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Roundup: Epstein names and more

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(1) Epstein was – among other things – a big Democrat donor, and plenty of Democrats schmoozed with him, some repeatedly. But that doesn’t inevitably lead to the conclusion they were complicit in his crimes of sexually exploiting underage girls.

And so the release yesterday of a bunch of names wasn’t much of anything:

Did Jeffrey ever talk to you about Bill Clinton?” the witness was asked. “He said one time that Clinton likes them young, referring to girls,” the person answered.

Actually, we already knew that – i.e. Monica Lewinsky. And this statement about Clinton liking them young was also by a woman saying that someone else – Epstein – told her this. It really doesn’t mean much of anything, and Clinton is exonerated by certain other information released.

And then there’s Stephen Hawking. You have to go to the link to see what I’m talking about.

(2) The Democrats are trying to get additional Republicans, not just Trump, thrown off ballots under a twisted interpretation of the 14th Amendment. Who are the real “insurrectionists” here? Personally, I think even some people who tend to vote Democrat might be alarmed by these machinations of Democrat lawfare.

(3) This seems to me to be a smart move by Trump:

(4) Poor Claudine Gay, victim of rampant racism. I’m pretty sure she’ll find a cushy new gig somewhere, and Harvard will find another DEI hire.

(5) Vivek has a moment with a reporter.

(6) This interview is worth watching, chilling yet psychologically interesting:

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Roundup: Epstein names and more — 57 Comments

  4. Re: Epstein

    Nothingburger? Or Big Pedo Conspiracy?

    For those hoping for the low-lowdown on elite pedophilia, it was disappointing. Maybe Epstein was just a rich, nasty, pervert with some minor hustling on the side.

    Maybe.

    But WTF is this weird temple — supposedly a “music room” — that Epstein built on his private island in Caribbean? What went on there?

    https://www.insider.com/jeffrey-epstein-private-island-temple-2019-7

    The article makes it sound like we are trying to penetrate the motives of the ancient Egyptians who built the pyramids 5000 years ago. Why should this be so mysterious?

    One must also recall Epstein’s peculiar “suicide” which most people understand exactly in such scare quotes. No one can prove — the cameras were oddly inactive — that Epstein was murdered.

    But who wants to defend the “suicide” explanation?

    There still seems more to this than a nothingburger.

  5. In other news, Nikki Haley surpassed Ron DeSantis in the RCP national average and seems to be establishing herself as the primary alternative to Trump, despite having a bad week or two

    She also ‘insulted’ Iowa voters or just stated a historical fact (depending on how one looks at it) by saying New Hampshire ‘corrects’ Iowa. That’s been true in the last three open GOP contests where Iowa picked Huckabee, Santorum and Cruz respectively, but New Hampshire countered with McCain, Romney and Trump.

    In any case, while it might hurt her in Iowa slightly, I’m not sure how much that matters. DeSantis will come in a distant second tk Trump in Iowa, but that will be his peak. He’ll likely drop out after he comes in fourth in New Hampshire. Depending on if Christie gives up then too (I don’t think Vivek matters much), we might have a genuine two person race going into South Carolina, Haley’s hone state. It’ll be an uphill battle for her for sure, but not impossible.

    February could become very interesting, very quickly.

  6. Mia Schem’s interview is pure gold. She put herself on the line to give an insider’s view of Hamas’s behavior, straight from the heart, not a bit overdramatized, as close to truth as a damaged human can get, for the benefit of others who’ve so far only gotten the third-hand views of media folks with all too many axes to grind.

  7. if we understand epstein’s role as a facilitator, as much as his finance part of the operation, one can see why he was so protected, until he was no longer useful to certain parties, across the ocean and beyond, why did a senior obama official, future CIA director, have so much contact with him, about about a fmr israeli prime minister (and future kingmaker)

  8. Ackler:

    For many many months I have considered the non-Trump candidates of no significance in the 2024 race. It has been clear to me that barring some highly unusual events Trump will be the nominee. Also, in the unlikely event that Trump is not the nominee, his voters would go to DeSantis rather than Haley, assuming they both stay in the race.

  9. So what’s Trump going to offer the unions, card check? Import quotas? Yes, the working class recognizes the elites and allies despise them and never really cared about them. But conservatives recognize that unions are monopolies/oligopolies which hinder a productive society. Add the climate of resentment and bitterness unions cultivate is incredibly destructive. Conservatives can only offer unions what they always have: free markets and free people.

  10. I am disgusted, but not even a little bit surprised, at how many headlines mention both Trump and Clinton as being referenced in the release without distinguishing that one was exonerated and one was not.

  11. teamsters presumably want real work, that construction projects, which are not really included in build back better,

  12. Neo,

    You’re likely correct in that Trump remains the heavy favorite for the nomination. My point is simply that if Haley can come in a solid second in, New Hampshire, holding Trump to well under 50% (not unrealistic given the current polling trends) and if DeSantis and Christie both drop out right after (a huge ‘if’, of course), Haley would be poised to make it a two person race with her home state looming (I know Nevada is in between, but still).

    Of course Haley would still be the clear underdog. But she wouldn’t be token opposition either.

  14. I have read multiple articles about Vivek that try to convince me that he’s not ready for Prime Time, that he’s superficial or somehow not (yet) prepared for the presidency.
    Every time I watch a clip like the one you posted, I think he’s the best candidate I have ever seen. Every time.
    That tells me something.

  15. Some argue the repeated Dem efforts to cancel Trump have cemented the Donald’s current lead.

    Some argue that’s the Evil Dem Master Plot because they thought Trump would lose.

    Some argue Dems are now nervous Orange Man Bad can win.
    _______________________________________

    History is a nightmare from which I am trying to awake.

    –James Joyce, “Ulysses”

  16. 2. No, don’t think any Dem, from Far Far Left to middle of the road Dem will think anything is wrong with the lawfare against Trump and any of his allies. I think they want more of it.

  17. SHIREHOME:

    I’m talking about the Dem strategists.

    To pump up Trump supporters for the nomination, then deliver Trump to 2024 election crippled by all the lawsuits and consequent loss of credibility.

    Though, I daresay, Dems are blind to their own loss of credibitliy.

  18. The Epstein release is a ploy, IMO. Get people to look at something other than the border, rising prices (inflation), the foreign policy blunders, etc. Also, the MSM is doing its best to tie Trump to Epstein.

    Trump and the Teamsters. Biden has been horrible for the working class. Trump knows how to talk to union bosses. Union workers prosper when the economy is strong, and prices are stable. That’s what Trump offers.

    Vivek is smart, and fast on his feet. Maybe not ready for prime time, but certainly impressive. What kind of reporter asks a person of color (Vivek) about systemic racism? Ah, yes, the WAPO. Explains it all.

  19. Re: Mia Schem video

    Lawsy. I could only watch it 2-3 minutes at a time. If you make it to 25 minutes, it’s OK. But those are a tough 25 minutes.

    I was struck that the only time Mia really lost it was when she spoke of the hostages she left behind in the tunnels.

    Bring Them Home!

  20. The Epstein release is a ploy, IMO.

    J.J.:

    I assume that the wheels of justice, or what passes for them these days, turn slowly.

    Somehow the Powers That Be couldn’t entirely block the release of the current tranche of disclosure, but they had sanitized it well enough for the nonce.

    A modified, limited, hang-out route, if you will.

  21. Personally, I think even some people who tend to vote Democrat might be alarmed by these machinations of Democrat lawfare.
    ==
    98% of Democratic voters are cud chewingly indifferent or they’re all for it.

  22. Re2. In today’s (4Jan) Open Thread there are 2 comments by “ArtfldgrsShadow” dealing with the Amnesty Act of 1872 as well as an Executive Order by Pres Grant and modifications of Section 3 of 14A. They seem to bring some clarity to the issue we see today. There are links there for all the gory details.

    Re Bill Clinton: Even a casual assessment of Hillary! would go a long way to explaining his tendency to … “wander”. OK, yes, I’m bad. I’ll show myself out…

  25. When I listen to that girl talk I’m reminded, Muslims literally invented the concept of the hate f**k. Muslim men ( but note not women as this is about conquest) can marry Jewish and Christian women (other women like Yazidis or Hindus can be taken as slaves). This is so the subjugated people are forced into permanent decline.

    The progeny are, by every school of sharia, Muslim. No choice. Google Miriam Ibrahim, an American citizen nearly executed in Sudan for the sin of not denying Christ. The Wikipedia page pussyfoots around the issue because they are incapable of dealing with the issue. Islam

  26. I guess it’s only sick to be raped a) by a slave master who is white and b) is named Jefferson. Or c) consent was freely given which denies the whole concept of slavery

  27. C is the latter most often reason to excuse the rapes of Muhammad, assuming the Muhammad of the Quran even existed which i highly doubt but lord knows his supposed example lives on in Gaza. And they just hate Jews. I’m not signing Up.

  28. Dwaz:

    Hardly.

    This woman said Epstein had said it to her. So what? I could have said it; anyone could have said it – we already know Clinton had an affair with the young (21-year-old) Monica Lewinsky when he was president. But there is no evidence of Clinton doing anything sexual with legally underage women, ever, nor is there a single bit of evidence that Clinton had any sexual contact with anyone connected with Epstein. Nor does that witness even say that he did or that Epstein said he did. On the contrary, the released papers include testimony that Clinton refused to have any sexual contact with a young woman who was available to him.

  29. RE: Epstein

    Notice that, in discussions of the release of these documents no one is talking about a few key items.

    First, what did Epstein actually do for a living?

    And if, for instance, he was a high level stock trader, a currency trader, or dabbling in arbitrage, why hasn’t any one turned up the paper trail that such activities would have generated?

    When people are speculating about Epstein’s source of money–by the way, where is all of that money now?–I notice that they never mention that several news stories said that all of the rooms in Epstein’s New York location were wired to record what went on in them i.e. a perfect blackmail setup. I believe the same was also said of some of the structures on his private island.

    Finally, this document release reanimates questions about Epstein’s supposed “suicide,” which has so many unbelievable coincidences, like all of the key cameras being nonfunctional at the time of his supposed suicide, all of the guards who were supposed to do frequent checks on him mysteriously sleeping for a couple of key hours, and his body reportedly being immediately removed from his cell to another location in the prison, and the clothing he wore being cut off and replaced by a new hospital gown, etc., etc.

    I note, as well, the curious news that the sleeping guards received little or no punishment.

    Looking at an autopsy photo of Epstein’s neck, there are quite plain, thin, ligature marks which circle the lower part of his neck and go backward, not upward as they would have had to if he was hanging from twisted strip of fabric torn from those bed sheets, special bed sheets, it is reported, which were specifically designed to be resistant to their being used to commit suicide.

    In an interview last night with Tucker Carlson, Epstein’s brother said that the has not been able to get any detailed information about this supposed “suicide” from the Justice Department.

    Information,for instance, like the names of those in the cells in Epstein’s little cell block, and where they all are now (Officials keep saying that no one would have been able to get through several layers of security to get up to Epstein’s cell block, but what about the other prisoners who were already in that cell block?)

    And were their cell doors open that night, as some have told Epstein’s brother they were?

    And on and on.

  30. P.S.–There was a whole stadium full of the rich and famous who traveled in his orbit who had every reason in the world to see to it that Epstein never told the world what he likely had on them.

    One might also ask, if there were, indeed, likely many thousands of hours of blackmail tapes, who has them now, where are they?

    How about the autopsy result in which three of the bones on Epstein’s throat were broken, and the expert who said that in the 1,000 prison suicides he examined, not one had all three of these bones broken?

  31. P.P.S. cont’d

    But that these three bones had been broken in cases of manual strangulation in prisons which he examined

  32. Epstein was clearly connected to the Mosad through the Maxwells. Perhaps compromising videos were part of a scheme to control politicians and businessmen. And then Epstein outlived his usefulness. The continuing normalization of pedophilia.

    That reminds of this mis-attribution from Claudine Gay:

    Plagiarism is to education as pedophilia is to heterosexuality.

  33. Epstein was clearly connected to the Mosad through the Maxwells
    ==
    There’s a meme that Robert Maxwell worked for the Mossad (doing what, who knows). Robert Maxwell died in 1991. Was Epstein in Ghislaine Maxwell’s social circle at that time?
    ==
    One thing we do know is the location of four glam residential properties that he owned. Ever heard any reference to where his supposed business was located?

  34. RE: Epstein’s “suicide

    It emerged from Carlson’s interview of Epstein’s brother that Epstein had apparently been dead for an estimated (by those two doctors doing the autopsy?) 2 hours before he was found, so he was dead, dead, dead.

    Yet, when he was being transferred to the hospital (prison policy was to quickly move such suicides to a hospital) you could see from the pictures from this transfer–I remember seeing this picture myself–that they had intubated him, and there was the usual bag attached to the tube to push oxygen into his lungs.

    Why intubate someone who had been dead for two plus hours, and pretend you had to help him breathe i.e. that he was still alive?

    Then, it was also said that the two doctors who conducted the autopsy were not so sure that this was a suicide, and wanted more time to study things, but that their superior–who did not attend the autopsy–quickly ruled it a suicide–case closed.

    I note also that then Attorney General Bill Barr said that this was a suicide.

    Everything about this supposed “suicide” stinks.

  35. Cont’d

    Isn’t the first rule not to disturb anything at a potential “crime scene” until all things in that area can be photographed, studied, the clothes the possible victim was wearing examined in minute detail, victim’s nails checked for foreign tissue under them, things swabbed for DNA, vacuumed to pick up hairs, and other traces, various other samples taken, etc.

    Why remove Epstein from his cell,and change what he was wearing?

    Seems to me that this was a deliberate attempt to make it impossible to learn anything from a potential “crime scene.”

  38. Clinton didn’t “take the bait” once. Is that really an exoneration? At this point, a court of law wouldn’t convict him, but so much is still unknown.

    Jeffrey Epstein got his start teaching at the Dalton School when he didn’t even have his bachelor’s degree. Bill Barr’s father had headed the school and it’s said that he had a role in Epstein’s hiring, as he had made other unconventional hires during his headmastership. Stranger still, Donald Barr was a former OSS officer who wrote “a science fiction novel about a planet ruled by oligarchs who engage in child sex slavery.” Not to get too nutty, Bill Barr did have massive trust in the DOJ, FBI, and the rest of the federal bureaucracy, so if he was told that Epstein had committed suicide, he wouldn’t question that.
    _________

    Recent articles at NYT, NY Magazine, the New Republic, and the Atlantic compare Joe Biden to Harry Truman in 1948. The celebration of “Give ’em Hell Harry” back in the Seventies was overdone and mawkish. This current “Biden as Truman” campaign is positively sickening. If Joe wins, expect an avalanche of smarminess.

  39. Barr does have a certain skill in closing out controversies, ruby ridge, before that bcci, Mueller was handling the federal part of this, i could go on, there are many areas where he didn’t even deign to investigate,

  42. Yawrate:

    Epstein was not a pedophile. He was an ephebophile: an adult attracted to post-pubescent teens.

  43. Epstein files to me is smelling like political hits not any kind of justice for victims, still think original thought naming Bill is a Hildabeast being shot across the bow to go away quietly.
    Leftists like Gay this time always seem to fall sideways, and you had to know a Critical Race Theorist the first excuse will be racism.

  44. Snow on Pine:

    Unless the three bones were named, it’s impossible to evaluate what that doctor said. Broken neck bones, including multiple neck bones, are common in both strangulation and in hanging, particularly hanging of older people. It’s a very complex field; here’s a link to some of the research. In particular, If Epstein broke his cricoid cartilage, that in particular would point to strangulation. But I’ve not seen anyone stating that he broke that particular structure.

  45. so who is being charged with enjoying the services that ghislaine provided, mitchell (who worked with George Nader, who later became a star witness to mueller, because he worked for the UAE, and adjunct to trump, subsequently tried
    which makes his 150 times he was cited suspects) that’s just one node, Brunel, as we note met a similar fate

  46. Epstein was not a pedophile. He was an ephebophile: an adult attracted to post-pubescent teens.
    ==
    Ephebes are male.
    ==
    Epstein was an exploiter. However the authorities in Florida had to scrounge to find anyone he’d used who was below the age of consent at the time. What was odd about the Virginia Roberts case is that her lawyers managed to carve a multi-million dollar settlement out of Prince Andrew even though taking everything she said at face value, she was of age (in the jurisdiction in question) on the occasion of each tryst they had.

  47. I think it’s a reasonable supposition that
    ==
    1. Epstein was never in business. He was an employee of persons not yet named. My first guess would be the Central Intelligence Agency, violating yet again the law against operating domestically.
    ==
    2. He was strangled in a hit job. Too many coincidences.

  48. Recent articles at NYT, NY Magazine, the New Republic, and the Atlantic compare Joe Biden to Harry Truman in 1948.
    ==
    They’re written by liars or by callow twits who know nothing about the public life of the country before they were born (except perhaps Emmett Till and the Edmund Pettus Bridge).

  49. he could have been a cutout or proprietary, in the parlance, thats why the us atty at the time, was told to lay off, I notice a certain rhyming with the way they cast
    the villain in casino royale, they made him albanian (just to throw off the scent)
    but lived in a villa on an island, provided services for militia, (which it turns out was kony’s gang) they didn’t make a big deal about that for six years, as well as intelligence services, the Company, the Firm the Institute (as Mossad calls itself)

  50. Art Deco:

    Not just males, although some people use the term that way.

    See this.

    However, I agree with what you said here: “Epstein was an exploiter. However the authorities in Florida had to scrounge to find anyone he’d used who was below the age of consent at the time.”

    As for the Prince Andrew settlement, it’s very common for famous people to pay people to shut up rather than to fight the charges even if the famous person is not guilty.

  51. Not a nothingburger (Epstein) but a tough chew. Lots of insinuations, little hard evidence. He managed to meet a lot of people who now wish they hadn’t.

  52. it’s very common for famous people to pay people to shut up rather than to fight the charges even if the famous person is not guilty.
    ==
    He’d already been disgraced, and either there was no non-disclosure agreement or she’s disregarded it. The only reason to have reached a settlement would be you don’t trust the British judiciary to toss a meritless suit.

  53. Bill Barr did have massive trust in the DOJ, FBI, and the rest of the federal bureaucracy,
    ==
    Less plausible than “Bill Barr was complicit”, as he was in other things.
    ==
    IIRC, Epstein was hired at the Dalton School in 1976 and taught there for about two years. Odd biographical curio, I doubt of much significance.

  54. Barr does have a certain skill in closing out controversies,
    ==
    The controversies go away (as they did in re Gov. Northam et al in Virginia) when they’re inconvenient for the Democratic Party as a collective or when the media don’t give a rip about the people run over. The big target in re BCCI was Clark Clifford. The wronged party at Ruby Ridge was a family of eccentrics our odious establishment is happy to treat like rabid dogs. After Barr left office, Janet Reno was responsible for covering the cans of the perpetrators of a shameful debacle at Waco. Recall what Leon Wieseltier said about the Branch Davidians: “They’re losers, but they’re not the sort of losers the media care about”.

  55. The distinction between pedophile and ephebophile is certainly meaningful. But it’s one thing if an actor or musician is an ephebophile, another if it’s a highly placed politician or official.

  56. There might be a similarity to various issues in the Duty To Report system.
    Say a coach is told that Nassar did something improper. Not horribly so, but offensive and should not have been done. Coach has a lot on his mind and doesn’t need the grief and, besides, it wasn’t all that bad. At least compared to what might have happened in other circumstances.
    “I’ll talk to him about it.”
    Okay. Coach doesn’t report it. The longer he doesn’t report it, the worse it will look when he does. So he never does and then the stuff hits the fan. And…if he’d reported the first offense, the whole thing might have been prevented.
    Maybe they’ll all die in a plane crash or something, the coach might be thinking is his only way out.

    So somebody goes to dinner at Epstein’s place. When done, the table is cleared by two young women wearing very little. Epstein casually remarks they’re fifteen.
    Now what?
    Nobody laid a hand on them. No reason to think they’re not employees. No reason to think they can’t quit if they feel like it.
    So to whom do you report it? And what do you say? And the whole thing is kind of sweaty as it is. And even going there makes you subject to some presumption of….something. So you don’t say anything.
    I’m supposing that an individual could be tied to the Epstein mess without anyone laying a hand on the women in question. Underage or not. But if the circumstances are sufficiently stage managed, the potential embarrassment could be a powerful tool.
    So, I suggest, it’s possible some of the names were ambushed.

  57. clifford, who pled no compus mentis, altman, who was acquitted, bin mahfouz who would fund w’s investments in spectrum 7 and al Queda not at the same time, Pharoan, who would eventually ferry weapons to coalition forces, those are just some of the names that come to mind,

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