Clog dancing is also big in Wales and parts of England. Clogs were important in Northern English working class culture. “Clogs to clogs in three generations” is a proverb about the rise and fall of families. It also describes the plot of many novels — and perhaps, on a longer scale, the fate of nations.
_________
The latest panic is over Russian a-bombs in space.
Is this real or just more fake news?
RE: UFOs and our human ability to comprehend something which may just be way outside of our usual ken.
I am part way through a fascinating and well written book by a philosophy professor, laying out how the evolutionary, biological, and socio-cultural limitations built into our ability to perceive, plus the consensus reality we live within make, first, perceiving and, second, comprehending something so far outside of our ken as the UFO Phenomenon an extremely hard thing to do.
I wouldn’t say that this is a “difficult” book, but you really do have to stop and think about what he says, and to reevaluate some of your suppositions.
Part way through and I can already tell that it’s a winner.
I highly recommend reading this very revelatory book.*
* See Dr. James D. Madden’s brand new book, “Unidentified Flying Hyperobject: UFOs, Philosophy, and the End of the World”
they borrowed that from the classic trek episode, with robert lansing and terry garr, about the flying orbiting platforms, also that little known irwing allenesque film, meteor*, that armageddon, riff offed 20 years later,
the late natalie wood played a Russian scientist, connery played himself, henry fonda as the President, the meteor from the film, was destroyed by said orbital platforms, but not before it takes out lower manhattan, a premature SMOD
yes elegant simplicity,
Aaaaegh! I knew it. I was enjoying that so much. A style I don’t recall seeing much of and then – Bam! At three minutes they started killing my already-this-morning aching knees.
Like clog dancing too but my knees do not.
Cool vid. Soooo much energy.
Listened to some of the testimony by Wade in Atlanta. He took lessons from Bill Clinton – what is, is. Twisting and turning, squirming. It was obvious that he was lying. But, I have not faith that this will turn out well for Trump
Too funny, Joe Manchin is considering running for president with Mitt Romney as his VP. A two Democrat ticket.
I watched the video looking at the faces, hand and arm placement, etc – the small details of the dance. Neo’s comments on videos are helping me appreciate the details.
If this was a audition style video to determine who goes on stage, there were some clear winners in the crowd. It would be interesting to watch a stage presentation of the same dance to compare the dancers’ efforts.
I can complete the IRS Tax forms on my computer. I can do that. But, I must have the instruction booklet in hand. We have an IRS office here in town but there has been no one staffing it since before COVID. I just used the IRS system to order the 1040 Instruction booklet. Let’s see how long this will take! 🙂
A vitally important article on Hayek’s “Road to Serfdom…its historical record, the debates it provoked and its especial current relevance.
“Still Trudging Towards Serfdom”— https://lawliberty.org/still-trudging-towards-serfdom/
H/T Powerline blog.
Anne – have you checked your post office or library. I remember getting tax forms there. I like to get the pdf version of the instructions from the IRS website. At least, there are links embedded in the pdf form.
In the last few years, whenever I find the rule or explanation in the pdf, I print out the page as part of my documentation. This helps whenever the IRS changes something, such as the the rules for RMD for beneficiaries IRAs. And it helped in doing my return the following year.
I use the H&R Block program since I also file a trust tax return. I used to keep up with the various rules, but I now rely on the program to do it. I am not going to trust the IRS to fill in my return. If they make a mistake, they will probably still penalize you.
Re: Taxes
Anne:
I haven’t tried Chat with IRS forms, but Chat is now my goto when I am baffled by some online obstacle course one must run to accomplish something mundane.
RE: A diminished China, and the destruction wrought by the Red Guards.
Just today I happened to stumble upon a collection of the first photographs ever taken of China, around 170 years ago, and that got me thinking.
I have always been drawn by traditional Japan and, later, traditional China—countries, cultures, and histories which I found both exotic and fascinating, far different from my own–and one of the main focuses of my undergraduate and, then, graduate studies was on China.
I’ve recently been posting here about the severe population declines which are now taking place, especially in China and Japan.
I’ve always been most interested in the long history, culture, and the philosophies of traditional, not modern, Japan and China.
As between China or the U.S. I, of course, pick the U.S. to win the “Great game.”
But, now that it appears that China will be dwindling in both population/size and influence, it’s very sad that so much of the evidence for the accomplishments of its traditional civilization—things which the Chinese could possibly fall back on to give a diminished China a renewed sense of true pride—were apparently destroyed by the frenzied, savage madness of the Red Guards (how much did they actually destroy, and how important was it?), or perhaps wiped out by “modernization.”
Are there enough examples and remnants of traditional China’s culture and accomplishments in various museums and documents, kept safe around the world, to recreate and reinvigorate a good part of what was destroyed?
Who knows?
P.S. According to reports, the Red Guards were particularly thorough in their destructive rampage in Tibet, and destroyed an innumerable number of monasteries and nunneries–laicizing most of their their occupants–and went on, in an orgy of destruction of religious sites, texts, and objects.
From what I have read, it appears that the few monasteries left, which tourists visit, are under the strict control of the Chinese authorities, as are the lamas who are left, whose formerly many year’s long and rigorous course of instruction to attain the equivalent of a Ph.D has reportedly been greatly watered down and shortened.
Re: Clog dancing
Abraxas, Oliginocella:
I did a bit o’ clog dancing in my folk dancing days. Once you got the hang of the shuffle-step you were good to go. It was fun. With practice you could get fancy.
While I was watching the great “Justified” FX series, I noticed Walton Goggins, the show’s mastermind villain, clog dancing and doing pretty damn good. I wondered if he had a clog double.
But no, Goggins had been brought up in Alabama and he knew clog dancing. His mother was a publicist who handled B.B. King. The Goggins and B.B. were sufficiently close that mother and son were invited to clog dance on a B.B.King tour!
So I looked for more clogging and the pickings were slim. I settled on this one. It’s not brilliant, but it’s the only top line search pick which shows the full body happening, which is what I want to see in clogging.
Given some of the dancer’s motions were so quick, they really need to wear colorful shoes to help follow that motion – say gold and purple for the women and men, respectively, along with some continually-on lighting or lights that flash when they strike the floor.
=============
Snow on Pine: ref. heritage oriental dress and practices, etc.
Conversely, I am struck by how often we see the leaders of China, Japan, et al., along with those from the Middle East or elsewhere (sometimes also Africa), adopt western style suit and tie type dress. An open acknowledgement of the superiority of the western culture and canon?? Especially surprising given the “chauvinistic supremacism”* of both the Han Chinese and most Islamic peoples/cultures.
Occasionally you will see Muslims in traditional dress; or Chinese CCPer’s in the high button shirt-no tie (Mao?) option (and among the Iranian mullah’s too).
If these political systems and cultures are so wonderful, why do their leaders adopt western values in this area. Along with many of their fellow citizens preferring to flee to western societies for employment and maybe even freedoms?
Seems we are missing a great propaganda point to not make more of this.
Speaking of clothing, it also seems that most of the migrates from “Syria” or others trekking into Europe were pretty well clothed for cool/cold weather environments??
*HT to Bruce Thornton for this phrasing.
Without going all white supremacist, I had to ask Chat:
_______________________________
huxley: Is there a relationship between tap dancing and Appalachian clogging?
ChatGPT: Yes, there is a relationship between tap dancing and Appalachian clogging. Both dance forms share roots in a blend of African, European, and Native American dance traditions. Tap dancing evolved in the United States in the 19th century, combining elements of African rhythms and movements with European clog dances and Irish step dancing. Appalachian clogging, on the other hand, developed in the Appalachian region of the United States, drawing from English, Scottish, Irish, and Cherokee dance traditions.
The two forms share similarities in their use of footwork to create percussive rhythms. Clogging typically involves a more flat-footed style with an emphasis on the downbeat, while tap dancing focuses on a variety of sounds created by the metal taps on the shoes and includes more intricate footwork. Over time, the two forms have influenced each other, leading to the development of new styles and variations.
_______________________________
In other words, clogging came before tap.
Which isn’t a big deal, unless one insists on erasing the white influence.
The Welsh have a unique form of clogging which is distinct from other British and American variants, and actually has a lot in common with the dance style in Neo’s link.
The Welsh stepdance (Welsh: Dawns stepio) or Welsh clog dance (Welsh: Clocsio) is a traditional Welsh form of dance involving clog shoes and percussive movement of the feet and athletic movements. It is typically done to Welsh traditional music and wearing traditional Welsh costume, but not always.
The Welsh stepdance is an unbroken tradition that was typically performed by slate quarry workmen and farmers. Dancers would often compete with each other to prove who had the most impressive dancing, stamina and athleticism. Welsh clog dancing also includes “tricks” which makes it unique compared to other forms of step dancing such as Irish dancing, Scottish dancing and English clog dancing. These tricks can include, but are not limited to; snuffing out a candle flame using the wooden soles of the shoes, toby stepping (kicking legs out in a squat position similarly to Cossack dancing) and high leaps into the air such as straddle jumping.
…
It is likely that clog dancing survived with an unbroken tradition because it was easier to continue dancing as an individual on the hearth or stable loft. The travelling community in Wales are also associated with maintaining the tradition. The middle of the 20th century saw the revival of interest in clog dancing and significant dancing figures emerged such as Hywel Wood who was a traveller from Parc near Bala and another dancer named Caradog Pugh hailing from Llanuwchlyn. There are only occasional references to women dancing in literature.
The “traveling community” are colloquially called Sipsiwn (ship-shoon) aka Gypsies; the woman who pretty much singlehandedly preserved the Welsh triple harp tradition was also of that heritage.
Although women were not traditionally cloggers, just like East European women not doing the male athletic steps, the contemporary scene has just as many females as males, with modified stepping. I was privileged to know one of the best American woman clogger before she “retired” — it’s a vigorous sport.
Here’s an old documentary about the history and culture surrounding the dance, with some young people doing the traditional steps accompanied by a harper, when the “revival” was getting started. Note that the shoes are of a unique shape, and have a wooden sole to make the rhythmic tapping characteristic of the dance style. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGRn1XDYIVc
“Clog Dance (1959) | BFI National Archive”
And here are two modern dancers who could have stepped out on any country-western dance floor in America. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13GMAgl3YjE
“Two members of the Welsh folk group Calan put down their instruments at the New Bedford Folk Festival and put on a demonstration of clogging, using typical Welsh wooden soled shoes.”
This is a young man doing a competition solo at the Welsh Eisteddfod and using some of the “tricks” characteristic of the male dancers. Sadly, the camera-person misses a lot of his best work (and ought to be fired), but the end of the video shows some of it well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGwAPic9AbQ
Trystan_ Wrecsam 2011.mpg Welsh clog dance
The “traveling community” are colloquially called Sipsiwn (ship-shoon) aka Gypsies; the woman who pretty much singlehandedly preserved the Welsh triple harp tradition was also of that heritage.
The ancestors of actual Gypsies (Roma) came from India, but I believe that Welsh Travelers are ethnically Welsh, although their lifestyle is similar to that of Gypsies. Perhaps I misunderstood what you wrote.
@ Jordan > always good to check; my informant was a Welshman who learned his harp from the woman I mentioned.
“Ethnically” can be an elastic word, I think.
How far back does one go for ancestral roots?
The Kale (also Kalá, Valshanange; Welsh: Roma yng Nghymru, Sipsiwn Cymreig, Cale) are a group of Romani people in Wales. Many claim to be descendants of Abram Wood, who was the first Rom to reside permanently and exclusively in Wales in the early 18th century, although Romanichal Travellers have appeared in Wales since the 16th century.[2] Welsh Kale are almost exclusively found in Northwest Wales, specifically the Welsh-speaking areas. Romanichal Travellers inhabit South Wales (in and around Cardiff, Swansea and Newport) and North East Wales (in and around Wrexham as well as in parts of Wales close to Liverpool and Chester).
…
The Welsh Kale are extremely closely related to English Romanichal Travellers, Scottish Lowland Romany Travellers, Norwegian and Swedish Romanisæl Travellers and Finnish Kale.[3] They are considered part of the Gypsy, Roma and Traveller (GRT) community.[4]
…
Welsh, English, Scottish, Swedish, Norwegian and Finnish Romani share common ancestry from a wave of Romani immigrants who came to England in the 16th century.[7]
… While preserving their travelling lifestyle, the Kale grew to claim several aspects of Welsh culture, including the Welsh language, conversion to Christianity, taking on Welsh surnames, and participating in regional and national eisteddfodau. Notably, John Robert Lewis, the husband of Abram Wood’s granddaughter, would win prizes for harping in 1842, 1848, and 1850.[8]
Another descendant, John Roberts,[9] earned the sobriquet “Telynor Cymru”, and taught his whole family various instruments. His illustrious career culminated in a performance before Queen Victoria at Palé Hall in Llandderfel near Bala on 24 August 1889, on the occasion of the Royal Visit to Wales. John Roberts played with his nine sons, all of them on the harp.[10]
AesopFan,
Thanks for your reply. I was wrong.
I had never heard of Welsh Travellers, but was guessing they were similar to Irish Travellers (or English Travellers, who I incorrectly thought were not of Romany origin).
I also see that there are “Indigenous Highland Travellers” in Scotland. https://celticanamcara.blogspot.com/2010/01/scottish-tinkers-and-travellers.html
What a strange culture still existing in the modern world!
I can’t say that Brave New World is a barrel of laughs, but it actually has more wit and humor than Orwell’s dystopia. Orwell’s world is grayer and more violent whereas Huxley’s dystopia is more gentle and colorful, and he does inject some humor. Nevertheless they are both masterpieces IMHO, and both are definitely dystopias. This is my post comparing the two books.
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“Wellness” in the UK…
“Apprentice star Dr Asif Munaf claims ‘they did me dirty’ after the BBC dropped him from spin-off show for ‘making anti-Semitic comments in string of social media posts’ ;
” Dr Munaf described Zionism as a ‘satanic cult’ in the aftermath of October 7…”—
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13087309/Apprentice-star-Dr-Asif-Munaf-claims-did-dirty-BBC-dropped-spin-making-anti-Semitic-comments-string-social-media-posts.html
Cute graf:
“…Dr Munaf – who now owns his own wellness brand – described Zionism as a ‘satanic cult’ in the aftermath of the October 7 terror attack….”
File under: The doctor is out…of his mind…. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBojbjoMttI
Got up to 3” of snow here. At sea level. In western Washington. Ugh.
the two yoots
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13088385/Two-three-Kansas-City-parade-shooting-suspects-JUVENILES-bloodbath-killed-one-result-personal-dispute-cops-say.html
Clog dancing is also big in Wales and parts of England. Clogs were important in Northern English working class culture. “Clogs to clogs in three generations” is a proverb about the rise and fall of families. It also describes the plot of many novels — and perhaps, on a longer scale, the fate of nations.
_________
The latest panic is over Russian a-bombs in space.
Is this real or just more fake news?
RE: UFOs and our human ability to comprehend something which may just be way outside of our usual ken.
I am part way through a fascinating and well written book by a philosophy professor, laying out how the evolutionary, biological, and socio-cultural limitations built into our ability to perceive, plus the consensus reality we live within make, first, perceiving and, second, comprehending something so far outside of our ken as the UFO Phenomenon an extremely hard thing to do.
I wouldn’t say that this is a “difficult” book, but you really do have to stop and think about what he says, and to reevaluate some of your suppositions.
Part way through and I can already tell that it’s a winner.
I highly recommend reading this very revelatory book.*
* See Dr. James D. Madden’s brand new book, “Unidentified Flying Hyperobject: UFOs, Philosophy, and the End of the World”
they borrowed that from the classic trek episode, with robert lansing and terry garr, about the flying orbiting platforms, also that little known irwing allenesque film, meteor*, that armageddon, riff offed 20 years later,
the late natalie wood played a Russian scientist, connery played himself, henry fonda as the President, the meteor from the film, was destroyed by said orbital platforms, but not before it takes out lower manhattan, a premature SMOD
yes elegant simplicity,
Aaaaegh! I knew it. I was enjoying that so much. A style I don’t recall seeing much of and then – Bam! At three minutes they started killing my already-this-morning aching knees.
Like clog dancing too but my knees do not.
Cool vid. Soooo much energy.
Listened to some of the testimony by Wade in Atlanta. He took lessons from Bill Clinton – what is, is. Twisting and turning, squirming. It was obvious that he was lying. But, I have not faith that this will turn out well for Trump
Too funny, Joe Manchin is considering running for president with Mitt Romney as his VP. A two Democrat ticket.
https://redstate.com/levon/2024/02/15/joe-manchin-says-he-will-ask-gop-senator-to-be-his-vp-if-he-runs-for-president-n2170160
I watched the video looking at the faces, hand and arm placement, etc – the small details of the dance. Neo’s comments on videos are helping me appreciate the details.
If this was a audition style video to determine who goes on stage, there were some clear winners in the crowd. It would be interesting to watch a stage presentation of the same dance to compare the dancers’ efforts.
I can complete the IRS Tax forms on my computer. I can do that. But, I must have the instruction booklet in hand. We have an IRS office here in town but there has been no one staffing it since before COVID. I just used the IRS system to order the 1040 Instruction booklet. Let’s see how long this will take! 🙂
A vitally important article on Hayek’s “Road to Serfdom…its historical record, the debates it provoked and its especial current relevance.
“Still Trudging Towards Serfdom”—
https://lawliberty.org/still-trudging-towards-serfdom/
H/T Powerline blog.
Anne – have you checked your post office or library. I remember getting tax forms there. I like to get the pdf version of the instructions from the IRS website. At least, there are links embedded in the pdf form.
In the last few years, whenever I find the rule or explanation in the pdf, I print out the page as part of my documentation. This helps whenever the IRS changes something, such as the the rules for RMD for beneficiaries IRAs. And it helped in doing my return the following year.
I use the H&R Block program since I also file a trust tax return. I used to keep up with the various rules, but I now rely on the program to do it. I am not going to trust the IRS to fill in my return. If they make a mistake, they will probably still penalize you.
Re: Taxes
Anne:
I haven’t tried Chat with IRS forms, but Chat is now my goto when I am baffled by some online obstacle course one must run to accomplish something mundane.
I suggest ChatGPT 3.5, which is free:
https://chat.openai.com/
RE: A diminished China, and the destruction wrought by the Red Guards.
Just today I happened to stumble upon a collection of the first photographs ever taken of China, around 170 years ago, and that got me thinking.
I have always been drawn by traditional Japan and, later, traditional China—countries, cultures, and histories which I found both exotic and fascinating, far different from my own–and one of the main focuses of my undergraduate and, then, graduate studies was on China.
I’ve recently been posting here about the severe population declines which are now taking place, especially in China and Japan.
I’ve always been most interested in the long history, culture, and the philosophies of traditional, not modern, Japan and China.
As between China or the U.S. I, of course, pick the U.S. to win the “Great game.”
But, now that it appears that China will be dwindling in both population/size and influence, it’s very sad that so much of the evidence for the accomplishments of its traditional civilization—things which the Chinese could possibly fall back on to give a diminished China a renewed sense of true pride—were apparently destroyed by the frenzied, savage madness of the Red Guards (how much did they actually destroy, and how important was it?), or perhaps wiped out by “modernization.”
Are there enough examples and remnants of traditional China’s culture and accomplishments in various museums and documents, kept safe around the world, to recreate and reinvigorate a good part of what was destroyed?
Who knows?
P.S. According to reports, the Red Guards were particularly thorough in their destructive rampage in Tibet, and destroyed an innumerable number of monasteries and nunneries–laicizing most of their their occupants–and went on, in an orgy of destruction of religious sites, texts, and objects.
From what I have read, it appears that the few monasteries left, which tourists visit, are under the strict control of the Chinese authorities, as are the lamas who are left, whose formerly many year’s long and rigorous course of instruction to attain the equivalent of a Ph.D has reportedly been greatly watered down and shortened.
Re: Clog dancing
Abraxas, Oliginocella:
I did a bit o’ clog dancing in my folk dancing days. Once you got the hang of the shuffle-step you were good to go. It was fun. With practice you could get fancy.
While I was watching the great “Justified” FX series, I noticed Walton Goggins, the show’s mastermind villain, clog dancing and doing pretty damn good. I wondered if he had a clog double.
But no, Goggins had been brought up in Alabama and he knew clog dancing. His mother was a publicist who handled B.B. King. The Goggins and B.B. were sufficiently close that mother and son were invited to clog dance on a B.B.King tour!
The Clogging Goggins!
–“Walton Goggins Shows Off His Clogging Skills While Revealing His Connection To Blues Legend B.B. King”
https://uproxx.com/tv/walton-goggins-clog-bb-king/
Re: More clogging
So I looked for more clogging and the pickings were slim. I settled on this one. It’s not brilliant, but it’s the only top line search pick which shows the full body happening, which is what I want to see in clogging.
–“Appalachian Clogging”, Matthew Olwell & Emily Oleson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pctzc3v5Cx0
Given some of the dancer’s motions were so quick, they really need to wear colorful shoes to help follow that motion – say gold and purple for the women and men, respectively, along with some continually-on lighting or lights that flash when they strike the floor.
=============
Snow on Pine: ref. heritage oriental dress and practices, etc.
Conversely, I am struck by how often we see the leaders of China, Japan, et al., along with those from the Middle East or elsewhere (sometimes also Africa), adopt western style suit and tie type dress. An open acknowledgement of the superiority of the western culture and canon?? Especially surprising given the “chauvinistic supremacism”* of both the Han Chinese and most Islamic peoples/cultures.
Occasionally you will see Muslims in traditional dress; or Chinese CCPer’s in the high button shirt-no tie (Mao?) option (and among the Iranian mullah’s too).
If these political systems and cultures are so wonderful, why do their leaders adopt western values in this area. Along with many of their fellow citizens preferring to flee to western societies for employment and maybe even freedoms?
Seems we are missing a great propaganda point to not make more of this.
Speaking of clothing, it also seems that most of the migrates from “Syria” or others trekking into Europe were pretty well clothed for cool/cold weather environments??
*HT to Bruce Thornton for this phrasing.
Without going all white supremacist, I had to ask Chat:
_______________________________
huxley: Is there a relationship between tap dancing and Appalachian clogging?
ChatGPT: Yes, there is a relationship between tap dancing and Appalachian clogging. Both dance forms share roots in a blend of African, European, and Native American dance traditions. Tap dancing evolved in the United States in the 19th century, combining elements of African rhythms and movements with European clog dances and Irish step dancing. Appalachian clogging, on the other hand, developed in the Appalachian region of the United States, drawing from English, Scottish, Irish, and Cherokee dance traditions.
The two forms share similarities in their use of footwork to create percussive rhythms. Clogging typically involves a more flat-footed style with an emphasis on the downbeat, while tap dancing focuses on a variety of sounds created by the metal taps on the shoes and includes more intricate footwork. Over time, the two forms have influenced each other, leading to the development of new styles and variations.
_______________________________
In other words, clogging came before tap.
Which isn’t a big deal, unless one insists on erasing the white influence.
Watch:
–“Appalachian Clogging”, Matthew Olwell & Emily Oleson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pctzc3v5Cx0
And tell me that ain’t tap dancing.
The Welsh have a unique form of clogging which is distinct from other British and American variants, and actually has a lot in common with the dance style in Neo’s link.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_stepdance
The “traveling community” are colloquially called Sipsiwn (ship-shoon) aka Gypsies; the woman who pretty much singlehandedly preserved the Welsh triple harp tradition was also of that heritage.
Although women were not traditionally cloggers, just like East European women not doing the male athletic steps, the contemporary scene has just as many females as males, with modified stepping. I was privileged to know one of the best American woman clogger before she “retired” — it’s a vigorous sport.
Here’s an old documentary about the history and culture surrounding the dance, with some young people doing the traditional steps accompanied by a harper, when the “revival” was getting started. Note that the shoes are of a unique shape, and have a wooden sole to make the rhythmic tapping characteristic of the dance style.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGRn1XDYIVc
“Clog Dance (1959) | BFI National Archive”
And here are two modern dancers who could have stepped out on any country-western dance floor in America.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13GMAgl3YjE
“Two members of the Welsh folk group Calan put down their instruments at the New Bedford Folk Festival and put on a demonstration of clogging, using typical Welsh wooden soled shoes.”
This is a young man doing a competition solo at the Welsh Eisteddfod and using some of the “tricks” characteristic of the male dancers. Sadly, the camera-person misses a lot of his best work (and ought to be fired), but the end of the video shows some of it well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGwAPic9AbQ
Trystan_ Wrecsam 2011.mpg Welsh clog dance
“Without going all white supremacist…”
Sorry…
“Seattle English Students Told It’s “White Supremacy” To Love Reading, Writing”—
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/seattle-english-students-told-its-white-supremacy-love-reading-writing
Which I guess means…Dancin’, Yeah…
Aesop Fan,
You wrote
The ancestors of actual Gypsies (Roma) came from India, but I believe that Welsh Travelers are ethnically Welsh, although their lifestyle is similar to that of Gypsies. Perhaps I misunderstood what you wrote.
@ Jordan > always good to check; my informant was a Welshman who learned his harp from the woman I mentioned.
“Ethnically” can be an elastic word, I think.
How far back does one go for ancestral roots?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kale_(Welsh_Roma)
AesopFan,
Thanks for your reply. I was wrong.
I had never heard of Welsh Travellers, but was guessing they were similar to Irish Travellers (or English Travellers, who I incorrectly thought were not of Romany origin).
I also see that there are “Indigenous Highland Travellers” in Scotland. https://celticanamcara.blogspot.com/2010/01/scottish-tinkers-and-travellers.html
What a strange culture still existing in the modern world!
its been a while since I read it
https://scrapsfromtheloft.com/books/brave-new-world-foreword/#:~:text=A%20flickering%20hunger%20for%20authenticity%20pushes
I know I didn’t find an enjoyable experience
miguel cervantes:
I can’t say that Brave New World is a barrel of laughs, but it actually has more wit and humor than Orwell’s dystopia. Orwell’s world is grayer and more violent whereas Huxley’s dystopia is more gentle and colorful, and he does inject some humor. Nevertheless they are both masterpieces IMHO, and both are definitely dystopias. This is my post comparing the two books.