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  1. Israel is importing large numbers of foreign workers, to replace Palestinian workers. There is no longer any reason to continue supplying healthcare in Israeli hospitals, electricity, water or sewage treatment.

  2. One thing that hits you about partisans of the Arabs on the West Bank and Gaza is that their point of departure is that none of the decisions made by the Arab bosses should have any untoward consequences for their public. (The worst among them pretend Israel was being provocative on 6 October just by existing).

  3. A book I have, which I need to read again, is Palestine Betrayed by Efraim Karsh. So many decisions made by the Arab leadership in the run up to and the aftermath of the partition were against the actual best interests of the Arab populations. Even now, Israel knows that Fatah is only marginally less dangerous than Hamas. There have been terrorist incidents in the West Bank since Oct. 7, and a tunnel complex was attacked and destroyed the area.

    The Arab Jew-hating cult is destroying Arabs.

  4. following the row of links mostly from the new arab, it’s hard to determine who issued the permits,

  5. Had to be some who were approached to spy and declined. What happened to them?

  6. Impossible situation. Quick ‘Mr. Nineballs’ view—not meant for debate:

    Devil’s Advocate – was this a prisoner/guard > slave/master > dregs/elite situation where labor was exchanged for pittance? Domestic Servitude? Forced Criminality? Duress or coercion?

    Map – Ditto on the Impossible situation.

    Wars won – since when does winning land thru victory in War not count? Why were the Palestinians even allowed to stay!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

    What’s wrong w/ This Picture – 18,500 > 80,000 > 170,000 Palestinians working daily in Israel.

    I mentioned giving the Palestinians the option to immediately flee Israel thru provided corridor/s into Lebanon and/or Syria not long ago, and caught heck from some REPs/Conservatives here. Israel has/had been providing corridors from cities to safety camps. That was either too mean or dangerous, according to those commenters here.

    The other options I had suggested for the remaining Palestinians were – Stay and fight until you win or die OR stay and be a shield for Hamas until they win or you die.

    Suggestion also mentioned that Gaza first, and then West Bank second. IMHO, those lands belong to Israel.

    Too Late – last 5-balls in a tight group: Cat has nine lives. Am not sure how many lives Israel had and/or has left, but like this tight group, that map is even tighter. Long time DEMs & REPs against forcing Palestinians out of Israel, and probably too late at this point. Lulled into such an impossible situation again—as if gas chambers long gone from memory. Start slaughtering or be slaughtered…

  7. Pinhead Biden wants to have a negotiation with Hamas, never mind it is a federally designated terrorist group.
    Let us not forget Hezbollah, which is daily firing several hundred explosive rockets into Israel from Lebanon and is said to have a stock of 10,000.

    The problem is Israel is too small a country to be bordered by groups and nations which seek its obliteration. Northern Israel is quite depopulated because of its proximity to rocket-firing Muslims in Lebanon, who want to kill all Jews “from the [Jordan] river to the sea.”

    Israel made a grave mistake in returning the war-trophy Sinai Peninsula to Egypt in 1982, which it held from the Six Day War in 1967 . That would have made a great, new, defensible Israel.
    Our Democrats have turned into anti-semites, anti-Israel, as has Dopey Joe. Pro- Hamas!

    The only solution I see for Israel is to drop tactical, low-yield nukes into Lebanon, but that would have our globalist righteous Left screaming and yelling throughout the Western world so Israel cannot use them in its own defense, except maybe to drop them on Iran, with another leftist sceam. But the Lefts do not care that Iran is busily building nukes for its long-range rockets, which can reach Europe, not just Israel.

  8. The most despairing fact about the entire conflict is that if Palestinians had ever agreed to live in peace with Israel, they would have been the biggest beneficiaries, not Israelis. Classic frog-and-scorpion stuff.

  9. “ But the Israelis were naive, putting too much faith in the idea that all human beings are motivated to better themselves economically, and that such goals can overcome jihadi hatred.”

    Why I stopped voting Libertarian. Those who become, or celebrate suicide bombers cannot be motivated by economics. It’s what annoys me about Art Laffer, he just wants a good economic policy, ignoring the “culture war.” We generally have a good economy, but look what’s happening on college campuses. There is a need for a deeper meaning to life.

  10. I cannot believe the wasted time with the above comments. These can best be described as pseudointellectual masturbation. A Muslim is a Muslim is a Muslim.

  11. well its more complicated then that, during the colonial period there were no farhuds in baghdad or cairo damascus is probably an exception, there was no great animosity toward the jews in the zanjak of nablus that included jerusalem till haj amin took power, thanks to the foolish british authorities, the indian office giving weapons to ibn saud was nearly as foolish,

    al banna the founder of the brotherhood was the son of a naquib, as was ghailani, the persecutor of baghdad, it is the joining of political power to islam that seems to be the catalyst, Bernard Lewis as with Michael Doran seem to be too sympathetic to the Ottoman viewpoint, had the Sultan not fallen to the young turks,

    would things have turned out different, there would likely not have been a Balfour declaration, but settlement would have proceeded on a smaller scale,regardless despite the farhud, there were no large scale persecutions till after 47, one might check my notes, on that score, was it the influence of Mawdudi in the subcontinent Rida in North Africa, as well as Al Banna

  12. Very soon after Oct. 7, I remember reading that some people in the Israeli government were planning how to resume some work permits. This will be conveniently forgotten by most people who discuss this, but actually it’s the most important part of the whole situation. The agenda of powerful people in every Western government that certain things have to happen, no matter how ridiculous and destructive. There has to be a Palestinian state, there have to be work permits. The solution is to remove these people from society, and by these people I mean Israeli, American and European leaders who impose these absurdities on honest people.

  13. well it’s much like how the dominoes lined up for september 11th, the Saudis had a privileged position because of the oil as well as the 1945 pact, some members of the istikbarat, foreign intelligence have distinctly anti American attitudes, some of the hijackers had done work in bosnia chechnya, and other places, so the passport offices were likely to give them a pass, one might say kamal adham based the service, along the lines of it’s close neighbor, with support personnel,the ones in Los Angeles, in the link I included in the open thread,osama bassnan, another bayoumi was the one who met with two of the hiiackers, interestingly they had cased the dc area, and yet were not among the teams that went to the pentagon, or were headed for the Capitol, question that come to mind, why was this tape withheld, and who else was supposed to see it, the likes of ziad jarrah who was on the fourth plane,
    it is from omissions like these, that the denialists, took root, even though their premise was utterly wrong,

  14. feral lunch lady:

    I’ve done a great deal of reading about this, and I’ve never seen any report like you describe. Please provide a link.

  15. miguel cervantes:

    The problems began in Iraq in the 1930s. It was similar in Egypt. That was also the pattern elsewhere. My sense is that it was a combination of the growth of the Pan Arab movement, fear of Zionism, increasing fundamentalism among some Muslims, and the Nazi influence.

  16. I think so, as well, ghailani was another that the brits treated with respect, unlike say the shia and sunni emerging majorities, peculiarly he and several of his ottoman trained associates, helped form the golden square that took power in 1941, why do I think peculiar because despite being the minority with all the power, they largely had a persecution complex as a result even under nuri al said, the shia largely swelled the heart of the communist parties, because they had been driven out of public life, battuti is who I think wrote a monograph on that,
    the shia still had some influence, one of chalabi’s uncles was prime minister,
    nasser seems to have fanned the flames in many places in lebanon, leading to the landings, in yemen, and syria, the Baath had a similar pattern of influence, they had sampled fascism in Europe and they liked what they tasted, Saddam’s uncle was part of the Golden Square militia, and his own commentary was a testament to that If memory serves,the Sinai pullout was part of the Camp David agreement, which was a ill considered concession in retrospect,

    I was pondering that the Ayatollahs have been in charge in Iran, almost twice as long as the shah,45 years, the Authority has been in charge in the West Bank, longer that the idf had control of it, 30 years, when are they accountable for their choices,

  17. I don’t think Muslims can ever be trusted in a civilized society. There are just too many “Sudden Jihad” incidents. The most egregious was, of course, Hassan the Fort Hood shooter. The guy is a psychiatrist ! and a citizen. Of course the feds were under Obama’s thumb but there was good evidence that he was under surveillance and ignored.

  18. Time to play Compare and Contrast….
    (thanks, once again, to Gatestone Institute…)

    “The Palestinian Plan For ‘The Day After’ In Gaza: To Kill More Jews And Destroy Israel”—
    https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/20725/palestinian-plan-gaza-day-after

    “Biden Outraged Netanyahu Mentioned His Blocking Aid to Israel”—
    https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/20727/biden-outraged-by-netanyahu

    …The Truth being “Biden”‘s biggest nemesis…
    (So of course anti-Bibi protests in Israel have ramped up significantly over the past several days—Jack Lew, take a bow!…for jus’ doin’ yer job with skill and determination….)

    File under: If you don’t hate Netanyahu then you ain’t no JEW…

  19. From the linked article:

    Most of the workers from the Gaza were employed in the agriculture, construction and tourism industries and received wages that range between USD $70 to $250 dollars per day, depending on their skills — five times the income a worker is able to receive in the Gaza Strip.

    Sounds very familiar. I don’t doubt that the money is more than most Gazans get, but curiously missing from the article is what it cost to employ Israelis in those positions. Maybe next time hire your own people and not your genocidal enemies, even if it costs you more… when you import people you import their pathologies.

  20. But you MUST hire them…because…
    – How else are you gonna show them AND THE WORLD that you want to improve their economic plight, their economic well-being, their economic future, their lives, the lives of their kids????
    – How else are you gonna show them AND THE WORLD that you’re not such a bad dude after all????
    – How else are you gonna give them SOMETHING TO LOSE(TM)—something that they’d think twice, thrice, four times, five, about losing before throwing it all out the window????
    – How else are you gonna give them an INCENTIVE to work toward peace????
    – How else are you gonna make “Biden” happy except DO WHAT “HE” DEMANDS; make “him” so happy, in fact, that “he” can Go ‘n CROW that the region hasn’t been soooooooo—caw-caw-caw—peaceful—caw, caw, caw—in over 20 years—the message of course(!) being, ‘Screw the (so-called) Abraham Accords, which gives the Palestinians NO HOPE at all; ANYTHING that that Orange-Haired S.O.B. Can Do “WE” Can DO BETTER—MUCH, MUCH BETTERRRRR…caw-caw-caw’ (IOW “TAKE THAT! YOU ORANGE-HAIRED BASTARD…and all a’ youse that support him.)????

    So tell me true: how ya’ gonna do ALL THAT by hiring Israelis????

  21. There is one example of Germans working in the US during the war. I have a friend whose father controlled a lot of land near Ruidoso, NM. They are Mescalero Apache. With all the young men away in the military, there was no one to help round up the cattle scattered in the valleys.

    At nearby Fort Stanton, German merchant marine crews were interned. Not exactly prisoners, but restricted in movement. Her father approached these Germans: could any of them ride?

    Well even those who couldn’t would lie and say yes, because participation in a cattle roundup will get drinks bought for you for decades. Plus, I’m sure they were bored. Given a few days of training, 18 greenhorn cowboys were born. They did the job, bringing all the cattle and calves to the summer pastures.

    I’ve seen the picture of them. The Lincoln County Historical Society was able to identify all of them.

  22. Niketas Choniates:

    Do you really think Israelis are or were unaware of the pathologies – in particular, Jew-hatred – so common in Palestinian societies? They hired these people with the idea that economic improvement would help cause societal/cultural improvement. The theory turned out to be wrong, but that was the theory.

  23. Methinks that your second sentence rather contradicts the first.

    As for wrong theories, well, wishful thinking can do that….

    (Of course it made—MAKES—SOOO much sense. It was—IS—so reasonable…But ONLY when/if one forgets, or denies—or wishes away—the enduring, implacable goal of one’s Partner in Peace(TM)…)

    File under: “If you build it they will come….”(?)

  24. Niketas Choniates,
    It is my understanding that Israel has a labor shortage, thus all the foreign workers murdered by Gazans last October.

  25. This I take as a curious coincidence, but as this thread has been developing, it just happens that I’ve been reading Brands’ biography of Franklin, and just now came across a passage therein which describes some of the atrocities in western Pennsylvania after the disaster of Braddock’s campaign:

    The autumn of 1755 brought regular reports of the terror on the frontier. [… brief references to massacres, kidnappings, beheadings, etc. by the Delaware warlord Shingas especially …] That the terror was inflicted by recent allies made it all the more terrible. Franklin’s friend John Bartram recounted his backcountry informants’ assertion that “most of the Indians which are so cruel are such as was almost daily familiar at their houses: ate, drank & swore together, was even intimate play mates. And now without any provocation destroyeth all before them with fire, ball & tomahawk.” […]

    This is mentioned in the context of a French officer’s having turned the tribes that had been recently loyal to the English against the latter.

    While this narrative was set in the context of the wars between France and England over control of the Ohio Valley in the eighteenth century, it really does seem to me to map fairly well to some of what we have been talking about here concerning Gaza and southern Israel of late. Not exactly analogous, of course, but the parallels are striking, particularly in the cruelty of the respective raids.

  26. @Chases Eagles:It is my understanding that Israel has a labor shortage…

    i. e., hiring Israelis costs more than Israeli employers wish to pay. That’s what a “labor shortage” is, unless it’s for trades or professions where skills take years to acquire. But it wasn’t neurosurgery, it was tourism, agriculture, construction, just like here in the US.

    @neo:Do you really think Israelis are or were unaware of the pathologies…

    No, I have no doubt they were aware, but unless they were paying Gazans at parity with Israelis I’m afraid that there was probably a less noble economic motive also at work, and let’s hope the mistake is not made again.

  27. @feral lunch lady:Very soon after Oct. 7, I remember reading that some people in the Israeli government were planning how to resume some work permits.

    Closest thing I found to this was dated December 11, 2023:

    Israel’s socioeconomic cabinet, on Sunday, rejected a plan to allow Palestinian workers from the West Bank to resume work in Israel. This was the first time the proposal was discussed since October 7.

    The plan to permit some Palestinian workers faced staunch opposition from the far-right Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich, who heads the socioeconomic cabinet. Smotrich stated that, aside from Agriculture Minister Avi Dichter, who abstained from the vote, his 15-member cabinet voted against advancing the proposal.

    “We can and must advance alternatives that will provide a different solution to the economy,” Smotrich said in a statement, adding, “Whoever killed us when there was no money will kill us also when there is money. The security of the citizens of Israel comes first.”

    Representatives from the Israel Defense Forces, the Coordinator of Government Activities in the Territories, and the Shin Bet all reportedly expressed support for allowing West Bank Palestinians to return to work in Israel, while Israel Police delegates reportedly opposed the idea.

    Well, at least they weren’t thinking of letting Gazans back in but it’s hard to see how it’s better to let in West Bank Palestinians.

  28. Ah, yes! The ECONOMIC IMPERATIVE for murdering, raping, disemboweling, incinerating, mutilating, kidnapping, torturing…men, women, children and infants.

    Novel! Creative!! Imaginative! Different!
    Deeep thinking outside the box!!!

    I believe you got yerself an ECON textbook here…with a ready-made audience of millions upon millions of avid readers ….

    Go for it!!!

  29. I always felt it was suicidal to bring Arab workers into Israel and I was proven right. No good deed goes unpunished. I hope Israel in the future refuses to bring Palestinians into Israel to utilize the superb Israeli medical facilities.

  30. I guess THE questions that might be asked are:
    How many Gazans were working in Israel before January 2021…and to what extent did that number skyrocket from January 2021 onward.

    And WHY?

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