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Open thread 12/7/23 — 21 Comments

  1. A personal note.
    On this Day in 1941 my Dad was 23, just having breakfast. Then it happened. War! His ship, the USS Tangier, was tied up on Ford Island next to the USS Utah (old Battleship used as target practice) on the other side from the Battleships. His Duty Station was in the Electronics array up top of the ship, called the Crows Nest. He saw the Arizona blow up. He was high enough that when the Planes came over so low he could see into the cockpits. After the battle he was a communications runner and he said he saw the bodies stacked up.
    Most of you know that the Arizona has Men onboard, but so does the Utah.

  2. Shirehome – My mother was a 23-year-old Army Lieutenant, a nurse, stationed at Ft Bragg, NC. It was a Sunday morning. She was listening to the radio and ironing her uniform blouse, getting ready to go on duty. Her thought: “Well, I guess we’re in it now…here we go.” She said it was a very quiet, serious, heavy feeling. She could look around her on the base and see so many young men………

  3. What a co-inkee-dinky! A family member and friend just saw the Rockettes two nights ago. They had a great time and were thoroughly impressed. I hope Mrs. Firefly and I can see the show one day.

  4. SHIREHOME – Yeah. Utah tends to be forgotten as she was a noncombat ship at the time (the Japanese knew this, and had left her off the list of targets, but some pilots went after her by mistake). She had crew aboard at the time, but didn’t have even a single anti-aircraft gun with which to defend herself The result was a foregone conclusion.

    Like Arizona, she was never raised. Though in her case it was because it wasn’t worth the trouble of raising an outdated hull that hadn’t been combat capable even before she was sunk (there was a single attempt, but efforts were abandoned after that attempt failed).

    She will remain a war grave, a tribute to the men who died on board her that day.

  5. Kate, I noticed the same thing.

    A wish for IDF: “What do you mean, those Gazans are starving, UN? Take a look at our pics!”

  6. Re: Hamas Terrorists Surrender en Masse

    Kate et al.:

    Isn’t that a glorious title? Plus photos…

    Much of the Israeli-Arab conflict has been a cyclical dance, but I do believe there is a larger, overall movement which Israel has been leading.

    At every juncture Israel has been offering, with full sincerity, Muslims a live-and-let-live opportunity. Muslims reject. Muslims attack Israel again. Israel defeats Muslims and tries for coexistance again.

    My impression — Ben David please correct me — is Israel recognizes that Muslims will never accept a compromise, so Israel, more than ever, is now prepared to do whatever it needs to.

    I don’t expect Israel to respond to international handwringing on the tragic plight of the Palestinians. At least, I hope Israel does not.

    Fingers crossed, but I think more of the liberal West is coming around too.

  7. huxley, Arab citizens in Israel are heavily supportive of the war against Hamas, we are credibly told. Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Jordan are quietly supportive of the destruction of Hamas, which threatens their regimes as well.

    I am cautiously hopeful. Showing off these Hamas fighters in this humiliating fashion is designed to make Hamas look like the weak horse in the area. And really, lest someone object, being pictured in their underwear is nothing compared to Israelis who were murdered and disemboweled on Oct. 7.

  8. In my pursuit of French rock idol, Jean-Jacques Goldman (JJG for us fans), I’ve been working on one of his last songs during his semi-retirement.

    It’s a dialog between the older and younger French generations circa 2015 about the future. It’s got a great JJG beat and you can dance to it.

    The lyrics are interesting. JJG took flack for fomenting intergenerational war. Youth voted down the song overwhelmingly, quite unusual for JJG.

    Yet I can hear both sides and sense, overall, the love between them. Which is what I’m sure JJG had in mind.
    _____________________________________

    Jean-Jacques Goldman, “All the life by The Bastards”

    [Teenagers] Closed doors and dark clouds
    This is our heritage, our horizon
    The future and the past burden us
    Did you understand the question?

    [The band] No!

    [Teenagers] You had everything: love and light

    [The band] We fought, we didn’t steal anything

    [Teenagers] We only have our disgusts, our anger

    [The band] But you have, but you have
    Yes you have all life
    It’s an incredible opportunity

    [Teenagers] All the life
    It’s words, it doesn’t mean anything

    [The band] All the life
    You know time is priceless

    [Teenagers] Utopia, without future

    [The band] All the life,
    It’s your turn and go for it
    It’s your turn… go ahead

    [Teenagers] You had everything: peace, freedom, full employment
    We have unemployment, violence and AIDS

    [The band] Everything we have we had to earn
    It’s up to you, but you should move

    [Teenagers] You missed, spent, polluted

    [The band] Am I dreaming or are you smoking?

    [Teenagers] You have soiled the ideologies

    [The band] But you have, but you have
    Yes you have all life
    It’s an opportunity, a challenge

    [Teenagers] All the life
    It’s bogus, it doesn’t mean anything

    [The band] All the life
    You know time is priceless

    –“Toute la vie ?? ?????? – les Enfoirés (parole+arabsub) ??????”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6RSjGd0pt0

    _____________________________________

    “Les Enfoirés — The Bastards” is JJG’s collective group (ironically titled) for his humanitarian efforts.

  9. [The band] But you have, but you have
    Yes you have all life
    It’s an opportunity, a challenge

    [Teenagers] All the life
    It’s bogus, it doesn’t mean anything

    [The band] All the life
    You know time is priceless

    ______________________________

    I’m trying to persuade my niece her gift of life is not a tragedy.

  10. }}} I’m trying to persuade my niece her gift of life is not a tragedy.

    The lost generation. Like the 20yos in the *19*20s. It’s the one after — the ones that are still kids — that are going to have to really grow and develop.

  11. ObloodyHell:

    I believe you recommended that wild Matilda/Rob Zombie mash-up:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQP8MN-1Q30

    My niece liked it and passed me back a couple of Slipknot links.

    I don’t understand the current generation that well. I get they are disillusioned. They are also angrier than I was at that age. Beneath the hippie thing I was pretty angry.

    I wish them the best.

  12. So, how soon will it be before some male identifying himself as a woman, auditions for the Rockettes??

    Israel should interrogate every prisoner they capture and then execute them. These Hamas terrorists know that they will be will be treated as humans in Israeli prisons, so by surrendering now they will live to fight another day after the next inevitable “hostage exchange” program.

  13. Attorney Jeff Childers predicts that a new study in Nature will force the FDA to proscribe rRNA technology like the Covid-19 vaccine. Eventually or soon?

    The research paper has twenty authors. But the substance will take time to comprehend.

    So, we begin. Here’s an excerpt from his much longer post at X:

    No adverse effects were created by the error, data show, but Cambridge scientists found such vaccines were not perfect and sometimes led to nonsense proteins being made instead of the desired Covid “spike”, which mimics infection and leads to antibody production (and) an immune system flare-up.

    The new study, published in Nature, found this occurred in around 25-30 per cent of people.

    Hahaha! The vaccines were “not perfect!!” Omygosh! Please, stop! Hahahaha! It hurts to laugh! Whew. Alright, I’m okay now. Onwards.

    Here’s the simple version: the researchers discovered that a necessary ingredient in the mRNA vaccines (1-methylpseudouridine) has an unfortunate side-effect: it messes up RNA translation one-third of the time by slipping a gear every so often. Instead of making the intended spike protein, these tiny mistranslational slip-ups create … other things. Other kinds of proteins. New ones.

    And there’s no way at all to predict what kind of protein it will create. It’s stochastic (completely random).

    The ‘vaccine’ creates stochastic proteins one third of the time. In one-third of cells, not people, like the Telegraph [newstory often misleadingly explains] again mis-reported. There are trillions of mRNA packages in each shot. So — unless I’m missing something — what the study is saying, without actually saying it, is that this is happening inside every single jab recipient.

    And it’s happening a lot.

    Now, you know I hate to sound negative, but I’m guessing there would have been a lot more vaccine hesitancy had people known that trillions of their cells would soon randomly be creating bizarre, novel proteins, and for an indeterminate and possibly long time.

    That sounds a lot like Russian roulette.
    ____________
    https://twitter.com/jchilders98/status/1732872060253163526

    If so, the many short or continuing side-effects may have a common origin. A vaccine causing “immune system flairs-up” doesn’t sound like good news for Big Pharma PR departments.

    At least this study gives complaints against the Vax a physical mechanism that may be connected to them.

    And thus, long derided and persecuted medical critics will have more than one leg to stand on when is comes to the Covid-19 vaccine.

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