Our very own Jew-haters, left and right
I find this sort of news intensely depressing:
Anti-Israel mob chanting ‘Long Live Intifada’ light flares outside NYC exhibit that memorializes Oct. 7 Nova Music Festival victims https://t.co/kPC0ifS6hY pic.twitter.com/5ckMhLsHOi
— New York Post (@nypost) June 11, 2024
And there’s plenty more where that came from, including a “Long live October 7” banner:
On Tuesday, a mob took over a New York City subway car and chanted, in a call and repeat fashion, “Raise your hands if you’re a Zionist. This is your chance to get out.”
Two nights ago, the homes of Brooklyn Museum’s director Anne Pasternak and several of the museum’s Jewish board members, were defaced with fake blood and a sign that accused Pasternak of being a “White-Supremacist Zionist.”
I’ve been writing in these pages about the growing antisemitism in New York for years.
But this is the worst it has ever been. It’s no longer random attacks, that could be blamed on the mentally unwell.
There is now a coordinated threat to Jewish presence in this city.
“Hate doesn’t have a home in our city,” former mayor Bill de Blasio said in 2019 after eight attacks on Jews within one week happened in New York.
De Blasio had famously blamed Trump-supporters for these increased attacks saying “I want to be very, very clear, the violent threat, the threat that is ideological, is very much from the right.”
He never explained how the shadowy MAGA fans existed in such large numbers in his deep blue New York and were able to disguise themselves so well.
To his credit, Mayor Adams visited the Nova exhibit after the hateful protest outside.
But he said similar words to his hapless predecessor, “Hate has no place in our city,” when it is clear “hate” has developed quite a foothold in New York where Jews are concerned.
“Hate” – that is, hatred of Jews – has found a very cozy place indeed in New York City, a place with a large Jewish population. New York City is presently 16% Jewish, but that’s ethnically Jewish; religious Jews are probably 8% or less, and Orthodox Jews less than that. The Jewish population of New York has been declining since the 1950s, when it constituted approximately one-quarter of the city.
Then again – in the year 1900, Jews constituted 25% of the population of Baghdad. You can read some of the history at the link, but here are a few details:
In the 1930s, the situation of the Jews in Iraq deteriorated. Previously, the growing Iraqi Arab nationalist sentiment included Iraqi Jews as fellow Arabs, but these views changed with the ongoing conflict in the Palestinian Mandate and the introduction of Nazi propaganda. Despite protestations of their loyalty to Iraq, Iraqi Jews were increasingly subject to discrimination and anti-Jewish actions.
The article goes on to describe just how bad it got for the Jews of Iraq. And the Nazis had a huge influence on the Arabs of the Middle East, continuing to this day, although it’s certainly not the only influence. You can see that influence in our own Jew-hating crowds, which openly praise Hitler.
Remember the brownshirts?:
Its primary purposes were providing protection for Nazi rallies and assemblies, disrupting the meetings of opposing parties, fighting against the paramilitary units of the opposing parties … and intimidating Romani, trade unionists, and especially Jews.
We also have this sort of thing, as well as this lesser but still troubling phenomenon.
NOTE: The greatest danger to Jews in America these days comes from the left – in particular the university-educated homegrown left – as well as students and residents of Arab origin. I don’t think there’s much doubt about that; they speak openly of wanting Jews dead. However, there are some people on the right who hate the Jews’ guts as well, although their hatred takes a different form, and as far as I know they’re not demonstrating in the streets, nor do they like Hamas or what happened on October 7. At the moment, their Jew-hatred seems of a less lethal variety than that displayed by the left plus jihadi-supporting Muslims.
Here are just a few examples of the sort of thing I mean, however, from the right. I often see this sort of thing in blog comments on the right; these particular ones were posted at Instapundit in response to an article on the subject of the Jew-hatred in New York City:
When the Jews who vote D reflexively start loving their children more than they hate white rural Christian people (and stop considering white rural Christians to be subhumans) this mess will get sorted out right quick.
Another:
They still vote D, so they hate you more than they fear the Muzzies.
Still another:
Boo hoo.
You flooded this country with third worlders. Enjoy what you created.
The “you” meant by the commenter there is Jews in general.
The accusations are not just that Jews vote for Democrats (although of course all Jews don’t vote for Democrats, so far 2/3 tend to do so, although the great majority of religious Jews vote for Republicans). The claims are that Jews hate Christians and consider them subhuman, hate white people (Jew are racially protean, white when the left needs them to be and brown when the right needs them to be), and that Jews are extremely powerful and responsible for our open border policies.
A mope named Evan Kilgore will be a featured speaker at the Turning Point USA conference later this month in Detroit. Turning Point is a prominent young person’s group on the new right. Mr. Kilgore’s claim to fame is the following tweet, which he posted on June 8: “This week, Donald Trump said we need more Jewish control in Congress and @RepThomasMassie said every Congressman has a Jewish master. The Jewish Subversion of our government is real and must be abolished at all costs.” The threat to Jews does not come only from the left.
Douglas Levene:
Yes, that’s a wing of the right that is quote vocal, as I said. They are more traditionally anti-Semitic “Protocols” types. Tucker Carlson subtly encourages them. He’s not the only one.
I was thinking of the Farhud, but one cannot discount the Golden Square’s part in it, they were the local brown shirts, headed by Rashid Ghailani a former prime minister, who resembles the history of quisling,
The quotes from right/conservatives are accurate if unfortunate.
Even as their “rainbow alliance” allies enacted Kollege Kampus Kristallnachts, rabbis at many progressive pulpits repeated their catechism – American Christians are racists, fascists, and white supremacists… these same progressive Jews still cannot bring themselves to unequivocally condemn the Palis without “understanding” the “trauma of occupation”.
Unfortunately these are the only Jews many Americans have seen in the media.
If it’s any comfort, a large number of their Jewish brethren are equally impatient with them – and it must be repeated that they are practicing a new, cosmopolitan-Marxist religion unrelated to Judaism.
BenDavid:
They are NOT accurate. Of course you can find some Jews here and there who take the positions they are being accused of. You can find some Jews taking any position on earth, including a pro-Hamas position. But not Jews as a whole and not the majority of Jews.
I dated a Jewish girl way back in grad school. Even spent some time with her family who lived in very Jewish Highland Park, NJ. She, her parents, and most of their family and friends expressed deep fear and mistrust of Christians, especially evangelicals. I professed agnosticism so was let by despite my goy upbringing. My girlfriend was definitely secular, but I would say her family etc were not totally secular, but on occasion did attend temple.
Long time ago…late 70s.
Where I grew up on the rural Midwest, a group of hasidim moved in not long ago. I’m pretty sure that they came from the greater New York area. I bet they are happy they did it now. I’m sure they were wondering if they made the right choice when people were checking out their Sukkot during the holiday. ) People thought the sukkahs were weird and a full time thing. The local paper interview the Ravi and ran a story on Sukkot.) Overall, the group was welcomed. One of them opened a bakery that has proved popular. People love the “holly” bread.
I wonder if they’ve talked with the local Amish. I often wonder how much Yiddish and the Amish German compare.
BTW, all around the area, people have been posting signs saying “We support Israel.”
physicsguy:
They had every reason to be afraid of Christians and to mistrust them back then. At that point there was a long and terrible history of Christian-based anti-Semitism, including the old “Christ-killer” meme, and some of that was still present. Anyone who was around back then should be well aware of it, and certainly Jewish people were. It was not the least bit strange or unreasonable for Jews to fear and mistrust Christians at the time. For example, it had only been in 1964, with Vatican II, that Catholicism had changed for the better in that regard (see this).
Not every Jew felt that way, of course – not even close. I grew up in New York, and relations between Christians and Jews at that time had improved. But even I recall some of that Christ-killer stuff, and of course it wasn’t so much earlier that there had been pogroms in Europe as well as the Holocaust. In places such as Poland and Ukraine, there was plenty of Christian-based anti-semitism, and many American Jews had parents and grandparents who had fled those places.
All of that is very different from the current accusations from the right that Jews hate Christians and consider them subhuman, or that they are trying to supplant Christians by being in charge of opening the borders.
Also see this previous post of mine.
And note that the rate of Jewish intermarriage with Christians is astronomical. So the idea that Jews hate Christians is preposterous.
Lee Ali:
Yes, I think a growing number of Jews are recently realizing that religious Christians are their friends.
I suppose those Iraqi Jews were descended from those who went there and wept by the waters of Babylon two and a half millennia ago.
Well, I hate NY City and its arrogant New Yawkers, so there!
That a rather small number of Jews lobbied and agitated Pontius Pilate for a death sentence is true; and so is it also true that Pontius found nothing wrong with this (Jesus) man, said so, and so gave the Jewish mob the choice between releasing a murderer, Barrabas, or Jesus Christ. The Jewish mob, deranged because He claimed to be the Messiah, chose the release of Barrabas.Their notion of the Jewish Messiah’s arrival was millenia in the future, not that very day. He was deemed a pretender and so was crucified.
The New Testament is a history, though its majority is by Saint Paul (letters, etc.). The Gospels tell a true tale by several authors, based on witness reports and passed on thru generations.
I apologize to Christians for posting what they already know.
the way I look upon is, they all played their part, the Romans as the political authority, it wasn’t that Pilate had any ethics or nobility, but he had bigger fish to fry, which was the threat of the Sicari, the Zealots, even though they were in embryo at that time, Jesus preached out of Isiah, and insisted on how prophets had been treated in the past, strongly hinting this was his fate, his disciples somehow didn’t get the message, the Sadduccees and the Pharisees in the typical pig headedness that would cost them Jerusalem under Vespasian and Titus, had eyes but could not see, both were needed to secure the Covenant,
Some say, did the Apostles have to focus on that point, well it was the formative
bridge that led to a new religion, in the immediate aftermath Saul of Tarsus did not get the point till his blinding revelation, when he stopped persecuting Believers, and then subsequently started making amends, to those he had injured and sometimes killed,
John, 10:18:
“No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father.”
The actions of any human involved in the death of Christ are irrelevant. Debating them disregards the trinity. Jesus was born to die on the cross to redeem us.
“Passion Play,” is an effective term. Jesus’ life was theater, put on by God to show humanity how He wanted us to be, what virtues we should live by, what to value, and the events leading up to the Crucifixion are part of the theater. If anything, God was demonstrating what humanity, in its utter ignorance, would do to someone like Jesus, and that He forgave us anyway.
Humanity is “to blame” for the final act of God’s theater, which he was technically in control of the whole time. To ascribe it to a certain group of people is foolish.
@cicero: It’s also true that Christians murdered uncountable numbers of Jews over the centuries, often thinking that such murders were commanded by scripture. Does that make all of today’s Christians “Jew killers?” Of course not. Putting the Middle Ages and pre-modern era aside, even within living memory there has been significant anti-Semitism among Christians in the US. My mother grew up in NYC with Father Coughlin on the radio spouting the most vicious Jew hatred to tens of millions of listeners, and with Jewish kids getting beat on the way to school up by the local Catholic toughs. Harvard, the epitome of the WASP establishment, was notoriously anti-Semitic throughout the early 20th century and some would say today. One might think all of this more recent history is more relevant than the events of 2,000 years ago.
I mean one way of looking at it
If it makes sense today for American Jews to fear American Christians, than it makes far more sense for American Indians and American blacks to fear American Jews and everyone else in America who’s not them, because what happened to American Indians and American blacks in America at the hands of other Americans (including some Jews) was considerably worse than the worst things that happened to Jews in America at the hands of American Christians. Not trying to downplay all the terrible things that happened to Jews in history or say that one people suffered worse than another over history. While America has not been perfectly accepting of Jews, I doubt you can find there was ever a safer nation for Jews–including modern-day Israel. (Probably Israel under Solomon was pretty safe for Jews.) There is hardly any ethnic, racial, or religious group that has not experienced some kind of invidious discrimination in America.
I don’t believe I have any ancestors who owned black slaves or participated in driving American Indians off their lands, but even if I did, I’m not accountable for people in the past who did things to other people in the past, and their descendants are not being victimized by me, and they don’t have any reason to fear me. As for people whose worst wrongs were done to them on another continent by another culture that I might have no connection with (other than maybe sharing the Nicene Creed) fearing me, that’s far less understandable, in my opinion.
Hopefully American Jews who fear American Christians will lose their stereotypes and ignorance about American Christians before things get completely out of hand. It has been very clear for a couple of decades now who the real enemies of Jews in America are. You can count the snake-handlers and fundamentalist Christians in the pro-Hamas rallies on the fingers of one thumb.
Here’s more anecdote. Not sure it’s worth much, but I have to admit that in recent decades, I’ve run across more Jews ignorant of rural Christians than vice versa. I spent most of those years working in American universities, so that has to be taken into account.
During the 1950s and 60s, I grew up in a small Iowa city with a surprisingly large population of Jews. After high school and college, people my age mostly moved to large cities in the West and South. For Jews, that percentage was much higher. The city’s ethnic make-up is now very different, with large groups of Mexicans and Vietnamese, both legal and illegal.
As a child and teenager, I had quite a few Jewish friends, and my high school girlfriend was Jewish. I never heard anyone say a single bigoted word, and can remember no tension between Christians and Jews. Part of this was probably due to the standard Iowa commitment to civility, which was strictly enforced. At the time, I took it for granted. I haven’t been back in many years, so I don’t know what the political climate is like these days.
Neo
There are some associations which may explain some of what you see coming from the right.
For example, there are people-I know some–of no talent, distinction or accomplishment whose claim to superiority is being born north of the Ohio River.
To build themselves up, those from the South must be torn down. Poor, illiterate, haters, Xtian fanatics….so forth.
Minority groups who are poor are so because of the greedy, racist capitalist system. When whites are poor, it’s a moral failing.
I suspect that, were they to find that Master Sergeant Roddie Edmonds–Righteous Among The Nations–was born in Tennessee, they’d be upset. And they would find that a substantial number of the thousand other US soldiers who stood up with him at the risk of their lives and did not betray their Jewish comrades were also from the South. Could be off-putting. Certainly wouldn’t change any minds.
To the extent Jews vote and donate in the same way, they’d be tarred with the same brush without necessarily showing actual evidence..
Conservative religious Christians are your friends. But the mainline Protestant denominations are not. There’s a movement to battle Christian Zionism which thinks all Jews should be allowed to go to Israel and not be bothered while they’re there, except maybe by Christian missionaries.
They have no patience with the Israelis in this or any other effort to defend themselves.
Decades ago, in the United Methodist Reporter, a guy named Roy Beck, iirc, wrote that the El Salvador sanctuary thing was a hoax. One reaction was, well, okay but you are taking this issue away from us. Later, Beck wrote “On Thin Ice” full of such evidence on a number of issues, and it’s gotten worse.
They’ve never defended the West and usually lie about anything making our enemies look bad.
“Inside Higher Ed” wrote a piece pointing out that the atrocities at the Ivies do not represent nor reproach higher ed in general. Almost nothing similar is happening in state universities or community colleges. An exception might be U-Mich which, while state supported, gives itself airs as an Ivy. They’ve had some trouble. And, as some have said, southern universities are the place for Jews to go.
I saw Paul Ryan interviewed. He hates Trump so much that, although he loathes Biden’s policies and those of the democrats, he’s going to write in another republican. IOW, he’s voting for Biden. And he’s voting to betray Israel, no matter what he says.
I’m a Presbyterian and participate in various discussion groups. One thing I’ve noticed is that a lot of the folks are stone-cold ignorant of the simplest things, which is to say those things which might conflict with their holier-than-thou moral stance. Not sure which is the chicken and which is the egg.
But from time to time, I’m asked “How do you know all this stuff?”
It’s not particularly deep. Once in a while, something about a narrow issue in my background is applicable, but mostly it’s what anybody could know and probably should know, but they don’t.
Whether it’s mean tweets or a lousy haircut, they’re going to vote to betray Israel –part of the package–and won’t be upset if it happens. And whether they’re even thinking of that, it’s part of the package. Whoever you’re talking about.
I’m pleasantly surprised at the continuing righty support for Israel in particular and Jews in general, despite the Jews’ failure to return the favor over the past several decades.
I’m looking for at worst a 50/50 split in the Jewish vote this Nov. due to the obvious in your face Jew-hate (and tolerance for it) that is all but part of the Democratic platform, and the abject failure of the Democratic establishment to condemn the Hamas sympathizers in the Democratic party.
If Jews continue to support the D party with money and votes, right-leaning Americans would be justified in worrying about other things than Jews and Israel. That would be tragic, however understandable..
The Unz types are alternately repulsive and comical. They’re a coterie, not a manifestation of street-level opinion.
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American Jews would benefit from a generalized realization that evangelicals, Southerners, and provincial people are not a threat to them nor do they merit disdain. Jews are the only Ellis Island segment which has remained devoted to the Democratic Party; they’ve been quite slow on the uptake.
I never heard anyone say a single bigoted word, and can remember no tension between Christians and Jews. Part of this was probably due to the standard Iowa commitment to civility, which was strictly enforced.
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That and self-selection. I suspect if you carefully cross-examined samples drawn from various loci, you’d find that Jews who harbor contempt for the larger society collect in New York, Miami, Washington, Boston, and Los Angeles.
“you’d find that Jews who harbor contempt for the larger society collect in New York, Miami, Washington, Boston, and Los Angeles.”
And San Francisco. Except nearly everybody in SF “harbor[s] contempt for the larger society”. In fact that is where I learned about leftist antisemitism.
“…Pontius Pilate…”
Wasn’t there a spoof several decades ago (on SNL, I believe, when it was still somewhat watchable) where the upshot was that the Italians—yep, all of ’em—should be blamed for the crucifixion given who actually made the fateful decision regarding the Event that took place on Golgotha?
There’s another view I’ve encountered—not a spoof—that claims that the Event that took place was ordained by an Authority much, much higher than Pilate…ergo assigning blame for that decision is a total non-sequitur….
OMMV.
(And yet, one MUST blame somebody…it seems…)
Barry
In a sense. Somebody had to betray Jesus or the whole thing wouldn’t get started. But woe to him by whom evil comes into the world. They all had free choice.
Thats the right way of looking at things but a little biblical is a bad thing and the Devil knows Scripture because hes a ‘man of wealth and taste’
However when one party is fanning the flames of pogrom and one isnt it should we not focus our attention there
But lets pretend the parties are quite nearly equal in this endeavour
Glencoe Illinois is a very wealthy suburb on the North Shore, north of Chicago. It has a large Jewish population. There is a huge and beautiful synagogue located on Sheridan Road by the lake. It is fair to say that the synagogue is the equivalent, for upper class Ashkenazi Jews, of an Episcopalian church for the rich Wasps of Greenwich, Connecticut. I’ve been inside, I attended a naming ceremony there, and I can personally attest that it is indeed beautiful, opulently appointed. Anyway . . .
There’s an old joke about Glencoe that goes something like this. A man and his family purchase a house in Glencoe. On moving day his neighbor, a Christian, drops by to welcome them to the neighborhood. The neighbor inquires, cautiously, whether the man is Jewish. The man says yes, he is indeed Jewish.
The neighbor breathes a sigh of relief. “Thank God,” he says. “I thought you might be Irish!”
Based on a true story. Thousands of true stories.
Jew-hate never gets called out quite to the extent it should. I read an editorial in Tablet after the synagogue shooting in Pittsburgh a few years ago and it made a really good point; even when some incident targets Jews in particular, the “liberal” media jumps to make it about “hate” generally, or what a bad country this is as a whole, or why it’s the fault of the right. There’s little desire to engage with antisemitism in and of itself – I wonder if it’s because that means tackling antisemitism among favored minority groups. I think admitting there’s an issue with hate against light-skinned people who generally lead at least middle-class lifestyles is also inconvenient to the narrative of white people as oppressors and non-whites as oppressed.
I think Neo is leaving out a lot of political and cultural items.
The most awful left-wing groups and politicians who promote division and radical agendas, especially against conservative values, are often lead by high visibility Jews – far more that the representative population: Chuck Schumer, ACLU, etc. If you read a legal opinion from a Jewish judge past or present – Fortas, Ginsburg, Kagan, etc, or any in 5e lower courts – what is the chance that it affirms the border, original contextualism,and not legislating left wing views from the bench? Add in your own fact that Jews vote 75% democrat, which is no longer a “moderate” party but openly hostile to traditional family values, a strong border, and so on.
I wish the police would radically crack down and crack heads on what are openly anti-Semitic protests in cities and on campuses – hell just jail them for graffiti – but like most conservative commenters I see, the main feeling is American Jews -who are mostly not only democrat but left-wing – brought violence on themselves with both mass immigration then hostility to strong law-and-order policing and jurisprudence. Put it another way, if this violence were happening against other groups, Jews wouldn’t care because it is an obvious result of the liberal policies that a huge percentage of them promote.
So I see what is effectively indifference from many on the right for Jews today: “you broke it, you own it, this is your problem to solve since this is the result of policies you supported”. The solution is not new laws or efforts to protect one group, it’s about cracking down severely on protesters, jailing the leaders, deporting any who aren’t from here, expelling any who are students, and stop letting any more like them in. But not even Schumer is asking for that, is he?
And despite all the violence by the left, Jews will still overwhelmingly vote democrat in the next election, voting for people and policies that will let thousands more hostile to an open society and keep breaking down laws that allow strong community policing and protection.
So I see what is effectively indifference from many on the right for Jews today:
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Have a gander at the Unz comment boxes. That’s not what indifference looks like. Fortunately, the represent no one but themselves.
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The political preferences of American Jews outside the Orthodox and post-Soviet segments have seemed peculiarly retro for the last 25 years. In 1980, the most prominent Jewish politician in the United States was Ed Koch, who was a loyal Democrat but who favored public order, disliked racial preference schemes, and was willing to tell the gay lobby they had a place at the table but that sometimes the answer was ‘yes’ and sometimes it was ‘no’. Koch was a partisan of big city living and made embarrassing remarks about the rest of the country now and again, but he had a genuine respect for pluralism as well and made that clear in his last years. Polling Jewish voters has always been an error-laden business. FWIW, the Democratic presidential candidate in 1980 was reported in some polls to have an advantage of 1.5:1 among Jews. His counterpart twenty years later had a 4:1 advantage. Again, this is not replicated among other Ellis Island segments.
And they keep stealing
whatever’s lunch money.
well dems are uniformly awful, doesn’t matter which ethnicity or religion, take warren I’m guessing she was protestant rather than catholic because her family came from oklahoma, more druid, ed markey nominally catholic, although enochian, the language of the old ones, the dems are silent about the Saracen or the Pashtun, when they aren’t kneeling toward it, in submission,
Greg Kelley the son of the former police chief, reminds us how Garland made use of his family’s tragic history as a shield against criticism but with these rampant mobs roaming across the country he has said nothing, wray im assuming Irish Catholic, also is practically basenghi, on the matter, above his pay grade, but arresting J6 scofflaws well thats just like clockwork,
I think “whatever” was trying to say what I tried to say.
Liberal politics, politicians, and those who favor them have many ideas in common, many goals in common and, far back in the line for the politicians is betraying Israel. But it is inescapably in the line. Those who vote for the former inescapably vote for the latter., May do so without thinking about it, since the issue comes up rarely. But, will they or nill they–old reference–their names are on it.
whatever:
Jews are prominent in many fields way beyond their percentage in the population.
It’s interesting that you ignore very prominent conservative Jews, such as Dennis Prager or David Horowitz, for example. And you also ignore tons of prominent leftists who are not Jewish. And that you cite a higher figure for Jewish Democrats than the ones from the more recent presidential election, which was about 66%.
Also interesting that you seem to think Jews are responsible for the left as a whole.
And yet you characterize this as “indifference.” It is certainly not.
As Miguel Cervantes pointed out it’s the politics above all, above all other characteristics. To focus on the lesser things is, at best, a distraction.
Art Deco:
Why compare to “Ellis Island segments “? Blacks are not in that group, have been in this country (even after being freed) much longer than the bulk of the Jews, and yet vote far more for Democrats. Asians and Hispanics vote similarly to Jews. Urban voters in NY and LA vote similarly to Jews, and the vast majority of American Jews today live in those very blue areas.
Other Ellis Island segments – your favorite comparison groups – such as Italians or Irish, are not usually sampled that way in polls, and are often very likely to be of mixed heritage at this point. There is almost no data on their current voting habits. Also, Jews experienced discrimination in the US up to a later date than the other Ellis Island ethnic groups, which experienced it initially.
Just to take one example, I knew an elderly Jewish doctor who showed me some rejection letters from when he had applied to medical school in the 1930s. They said they wouldn’t take him because he was “of the Hebrew persuasion.” When he found one that would take him, he was vary grateful and donated to the school for the rest of his life.
I grew up in a heavily Jewish neighborhood of Chicago, South Shore. It had several large synagogues. The first girl I kissed was Jewish and a lot of my friends in high school had Jewish girlfriends. We went through the black eyes stage after nose jobs. One cute girl was the daughter of a state Senator. She was told she had to stop seeing me because I was a goyem.
That lovely neighborhood has been taken over by blacks and is now the most violent part of the city. The synagogues are now mosques.
The Arab foreign students are going to stay a big factor because colleges are desperate for money and full tuition students. The demographic is dwindling that sends kids to college and has enough money to pay tuition. The UC system has been accepting Chinese applicants over CA residents. I’m sure the east coast schools will do the same with Arabs.
https://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2024/06/analysis-taliban-leader-sirajuddin-haqqani-becomes-a-statesman.php
Am I the only one who found, and still finds, that joke I posted at 10:59 AM about Glencoe, Illinois funny?
Just trying to add a wee bit of levity to a serious conversation. Not appropriate???
Mike+K, re the black eye stage:
In my experience, usually the week after spring vacation, sophomore and/or junior year of high school.
I dated an absolutely stunningly beautiful Polish girl from South Shore. So beautiful, I didn’t mind the long trip down Lake Shore drive to her neighborhood.
You’re right, South Shore was a lovely neighborhood.
Related?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Ireland
IrishOtter, I’m still thinking about it. 🙂 I never got real exposure to the Chicago ethnic scene; I was a west-suburbs kid. So jokes like that one I have to mull over sometimes.
The North Shore/South Shore RR were famous for the featured pinup girls on their blotters. The past is a foreign country.
Example
http://streamlinermemories.info/Eastern/Sisk42-8blotter.pdf
The antipathy towards Jews on some parts of the right include the following:
1) Jews are perceived as fueling much of progressivism and much of the anti-white animus among the left.
2) The Biden cabinet is full of Jews: Mayorkas, Garland, Blinken, Yellen, Nuland (no official role at present), etc. They believe that the neo-conservatives, or the “Kagan cult” as some call them, are driven by a deep ethnic hatred of Russia and Russians. At the same time they like to point out that many Bolsheviks were Jewish, not just Trotsky.
3) They resent the amount of support given to Israel and the influence of the “Israel Lobby” and AIPAC. They claim that there is much dual citizenship among Congress and other parts of the government. Then there’s the whole USS Liberty incident.
4) They view Jews as an ethnicity, a people; as such they pay little heed to the vast differences in religious practices or lack thereof. Their view of “The Jews” as some sort of monolithic entity is comical.
5) They believe that Jews, with their fear of white Christians, believe they would be safer in a multi-ethnic environment where white Christians aren’t so dominant. Hence, they support open borders, but at the same time support secure borders for Israel.
6) Influential Jews such as Bill Ackman are resented for speaking up and withdrawing donations in response to the growing Jew-hatred on campuses but not speaking up in response to white-hatred at same campuses.
7) Some have this thing about the “Khazarians” that appears to have taken the place of the Protocols.
8) They resent what they perceive as inordinate attention to the Holocaust in comparison to other modern genocides. And they resent Jews for portraying themselves as an oppressed minority when they do quite well for themselves in America.
Back in the Bush II years when Little Green Footballs had a counter-jihadist focus, there was a poster who called herself Babba Zee. She had her own blog as well. She wrote, “The far left, far right, and radical Islam all meet at Jew-hate junction.”
some people did something https://dailybruin.com/2024/06/13/pro-palestine-group-claims-credit-for-alleged-arson-at-uc-berkeley
you would be loath to find any details on the dog trainer or other papers on the West Coast,
https://www.memri.org/reports/leading-al-jazeera-news-anchor-who-recently-interviewed-secretary-state-blinken-doha-has
smithers has a talent for missing the point
“…a talent for missing the point”
Related: a person who most definitely “gets it”…
A powerful, painful litany of incredulity…by someone I’m embarrassed to say I’ve never heard of…
“Herta Muller — OPEN LETTER”
https://truthofthemiddleeast.com/herta-muller/
H/T Powerline blog.
Philip Sells:
Trust me, it’s funny.
IrishOtter, I thought it was funny. When I was introduced to my fiancé’s Croatian immigrant grandmother, she politely asked about my ethnicity. “Mostly English” got a polite response, but my husband assures me that if I had been Serbian, there would have been hell to pay.
All jokes aside, it really is disturbing, in 2024 America, to see so many people judging based on group identity. Religious and ethnic backgrounds are important, but we are supposed to, as Americans, have a common commitment to our constitutional ways of handling differences.
The antipathy towards Jews on some parts of the right include the following:
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Pretty much the Unz catechism, bar that the combox clowns and some of the contributors add their more idiosyncratic fantasies. One informed me the other day that “the Jews, et al” ‘got rid of Morsi’. You don’t see as much of the Khazer nonsense as you used to.
seeing as the Saudis were the major force supporting General Sisi that seems quixotical, although khazarians is a term, that probably sets people on edge rightly, even is Koestler brought it into contemporary usage,
How can this kind of intimidation be legal?
“Cruz defies anti-Israel agitators who descend on his home ‘just about’ every weekend: ‘Wake the neighbors’;
“The anti-Israel agitators ‘scream, disturb the peace & wake the neighbors,’ Cruz says”—
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cruz-defies-anti-israel-agitators-who-descend-his-home-just-about-every-weekend-wake-neighbors
Related:
“Victor Davis Hanson: Gaza Negotiations and Terrorizing the American Electorate”—
https://justthenews.com/podcasts/victor-davis-hanson-show/victor-davis-hanson-gaza-negotiations-and-terrorizing-american
I will point out a couple of things related to Instapundit. Most of the comments are tripe. There seem to be a lot of leftists trying to pass themselves off as caricatures of what they think conservatives are or should be, you know if they didn’t hide their true feelings.
Examples abound of racist demand exceeding supply, so we get a lot of false reports. Just happened in Texas with a democrat creating racists attacks against himself.
A Democratic candidate for a local office position in Texas was arrested last week on charges stemming from a racist attack he allegedly staged against himself.
Taral Patel, 30, has been running for Fort Bend County Commission Precinct 3 – a local position in the outer suburbs of Houston – since last year…
And there is something to a comment that Jews (some) are afraid of Christians (right wing evangelicals). My Jewish friend said as much to me about his wife’s feelings toward Christians. Not a big deal to me, even though I am Christian, but from time to time I read articles trying to explain this belief. Seems understandable as I have a similar belief that Muslims can’t really be trusted. Besides the terror attacks and the current protests, I have an anecdote. One of my coworkers, a Somali immigrant, seems like a nice guy, but when I mentioned Ayaan Hirsi Ali, he lost his composure and ranted about this vile women… um, okay. It was an innocuous comment, yet it brought out an intensity that reminds me of Iran’s death to America chants.
Oh well, point taken that there is hatred of Jews from both sides, but I do not think them comparable.
On the Cruz protests: I looked at the video Cruz posted. It appears the protesters are staying carefully on the public right of way and not on his lawn. He and his neighbors might be able to file a noise and nuisance complaint, but it’s possible his neighbors are leftists, like the Alito’s neighbors.
On Instapundit and PJ Media commenters: Comments there tend to be pretty wild, and I don’t bother looking any more.
Steve
Muslims might smile but they are still Muslims with all of the theological implications that come with that.
Why compare to “Ellis Island segments “?
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Because the bulk of those in Ellis island segments trace most of their pedigree to a particular time period (1890-1924), were not a challenge to the dominant population racially but were so culturally, and have had a similar span of time to navigate the surrounding population.
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Irish are not an ‘Ellis Island segment’. The Scotch-Irish entry antedated 1840 almost entirely. There was considerable Catholic Irish immigration during the Ellis Island period, but the immigration stream in question antedated the Ellis Island segments by more than four decades and continued for several decades after 1924 as the national-origins quotas were derived from ethnic balances as they were in 1890, when Irish Catholics were fairly common.
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The black experience in this country was quite distinct from that of any caucasoid ethnic group, so I’m not going to expect their political intelligence to be similar. The experience of the Catholic Irish I’m going to wager has been (in comparison to other segments) regulated by intramural factors to a greater degree.
Because they dont care long story short and they are terrorist sympathizers
Marisa mentioned one of the notions in circulation:
This kind of thing baffles me sometimes, since it would never have occurred to me that any of these people are Jewish, as the surnames don’t signal that to me. It seems to me that one has to really go out of one’s way to sift through lists of Jews from all over the place and keep a pretty good-sized catalog to tell, or if not from a family name, then even more work to sniff out what I guess they would think of as a “crypto-Jew”. It seems a lot of bother to me.
Reminds me of a thing I came across a few weeks ago while doing some reading on the internment camps on the Rhine after the war, 1945-46, in which there was apparently a lot of privation and suffering and, yes, a fair number of deaths as well – how many I’m not yet clear on, but anyway, it was a rather disturbing night of research. I’d never heard of these before, so was very disappointed to discover it all.
One of the articles I glanced at asserted that Eisenhower supposedly was part-Jewish and that this was part of his reason for wanting to make the German prisoners suffer in those camps. It even relayed a supposed conversation – sounded fanciful to me – around the time when Eisenhower was first being screened or however it works for West Point, in which one of the higher-up officers was said to have queried Eisenhower directly about this Jewish thread in his background. It just seems bizarre to me to go hunting around in people’s family trees for anything in the way of a Jewish one-drop rule, to the point of inventing it where it doesn’t exist.
https://redstate.com/bobhoge/2024/06/16/intelligence-committee-chair-mike-turner-were-at-the-highest-level-of-a-possible-terrorist-threat-n2175557
The linear political model always trips up us who oppose tyranny.
It comes from that French legislature before the guillotine came into play: feudalists were on the right, and neo-feudalists were on the left. Not a classical liberal in the bunch.
Communists made big play of it. Trotsky dubbed Hitler a “right-wing socialist.” That’s still pretty “left,” huh? Stalin dubbed Trotsky a “rightist,” which taught him a thing or two.
There is the “Left.” They want us under thumb. Then there are opponents of the Left, and we’re not on some line or scale. I mean, where would you stick Orthodox Jews, libertarians, Evangelicals, or home-schoolers on that stupid line? We are legion. We are spatial!
Some who oppose the Left are not ZAKA donors, it’s true. But the violence and the threats of violence to Jews come from the Left, exclusively.
Thanks for the post
Demons. Real spiritual entities which are utterly evil. That is the ONLY thing I can think of to explain the eternal war against the Jewish people. God choose them, and for that offense Satan and his Demons cannot relent in their attacks.
Art Deco:
See this chart for the major groups who came in through Ellis Island. The Irish were one of the bigger groups. That doesn’t mean that most of the Irish in this country came in through Ellis Island, of course. But many certainly did, and whatever you mean by an “Ellis Island segment,” they were definitely one of the top ten groups who came through Ellis Island. For that matter, a lot of Germans were still coming in through Ellis Island. Italians were the largest group who did.
You say these groups “were not a challenge racially.” Italians and especially Jews were considered by many people to be a different race from white at the time. They even looked different, people thought – and for Jews, often still think.
I went to the Nova Festival Memorial at 35 Wall Street on Saturday morning. It was even more gut wrenching than I expected. I made a point of touching everything I could that was there on October 7 even the burnt out cars as it was a way of showing solidarity. I even touched the bullet holes. I urge everyone in the NYC Metro area to go online and make a reservation before the exhibit ends on June 22.
As for people on the Right who hate Jews you have the loathsome Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson, Jackson Hinkle, Michelle Malkin, Nick Fuentes and the whole Groyper/Paleocon crowd of Buchananites.
This kind of thing baffles me sometimes, since it would never have occurred to me that any of these people are Jewish, as the surnames don’t signal that to me.
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Unz types have a silly obsession with Nuland, a quondam State department official of modest significance; it’s a function of their verbose attempts to blame the United States and Ukrainian politicians for Putin’s debacles. Yellen is one of the more benign figures in recent administrations, but that would never occur to the Joo obsessives. IMO, Blinken’s a common type, the credentialed incompetent. Mayorkas and Garland are malevolent and belong in prison.
Well she has a skill in demolishing countries iraq libya now ukraine her late father in law don kagan would have told her to tread lightly you can thrown on wendy sherman who gave the pinata to the kim dynast and did the same deal to the irgc rulers
Well she has a skill in demolishing countries iraq libya now ukraine
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This statement is demented.
Note that nationalist socialism was a collectivist socialist and atheistic ideology. It might be to the right of communism but not much else.
I used to visit a lot of libertarian and paleocon sites. You do encounter antisemitism there, but it doesn’t seem it’s the type that typically will manifest in violence.
To make a crappy analogy; if you vote for the alphabet because you like A, B, C, and D, you will get Z whether you know it or not, whether you care either way.
Z being
Z being the left’s determination to betray Israel.
Don:
I like to think I’m conversant with old-fashioned right-wing and left-wing anti-Semitism. I haven’t figured out the libertarian/paleocon version yet.
But my initial thought: it is the standard scapegoating of an outsider group.
at a certain point, one notices knavery rather than mere foolishness,
nick fuentes, yes i find him a moron, but he has no power over anyone, its is meshugennahs garland mayorkas and co, the sockpuppet that replaced austin at defense, I don’t know what ethnicity burns is, but another one of the enablers of these terrorists, Haines the erotic poetry reader, who is a handmaiden of the deep state,
Yellen has helped destroy the currency, so I don’t think she is benign in any way, shes gotten very wealthy peddling her magic beans,
yes they were slaughtered at a music festival, raped kidnapped, mutilated somehow
the so called intelligentsia misses that, in stead they grovel to this kuwaiti trained gang like hamdan, and meshaal, I mentioned the hagiography by the Sunday Herald reporter
is it an oversight or is it intentional
https://pjmedia.com/rick-moran/2024/06/14/dhs-is-still-paying-former-plo-spokesperson-who-celebrated-october-7-hamas-attack-n4929893
huxley.
Thomas Sowell writes of The Minority Middleman, an economic and social position in many countries. Jews are that in the west but Chinese in Southeast Asia, Indians in Africa, couple of other examples. That any group in this position will be regarded similarly.
Chinese were slaughtered in Indonesia many years ago in what might have looked like a pogrom.
Too mechanical for me. Misses some of the visceral hate in anti-semitism. So there’s Prager and Telushkin’s “Why The Jews”.
Richard Aubrey:
As for the Minority Middlemen, Sowell is certainly correct that that’s part of it. But Jews are hated even when they don’t take on that role. They are hated for everything and anything. It is really astonishing and horrific.
”They still vote D, so they hate you more than they fear the Muzzies.”
That’s exasperation, not hatred. I don’t sense anything in that quote that makes me think the author would strike even a finger against you (though I get the feeling he might not come to your defense if you were threatened by someone else). I would very much worry for your safety if you were to come across a large enough group of “Palestinian” protesters, however.
That’s not to say that there is no Jew hatred on the right — I’ve seen too many rants against “Jewish banksters” in recent years to believe that — only that I don’t think that quote qualifies.
Instapundit is a strange duck. It seems to have picked up one or more professional trolls about a year or two ago, at least one of whom pretends to be conservative. Add to that the recent tactic of the troll(s) to impersonate longtime commenters — some of whom are actually anti-Jewish— and it can be hard to sort things out.
All of which adds to the feeling that we’re losing something as a country, which is probably an intent.
“That’s exasperation, not hatred.”
I would tend to agree.
If we can get through this particularly bizarre period, future writers of Jewish History—I hope that’s not being too optimistic—will BE FORCED TO look back on this period of early 21-Century Jewish political affiliations and ask how it was possible that a significant swath of Jewish voters decided to support a recidivist, destructive, “retrograde” (to quote Churchill) political party while demonizing that political party’s political opponents.
(True, the exact same thing COULD BE asked about liberals in general; but Jews should be the LAST group of people that decides to demonize others….)
To be sure, I believe that the answer to the above question (to be asked by future historians) is:
A MASSIVELY successful, ONGOING propaganda campaign—i.e., “Trump and his supporters are essentially Nazis”—intended to MASSIVELY cover up multi-dimensional Democratic Party malfeasance and criminality, all committed under the purposely ambiguous—but MASSIVELY DESTRUCTIVE—imprimatur of “FUNDAMENTAL TRANSFORMATION”.
Appendix: Propaganda Campaign (“Short” version):
1. Trump and his supporters are Nazis who present a clear and present danger to the country.
2. We know this is true because we’ve said it, written it, claimed it and declared it millions upon millions of times. Moreover, OUR CLAIMS have been amplified GLOBALLY. (And if we need FURTHER PROOF—if there is ANY DOUBT—of the TRUTH of this CLAIM, this FACT, then we’re prepared to repeat it many more millions of times.)
3. Since Trump and supporters pose a CLEAR and SEVERE threat to OUR COUNTRY, to OUR PRINCIPLES and to OUR WAY OF LIFE, we MUST do everything possible to prevent him (and them) from EVER BEING ABLE TO CONTROL the USA and run it into the ground.
4. This is why WE MUST DESTROY THE COUNTRY FIRST—and QUICKLY: WE MUST prevent him and his black- and red-shirted hooligans from destroying it.
5. THIS THEN IS OUR SACRED DUTY—the very least we can do, as American PATRIOTS—and IF you love your country, LIKE WE DO, we count on you for your stalwart support NOW AND FOREVER.
Remember: If you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for US or Trump, then you ain’t American.
mkent:
A person can hate someone without ever hurting them physically; it happens quite often that hatred is not expressed in actual violence.
I don’t see that sentence you mention as being merely an expression of exasperation. I see it as actually hateful although certainly not as hateful as some. Why hateful? First of all, it lumps all Jews together. And yet they are not all Democrats, not even close. Secondly, it says they hate YOU. So, all Democrats hate you? All Jews hate you? That’s a pretty hateful thing to say. And who is the “you” who is hated by these Jews? Well, the “you” is being contrasted against “the Muzzies” – that is, the Muslims. The commenter is saying that Jews hate “you” more than they fear the Muslims – many of whom wish them dead in an awful and painful manner. To hate “you” more than fearing the “Muzzies” is quite a bit of rather vicious hatred the commenter is ascribing to Jews in general (and/or Democrats in general). We still don’t know exactly who this “you” is, but it seems to be either “people on the right” (contrasted with the Jews who are all hate-filled Democrats) or “Christians” (contrasted with those “Muzzies/Muslims”). Note also that the comment followed closely on the previous one, which stated of the Jews that “they hate white rural Christian people” and that they consider white rural Christians to be “subhumans.” So it is actually likely that the “you” in the sentence you highlighted refers to “white rural Christian people” as the hate-objects of Jewish people.
I would call that a hateful statement by that commenter rather than an expression of mere exasperation. Also an untrue statement.
Instapundit does indeed have some anti-Semitic commenters as well as some trolls of unknown origin. It uses disqus comments. I think people are generally upset these days and tempers are short.
Barry Meislin:
I don’t think it’s at all a mystery why 2/3 of Jews support Democrats (not sure whether they’ll continue to do so, but till now they have). Jews live in blue cities for the most part, and are surrounded by non-Jews who also support Democrats very strongly. Most people would rather not spend a lot of time reading about politics or reading sources on both sides, so if a person lives in a blue city, reads the NY Times, and is surrounded by others who feel the same, it’s not a surprise that such people would tend to vote for Democrats out of habit and conformity. They were also mostly raised by families who voted for Democrats back when Democrats weren’t so extreme as a party, and a political affiliation is a difficult thing to change.
Yellen has helped destroy the currency,
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The currency is not destroyed and she was not responsible for injuring it.
Thomas Sowell writes of The Minority Middleman
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Neither the Unz types nor the okupiers camping out in quadrangles and blocking traffic give the slightest evidence of caring about the ethnic composition of those in wholesale trade.
and a political affiliation is a difficult thing to change.
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You’re mistaken about other people’s family lives. I’m surprised discovering a relation who did not repudiate their parents’ social and cultural viewpoint.
No doubt.
(Disclaimer: I come from that same background.)
…BUT WHAT (if anything) ought to HAVE BEEN—ought to BE—the “wake-up” call?
Put another way: HOW LONG can this gross deception be sustainable?
(Put yet another way: WHEN will they perceive that they’ve been mugged?—both them AND the country. And that the party that’s mugging them is the party they’ve been ADAMANTLY supporting…and continue(?) to support…????)
Barry
Correct, in the sense that a lot of folks should–SHOULD–have twigged to what voting blue is doing to them. See NYC. Injured or killed by Soros’ DA’s catch-and-release program. Kids assaulted in school while learning zilch. And so forth.
As I said earlier in a crappy analogy typed on a crappy device, if you vote for the alphabet because you like A, B, C, and D, you get the rest of it including Z. And betraying Israel may not be as far back as Z. Could be F or G. You get it.
Non-Jewish blue voters may not know, because it doesn’t interest them, or not care. But the point is why blue-voting Jews don’t see the connection. Now, obviously, they don’t see the connection with the increased street crime or retail theft, or don’t care. But why should JEWS be oblivious to the impulse to betray Israel? Is it an unpleasant result of the necessity to avoid voting for those dim-bulb redneck republicans who’d do worse in some unspecified way?
I belong to a mainline Protestant church and our discussion groups are pretty blue. This is in west Michigan where that isn’t the general run of things. I am constantly surprised at how ignorant of…practically anything these folks are.
For example, they’ll tell you excitedly that it hasn’t been this hot here in 120,000 years. But everybody knows the average temperature in this area for the last 120,000 years is under a mile of ice. Yet their ostentatious virtue is unhindered.
But they’re not Jewish.
Their ignorance seems to be in service to their virtue. Not sure which is the chicken and which the egg.
But they’re not Jewish.,
Not getting it.
Exasperating isn’t the word…
But I chalk it up—largely—to the uber-successful, uber-ubiquitous, never-ending Trump demonization/delegitimization campaign.
(I could be wrong about this, to be sure.)
Still, if it IS the case then it does beg the question: Why has that propaganda campaign been SO successful? To which there are several answers/excuses, certainly. More than several, actually.
…Which doesn’t make it any less exasperating.
(Actually, maybe “exasperating” isn’t, in fact, “the word”. IOW something far stronger is needed…seeing that the implications of the Democrats’ propaganda victory are frightening and sobering…. “frighteningly sobering”?)
Related:
Comprehensive, thorough and in-depth research, analysis and dissection…followed up by prescriptive solutions, which—heavily based on the “fact” that the US is a nation of LAWS—may or may not work, given the multi-dimensional scope of the crisis and, more importantly, the politicized weaponization of the country’s legal system.
“The Antisemitism Money and Power Network—and How to Smash It”—
https://www.aei.org/articles/the-anti-semitism-money-and-power-network-and-how-to-smash-it/
H/T Powerline blog.
Barry
In my experience, it far precedes Trump.
The scorn for southern whites, or poor whites in general. Or blue-collar, hard-hats.
The US is always the bad guy.
White supremacy and institutional racism are indisputable.
No enemies on the left.
Not a clue about important issues.
As Sowell said, there are no solutions, only trade offs. Nope, the left thinks there are always solutions without any price to anybody except, if challenged, the people who deserve it.
I first started noticing this in college in the Sixties.