Turley on Pelosi and J6
January 6, 2021. Seems like a long time ago, doesn’t it? But news about it is still coming out:
In the previously undisclosed tape, the former Speaker admits responsibility for the lack of precautions. The tape was never disclosed publicly by the J6 Committee… https://t.co/wCO83spJ4x
— Jonathan Turley (@JonathanTurley) June 11, 2024
The J6 Committee was an obviously biased set-up, a kangaroo court in Congress. I’m actually surprised that this recording ever came to light. I also strongly doubt it will have any influence on how Democrats feel about J6 and the security involved. The myth of J6 has built to such great proportions, and that happened quite soon after J6 happened.
And it was easy to predict. For example, here’s an excerpt from a post I wrote on January 7, 2021, the day after J6 occurred:
The double standards we’ve had for years are a pernicious part of the problem, and they’re not going away any time soon, because yesterday was something people can sink their teeth into.
Some on the right are saying that the left will be using this like the Nazis used the Reichstag fire. If they mean “to stoke hatred against the right as well as to repress it further,” then I agree. I’m not sure whether most people saying this realize that there is no historical consensus on who set the Reichstag fire: Communists as accused, or the Nazis themselves. But there is no dispute on how it was used by the Nazis.
And it’s the same way in which J6 has been used by the Democrats.
One of the questions the right has asked about J6 was always: since everyone knew there was a danger of violence on January 6, 2021, why wasn’t more security ordered? And since Nancy Pelosi was apparently able to have ordered it, why wasn’t she blamed? The answers are political ones. And the reason none of this came out during the J6 Committee hearings is the same obvious one: politics.
Don’t know who released that video but that person had better keep the head on a swivel.
Callous indifference four nonviolent protesters were killed six have committed suicide not mere politics an officer who was actually stabbed by an noi evans has dropped down the memory hole
All that they are doing is hastening forward the day when “politics by other means” shall be forced upon us. No sane American wants this but the left’s ideological imperatives will have it no other way.
Totalitarians gonna tyrannize.
“Inside Every Progressive Is A Totalitarian Screaming To Get Out” David Horowitz
I’d certainly think the network news stations will lead with this surprising news.
Well their goal was to proscribe a whole swath of political opposition see bishop garrisons attempted purge of the pentago
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It was a mirror of margaret atwoods dystopic pretext if you recall a false flag terror attack is the basis for this totalitarian delusion
There was so little violence except for that provoked by capitol police overreaction and provocateurs who dont seem to have been charged or even identified like who planted the pipe bomb who erected the gallows
Compare that with the low grade insurgency we suffered for a better part of a year from coast to coast
What’s interesting to me is the video exists because Pelosi chose to have her daughter document the days events. She must have expected it to be an important enough day to have Alexandra document it but why? Presumably she had a plan to reject challenges to the electoral vote count but it is interesting that she seems genuinely unnerved that events at the capital req’d leaders to evac to their nearby hidey holes. Her daughter never released her documentary yet footage periodically leaks out selectively. Curious, isn’t it?
I still want to know what the 117 deleted and encrypted video files recovered after the J6 Committee turned over the material to the in coming House Republicans contained.
The objections were the target of the fracas that becomes clear
Remember when Obamacare was passed. The Dems staged a public procession through the protesters hoping for some kind of action they could use as propaganda. When they didn’t get it, one of the Dem reps claimed racist chants. Andrew Breitbart offered $100,000 for anyone who recorded the chants on their cell phone and got no winners.
Miguel, you wrote that 6 committed suicide. Were those 6 all civilians? I’ve read that 2 — or 3? — of the Capitol police did so too, over subsequent weeks.
I wish it was clearer why. Seems that may hold valuable insight.
Maybe.
The chief of the Capitol Police resigned almost immediately and then as far as I recall stayed pretty quiet until about six months ago(?) when he came out of seclusion, as it were, to say, IIRC, that things on that fateful day were not what they seemed nor were they accurately reported….
One might wish that he had been a tad more courageous at the time… but since I can only imagine what kind of pressure the wicked witch of the west coast was putting on him at the time it’s not for me to say.
File under: If you do or say ANYTHING to ruin my finely laid plans, or oppose me in any way, then you and your reputation (and your pension) are TOAST…
(And the there’s Officer Jackson…if that’s in fact his name…or Johnson, perhaps?…)
That is still a mystery maybe it was the tear gas reaction there was certainly no confrontation that caused it
Yes sund replaced by yoganatha (checks notes)
Al queda was laughing for a week in theirs goat stew this is the vaunted capital police
“And the reason none of this came out during the J6 Committee hearings is the same obvious one: politics.”
Politics? Try fraud. We are being conditioned to see Democrat criminality as politics and anyone else’s politics as criminality. Don’t accept it.
Please note that implicated in this fraud are Adam Kinzinger and Liz Cheney. Pelosi knew she could rely on them. People who countenance the behavior of Kinzinger and Cheney include Kevin McCarthy (who wanted Fatso Liz to retain her position in the Republican leadership), and Cheney’s husband, father, and mother.
Is there any other date in history that has a two letter acronym like J6? I can’t think of one. J6 was one of those days seldom mentioned ahead of time, sometimes remarked on in a “on this day in xxxx, this happened” and then never heard about again until the next year. And now I think I have read or heard J6 everyday since that day. Every single day.
meanwhile when dc was actually set ablaze in some parts, another day of rage, january 20th, 2017, has almost gone down the memory hole, the perpetrators charges were not only dropped but expunged,
@Chases Eagles:Is there any other date in history that has a two letter acronym like J6?
VE and VJ days. And if you’re in the Chinese diaspora, 6-4 is the Tiananmen Square massacre.
He may or may not have had valid reasons of concern about the integrity of the election, but I rarely hear Trump’s supporters discuss his many egregious errors from November through to January 6th. His speech on the night of the election was one of the most disconcerting I’ve heard a President give. The many press conferences with scattershot theories all over the place. Standing with the My Pillow Guy?!
Al Gore probably had a similar amount of suspicious threads to claim he was the rightrul winner in 2000, but he handled the process of challenging the results much more maturely and professionally and, ultimately, accepted the results of the process.
We will be electing a leader this fall. A leader won’t win every battle no matter how righteous the cause. Washington didn’t. Grant didn’t. Eisenhower didn’t. Trump is rarely effective and often destructive when he doesn’t get his way.
The Democrats bet on Trump’s hubris getting him in trouble, and took full advantage of it when Trump acted as they expected. There are people in prison because they followed their leader’s chaotic charge.
they stole the election, with the whole atlantan water main scam, which coordinated the ballot avalanche, with all the suspicious actions in pennsylvania and arizona, the former had been formally noted by justice alito,
the Dems just stole in multiple jurisdictions, because of all their pawns in place, in Michigan Wisconsin et al, they are continuing to either jail or bankrupt anyone who will challenge them, Eastman, Navarro Guiliani Powell, those that had found the Mail ballot defective, like Carter and Baker were silent, they used a virus, that killed a million people to drive people into this subterfuge,
the rent a mob, organized by Susan Rosenberg terrorized the Court out of considering the evidence, and so we have had the blood price in Kabul in Kiev and Kiryat Arba, and everywhere in between,
in nearly 25 years no one had ever charged with ‘election denial’ you know how many people you could charge every member of the J6 committee along with several other presidential candidates, hundreds of pundits and layabout, living and dead, of course I’m leaving out Tank Abrams, since 2018,
insurrection, how about raising money for the rioters that destroyed a better part of a hundred cities, and then pretending they aren’t destroying these cities, we know bill barr didn’t even really try to investigate these matters,
what would be the rational response to all that crime and villainy, for many it seemed to be ‘lie back and think of england’
Trump was not backed by the GOP establishment in 2020 and so he had no boots on the ground anywhere. It’s easy to say he should have had lawyers doing this and that, but where do they come from when party organization doesn’t stand behind him or do what he asks them to do?
Remember that he was continually disobeyed by people who were supposed to report to him, in the military and in the civilian bureaucracy. The GOP party organization does not formally report to Trump, and could tank Trump simply by not taking any initiative and waiting for Trump to explicitly think of something before taking any action, and then doing it slowly, half-ass, or both.
And I don’t know if this is different in 2024, and so I’m expecting another Biden victory, perhaps by narrower margins, but using essentially the same tactics of last minute rule changes, Hawaiian judges’ rulings, ballot harvesting, and a little bit of fraud in the vital precincts, just enough.
All the media noise right now, about how badly Biden is doing where, is basically the Inner Party telling the Outer Party where they need to be and what they need to do…
The Democratic Party is very short on effective leadership, but they have many layers of lackeys, flunkeys, and flying monkeys who can act independently toward the same goals, which the media broadcasts at them constantly. The coordination happens in plan site, when everyone on Twitter or every media talking head starts using the same words.
The national GOP, being largely fake opposition and not a party that wants to govern, does not have this deep organization, because it doesn’t need that for pork-barreling in Congress.
Nothing is going to change at the Federal level until the national GOP is rebuilt from the bottom up with people who have a vision and a plan for changing America as opposed to maximizing appropriations for their cronies, which is they what they currently focus on.
Bear in mind that GOP Senators and Congressmen are doing very well out of the Biden years.
Remember when Obamacare was passed. The Dems staged a public procession through the protesters hoping for some kind of action they could use as propaganda. When they didn’t get it, one of the Dem reps claimed racist chants
jvermeer:
Three members of the Black Congressional Caucus chose to walk straight through a Tea Party demonstration rather than use the underground tunnels available to them.
Gosh, could they have been looking for trouble?
They were led by Rep. John Lewis (D-GA 1987-2020), a saint of the 60s civil rights movement. Several Dem leaders including Lewis claimed they heard Tea Partiers hurl the N-word at them.
Conservatives dispute the claim and note there is no video/audio supporting evidence. Andrew Breitbart offered $100,000 for such proof.
I had respect for John Lewis, but he zeroed it out with that stunt.
Niketas, miguel,
In his first run for Governor Ron Desantis won by a similar margin to Trump and in his second run he won by one of the biggest margins in history. He did not come in with strong support, but he was an effective Executive and led and made changes were needed.
It may be the Deep State is so deep that a President has no ability to fight its will, but there are plenty of leaders who fought and prevailed in extremely difficult circumstances and adapted and adjusted to loss after loss. Too many Trump supporters blame Trump’s enemies while never examining how and why he keeps getting thrown in the Briar Patch with no defenses.
When Trump fails it’s the Deep State. When he succeeds it’s his genius ability to play 4-D chess. There is a contradiction there.
I’m not sure a leader can be a truly great leader if he or she never owns up to their own mistakes and errors.
Trump said and did a lot of foolish things during the COVID pandemic and after the November election results came in. And people who support him are in prison because they believed in him. And he did not take time to pardon them before he left office.
There is a lot of to reflect on there. The Left is maniacal and fighting hard, but that’s no excuse to not honestly reflect on who Trump truly is.
Trump seems to have learned a bit in the past 4 years. That’s good, because we need him to learn a lot more.
before that, the tucson stunt, where sheriff dupnik had released the shooter, who was not in possession of all his faculties, and he killed eight people including a child and a judge, wounded a congresswoman, whose husband in conveniently now in the Senate, curious and blamed the Tea Party and it’s standard bearer
conversely one crazy maddow fan, shoots at 16 members of the Freedom Caucus, after having communicated with Durbin and Duckworth, and the story just fades away,
surprising you didn’t address any of the points I made about the inherent fraud in the system, from Elias to the Baker Carter commission to how the pandemic was used to make the ballot avalanche the most insecure election in history,
Wow Rufus @ 2:08 pm. All very well said.
miguel,
No offense, but I don’t see a reason to dispute your points.
My point is, an effective leader leads even as the facts on the ground change, even when dealing with enemies who distort fact and do not play fair.
When Hitler started the blitz on London did Churchill cite the Geneva convention and retreat to Downing Street? No, he accepted that the enemy is playing by a different set of rules and adapted the defense of his nation to a strategy that could defeat that enemy.
To the enmity of many Republicans at the time, Reagan brought southern baptists into the party in order to win and the Christian Conservatives ultimately had a big influence on the Party that many Republicans likely still detest. But Reagan led and changed the Party in a manner he felt was necessary to win elections.
In his campaign Trump brilliantly cobbled together blue collar and labor voters to win slim margins in key areas. And then Trump became the leader of the Republican Party. But, unlike Reagan he didn’t force the Party to change against its will. He didn’t ensure his people were in place on key election committees, etc. Desantis did the same thing as Reagan. That’s part of being an Executive leader.
And most of Trump’s supporters insist he’s smarter than Desantis, smarter than Pelosi, smarter than Schumer… Pelosi, Schumer and Desantis know how to whip their party into their image. Trump’s supporters are doing much of the work out of extreme loyalty to Trump, but what does he do?
More evidence he’s learning.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trumps-endorsement-roll-election-candidate-5fd6dcf9?st=rra9dnh4u0ldef4&reflink=article_copyURL_share
@Rufus: It’s really not about whether or to what degree Trump is an effective leader. I’m not one who praises him as 4-D chess master, so we can leave that aside.
First, he is not going to be elected in 2024, the Dems will repeat 2020 but more so: last minute rule changes, Hawaiian judges, ballot harvesting, cheating, throttling the flow of information, etc. I’m sorry you didn’t get DeSantis, I’m sure he’d have been a fine President and I’m sure he could have been elected in 1980, but this isn’t 1980 and elections don’t respond any more to the mood of the electorate, they respond to the will of the people who collect and count ballots and determine the rules by which they are collected and counted.
Second, the government is dominated by people who are not elected, and the national GOP is dominated by people who do not try to change the government. Again, sorry you didn’t get DeSantis, but he can’t import his Florida organization into Washington DC and change things. You can’t just change a few spots at the top of the org chart, the people below cannot be fired and will drag their feet and leak to the press and disobey if they have a mind. Moreover, that doesn’t do anything about the blue urban districts that swing the Electoral College. When you change a few spots at the top of the org you get a Bush presidency: tax cuts and plenty of pork and maybe some conservative justices and maybe a couple of wars but you don’t get actual change. You get stasis, at best, until the next Dem. Stasis is only helpful if someone is coming to rescue you–no one is–or to give you time for your real strategy to work, but the national GOP does not have one and people who vote for the GOP do not have one.
Real change is only going to come when people who vote Republican change the national party from the bottom up, away from appropriations for cronies–“our” House Majority is currently running them up as quickly as they can, and making sure the Dems get their share, because they have to prep for debt ceiling theater in a few months, the debt ceiling they are seeing to it we hit–and toward actually imposing positive changes on the government.
And I think that rather than reflecting on the kind of leader Trump is, who’s Hobson’s choice anyway, we need to reflect on ourselves, our willingness to tolerate duplicity and ineffectiveness in people who claim to represent us, our passivity, our susceptibility to narrative, and our belief that we can just vote for whoever shows up with an (R) after their names every few years and think we have any chance of accomplishing what we know needs to be done.
Tell me how do you compete with phantom ballots no chain of custody on ballots no prosecution of fraud no even acknowledgement of same
Since that day I am sure Nanzi was a principal player in the Coup D’etat
A lot of planning way ahead brought many participants to Jan 6, to not have proper security at hand, wreck the minimum barriers that was to be a security line, have the capital police start shooting gas and stun grenades. Ray Epps, Scaffold Commander and others orchestrated the Capital rush. congress got the easy way out not questioning the massive fraud election.
Trump may or may not get elected, certainly for now Sundowner is going downhill very quickly and I have been predicting won’t be the Democrats Presidential candidate. Certainly the Deep State and Marxists will do their damness to wreck Trumps election, doubt anyone would disagree if he wins.courts will be besieged with cases, Congress if undrr the Democrats allowed will try and decertify the election.
It’s going to be a riot
Ignore the absurd 7 million vote advantage by Biden. That was just for show– since most of those ballots were in deep blue states and were meaningless, except to create the narrative in case Biden had lost by a few thousand votes. The cries of foul play would just be reversed.
2020 was again a razor thin election, even with the malfeasance/probably illegal votes cast. Trump lost AZ by 10,547; GA by 12,670; WI by 20,682; NV by 33,596; PA by 80,660; MI by 154,670.
Trump needs to win AZ, NV, GA, and WI to win the electoral college.
Yes Democrats are going to work to solidify the vote laws that work in their favor.
Can he do it? He’s working tirelessly. While is messaging may not be your cup of tea, it resonates with the Joe the Plumber. But it’s his policies, not his personality that can carry the election. It’s the economy. It’s the border. It’s the transgender corruption of our culture, putting our daughters at risk. It’s bringing jobs back.
Don’t blame Trump that Republicans have become the me too party for slop at the trough of federal spending. He tried fiscal restraint and Republicans in Congress weren’t interested.
Yes the budget deficits were too high, but Trump was facing the headwind of the Fed unwinding the previous 8 years of quantitative easing.
First, [Trump] is not going to be elected in 2024, the Dems will repeat 2020 but more so: last minute rule changes, Hawaiian judges, ballot harvesting, cheating, throttling the flow of information, etc.
Niketas Choniates:
Cites? Support?
You don’t know that. Trump won in 2016 despite deep certainty among many, including conservatives, that he would lose. Yet Trump won.
It may turn out that Trump loses this year by fraud, but you don’t know that.
Too big to rig is real.
When Trump fails it’s the Deep State. When he succeeds it’s his genius ability to play 4-D chess. There is a contradiction there.
Rufus T. Firefly:
I think there are many commenters here who aren’t playing that game.
I still don’t particularly like or respect Trump. IMO he’s a deeply flawed leader, but he gets enough right in the face of incredible, hypocritical, near-totalitarian suppression, yet he still keeps fighting, that he gets my vote in November and that he’s doing something, though not everything, right.
Inspite of the deep state not because of i came up with the tripwire metaphor because of the comey removal
VE and VJ “Days”. The equivalent would be calling them S2 or M8 or December 7th as D7. No one ever called them that and Tiananmen would be J4.
Two things that January 6th show.
1. The Democrats think way ahead. They planned Jan 6th, and it didn’t become as violent as they hoped for, but enough so that, with the help of the MSM, they have ridden the insurrection meme hard and continue to do so.
2. They certainly have a plan in place if Trump wins. My guess is that they will loose Antifa and BLM on the major cities. The violence could be so bad that citizens will be calling for something to be done. Or at least the Democrat media will be calling for something to be done.
The something will be a declaration of martial law with the purpose of stopping the rioters and negotiating a settlement with them. The demanded settlement will be to void Trump’s election. It will be declared that the only way to restore peace is to set aside the election results. Biden/Harris will remain in power.
I know, it sounds crazy. And all the stuff they’ve done up till now hasn’t been crazy?
The other plan that they might be desperate enough to try is an assassination.
The Democrat party is now anything but democratic.