Trump wants another debate
Trump says he wants another debate, this time with no moderators or rules. I say be careful what you wish for. I think he’s banking on the idea that the proposal won’t be accepted:
This won’t happen, of course. Whoever is pulling Joe Biden’s strings, and that is very likely (let’s say this quietly) Jill Biden, would never let befuddled old Joe anywhere near such an event. But watch for Trump to keep needling him over it, and to use the refusal as another data point for Biden’s manifestly obvious unfitness to serve.
But Joe has nowhere to go but up after the first debate. Maybe Trump should just leave it the way it is, with Biden’s revealing and embarrassing performance in that encounter.
Then again, Trump is a risk-taker.
But many people have observed that the rules and moderators in the first debate actually favored Trump in that they made him look more restrained and presidential. He didn’t need to torment Biden or browbeat him; just letting Biden talk was enough.
It’s the old ” Don’t let them up for air” I’m in agreement with neo on this one though.
Wait, I thought the next debate has already been set for September 10 on ABC? Or has that now changed? I certainly wouldn’t be surprised if it had.
I actually disagree. I think there’s still plenty of air beneath Joe Biden. The most obvious reason I say that is that mental acuity and communication issues like the ones that are clearly plaguing Joe Biden generally don’t get better over time at his advance age. If anything, they only get worse. As we’ve seen, Biden may be able to maintain a level of coherence for a short time, but the longer he speaks the greater the chance he’ll say something nonsensical and bizarre.
https://www.breitbart.com/2024-election/2024/07/05/poll-donald-trump-leads-kamala-harris-by-more-than-he-leads-joe-biden/
Trump and all of his supporters number one priority right now needs to be doing everything possible to keep Biden as the nominee because he is the only person Trump has even a small chance of beating.
@Griffin
I’m sure Hillary Clinton would have loved to know that. Also before you try and dodge by claiming she’s not a candidate or won’t be the democrat nominee….
A: You didn’t talk about his ability to defeat possible Dem candidates or their prospective nominees, you talked about his chance of beating a “person.” Considering Trump already beat Hillary years before, that doesn’t work.
B: Am I really supposed to believe the likes of Kamala is so much stronger than Biden, in spite of being put there precisely to safeguard him?
But on the whole I agree it’d be beneficial to keep Biden in the nominee spot and in the limelight.
Turtler,
Yes, Kamala would have a far greater chance of winning than Biden. The media will go all in on her and she will be a cross between Rosa Parks and Harriet Tubman by November and she will eat into Trump’s theoretical gains in the black vote and she will also only increase the Democrats advantage with the female vote.
Trump’s supposed lead right now is very little about him and really all about Biden and again when Harris is the nominee the media will go into full revisionist mode about how Kamala disagreed with this policy and that policy and she was very concerned by Biden’s mental state but so greatly respected him and blah, blah, blah.
Plus as I’ve said here before the age issue gets flipped without Biden. Suddenly an elderly president will be the worst thing ever.
And I should have added that Harris has to be the nominee so I shouldn’t have said ‘person’ and should have said Harris.
No the lead is based on the issues is the food going to be cheaper streets safer will we not be teetering toward a third war in the china straits
https://x.com/RNCResearch/status/1809310956029178257/video/1
@Griffin
That’s what I would have thought at first, and maybe that’s true.
But here’s the thing: The left’s major power brokers like Obama (one of the most racist people to hold the Presidency since the seventies and no uncritical lover of Biden) clearly do not think so, in spite of having close contact with her and access to resources and information we can only dream of. It’s one reason why Clyburn had to go out by publicly objecting to any idea of setting her aside, which you generally don’t have to do with strong candidates, especially not the possibility of having your first “Woman POC President.”
Moreover as a native born Californian it is worth underlining that Kamala’s corruption and tough on crime, tough on drugs posturing have eroded her good will among the Black Vote and locals.
Inability to even consider those possibilities I think speaks to a grave analytical problem.
So I think the Powers that Be believe she is a gamble at best to replace Biden and sizable factions want her out of the running altogether, while even those in favor of her like Clyburn have to fight a campaign of whispers in a rearguard action to argue against it.
Blatantly untrue.
Even the raw, official statistics from 2016 and 2020 Presidential Elections underline this is flatly not true, with the latter being especially notable since it came before 4 years of Biden increasingly losing his stuff in public and at a time when Trump lost (at least the official counts) but said official counts still point to significant voter turnout and R gains with “minorities.”
One does not to be a member of the Church of the God-Emperor Donald Trump, One and Only Savior of America to observe these, since the mostly leftist preponderance of bureaucrats and statisticians that compiled these figures certainly weren’t.
This is very true, and they’re also go full revisionist into how weak or strong she is. But they’re going to have to turn on a dime and cover up a lot of angry interest groups about things like her incarceration rate, and also deal with the public climbdown from “Joe is the Smartest man in the Room!” to “Joe is unfit for Purpose, vote Kamala.”
If they thought the latter was a clear road to victory, I’m pretty sure they’d have worked harder to take it before, including with attempts at Article 25 or “convenient” leaks about the Biden Family Business. That people like Obama do not believe so in spite of often being incredibly racialist and “progressive” I think says something. Whether it’d say enough or if it is even correct is something we can debate (in a way you really CAN’T claim that Trump’s vote gains among minorities are “all about Joe” because then you get slammed by the statistics).
But it is there.
That’s true and would be a benefit, and we’d have to see how things go on the debates and campaigns. But we’d also have to factor in that Kamala has few outright loyalists and has been known to be a corrupt cold fish, even among her peers.
Fair enough there, but that brings us back to the fact that Carville and Obama and many of the most prominent of Dem Party powerbrokers are conspicuous in their absence from joining with that consensus.
Trump needs to challenge ” The Border Czar” VP Harris to a debate. Do not let people forget she was appointed ” Border Czar”.
Also Trump needs to play up Biden’s changes to Title IX going into effect in August. Talk about Girl’s sports teams and locker rooms .
I don’t trust polling but I guess if you are going to trust it a little then the Trump vs. Biden polling should be the most accurate but all of this theoretical Trump vs. Harris/Newsom/Whitmer etc stuff is complete nonsense.
There is virtually no hardcore Democrat that will vote for Trump over Biden but there are some of these squishy types that will abandon Biden for Trump but I have serious doubts (because I know a few) whether they would go for Trump over Harris.
This is all so uncertain but the one thing that is certain is people have made up their minds on Trump one way or the other and the same definitely cannot be said about Harris.
While I think that Trump has a better chance against Biden than most other potential Democrats at this point, there is a part of me that thinks there would be some kind of cosmic justice in dragging Biden out of the Presidency thru the 25th.
@Griffin
A few issues here.
Firstly: I was primarily making reference not to “polls” but to the official election results filed. I don’t trust those for various reasons (especially in 2020) but they are different from polls and have far more legal power.
Secondly: I don’t trust polling in general, or at least not the polling we can see (which brings us back to the fact that whatever high power and fairly high precision polling firms the Left has running scenarios behind the scenes about things like a Kamala Presidency are not turning up landslides that we’d expect would have been more likely to see them try and push to oust Biden for her by now).
HOWEVER I don’t think they would be terribly likely to have consistently *over*reported Trump’s performance among “minorities” (and especially male ones). That’s generally not what propaganda polls by the Left in this country do. Which is why I generally take them as a bottom line estimate or at least sub-average indicator of Trump’s actual progress there.
I by and large don’t go off of public polls, except MAYBE in terms of broad trends where there’s agreement as sort of a weathervane. But I generally prefer discarding them on the whole, except as “What are these leftists trying to make us believe?”
However, I do think polling is very important for what goes behind the scenes, and I think the actions (or lack thereof) are quite telling in a way most newspaper polls simply are not. It points to an obvious lack of confidence by Obama and co in her, which undermined the anti-Biden camp’s efforts to get him out and helped strengthen Joe and Jill’s efforts to glom onto what power they have for longer.
That tells me that the Left is not confident about their ability to elect St. Kamala Parks-Tubman. That and the fact that, again, Biden is one of the people who beat her out in the 2020 primaries (which while far more undemocratic than the Republican ones do point to how she lacked a strong base).
Again, maybe I’m wrong and she will win a 50 state sweep. But even if that DID turn out to be the case, it seems pretty clear that for now, that’s not the outcome most Leftist powerbrokers are anticipating if she ran at the head of the ticket. And that’s putting it mildly. And if American politics has degenerated to the point where we have to go into Kremlinology style Entrail Readings to anticipate the attitudes and actions of the Left and Deep State, then I think that the evidence indicating lack of confidence in Kamala – even against Trump – is very telling.
I don’t know, but the more important factor would be those staying home in protest. But Kamala’s subpar relations with the “African-American Community” and so on also help.
I’m not even so certain about that, but that is largely true. However, it does not seem that those in the best position to know and anticipate how people would make up their minds regarding Kamala anticipate they would make up their minds positively. Especially not given things like her inappropriate cackling on live TV and the fact that she is supposedly “Border Czar” during the time when this crisis is starting to hit places like Manhattan and even Martha’s Vineyard.
Turtler,
I don’t really disagree with much of what you’re saying I just think that Trump has benefitted greatly from this election being more about Biden and less about him and with Harris or anyone else some of that is lost and in a close election that may be the difference.
I don’t think a added debate where Biden makes a spectacle of himself would help much. It might be perceived as Trump picking on a cripple, and make Biden seem to be a victim. I don’t want Biden to appear a martyr.
https://x.com/a_newsman/status/1809324779909824573
Today’s news reports have it that Dopey Joe spoke to a “rally” of 300Dems last night in uber-Leftist Madison Wisconsin. That is the best our Dem. POTUS can do in Leftist Land!!
Trump draws tens of thousands to his rallies. Every doggone time, despite his ongoing persecution in a sham criminal trial run by Democrats against THE Republican presidential candidate.
Don’t forget, Fani is still the DA of Fulton County, Georgia, the so-called heart of black America, despite her offensive and unbecoming conduct.Hiring her screwer, Wade, at $650K per year to “report” to her. I do not believe the title, lover, applies to one or more pigs in rut.
Turtler makes an excellent point about internal polls. If they showed Harris outperforming Biden, we’d have seen the “revelations” about Biden’s increasing dementia a lot sooner.
Have we reached the point where Trump running his mouth as in the old days has no effect? I kind of think so, but still would like to see some restraint, even if imposed.
Trump held his tongue during the debate. He’ll continue to run his mouth at rallies. It’s red meat forost of those attending. But he appears to have (wisely, imo) to curbed it for other public events.
Have we reached the point where Trump running his mouth as in the old days has no effect?
Richard Aubrey:
In the first half of the Thursday debate I saw the most disciplined Trump I have ever seen. I don’t know if it was the debate rules or Trump took a page from Napoleon:
Never interrupt your opponent when he is making a mistake.
In the second half he regressed some to his usual. Arguably, after Biden’s disaster in the first half, it didn’t matter — the damage was done.
Well, we nominated a loose cannon for president. Again. For the third cycle in a row. What did people reasonably expect?
The most amazing thing that Trump did during and after the debate was get out of the way while his opponent was setting himself on fire. Surely it couldn’t last.
Anyway, if this round of Trump shooting his mouth off is the worst we get, it’s not the end of the world. I don’t think Biden’s team would accept another debate anyway.
As to Kamala v. Biden, both are duds and Trump can beat either one if he is able to keep out of his own way for another five months. But that’s a big if.
Kamala isn’t African American. If you need to be “african descended” or slave descended to count, she doesn’t. Part Indian, part Jamaican–from what I hear was a slave-owning family.
Is she going to pull the african american vote as did Obama?
“But Joe has nowhere to go but up after the first debate”, says Neo.
No, he can go down further, and I expect him to do so.
I think I hear CC™ munching on ground glass.
Who would have thunk it?
after Joke Bidet’s perfectly good display of early (mid?) stage dementia in the debate, the media – the propaganda organ of the demonkrat party – is circling the public wagons to defend Bidet, citing his performance as a “one off.”
The media lied for two years non-stop re: Trump/Russia, lied about Bidet’s senility since he became president, and they are now lying about his cognitive deficiencies.
What a despicable and disgusting group of people.
As I have said many times before, Pravda and Izvestia under “Uncle” Joe Stalin could not teach the modern American “media” any lessons in the lying, deceit, propaganda, disinformation departments.
However, there is one big difference. The Russians under Stalin really had no way to find out what was really going on – there were no media outlets of any sort that were not under total govt. control – whereas today in the USA there are media and online outlets that at least present views opposite to those of the mainstream media.
If this is so, why will 40% (if not more) cast a vote for Joe Bidet the cadaver?
I can only surmise that it’s much easier to not question, to not think and to just accept what you are being told.
Even ostriches stick their head in the ground only to make a nest, whereas many voters never remove their heads from that hole in the ground.
Ultimately, it will be the voters that destroy our nation.
The last link was about mark warner the stage manager of the russia hoax who had ties to assange and steele orchestrating the step down
Because most of the corporate press is garbage carlos slims bezos gannett murdock
Trump wants another debate.
Don, read my lips: “No, no, NO!”
Let the Dems stew in their own juices.
I think the “interview” last night tells the tale. The Party has decided Joe has to go. This might actually be fun to watch.
Time for Trump to work on another book.
Tentative title: “The Art of Shutting Up”
The Dems will never agree to the terms Trump is proposing for another debate, but any moderators, shape the conversation. A debate where the candidates determined the focus of the questions would favor Trump.
I think the “interview” last night tells the tale. The Party has decided Joe has to go. This might actually be fun to watch.
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In the case of Stephanopolous, the phrase ‘Democratic operatives with bylines’ is not metaphorical. The people manipulating Biden’s carcass selected him for a reason.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tam3WWL8aVU&t=137s
Let’s do another Trump Biden debate, and let’s get Joe rogan to moderate it.