!
    For the battle is coming.
    MORE at https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4261243/posts

    I don’t know if it is paranoia or rumour at X, but another poster at FreeRepublic says he read posts that say Garland is preparing J6 style intimidation indictments to be unveiled in September against the Republican Congress!

    Up to 100 R Congressmen — specifically mentioning Marjorie Taylor Green.

    I’m sure intimidating EVERY contributor to every Congressman of her defiant ilk and INTIMIDATING them to stay silent is on the Deep States’s agenda, even if this rumour proves false.

    Big Bother HATES The New American Revolutionary’s, and needs to ID them before the coming “selection” outrage goes kinetic — which comes in November.

    Re-read your Declaration of Independence, about the People’s Right to Alter or Abolish the government that is destructive of these just ends.

    WE MUST BE STRONG ABOUT WHAT IS AT STAKE, AND DECLARE WHAT THEY ARE TEARING UP!

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