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Open thread 5/9/24 — 34 Comments

  1. “He” was wrong…
    “”The Polling Data Has Been Wrong All Along”: Watch Biden Deny Economic Reality In Train-Wreck CNN Interview”—
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/polling-data-has-been-wrong-all-along-watch-biden-deny-economic-reality-train-wreck-cnn

    Keep those lies comin’….

    + Related:
    “Reality Dawns? Initial Jobless Claims Suddenly Spike To Highest In 9 Months”—
    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/reality-dawns-initial-jobless-claims-suddenly-spike-highest-9-months
    File under: Give me all ye got, Scotty…

    + Bonus:
    Squeeze play! (AKA what they WANT you to believe…)
    “Biden’s Partial Arms Embargo On Israel Is Aimed At Pressuring It Into A Regional Peace Deal”—
    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/bidens-partial-arms-embargo-israel-aimed-pressuring-it-regional-peace-deal

    But!…we can all heave a sigh of relief…
    “Biden Touts “Ironclad” Commitment To Israel While Blocking Military Aid”—
    https://blazingcatfur.ca/2024/05/08/biden-touts-ironclad-commitment-to-israel-while-blocking-military-aid/

  2. Okay, this is way too snarky, and I’m way too old for this kind of self-indulgence, but I tried to imagine an argument between Artfldgr and Imsorrysteve57, so I asked a chatbot to write one for me. Here’s the result:
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    Artfldgr said:

    The protests are a well-coordinated insurgency aided by outside experts in revolutionary tactics. Their requests like defunding police are designed to be unachievable, providing endless justification for disruption. Limited weapons and tactics like umbrellas aim to avoid harsh crackdowns while normalizing violence through acclimation. False flag incidents may be staged to claim external aggression and maintain crowds of “useful idiots” for cover.

    Imsorrysteve57, you seem to share irrelevant anecdotes about vipers and disabilities rather than addressing the organized nature of these protests. As a former tough sailor who led others, don’t you see the military-like coordination and formulaic application of revolutionary strategies here? The authorities must collect evidence, identify perpetrators to impact employment, and increase militarization of police to counter this insurgency.
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    Imsorrysteve57 said:

    I’m a 61-year-old disabled former sailor, a real beast who always led the way into tight spaces. Nobody messed with me back then. I wish I could show you pictures proving I’m not lying about my rugged appearance.

    Artfldgr, you need to stop badmouthing these protesters who are just trying to survive, like the kind-headed noodles we call vipers. When I encountered a viper, it just wanted to hide and disappear, not rattle at me. We all have disabilities to some degree, so we shouldn’t denigrate these folks for making do as best they can.

    If Israel could use a 70% disabled old sailor like me, the remaining percentage is still good to help their military efforts. Everyone who survives long enough ends up playing hurt in one way or another, but we make do as enlightened beings.

  3. Am fairly new to “Revolver News” so am not sure how reliable they are.

    Meet Donell Harvin: Trump-Hating Deep State Official Who ‘Predicted’ J6 Pipe Bombs in Advance – long article for a slow reader like me, and with too many BIG words (tho not as many as in one of DNW’s comments). Thusly, will just do some snippets of what caught my eye:

    • two pipe bombs were discovered on January 6th
    • one near the RNC building and one outside of the DNC building.
    • pipe bomb discovered near the RNC building was reported at around 12:50 p.m.
    • bomb near the DNC building was discovered at 1:05 p.m.
    • these two bombs were discovered independently within a 15-minute time frame that perfectly coincided with the unfolding attack on the Capitol (the Ray Epps breach) at 12:53 p.m.
    • both planted the evening before on January 5th and had been sitting in their respective locations for over 16 hours before magically, independently, being discovered in this critical 15-minute window.

    OK—two pipe bombs planted the evening before they were discovered.

    • “diversion theory” of the pipe bombs—namely, the bombs were never intended to go off but rather to be discovered at the critical time window so as to distract police resources and personnel from the unfolding attack on the Capitol.
    bombs were equipped with a one-hour mechanical kitchen timer.

    Sherlock was probably right, but why even bother w/ the “one-hour mechanical kitchen timer”? Maybe the culprits weren’t expecting someone discovering when they were actually planted..? Back to you, Sherlock.

    It all makes perfect sense until we reflect on the following: how could the bomber have counted on the bombs remaining undiscovered for nearly 17 hours only to be independently discovered by a random pedestrian and undercover Capitol Police officer within the critically necessary 15-minute period overlapping with the unfolding attack on the Capitol? This is the damning question we have pursued with the determination of a pit bull chasing after an infant, to the point of unraveling one of the darkest scandals in recent American history.

    Yeah, leaving an infant around any dog is a bad idea, IMHO. Anyway, the article goes into more details, and I finally just skip it all and move to the ending—phew!

    At the end I catch the “random pedestrian” – Karlin Younger; however, don’t see anything at the end on who the “undercover Capitol Police officer” was.

    Furthermore, it is additionally interesting that at the time Karlin Younger discovered the January 6 pipe bombs, she was working for a First Responder company with documented connections to Donell Harvin’s office.

    Just as Karlin Younger’s place of employment doesn’t necessarily suggest anything, neither does the fact that Donell Harvin’s office made such a remarkably specific prediction in relation to the pipe bomb or the fact that Harvin’s public statements reflect deep animus toward Trump and his supporters.

  4. I believe I sad I don’t think I’m tough. I went through school with Marines and SEALs. Relative to 99 percent of the populatio I’m tough but I can’t beat that last percentage. So I don’t pick fights. You just never know

  5. Whats kathy hochul doing there

    Revolver has been one of the leading samizdat publication on this story its vast how little curiousity there has been about these matters

  6. Time for some therapeutic chuckles…
    “BLM Global Network files $33 million lawsuit against group helping fund college protests”—
    https://nypost.com/2024/05/09/us-news/blm-global-network-sues-group-helping-fund-college-protests/
    “‘Princeton Princess’ whines that she’s ‘starving,’ blames university after choosing to go on anti-Israel hunger strike”—
    https://nypost.com/2024/05/09/us-news/princeton-students-complain-of-starving-amid-anti-israel-hunger-strike/

  7. The last time my final time I shut the door told my ladies my employees to lock it and callncall the police. There were just too many things in my restaurant the guy could have used as weapons. And if I could think about them so could he.

  8. So, Barry, I looked at this headline –“Biden’s Partial Arms Embargo On Israel Is Aimed At Pressuring It Into A Regional Peace Deal” — and thought, hmmmm, “regional peace [ deal ]”, then thought, hmmm, “how does a thing like that look from Teheran?”, then went to the linked article only to find a bunch of jibberish about “Saudi Arabia” and no mention of the IRI at all, though there were four flags graphically represented there, none of which Iranian!

    What the hell sort of thinking is this article attempting then? Soothing storytelling for the crowd, purposely leaving out the real-world grisly bits? Or what?

    Anyhow, to return a moment to the view of “regional peace” as held in Teheran: why yes, one may well imagine Biden’s policy can go a long way to bring that about; bring about a “region” in which there simply are no filthy jews to disturb the peace of al-Islam with merely the occasional minor squabbles of “brothers” (read “vassals”) under the yoke of the properly dominate holy mullocracy, eh wot?

  9. Yes it takes many cognitive recalibrations to make that seem logical

    Palestinians are suffering under hamas who steals everything under the sun from them who has killed nearly all the hostages change my mind

    To the north the lebanese armed forces is protecting hezbollah their former spy chief is a mediator to both parties

  10. https://www.yahoo.com/news/israel-followed-law-war-gaza-040200914.html

    Oh, here we go. AP, with minion leakage and backup galore:

    Facing heat over its military support for Israel’s war, the Biden administration is due to deliver a first-of-its-kind formal verdict this week on whether the airstrikes on Gaza and restrictions on delivery of aid have violated international and U.S. laws designed to spare civilians from the worst horrors of war.

    A decision against close ally Israel would add to pressure on [quite conveniently! — sdferr] President Joe Biden to curb the flow of weapons and money to Israel’s military. The Democratic administration took one of the first steps in that direction in recent days, when it paused a shipment of 3,500 bombs out of concern over Israel’s threatened offensive on Rafah, a southern city crowded with more than a million Palestinians, a senior administration official said.

  11. sdferr,
    Whenever you run into a “Biden” “conundrum”, remember that…
    1. They’re lying to you ALL THE TIME, and
    2. They’re trying to make it look as though they’re mega-uber-philanthropists doing whatever they’re doing (i.e., lying what they’re lying about) it for the good of humankind (and everyone and everything else).

    (…except, of course, for the eensy weensy teensy detail that they’re lying…)

    …but then you already know that…

    (And you also know that it’s Obama—IOW Malley, Jarett, Tabatabai, etc.—all the way down…)
    https://stefanik.house.gov/2023/9/stefanik-demands-full-transparency-into-dod-investigation-of-employee-involved-in-iran-influence-operation

  12. Lawrence O’Donnell’s at Trump’s Manhattan trial and he’s fallen in love.

    “Well the excitement and anticipation in the room hit a new high . she entered wearing all black as if on her way to a funeral the loose fitting plain black clothing draping from her shoulders to her toes suggested the modesty of a nun,” he said while referring to Daniels.

    He further said Daniels “makeup was minimal” just like the “other moms in her neighborhood might look when shopping at the local grocery store.”

    “The long blonde hair held up with a clip at the back of her head the way it might be in a utilitarian way while she was doing dishes or checking one of the Horseshoes on her horse.”

    “She later spoke of so proudly when she walked by him her face had the same expressionless somber look that all the jurors always have when they walk by him looking at the floor. She didn’t look at him,” he added.

    The last part is a little garbled because I had to go to the Hindustani Times to get an extended quote. Internet wags find Larry’s remarks a little porny and are wondering if he was Toobining under the desk.

  13. “…the new normal…”

    The Blazingcatfur blog’s on it.
    “UNRWA Caught Stealing, Selling Humanitarian Aid…”—
    https://blazingcatfur.ca/2024/05/09/unrwa-caught-stealing-selling-humanitarian-aid-un-watch/
    “Miss Israel Noa Cochva, An IDF Solider, Has Knife Pulled On Her As She’s Berated As ‘War Criminal’ In NYC”—
    https://blazingcatfur.ca/2024/05/09/miss-israel-noa-cochva-an-idf-solider-has-knife-pulled-on-her-as-shes-berated-as-war-criminal-in-nyc/
    “100+ Swedish policemen are transporting the Israeli singer Eden Golan to Malmo Arena in a very long convoy of police cars;
    “A police helicopter is flying above the convoy”—
    https://blazingcatfur.ca/2024/05/09/wtf-2285/

    Zerohedge, in the meantime, is trying to figure out the depth of the financial hole that “Biden” has been digging…and whether in fact “he” has succeeded in “his” goal (or one of them) of breaking the bank…
    ‘The Missing Piece Of The Puzzle: Behind The Inexplicable “Strength” Of US Consumers Is $700 Billion In “Phantom Debt” ‘—
    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/missing-puzzle-piece-revealed-behind-inexplicable-strength-us-consumers-700-billion-phanton

    Red light at dawn…Stormy weather ahead….

  14. Cornflour:

    So, if you will part the curtains, what prompts did you use for your dialog between artfldgr and Imsorrysteve57 as imagined by Chat?

    Asking for a friend.

  15. huxley on May 9, 2024 at 1:36 pm said:

    Cornflour:

    So, if you will part the curtains, what prompts did you use for your dialog between artfldgr and Imsorrysteve57 as imagined by Chat?

    Asking for a friend.
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    huxley:

    The chatbot results were more dull than I’d hoped, so I didn’t work too hard at the prompts. It went something like this:

    1. I went to Perplexity.

    2. I uploaded a text file.

    3. The file consisted of an old Artfldger comment plus six short Imsorrysteve57 comments.

    4. I told Perplexity that I wanted it to compose an argument, as if it were a series of blog comments, written in the styles of Artfldgr and Imsorrysteve57.

    5. Perplexity responded that the comments had nothing in common, so there was nothing to argue about.

    6. I asked Perlexity to speculate what an argument would be like, despite the lack of objective overlap in the comments supplied by the text file.

    7. The result was what I left here, at Neo’s open-thread post.

    8. With more prompts, maybe I could have improved the results, but it didn’t seem worth the trouble. I was looking for an extended, back and forth, two-part tirade, with Artfl’s comments getting longer and longer, and sorrySteve’s getting shorter and shorter. I pictured two old men, talking to each other on a park bench, like something from an old “New Yorker” cartoon, only as vividly animated as Roadrunner vs. Coyote. Maybe getting there would have been faster without AI.

  16. Thanks for vid link, neo. Neat to rewatch. Lots of quite tenuous logic but fun.

    I think Noel Langley and crew did a commendable job turning the plot into something a movie could do. I have copies of every motion picture version and the earlier ones don’t scan. They’re like trying to read a shotgun blast, all over the place, like his books. If you take them apart, his books are mostly filler. Enjoyable (esp 4 kids) but filler.

    Some of the things they did become understandable if you’ve read the book(s). Some major, affecting the actual story tone, like inserting actual danger which Baum purposefully avoided. Some were necessary to mold a plot that adults would tolerate for an hour and one minutes (that alone is mind blowing), like condensing Locasta and Glinda into one, dropping side quests, patching musical numbers that didn’t work and adjusting for near tragedies on set.

    That and Dorothy’s actual return home positively sucked.

    Pretty amazing they settled into the perfect cast for a good translation and what would become indelible songs in the public’s memory.

    Even though it was the thing du jour, I think making it a musical was brilliant.

  17. Oligonicella:

    One of my favorites. I first saw it in a movie theater. My mother had told me about the transition to color, and so I was eagerly awaiting it. The moment did not disappoint.

  18. I always felt that my prison incarceration was some kind of Eighth Amendment violation, i.e., the State had purposely taken away the companionship of women in order to excessively punish humble me. Definitely was Cruel and Unusual Punishment!

    I suspect the Republican party is responsible for formulating such a cruel punishment – in direct opposition of Mother Nature’s Laws.

    Did some time near a women’s prison, and it’s annex. The Annex was for Minimum Security women, and the actual prison was for higher security requirements.

    Men have never seen horny women until they have seen them incarcerated. My first experience was close to the Annex, and I was on some kind of wood/brush crew thinning out areas infested with huge vine growths. We must’ve been a motley crew looking bunch – dirty & sweaty, but as we got closer to that Annex the women didn’t seem to care.

    We were inside a huge fenced in area of the entire Women’s facility, with both the Annex & main women’s prison inside that fence, and we were probably a 100’ from the front of the Annex building. Women were literally falling out of the windows, apparently forced out from a mass of women behind them trying to get to the windows to see us. I don’t recall why we didn’t rush to the windows to help those fallen women—tho it was probably our guards w/ firearms. The women didn’t rush towards us either, since it must’ve been a violation for them to be outside, and they just rushed to the front door instead. Happened pretty fast, then the guards recovered and had us load up in whatever vehicle we had come in.

    Here’s the short version of the longer version to this story, which occurred the following year are so, after I had made it to the Electrical work crew, which went inside the main women’s prison areas. 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 . Remote dark rooms & dark bathroom lights were out. The Freeman Boss discovered that the women had been unscrewing the bulbs, and ‘Gus’ never took me inside that prison again.

    Ex-prison guard says ‘predatory’ male detainees are ‘champing at the bit’ to fake sex changes and get locked up with women

    Some 344 detainees in male prisons have requested transfers to women’s lockups.

    ”Surprise, surprise, surprise!” Transgender women weren’t around when I was in prison – those boys/men were simply called punks or f*ckboys or queers.

  19. Cornflour:

    Thanks. I assumed it was something like that. Refining prompts can go on forever. I thought you did just fine.
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    A poem is never finished, it is only abandoned.

    –Paul Valéry (1871-1945)

  20. I now count at least three commenters here using ChatGPT. We’ve only just begun…

    Sam Altman, CEO of OpenAI, the company which created ChatGPT, humblebrags that ChatGPT-4 “is not phenomenal. It is mildly embarrassing at best. GPT-4 is dumbest model any of you will ever have to use again.”

    OpenAI already has ChatGPT-5 in the pipeline, likely to be released this summer (2024). Sam knows a lot more than we do.

    Hold on to your hats!

  21. Re: Longevity Escape Velocity (LEV)

    Here’s another sci-fi idea which may be on the horizon. LEV means that medical science will soon be reversing aging faster than we age.

    Which means … we can live for centuries, even forever, if we don’t get hit by the proverbial bus.

    Some AI futurists, including Ray Kurzweil, the grand-daddy futurist of the Singularity, predict this will happen within ten years, maybe sooner.

    So hang in there, my neo brothers and sisters. Look both ways at all intersections!

    –“Longevity Escape Velocity Foundation”
    https://www.levf.org/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longevity_escape_velocity

  22. Fun video — thanks, Neo! On the transition from black and white to color, when I was a child in the 1960s, the movie ran on TV once a year or so — a special occasion that my siblings and I looked forward to almost as eagerly as Christmas. (Also true for Peter Pan.) My mother, who was about 11 when the movie first came out, would watch it with us and reminisce about that moment. She said that the transformation into color gave her chills, and that everyone in the theater gasped and exclaimed aloud. We’d try to imagine it, but even in the 1960s, that moment wasn’t astonishing enough any more to affect us in the same extraordinary way.

    The other good thing about having my mother watch the movie with us was that when the flying monkeys showed up, we could leap into her lap, or at least grab her hand (depending on how old we were and how many siblings got there ahead of us). They were fixtures in my nightmares for years.

    Such a great movie and such extraordinary music. I don’t care about any trifling logical inconsistencies!

  23. Mrs Whatsit:

    My mother took my older brother to see it in a movie theater when he was 3 or 4. Apparently the flying monkeys and the scene where there’s an extreme closeup on the witch’s face (I think she’s laughing maniacally) which fills the whole screen was too much for my brother, who hit the floor and refused to come back up. I think she said they left the movie after that.

  24. …was too much for my brother, who hit the floor and refused to come back up.

    neo, Mrs Whatsit:

    That happened to me at a Saturday matinee of “The Tingler,” a truly bizarre Vincent Price movie.

    Like “The Wizard of Oz,” “The Tingler” was in black-and-white except … for the sequence in which Price doses his wife with LSD and tries to frighten her to death! Bwaa-haa-ha-ha!

    The B&W part seemed slow so I headed to the refreshment stand for more popcorn. Then when I got back inside the dark theater the film switched to color, I saw a bathtub filled with red, red blood and Something was emerging out of the blood…

    Boom! My legs buckled. Popcorn spilled. I was nine years-old.

    These days I can watch “The Tingler.” No problem.

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