Mass graves and the MSM: spreading the lies
Here’s the latest in media reporting of Hamas’ tall tales. No need to listen to the whole thing, although it’s interesting. You can get the gist of it in ten or fifteen minutes, or perhaps even less:
More on the subject can be found at Legal Insurrection.
Plus:
Misinformation is circulating regarding a mass grave that was discovered at Nasser Hospital in Khan Yunis. The grave in question was dug — by Gazans — a few months ago. This fact is corroborated by social media documentation uploaded by Gazans at the time of the burial, as seen… https://t.co/4BruYMILTd
— LTC (S.) Nadav Shoshani (@LTC_Shoshani) April 24, 2024
The Palestinian “narrative” is lies all the way down. But the edifice of lies has become most people’s truth, because the lies have been picked up and amplified by their willing handmaidens in our very own MSM as well as the press in much of the world. I’ve been reporting on this for twenty years, and so have many many other people with far more readers. It’s obvious, and has been for a long long time. And yet the lies have sped round and round the world while the truth keeps laboriously putting its boots on.
One of the many many hallmarks of Palestinian lies is the way they actually reverse the truth. For example, relevant to this story: who is it who respects the dead and who is it who desecrates dead bodies? We know that the Israelis do the former and the Palestinians the latter. So this recent report is an example of the kind of Orwellian reversal we keep seeing in this conflict and so many others.
As I read in one of the YouTubers’ comments to that first video:
Palestinians redefine many words:
• War becomes a Genocide.
• Rape becomes Resistance.
• Borders become Concentration Camp walls.
• Suicide bombing becomes Heroism.
• Moving civilians out of harm’s way, becomes Ethnic Cleansing.
• Hostages become Prisoners of War.
• Keeping citizens separate from the terrorists they want to kill, becomes Apartheid.
• People returning to their ancient homeland become Colonizers.
• Terrorists become Freedom Fighters.
• Palestinian migrants become Natives to the land.
• Children dying in a war as collateral damage becomes Murder.
• Something rightfully obtained that was never theirs, becomes Theft.
• Being on land that you 100% control per LAW, becomes Occupation.
Indeed.
Redefining words to what you want them to be is a primal Marxist trope and modus operandi.
Remember, the official name of East Germany was the “GDR”, or the “German Democratic Republic” aka “Deutsche Demokratische Republik” in German.
Given that East Germany rather blatantly was neither a Democracy OR a Republic, this is just openly obvious lies all the way from the top on down.
Since Marxist ideals and methods are central to PostModern Liberalism, it’s no surprise that they also get fed into the system by PML’s allies, like Hamas, then bolstered by Journolie reporting.
Just read that Hamas attacked, with mortars, the new Pier being constructed in Gaza. Figures. Will this get big news coverage? Ha Ha Ha
Give the Nazis credit.
They lied many Big Lies, but they still thought they had to conceal the extermination camps and Einsatzgruppen mass killings, not blame the deaths directly on the Jews.
Simpler times.
Evil times
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/389042
As O’ Bloody says, the redefining of words is a Marxist tactic, and the Muslim Brotherhood’s various offshoots learned it from them.
I’m sending that list to all my e-mails contacts. The info will spread like the waves from a pebble in the pond.
As Paul Simon put it, “still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.”
An endless supply of lies is always available for people who have already made up their minds.
Redefing words not only misleads, it tempts opponents into fruitless arguments about the definition as if the left actually cares. Waste of time.
“I know you know better. So does everybody else. Which makes you look…..”
So, if I understand correctly, you are suggesting that we should rely on the Israelis, who are the aggressors, for the truth? Isn’t it?
In the conflict in Gaza, Israelis have caused extensive destruction on the ground, displacing 2.2 million people and demolishing numerous residential buildings. On the other hand, the assertion about a mass grave is untrue.
According to your “evidence,” it is recommended to contact Israel and allow the UN team to conduct an investigation or invite an international news agency to witness the situation on the ground.
How about the situation in the West Bank… the Settlers who run like wild Ox put on fire Palestinian land and houses, even those Badwen facing threats from Settlers, they stealing their sheep with the protection of IDF??
Is this another falsehood?
Your writing remains limited to your comfort zone, discussing subjects you have no understanding of…
WHY THE MOST EDUCATED PEOPLE IN AMERICA FALL FOR ANTI-SEMITIC LIES
The Road to 1948
sam, it might be interesting to know if you have viewed the videos of the atrocities committed by Hamas and Gazans on 10/7/23. Or do your news sources, which you believe, tell you those are fake?
The egyptians might have accepted their bedouin brethren just across the sinai corridor why havent they since 1967?
Same for the hashemites to the west of the jordan
So the nukbah hardened killers who were inbedded with islamic state fighters they get visits from the red cross but not innocent hostages
sam has no relation with the concepts of truth or wisdom.
sam, is rape resistance? Is murder protest?
“Badwen” sam? Do you mean “Bedouin” sam? As in Bedouin Israeli citizens who were murdered by the Hamashites on 10/7/2023?
Well its real old school behavior remember khaybar
How is first the return of the hostages the sanctioning and conviction of hamas leadership not the only issue
om on April 25, 2024 at 7:49 pm said:
Another OX…….
Kate on April 25, 2024 at 7:24 pm said:
sam, it might be interesting to know if you have viewed the videos of the atrocities committed by Hamas and Gazans on 10/7/23.
Poll finds a quarter of US Jews think Israel is ‘apartheid state
A former Mossad chief says Israel is enforcing an apartheid system in the West Bank
Apartheid in the Occupied West Bank: A Legal Analysis of Israel’s Actions
A Threshold Crossed: Documenting HRW’S “Apartheid” Fabrications
Kate on April 25, 2024 at 7:24 pm said:
It is necessary to acknowledge both the presence of this settlement and the fact that it is located on land that is occupied illegally.
Odd they have full vote in the knesset what they do with it is another issue
We know the jordanians feel about their brethren thats why they keep them in camps in amman in zarqa in othet places
Zarqawi a resident of the latter place was let loose by the jordanians to do his dark deeds in iraq
The kuwaitis kicked the palestinians out after they had given sanctuary to the likes of arafat meshaal even the like of ksm
The uighurs say hi so do the tibetans yet china is a upstanding member of the security council, russian objections are nearly as amusing
Of course you use the wager like the cheyenne the lakota et al you dont get a prize thats what war entails
You probably live on one of those former settlements
She takes great pride as a Palestinians.
She is neither an Israeli passport holder nor a Jewish state citizen passport holder.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0ZFeDWhlDo
Its a wonder how someone could tie so many strings of category error in one place
Al quaddam the precursor to hamas was fighting the brits in the 30s funded by the german government
The palmach arose from the british failurr to defend the jews that was because orde wingate volunteered
need we revise the peelcommission the white paper
Honestly i would quit before you embarass yourself further but if needs must
sam came to the wrong place to try to sell his propaganda. I notice he won’t answer the question about the documented atrocities.
And we see how destructive the deep state is to israels survival has he signef to black cube yet
Yes he had a marked deck of cue cards mind you mark wauck used to make these obtuse arguments on another blog and he proved very annoying then
A habit he has renewed since october 7th
They have to dig a mass grave, in a warm area, where quick burial is important, but there isn’t a single backhoe, bulldozer, or even a Bobcat in all of Gaza.
Amazing how the Hamashites (samites) can dig tunnels to hell but can’t keep their own, that they buried, in the ground. If there is a camea around.
From the river
to the sea
Hamashites
can feed the fishies.
Like OBL.
Everything has its place.
@sam
And so this kind of shit is what I encounter. I have just gotten finished dealing with an utterly, venemously racist and genocidally bigoted Jew Hating Hamas propaganda piece from a Leninist who was so stupid and incompetent he cited a source that managed to Mistranslate, Misdate, and Mistitle Jabotinsky’s “Iron Wall” essay, and who managed to make Edward Said (yes, the fucker caught lying about things like his backstory and inverting who evicted who in regards to Martin Buber) one of the HIGH POINTS of integrity. I have just begun dealing with analyzing (and mostly debunking) one of BadEmpanada’s blood libels.
I did not need to deal with your horseshit.
So let me get this start:
KATE ASKED YOU FUCKING QUESTIONS, YOU FUCKING JEW HATING TERRORIST DEGENERATE.
QUIT DEFLECTING AND ANSWER THEM, YOU FUCKING COWARD. WHY DID YOU AVOID ANSWERING THEM?
Because you can be damn sure I will answer your points.
Classic logically fallacious, gaslighting approach, with the exact same logical value as “when did you stop beating your wife?” Except worse, because at least “when did you stop beating your wife?” can be a logically cogent and correct question IF you have already established said person beat their wife before asking it.
Firstly: “The Israelis, who are the aggressors?” If you want to claim the Israelis are the aggressors, provide a fucking time, date, and incident in which they were the aggressors in this case, or STFU.
Secondly: No, in this case the Israelis were NOT the aggressors. This becomes very fucking obvious if you study October 7th at all, especially given how contingent the attack’s success was on exploiting Israeli complacency on the border and preoccupation with its internal conflicts such as over Judicial Reform and Netanyahu. Absolutely nobody has to be a Netanyahu Cultist (whatever that may be) in order to believe this, and as far as military science and international law goes it is crystal clear, especially considering things like Hamas and its allies such as the PFLP exploited things such as the work visas to gain intel.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/how-israel-was-duped-hamas-planned-devastating-assault-2023-10-08/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2023/11/17/how-hamas-breached-israel-iron-wall/
This is not in serious dispute by anybody short of the most deranged “October 7th Didn’t Happen” Liars.
Thirdly: You go with the source that has a better track record for accuracy, transparency, accountability, and not peddling racist blood libel. That side is Not Hamas or its allies. And I note you cannot even attempt to address this fact, especially in light of things such as the Gaza Ministry of Health’s admission that it cannot fully validate the details for one third of the claimed casualty figures, its prior track record of following Hamas orders, and covering up things like casualties caused in Gazan anti-Hamas protests. There’s a reason I compare them to the Nazi Era German Red Cross.
Oh the ISRAELIS caused all that, with Hamas, the PFLP, and so on having absolutely no responsibility for this? In spite of having openly broken the ceasefire, and having a long history of perfidy and using protected sites and civilians as human shields. As well as other violations of the law such as torture and murder (including of its own citizens).
The assertion about a mass grave, the assertion that Israel is the “aggressor” in this war, the assertion that Hamas and its allies did not engage in mass rape and murder of civilians, and so on.
Agreed, but that also goes for Hamas and its allies, who have been even less responsive and transparent than Israel. Because we are dealing with a totalitarian, deeply secretive alliance of terrorist organizations that embrace institutional disinformation as a way of life and harness communist, fascist, and Islamist elements. This lack of candor is shown by their perfidy in starting this war, and by their refusal to take responsibility for the safety of the hostages, and indeed claims that they do not know the status of all the hostages… precisely BECAUSE they distributed so many of them around both for operational security and to maintain a level of (im)plausible deniability of the abuses, torture, and murder the hostages would suffer, in spite of how utterly devoid of merit such an approach is in the eyes of international law and ethics.
“Fiery but Mostly Peaceful.” Because in spite of the violence on both sides (including the murder of a young Jewish Shepherd and the Riots) neither Fatah nor the Netanyahu Cabinet have incentive to start a war while their mutual enemies like Hamas are being destroyed.
This is funny to me, considering how even the freaking MK member that cheerled for this bullshit has not escaped unscathed. But sure, let’s pretend the IDF is protecting sheep stealers.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/far-right-mk-probed-by-police-for-terror-incitement-after-calling-for-burnt-huwara/
Half-and-half. There has been rioting by Israelis on the West Bank/Judea and Samaria. However, they are not being condoned by the IDF and indeed the MK member cheerleading for them got in hot water because unlike scumbags like you and those you shill for, Israel takes racist hate crimes seriously.
The irony of you the dishonest Hamas shilling dipshit who QUITE LITERALLY AVOIDED ADDRESSING A QUESTION saying this is not lost for me.
So let’s deal with your “evidence.” Second thing first.
Behind a New York Slimes Paywall. Wonderful.
But from what little I can see, including the evolving tagline…
Time to First Bullshit Line: 0 Seconds, 1 Line.
I have plenty of criticism about the British Mandate, but anybody claiming that it “completely thwarted the possibility of a common citizenship” is either ignorant or lying. For starters, the British didn’t START this system, as even a cursory look at the Ottoman Millet system of atomizing and grouping people inside sectarian groups for government would show.
https://www.oxfordbibliographies.com/display/document/obo-9780195390155/obo-9780195390155-0231.xml
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1478-1913.1967.tb01260.x
Ironically the British started to inaugurate the concept of a common citizenship even if they never fully abandoned Ottoman legal precedents. However, the main people responsible for the “complete thwarting” of a “common citizenship” were Jihadist, Racialist, and Nationalist Arab Fanatics like the Sheikh al-Qassem and Mufti of Jerusalem Amin al-Husseini. Notably, during the brief time I had access to the full article, the only mention of al-Husseini (a man who led no less than three wars against Jews, was an ally of the Nazis in a fourth, and who was complicit in a host of genocidal crimes such as the Farhud in 1941 Baghdad) was only mentioned in the attribution for photos. In spite of him causing almost as many Arab deaths as he did Jews. Azzam Pasha also did not get mentioned.
This is way more important than not mentioning Ben-Gurion or C. Weizmann would be, given the totalitarian structure of al-Husseini’s movement. It’d be a bit like trying to talk about the Russian Revolution and Civil War without mentioning *LENIN.*
As such, I will conclude this article is probably a fairly vapid and superficial puff piece, and I have little reason to bother trying to bypass the paywall (let alone pay for it). If it is so vital to your “argument”, you can provide context and content from it.
Did you actually read this thing you were linking to? Because it is downright damning of people like you.
Firstly sam: KATE ASKED YOU A QUESTION, AND YOU DID NOT ANSWER IT. WHY DID YOU DEFLECT LIKE A COWARD?!?!
As for the actual thing you spammed, it matters little but attesting that the people who answered thus on this poll were idiots. And considering that it was of 800 people, that is nowhere near as decisive as you claim.
That’s precious. And I am supposed to care about this why? Apartheid wasn’t an informal system. Where are the complementary laws? And that’s BEFORE I factor in matters like why this former Mossad head is speaking out now, and what his political agenda is.
I have better shit to do than fisk this nonsense, though I probably could. However I will note the sharp contrast in standards, given the far more discriminatory nature of law in the so called “Palestinian Territories” under Hamas and Fatah.
Are you actually reading your sources or what you link?
No, no it is not, and no, no it is not. Israel occupied the territory legally in the Six Days War (especially notable after the genocidal cleansings in 1947-9, climaxing in the Arab Legion’s destruction of the oldest continuous Jewish community in the world with the razing of the Old City of East Jerusalem). Any attempt to claim this will have to summit that.
As for the “presence of the settlement”, considering we’ve had cases of people literally trying to claim Jewish families returning to houses they were kicked out of in 1948-9 and building second stories amounted to “colonization” or “settlement” I have scant interest in this. Doubly so given the PA’s attempts at settler colonization in Jordan and Kuwait.
You DO realize that “Palestinian” originally referred to the Jews, no? This becomes vanishingly obvious if you bother researching the period documents (which I know you have not).
Palestinian lies that reverse the truth are entirely in keeping with Islamic dictates.
“Definition from Oxford Language Dictionary
plural noun: dictates
an order or principle that must be obeyed.”
“For war is deceit” Muhammad
“Israelis, who are the aggressors,”
Good to know you are down with rape, mutilation and murder sam. By the way, punk, Israel has more regard for the lives of Palestinians than their own leaders do and its not close.
“I notice he won’t answer the question about the documented atrocities.”
Because he is in favor of them, that’s what floats his boat.
“you are suggesting that we should rely on the Israelis, who are the aggressors, for the truth”
They have a lot better track record than your savage psychopathic Hamas buds.
Why is it that Palestinians (Hamas, etc.) never produce any Forensic Pathology evidence of their claims? Their claims are most always ‘Staged‘ events in the fashion of the infamous Salam ‘Green Helmet‘ Daher. Hamas has learned from the best…
• 2006 Lebanon War photographs controversies
• Adnan Hajj photographs controversy
Forensic & Forensic Pathology evidence:
“They were burned while tied together”: The gut-wrenching work of identifying victims of the Hamas attack
Evidence on Display at Israel’s Forensic Pathology Center Confirms Hamas’ Atrocities – *WARNING* graphic photos:
Basically melted together.
Don’t care for Chris Cuomo, but he does a great job here: Cuomo: Footage from Oct. 7 attack on Israel shows ‘Hamas wanted war’
Sam is one of the multitude of propagandists that troll sites to defend mass murderers.
Richard F Cook:
“sam” is also a troll who’s been here before.
@neo
I did not know that before. Dare I ask how often they have blighted this before? I don’t remember seeing them.
Related—a sobering brace of articles:
Caroline Glick: “Now is the time for choosing”—
https://www.jns.org/now-is-the-time-for-choosing/
“George Soros is paying student radicals who are fueling nationwide explosion of Israel-hating protests”—
https://nypost.com/2024/04/26/us-news/george-soros-maoist-fund-columbias-anti-israel-tent-city/
(Of course! One of “Biden”‘s best buds…)
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+ Quibble:
“…the razing of the Old City of East Jerusalem…”
Should be, and no doubt what you meant, “…the razing of the Old City’s Jewish Quarter…”
(Note that many buildings in the Jewish Quarter were damaged during the battle by intense artillery and bombing; others, including the major synagogues, were demolished following the surrender of the Quarter to the (Transjordanian) Arab Legion; however, some structures and ruins were in a good enough state, all things being relative, to be used as homes by Arab squatters between 1949 and 1967.)
From my humble personal experience here – short time that it has been – This blog seems to be the ‘Chicken Little’ of Trolls falling from the internet onto it. Heck, even the owner has labeled me a “troll” or a “naive” moron.
Granted – “sam” certainly has the Nazi inclinations so often found in Palestinians and many other Islamists, but am not sure that is proof of “sam” being a “troll.” Then again, “sam” also has many characteristics of an America Progressive—possibly with the strong Fascist & antisemitic roots of an Antifa or BLM member.
Will need to see more from “sam” before I consider “sam” a “troll.”…
The NY Post continues to demonstrate why it shares—with “The Babylon Bee”—top billing as America’s “Paper of Record”….
E.g., here’s an interesting article on what happened when certain “Biden” aides tried to share with KJP—gently, to be sure—the news that…”You’re FIRED!!!”…
“Inside the failed White House coup plan to oust Biden press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre”—
https://nypost.com/2024/04/26/us-news/inside-the-failed-white-house-coup-against-press-secretary-karine-jean-pierre/
…And a chilling one on the ramifications of abusing AI.
“Baltimore HS athletic director used AI to make fake clip of principal spouting racist rhetoric…”—
https://nypost.com/2024/04/25/us-news/baltimore-hs-staffer-used-ai-to-make-fake-clip-of-principal-spouting-racist-rhetoric-police
One must assume that character-assassination attempts such as this one are going to become the new normal….
Droll.
“…brace…”
And then there’s this odiously clever obscenity…
“International Criminal Court’s vicious smear tactics against America’s allies”—
https://nypost.com/2024/04/25/opinion/international-criminal-courts-tactics-smear-the-injustice-of-americas-allies/
(Though I don’t know how many times one has to tell otherwise astute and courageous commentators that “Biden” is NO ALLY of the Jewish State…AKA “…we’re not in Kansas anymore…”)
Oh
https://twitter.com/EsotericCD/status/1783812306700296665
Karmi, Neo has access to the sign-in for comments, and maybe origin data beyond what’s entered, so she may know “sam” is a previously-encountered troll.
Turtler, it’s always a pleasure to read your thorough fisks.
Thanks for that info, Kate!
Sorry “sam,” and shame on you, but humble me is now moving you onto my Karmic Troll List…
Tim blairs law
https://twitter.com/mushfiq_econ/status/1783713751809527912
Neo
Did not know that. Thanks!
Miguel, 9:34 am: Wow. Shafik’s only frequently-cited paper is a republication of a previous work, with the junior author’s name removed. The X post showing this problem is by a Yale economics professor.
@Kate
Thank you kindly, but you were the one asking the important questions.
and she used those credentials to ascend to the commanding heights, well mid ranks in the Foreign Office, the Bank of England, the LSE, and comparative institutions across the pond, she was early on the equity and climate change bandwagon, both very lucrative bunkum, that would not pass the smell test at Hogwarts,
this is the problem with much of the upper class intelligentsia, like Ahdaf Souif and Alaswani, that i’ve spoken before, their paradigm of some utopian world view, has catastrophic consequences, I’m sure she was all in on the Arab Spring, that ushered in Morsi,
https://www.takimag.com/article/hello-muddah-hello-faddah-here-i-am-at-intifada/
Turtler:
Kudos for having the patience to fisk “sam.”
@Neo
Thank you kindly. Honestly hearing this is common for them is enraging. Deserves to be banned from what I see.
Turtler:
I do ban such trolls. But they often come back as sock puppets, or new ones come. It’s just the way it goes.