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Open thread 8/15/24 — 41 Comments

  1. My first inclination was 5 and then I didnt know what to think. Thats why I hated true/false questions. Paralysis by analysis.

  2. US officials: IDF has exhausted military possibilities in Gaza:
    https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/394667

    Insane, to put it simply. A goddamn lie, to clarify just a tiny bit.

    Senior American officials told the New York Times, against the backdrop of the summit in Qatar, that the IDF has reached the end of its path in Gaza.

    “Israel has achieved everything it can militarily in Gaza,” they added, “Israel’s ability to further weaken Hamas has diminished.”

    According to the officials, the IDF can now move freely across Gaza, and Hamas has been significantly harmed. Additionally, the Times noted the IDF’s assessment that approximately 14,000 terrorists were killed or captured during the war. “Hamas has largely been depleted, but it has not been eliminated – and it is possible that the Israelis will never manage to destroy it,” said Ralph Guoff, a former senior CIA official who served in the Middle East.

    At least there’s a slight — if yet waffling — counterbalance included:

    In the article, retired Major General Yaakov Amidror, former head of Netanyahu’s National Security Council, was also quoted as saying that, “Israel’s achievements in Gaza are impressive but far from what needs to be achieved. If Israel withdraws its forces now, within a year Hamas will be strong again. Stopping the war now would be a disaster; two or three more months of intense fighting in central and southern Gaza are needed. After this stage, Israel can move to intelligence-based raids for a year to take out the remaining Hamas militants and weapon infrastructure before another entity assumes local control.”

    For a more synoptic view see Andrew Fox’s article in Tablet Mag, “The IDF’s Boot Is On Hamas’ Throat”, Aug. 12, 2024: https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/israel-military-victory-gaza-hamas

  3. Basically, each machine takes 5 minutes to make one donut, so the 5 machines make 5 donuts in the same time. You increase the number of machines to 100, and at the initial rate of 1 donut in 5 minutes, your output is 100 donuts in the 5 minute period. So the answer to “how long?” is 5 minutes.

  4. Nonapod, remember when Nixon imposed wage and price controls?

    Didn’t work then either. But then the American public has come a long way in accepting government control.

    My fear is we’ve reached a tipping point of Americans not only accepting but benefiting from government payments and want more government and less capitalism.

  5. Caroline Glick

    Kamala Harris on the US’s official twitter feed in Farsi from Feb. 2022 talks trash about the U.S. to the Iranian people.
    From Google translate:
    “The truth is: there is racial discrimination in America. There is xenophobia in America. Anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, homophobia, transphobia, they all exist. Dealing with injustice wherever it is is an ongoing activity.”

    https://x.com/CarolineGlick/status/1824099439041999302?t=Pyit-lIoT8VAWsbb-nz4eA&s=19

  6. Under Nixon’s price controls certain items disappeared from stores. Coffee, for one. It got ugly.

  7. Another+Mike is correct. One donut every 5 minutes. Asking that of people with a box of donuts RIGHT THERE is a dirty trick.

  8. I’ve been partaking in some evening social gatherings at bars that host trivia contests. One of the moderators runs a bit more intelligent contest and I’ve noticed that some or many people don’t really know how to break down a more complex query.

    What’s the premise? Break that down if needed. Focus carefully on providing the correct information for the answer. Are there clues or hints in the question?

    In the video, if you break down the premise you can create a mental picture of one machine making a one donut in 5 minutes. From that point on, the rest is trivial.

  9. Media cheerleading for wage and price controls and the anointed Dem leader is not a new thing and worked very well on the Greatest Generation.

    The NRA glorified there at the link is not the National Rifle Association, of course, but the National Recovery Administration. Directed by General Hugh Johnson, it was intended to free us from, in his words,

    the murderous doctrine of savage and wolfish individualism, looking to dog-eat-dog and devil take the hindmost.

    Businesses rushed to show their support, and in fact the Philadelphia Eagles were named to honor it in 1933. Most supported it because they were eager to do their bit, and some out of fear of boycotts or violence. The Supreme Court decided it was unconstitutional in 1935.

    In some of the things we’re seeing today, we’ve been here before and worked our way back. Though of course we’re still stuck with a great deal of what Roosevelt set up.

  10. If you restate the problem as “9 women make 9 babies in 9 months, how many months does it take 100 women to make 100 babies” the answer is more obvious, because you already know that 9 women can’t make 1 baby in 1 month and so you save a step in the reasoning (you may not be sure about the donut machines so you have to demonstrate that).

    If you set up the ratios and you don’t neglect the units it’s easy to solve without having to think about it or getting confused.

  11. Solving the problem in the video is extremely simple, but people don’t really listen and they jump to conclusions instead.

  12. I’m very proud of an article my thirty-one year-old daughter, Greta, wrote for Evie Magazine:

    https://www.printfriendly.com/p/g/pyR54S

    The title of the article is “Hindsight is 2020: Tales from Tim Walz’s Minnesota during America’s Crises.”

    Greta lived on Chicago Avenue, ten blocks north of what is now George Perry Floyd Jr. Place during the riots of 2020. She gives the personal impact of Walz’s leadership on our once-fine state.

    It’s a good read, but I guess I am rather partial to the author.

  13. In high school the teacher set the problem: take a sphere and remove an inscribed cylinder 6″ in length, what is the remaining volume? I immediately wrote down the answer.

    Then there the bee problem: four bees are located on the corners of a square one meter on a side. If they all fly towards the neighboring bee in a contra-clockwise direction at one meter per second, how long does it take until they meet? A related, but more difficult variant, is to put the bees on the vertices of a regular tetrahedron.

  14. Iran is dictating the Harris/Biden role in the Gaza thing. I don’t understand why they persist in Obama’s strategy after all this failure. If the Democrat Party were America’s enemy, what would they do differently?

  15. The difficulty people have with that problem is that it is a WORD problem – the toughest kind for the average person.
    It can take a very gifted teacher, capable of helping kids learn how to THINK their way through the problems, to end up with successful students.
    Now, there is something for some degree of rote learning in math – some operations are best done by teaching kids to recognize types/patterns of problems, and apply a well-practiced algorithm to it.
    And, it can take a long time to develop what you might call “number sense”. But, when kids do reach that point, they will, more often than not, find future math classes easy.
    I taught chemistry for some years. The hardest part of teaching that subject is that MOST of the math came in the form of story or word problems. Most kids just want to manage to get the right answer. They are reluctant to complete variations on the problems, over and over again.
    But, that is essential – it’s only after going through the process more than once/multiple times that they begin to say, “hey, I’ve seen this type of problem before” and be able to set it up for solving with ease.
    It’s similar to sports or the arts – you have to practice the same moves, over and over again, until you develop muscle memory.
    With math, you get a ‘feel’ for how such a problem might be tackled, from your many previous experiences.

  16. IrishOtter: “They told me there would be no math.”

    LOL. And here’s the “math” version:

    1 donut/machine/5min = inverting gives 5 machine min/donut. So multiply using 100 donuts for 100 machines to cancel the units:

    (5 machine min/donut)* (100donuts/100machine)= 5 min

    100 donuts with 100 machines just multiplies the rate of production by 1.

    Sorry, couldn’t help myself.

  17. Ask Kamala. If she gets it right I’ll vote for her – swearsies!

    The answer is “MAGA”!
    “Make A Gazillion And…”

  18. The donut question is a trick question. The answer is unsolvable, until the interviewer specifies how the 5 machines in the example were operated.

    Did they all start at once, together? Or did they run in sequence, one after the other? One has to be given the assumption in order to solve the problem.

    If the answer is, ‘they all run together simultaneously’, then the answer is obvious. One machine takes five minutes to make one donut. Any number of machines, X, started together, take five minutes to make X donuts.

    Too bad about all those people whose answer was captured on video.

  19. No, you don’t have to know how the donut machines work, because the question doesn’t ask how long it would take one machine to produce one donut. Fortunately, 100 is a multiple of 5, so just imagine 20 groups of 5 machines running concurrently.

  20. 5 machines, 5 minutes, 5 donuts.

    The number of machines and donuts mean that each machine makes one donut. The five minutes is cumulative, 5 machines, one minute each is five minutes.

    So, 100 machines make 100 donuts in 100 minutes. But only a single minute passes time because the machines make them concurrently.

  21. 100 machines make 100 donuts in 5 minutes. Each machine makes 1 donut every 5 minutes. Why would they be cumulative?

  22. A bat and a ball together cost $1.10. The bat costs $1.00 more than the ball. How much does the ball cost?

  23. I ate a doughnut at work today, so I have a very personal stake in this question. (Also, when I came by to get my doughnut, that particular box still had 11 out of 12 doughnuts in it. If I walk over there tomorrow morning, I wonder if there’ll still be any left.) Anyway, I took the blueberry one, though I did consider the chocolate-with-sprinkles.

  24. @Dax: Where are you getting bats and balls at these prices?

    $(Bat) + $(Ball) = $1.10
    $(Bat) = $1.00 + $(Ball)
    $1.00 + $(Ball) + $(Ball) = $1.10

    The numerical answer is left as an exercise.

  25. @ Jim Melcher – great article by your daughter, and she added a few details about Walz’s tyranny that I hadn’t seen before.

  26. Jim Melcher,
    Great article – you must be so proud of your girl! I’m glad she stuck to her guns – the pressure on the younger set to ‘go along to get along’ was immense.

  27. Thanks, everyone! Greta thanks you too. She is just now starting into labor with her second boy. Wife and I are over to babysit boy #1.

    I shared all your comments with her.

  28. Kind of depends. I saw a donut machine kicking out donuts–fresh dough headed for the fryer–about every ten seconds.
    So I’d be inclined to ask if he meant “five per minute”, since the question, given my memory, could be taken to mean that. The phrasing is clear, except if you have my mental picture. One per minute doesn’t seem like much of a machine.

  29. Greta’s article is good. Somebody with a doll of Fauci is….on the wrong planet.

    May have said it before but….
    An anthropologist whose name I cannot recall said all old pagan religions were about controlling one’s circumstances. If the guy in charge of rain wouldn’t put out when you sacrifice a stringy chicken, you up the sacrifice. Still no joy. Eventually, in desperation, you pitch somebody’s kid into the nearest volcano. And it rains. It always rains because people don’t live where it never rains. So….the Big Sacrifice worked.
    And so perhaps it’s human nature to want to sacrifice something serious when catastrophe looms. If Covid had been cured by two aspirin, where would be the fun?
    In addition, some people want to be forced to do stupid stuff, the dumber the better, and others want other people forced to do stupid stuff and….Covid worked. The real villain was DeSantis because he didn’t make people do stupid stuff. Putting the infected into nursing homes…..yawn.

    As to the Floyd thing, an immense number of people seem to want to be made crazy under the guise of righteousness. Huge number. And they don’t want inconvenient facts. As far as I could tell from the trial, the cops’ body cams had Chauvin’s knee on Floyd’s back near the shoulder. Try telling that to the just and the righteous. Either they reject it or consider it irrelevant to their righteous outrage.
    It’s a hard lesson to learn, but Greta and family are better off without these folks in their circle.

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