Joe Manchin announces …
… he’s not running for re-election to the Senate in 2024.
Looking back at my posts, in August of 2022 I thought there was a good chance he wouldn’t run for re-election in 2024. Logic tells me his retirement from the Senate is good news for Republicans, and I hope they won’t find a way to muck it up. And looking back to this post of mine from July of 2023, I thought there was at least a possibility that he might try to run for president 3rd party in 2024.
I still think that’s at least a possibility. After all, Manchin presently has this to say about his plans: “what I will be doing is traveling the country and speaking out to see if there is an interest in creating a movement to mobilize the middle and bring Americans together.” Hmmmm.
IMO, he’s the No Labels party candidate.
There’s a middle?
will the price of epinephrine be any lower, rhetorical
“what I will be doing is traveling the country and speaking out to see if there is an interest in creating a movement to mobilize the middle and bring Americans together.”
Absent core principles, ‘compromise’ is simply a disguised surrender.
I don’t think Americans on either side of the political divide want compromise. We’re like Spain just prior to the outbreak of civil war in July 1936. As far as most Spaniards were concerned the time for compromise had passed.
and on point, a former pp deputy, now with Vox, the Make Spain great faction, was shot in broad daylight yesterday,,
Didn’t know that! What is at issue in Spain? Is it in turmoil? Widespread civil unrest? Why?
Does it concern Catalan separatism? Is Catalonia going to split off?
when you have the reformed Communist party in the ruling coalition, well anything is possible,
Neo; “Senate is good news for Republicans, and I hope they won’t find a way to muck it up.”
At this rate, consider as a given, the situation to be pre-mucked.
the targeted deputy, suggests it was because of his support for iranian dissidents, as good an explanation as any,
“I hope they [the GOP] won’t find a way to muck it up.”
Oh, they will, they will. Ronna McDaniels is in charge.
I’ve long been watching for some political movement beyond the usual left-right wrangling.
So far such movements always end up leftist with some magic powder sprinkled on top.
“No Labels” doesn’t quite fit that bill — yet — but mostly it looks like people who are solidly liberal, but they realize current liberals have gone over the edge and they can’t bring themselves to identify as conservative.
}}} I don’t think Americans on either side of the political divide want compromise.
Irish, again, you come across as apologetic.
The Right has been compromising with the Left for DECADES now. We’ve gotten SHIT on as a result. The actual pattern is:
Left: “Give me half of your pie.”
Right: “What? No. Why should I?”
Left: “It’s fair. I have no pie.”
Right: “What? Oh, ok.” (hands over half of pie)
Left: (eats all of its half)
Left: “Give me half of your pie. It’s only fair. I have no pie.”
(repeat, ad nauseum)
MEANWHILE, why should the Left compromise? They’re now in a position to STEAL however much pie they want…
Your comment is apologetic because it suggests the intransigence on both sides derives from the same cause, which is very much not the case.
The Right has just cause for its intransigence, because there is no Good Faith involved by the Left in any compromise.
The Left are just @#$% greedy bastards who want power for the sake of power.
Even Harry Truman could see it in the Left:
ALL of the Left, these days, are Truman’s “Professional Liberals”.
Jill Stein also declared for president today. I don’t know if Cornel West will be in the race with her for the Green Party nomination, but if Kennedy, West, and Stein are in the race, the window may be closing for a No Labels candidacy. Biden, or whoever the Democrat candidate is, will be able to pose as a centrist in comparison to West or Stein. Kennedy can also be made to look like a kook candidate by the media machine. No Labels donors and backers are likely to shy away from the risk of splitting the vote too many ways and letting Trump in again.
Jill Stein also declared for president today.
–Abraxas
In 2016 I don’t recall Trump voters showing any appreciation for Jill Stein. But Democrats didn’t forget:
____________________________
Jill Stein cost Hillary dearly in 2016. Democrats are still writing off her successor. (2020)
The Green Party is set to nominate Howie Hawkins, a Democratic socialist making an explicit play for disaffected Bernie voters.
Jill Stein still haunts Hillary Clinton’s campaign team.
“Oh woof. I can’t bear to talk about that,” said former communications director Jennifer Palmieri.
For good reason: Had voters in Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin cast their ballots for Clinton rather than the Green Party’s Stein, Clinton would be president.
–https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/20/democrats-shrug-off-potential-green-party-spoiler-in-2020-329170
Yeah, there is interest, and RFK Jr has already taken the lead.
huxley (8:25 pm) said: “So far such movements always end up leftist with some magic powder sprinkled on top.”
Yes indeedie. This is very similar to what I’ve observed in people who swear they’re pragmatic, not ideological, they vote for the person, not for the party, blah blah (and again I say unto thee) blah.
They inevitably are liberal. Their paradigms are liberal and their sympathies are liberal.
But I’m not so convinced that “they realize current liberals have gone over the edge and they can’t bring themselves to identify as conservative.” I don’t think they think in those terms. They’re usually not very “into” (partisan) politics, and they strike me as fairly unaware of the over-the-edge crowd on either side; if they think about that crowd at all, they’re dismissed as “the crazies”, and that’s that.
They’re interested in good solutions (that inevitably involve collective(-ist) action, usually orchestrated by government, either local, state, or federal). Ummm, where I come from, that’s liberal.
(Some of their ideas may even be worthy, but cooperation with the left-ideologues will consign a worthy idea to the same old same old. The left-ideologues will screw it all up. They’ll push farther and farther leftward, while the right will have been busy making Z’s. And that’s the way it izzzz . . . .)
OhBloodyHell:
Come again?
Conservative candidates (or any GOP candidate) = anti-abortion, anti-climate change, anti-Medicare, Anti-Social Security, Islamophobic, homophobic, ghouls who want dirty air, dirty water, and are anti-science. This is the mantra that the MSM and the Democrats use to frame the Republican candidates. They put them on the defensive and keep the pressure on.
Moderate minded voters (about 30% of the voters) are swayed by these negative arguments. Even though the Sreele Dossier and Russiagate were all made up lies, the MSM and the Democrats have never backed down, never admitted their lies. Many voters seem to still believe the lies.
Additionally, Democrat candidates will say things like I want to build the economy, or increase jobs, or favor higher wages, or fight climate change, etc. But what the really mean is they want more power over your life.
No Labels has some pretty big names behind it. Here’s their team.
https://www.nolabels.org/meettheteam2022
They are of the opinion that people seeking compromise in the middle can solve the problems we have. I believe they are impossibly naive. If they run a slate, I hope they will take more votes from Biden than the GOP nominee.
Reminder
Robert Conquest’s Second Law of Politics
“Any organization not explicitly right-wing sooner or later becomes left-wing.”
Truth.
I don’t think the No Labels people care — as long as there are No Labels attached.
@OBloodyHell
I largely agree, but it’s ironic you bring up Truman considering he was the person to smear Dewey and Republicans as Fascists in 1944 and 1948, probably the first or close to the first times that happened, and setting a horrible precedent. Honestly the more I learn about Truman – including his pettiness, his corruption, and the literal fraud he pulled on the US Government – the less I esteem him. He may not have been a “Professional Liberal” but his nasty school of machine politics, palling with the Dixiecrats, and character assassination helped empower them in the long run.
“No Name” kinda reminds me of baked beans.
Don’t get me wrong, I like baked beans…but maybe there should be a “Democrats LIE About Everything” Party?
(It should be non-partisan because Democrats, PROUD—at least in private—that they Lie About Everything can also join….”
They Lie About Everything, continued….
‘Taibbi: The Tragic Victimhood Of “Disinformation Experts” ‘—
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/taibbi-tragic-victimhood-disinformation-experts
‘ Dr. Robert Malone Reveals How The Government Tore His Reputation Apart, “Piece By Piece” ‘—
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/dr-robert-malone-reveals-how-government-tore-his-reputation-apart-piece-piece
+ Bonus:
“Running On Censorship: A California Candidate Seeks To Ride The Anti-Free Speech Wave”—
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/running-censorship-california-candidate-seeks-ride-anti-free-speech-wave
But then…(once again, with feeling)…WTH is TRUTH, anyway…?
“I hope they [the GOP] won’t find a way to muck it up.”
Never underestimate the ability of the Republicans to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
“They are of the opinion that people seeking compromise in the middle can solve the problems we have. I believe they are impossibly naive.”
You are more generous than I am. I believe that they won’t do much in the end to solve ANY of the problems.
I am cynical about our government.
zzzzzzz…,
Manchin has an editorial today in the WSJ in case anyone is actually interested in his thoughts. I’m not but I skimmed it. He certainly sounds like someone setting the stage to run.
remember in the end, he gave us a sliver of the green new deal, that destroys his state’s coal industry, he opposed HR 1, which is an abomination, but it shouldn’t hinge on one vote, oh the possums in the GOPe will go along with a little incentive,
Manchin was at times sort of a thorn within the Senate demokrats , which provided a small measure of help to senate dumbpublicans.
Now that he will be gone, and given the ineptitude, stupidity, incompetence of the dumbpublicans, West Virginia will probably elect some hard core liberal progressive as their new senator.
Speaking of the recent elections, and as one could have predicted, we see articles by conservatives and/or republicans ( are they the same thing?) pointing out the “silver lining” in the recent elections or other some-such bullshit.
There was no silver lining; the dumbpublicans, yet again, got their ass kicked in the elections (though they did fine out on Long Island, NY).
Dick Morris predicts Joke Bidet will release all his delegates at the dem convention and throw the nomination wide open. If this is so, let’s hope the dems choose Jill Stein.
OK this will never happen. Not because the dems disagree with any of her Marxist-Leninist agenda – they probably don’t disagree – but they know she cannot win. So they will choose somebody – really anybody – they believe can win.
Articles are appearing about the “dissension” in the demonkrat party.
Maybe there is , maybe not.
Makes no difference,
When push comes to shove, the dems will all unite behind the chosen candidate; even if the candidate is Joke Bidet’s dog or John “Frankenstein” Fetterman.
I will give credit to Fetterman for his pro-Israel stance on the war betwixt Israel and the Gazan-Hama- Einsatzgruppen.
OBloodyHell on November 9, 2023 at 8:26 pm:
This is a first. No one has ever accused me of being apologetic.
yes I give golem props, like that surplus python sketch,
Please forgive me if I have posted this already.
As you know the feminist leadership in my small college town in MT has become DEI in every way possible.
After the 2020 election, there were serious claims of fraudulent election activities. The R party demanded a recount. The Dems in charge waited 18 months before bringing out the boxes of ballots that had been unaccessible (stored somewhere). AND, THEN MAGICALLY after much haggling and many complaints, the paid-for recount was made. People were hired, the boxes magically re-appeared and the physical ballots were counted. And, guess what? It turned out the election had been clean. If, you believe that, I have a bridge for you to buy. But, hey, not to worry, at least now some R voters will still vote.
During this time while the re-count was going on the county installed an all-new computer system. They required everyone to fill in a form either in person or online. Although they did have the information for many voters already in their “new system”. No party affiliation is required, just name address, and phone number. I refused to give them my phone number.
For weeks the local press constantly instructed voters to get their ballot in early. They made it seem that you were required to get it in early. They really wanted all those ballots in the elections office before Nov 7. OH NO, you cannot mail your ballot on Tuesday, November 7. The mailed in ballot has to be in their counting office before the Nov 7. date–postmarks don’t count. The elections office was open so that you could hand carry your ballot on November 7.
This was our experience last week. DH had dutifully filled in all the details on his form two years ago. I did not. I put down what I felt they had a legal right to know. I did not give them my phone number. Also this election I refused to accommodate their demand that my ballot be mailed in ahead of time. I planned to walk it in on Monday or Tuesday. I’ll bet you can’t guess what happened next.
On Friday, November 3rd–four days before the election– they texted my DH on HIS PHONE. The text went something like this: “Anne we have not received your ballot as of yet.”
To me on HIS phone, four days before election day.
Is anybody here still going to continue to believe that the all-new, all-computerized controlled voting systems that can link a wife to her husband’s phone number (AI) is still going to be clean counting the ballots? I propose they need to get as many ballots as early as possible into the system–weeks early– so AI can manipulate the numbers and come up with a ballot count that “looks reasonable”. Guess who won all the important local seats?
Correction:
Question in last paragraph should read:
Is anybody here still going to continue to believe that the all-new, all-computerized controlled voting systems that can link a wife to her husband (AI) is still going to be clean counting the ballots?
It would be interesting to note that during these past three years, there was a redistribution process in which my county acquired many more Democratic voters and pretty much wiped out areas where the R party was dominant. It seems this was done all across the country.
The Biden Crime Family needs Pardons. Kamala can do it, especially since even she knows that she will never be the nominee.
I see Biden out. Harris will appoint a new VP who will be defacto President and be nominated by acclamation at the Convention.
Trump is the big unknown. He beats Biden but is apparently losing by huge margins against Generic Democrat.
Without Biden, No Labels will not run anyone important.
https://redstate.com/terichristoph/2023/11/10/confirmed-the-rnc-refused-to-spend-money-in-virginia-n2166147
@ M J R > “Robert Conquest’s Second Law of Politics”
Corollary:
“Any organization explicitly right-wing also eventually becomes left-wing, it just takes a little longer.”
@ Barry > “Dr. Robert Malone Reveals How The Government Tore His Reputation Apart,”
At the source post on Dr Malone’s substack, there is a great chart of the connections among the government agencies, the “non-partisan” institutions, and the media running the censorship mafia, as detailed in the House Interim Staff Report by the Committee on the Judiciary and the Select Subcommittee on the Weaponization of the Federal Government (everything is inflated these days, including their title; HUAC was shorter).
https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/deep-state-censorship-exposed
There is a fairly popular band in Slovakia called
No Name. I hadn’t seen this video, Prva (first):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKi-326G-bs
Kinda cool air-drummer, as well as a fun kissing couple.
I suspect Kennedy-Manchin as a ticket.
Unlike H. Ross Perot clearly taking votes from Bush 41 (so Clinton wins ’92), it’s not clear which party loses more votes to third parties – lots of Dems don’t like Biden, lots of Reps don’t like Trump. And neither is yet certain to be the candidate, tho I’d bet 80% it’s Trump for the Reps. I actually don’t think it will be Biden, as I also thought a couple years ago. Yet now, if he’s the candidate, it won’t surprise me much now.
The Dems have upped their game on cheating – most Reps refuse to even note that the cheating is happening.