Fascinating, but so much over my simple brain. I am glad that there are individuals like these that can think about what they think about. Sabine is the “dangerous” one in that she wants Science people to think about what their assumptions are, exam their processes. For me I will stay with
Beauty is in the Eye of the Beholder
Truth is in the Individual
A scathing takedown of the new Mitt Romney biopic and of Romney himself:
Neo, thanks for the video; nice to take a break from the real world crap happening.
Anyway, some thoughts:
1) Back in my undergrad days to fulfill my double major of physics and math I took an upper level math course on math foundations. There was only one axiom: that there are numbers. ie, things in the world can be counted. Once that assumption is made that one can actually count 1, 2, 3,…, then one can derive through a series of steps all the way up to calculus.
2)Math and physics: I can’t remember who said it, but a great mystery is that the universe actually seems to operate via mathematics. I’m with Sabine here. She’s really the heir to Feymann as a theorist who thinks a bit more like an experimentalist. Her criticism of the Standard Model, I think, is spot on. The particle theorists are so enamored by symmetry (group theory), that they are probably missing what is actually happening and that is why the field can’t really make any breakthroughs for over 60 years. BTW, one can make a quark model of the solar system…beautiful symmetry and groups, but doesn’t give any insight into the gravitational force actually at play.
Now back to real world:
I’ve been questioning many times why the American Jews do not seem to be able to change their view based on the events since Oct 7. Well, maybe that is changing. Great article from the WSJ, where there’s this money quote from Jonathan Greenblatt of the ADF:
“It has been an incredibly clarifying and terrifying moment at the same time for many progressive Jews,” Greenblatt said. “They’re calling me, tweeting, messaging, expressing shock and sadness that the people they marched with, the causes they marched for, have abandoned them in their hour of need.”
physicsguy: great mystery is that the universe actually seems to operate via mathematics
Removing the mystery: math doesn’t make something work, math describes how it works.
physicsguy-
American Jews will parallel blacks in their political transition.
The men will look at cause and effect, action and reaction, and begin to ever so slowly change their attitudes and later their voting.
The women will continue to vote their feelings, ignoring what their lying eyes and ears tell them.
We’ll never see a majority of blacks or Jews voting conservative, but the difference here is that Jewish money powers the Democratic Party; somewhere between 25-50% of the money donated to Democrats comes from Jewish sources, not all from Soros by any means. I think that while the votes are 50-50 male-female, the money is more under male control, and that may make a difference.
TL;DR: Intelligence may be a lethal mutation, and Jews are very intelligent.
“Saved!”, people. Not “Stole”! So we can guess she’ll have a source or two concerning intra-party dustups and deviance from the necessary solidarity.
I’m surprised Eugene Wigner’s classic essay “The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Mathematics in the Natural Sciences” didn’t come up in the video. That is most people’s introduction, it seems to me, of this topic. I’ll link to the Wikipedia page for it instead of the article itself.
Which might just beg the question, “Who, and what, has Jonathan Greenblatt abandoned all these years…?”
“clarifying and terrifying” indeed…sigh…
(IOW, just another “What-goes-around-comes-around” moment?)
– – – – – – – – – – – – – –
“Intelligence may be a lethal mutation…”
Indeed, it may well be. (Look at all those genius serial killers, well, among others.)
But I prefer the older, simpler adage: “Some people are just too smart for their own good….”
A Massachusetts friend reminded me today about JFK’s speech at Amherst College in October 1963, less than a month before his assassination.
Compare this with what we have today. Talk about a falling-off.
Oligonicella,
You miss the point. It is exactly the fact that mathematics DESCRIBES how the universe works that is a mystery. Of course, math can’t MAKE something work.
Why is it that an abstract, internally consistent logical framework based on numbers end up being the description that works so well for the physical reality?
As Mike Plaiss says, Wigner has the correct question.
The Romney article justifies my advice to my children about looking to the end of an article for the good stuff, although that was in the context of a newspaper editor hiding the facts he really didn’t want you to read at the very end.
In this case, the author engages in a tour de force by perfectly summing up Romney in the single last word! Big timesaver if you want to just skip right to it!
The US clumsily has been building an intelligence structure in Lebanon which defeats Israel’s attempts to defend itself. Oct 7 may have US fingerprints all over it.
I am a longtime fan of Sabine’s weekly YouTube features (if not her fashion sense). As a German, surely her first name is properly pronounced “Sah-bee-nah”, not “Sah-been”?
RE: UFOs and where we are now
Perhaps I am totally wrong but, as I see it, with regard to Aliens and UFOs, we are now in a very different place than we were –both physically and mentally—say, at the end of WWII.
Then, if we knew a little bit about the astronomical knowledge of the day, we could conceive of ourselves as inhabiting a small world circling an average sun out on one arm of a Milky Way Galaxy, which was the only Galaxy around; we were a relatively primitive, sleepy, cozy, and isolated world in the Galactic boonies.
Fast forward 80 or so years, and we now know that we live in a Galaxy crowded with at least over a hundred billion stars, that most of them have planets orbiting them, and that many of these planets are in the Goldilocks zone, possibly favorable to our kind of life, this in a Universe consisting of trillions of other Galaxies.
Our planet is now orbited by thousands of artificial satellites, our would is increasingly interconnected, and the computers we have invented are soon likely to become intelligent, and probably surpass us in problem solving, if not in many other areas as well.
Moreover, we are increasingly finding that life—in the form of extremophiles—can live in many more and far more hostile environments than we had imagined just a few decades ago, so that life may be far more abundant in our Galaxy and in the Universe than we had thought back at the end of WWII.
We here on Earth have also generated radio signals which now form a wavefront a hundred light years in diameter, and which is reaching out further and further into space by the second; we have inadvertantly announced our presence to any predatory Alien civilizations which might be listening for relatively primitive and naive civilizations like ours, advertising themselves as ripe for conquest–see the Dark Forest hypothesis.*
If you think about it, given our current level of knowledge and advancement, and given that our popular entertainment has been saturated with images of and stories about UFOs, Aliens, and Space Flight for many decades now, the possible presence of Aliens, and of UFOs flitting about our skies, in orbit around our planet, diving into and out of our oceans–and perhaps even interfering in our human concerns, both past and present–should not be outside of our ken, or come as a real surprise.
An article about why evidence that Israel did NOT hit the al-Ahli hospital doesn’t matter to Islamists. It’s a theological issue; in about AD 1100 a large dispute among Muslims about theology was settled in favor of Ash’arite theologian al Ghazali. In orthodox Muslim teaching, following al Ghazali’s teaching, there is no cause and effect, no natural law. There is only the will of Allah, for every happening in every second of time.
Evidence only matters in a world of cause and effect. Outside of it, evidence does not matter, which is why so much of the Middle East is afflicted with an evidence-free mentality. So, don’t think you’ll anytime soon hear an admission that Israel didn’t fire on the Gaza hospital, even as the evidence grows that the Palestinians did it themselves.
Anyone interested in learning why Muslims think this way should read Robert R. Reilly’s book “The Closing of the Muslim Mind.”
Neo: Thanks for posting this. A long time ago I achieved a humble B.A. in math. I just wanted to learn a subject that would enhance my chances of getting a job and also to avoid having to go to Vietnam for as long as I could. Perhaps if I had seen this video back in the day I would have taken my studies a lot more seriously. BTW, do Germans have a congenital affinity for math/physics. LOL
“Back in my undergrad days to fulfill my double major of physics and math I took an upper level math course on math foundations. There was only one axiom: that there are numbers. ie, things in the world can be counted. Once that assumption is made that one can actually count 1, 2, 3,…, then one can derive through a series of steps all the way up to calculus.”
Actually, I highly doubt that a mathematical system can cohere with only one axiom.
Try on instead, for example, the Peano axioms:
1. Zero is a number.
2. If a is a number, the successor of a is a number.
3. Zero is not the successor of a number.
4. Two numbers of which the successors are equal are themselves equal.
5. (induction axiom.) If a set S of numbers contains zero and also the successor of every number in S, then every number is in S.
These five building blocks do appear to be a sufficient foundation on which to found all of arithmetic and beyond — waaay beyond.
There are formulations based strictly in set theory (Zermelo – Frankel), used by extremely pure mathematicians, but Peano can suffice for virtually all purposes.
There’s a lot of crazy shit going on these days, and here is one example.
RE: “Sovereign Citizens”
I’ve written here before about ”sovereign citizens,” a group of people who want to just sail through life, not bound by any of the laws, procedures, and regulations that all of us “chumps” are subject to, you know, things like having to have a valid driver’s license, title, and insurance on your car, having to have license plates, having to obey a cop when he pulls you over, get out of your car if he asks you to, etc., etc.
This group of people have found individuals on the Internet who are telling them that—apparently based on a mashup of Black’s Law dictionary, the Uniform Commercial Code, Admiralty Law, and some old cases–that they are, in fact, not subject to or bound by any of the laws of the U.S. or of the individual states, which are illegitimate.
They are “sovereign citizens,” entitled not to drive but to “travel” by car wherever they want to go in the U.S.–or even overseas, unecumbered by any legal obligations.
Apparently these Internet gurus sell packages of purported legal documents that can be submitted to courts, and fake driver’s licenses and I.D. Cards which these “sovcits” can use in place of the normal legal documents we all have to posses and use.
When stopped for traffic violations these sovcits start to spout their pseudolegal gibberish and/or often pull out a file folder of such documents, and try to present them to the cops, or claim that they, as sovcits, are entitled to charge the cops thousands of dollars per minute if of they want to ask routine questions of these sovcits.
Apparently a lot of these “sovcits” are getting arrested, filling our detention centers, and clogging our courts with their fake pleadings, and supposed “Attorney General” titles or representatives.
Which is why “Biden” is, for the time being, bending over backwards to make it appear as though he has Israel’s back.
(And let’s NOT mention “Biden” alliance with the Mullahs.)
IOW, just another “Biden” coverup…
But this is something huge…that [checks crib notes] MUST NOT LEAK OUT…even though it’s all pretty obvious….
That last link, BTW… https://www.zerohedge.com/political/biggest-blunder-history-treasury-druck-dunks-yellen-her-husband-appears-agree
…has an interesting tie-in to mathematics, the topic of this “open” thread:
Interesting grafs:
‘…Professor Akerlof [husband of the Wise Owlita’s] observes:
” In the aftermath of the financial crisis of 2008, economists asked the question why no one had predicted it, at least exactly as it happened. Rajan (2011) said that such a prediction had not been made since it would have required detailed knowledge of theory and institutions in the disparate specialties of finance, real estate and macroeconomics…
“There were incentives to present the key pieces of the puzzle, but none to put them together….”
‘Interestingly, the Economics profession also shunned individuals who did put the key pieces together and predicted the crisis in papers published by the BIS.
‘ The lack of a mathematical model made it easy to dismiss these papers too.
‘Professor Akerlof goes on to explain how the preoccupation with math effectively blocks the Economics profession from understanding financial crises….
‘ Shorter, if you cannot express it with a mathematical equation, Economists aren’t interested….'[All emphasis in original; Barry M.]
I wonder if things like the “sovcit” movement are what you get when a society starts to unravel, and respect for the laws and norms of that society start to dwindle?
Feel free to skip forward to 10:20, where the fun begins…
Snow on Pine:
The Soveriegn Citizens appear to be delusional maroons. I don’t need a license to drive my car or have insurance or anything else inconvienient. Criminals of the petty kind it seems, sort of undocumented freeloaders; almost Irish Travellers and gypsie wanna bees.
The student arrested is apparently ethnic Chinese and grew up in a handsome suburb southeast of Rochester.
@ Kate > Mark Hemingway’s journey of disillusionment with Romney parallels my own.
Many here may recall that I defended Mitt in 2012, although critical of his sometimes inexplicable actions that allowed Obama Inc to defeat him (but I honestly do not believe anyone could have stopped The Lightbringer’s re-election).
However, his subsequent toadying up to the Democrats was an affront to everyone on the right. I didn’t know then many of the things Hemingway cites from the book, but they certainly validate all the skeptics’ qualms about his campaign.
Admitting that he didn’t do even the basics of studying the facts in Trump Impeachment 1.0 was jaw-dropping.
I repent of my former support (although it was based on what I knew at the time) and recant any sympathy for him.
It’s beyond depressing that he still would have been a better (although, apparently, only slightly less damaging) president than Obama.
AF, I struggle to remember something I supposedly learned yesterday, last week, or last month, so please forgive me for not recalling your support for Romney in 2012. 🙂 In any case, your total output of constructive commentary is just too great to remember details from all of it.
But I disagree here … “I honestly do not believe anyone could have stopped The Lightbringer’s re-election…” as I perceive if Gingrich had been the Republican nominee, he could have made mincemeat of Obama (despite some of the issues Gingrich still had at that time). [Or is that an example of hope over experience?]
R2L:
I don’t think Gingrich had a chance. Not “likable,” except by people already on the right.
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Fascinating, but so much over my simple brain. I am glad that there are individuals like these that can think about what they think about. Sabine is the “dangerous” one in that she wants Science people to think about what their assumptions are, exam their processes. For me I will stay with
Beauty is in the Eye of the Beholder
Truth is in the Individual
A scathing takedown of the new Mitt Romney biopic and of Romney himself:
https://thefederalist.com/2023/10/30/mitt-romney-we-hardly-knew-ye/
I enjoyed it all the way through.
Neo, thanks for the video; nice to take a break from the real world crap happening.
Anyway, some thoughts:
1) Back in my undergrad days to fulfill my double major of physics and math I took an upper level math course on math foundations. There was only one axiom: that there are numbers. ie, things in the world can be counted. Once that assumption is made that one can actually count 1, 2, 3,…, then one can derive through a series of steps all the way up to calculus.
2)Math and physics: I can’t remember who said it, but a great mystery is that the universe actually seems to operate via mathematics. I’m with Sabine here. She’s really the heir to Feymann as a theorist who thinks a bit more like an experimentalist. Her criticism of the Standard Model, I think, is spot on. The particle theorists are so enamored by symmetry (group theory), that they are probably missing what is actually happening and that is why the field can’t really make any breakthroughs for over 60 years. BTW, one can make a quark model of the solar system…beautiful symmetry and groups, but doesn’t give any insight into the gravitational force actually at play.
Now back to real world:
I’ve been questioning many times why the American Jews do not seem to be able to change their view based on the events since Oct 7. Well, maybe that is changing. Great article from the WSJ, where there’s this money quote from Jonathan Greenblatt of the ADF:
“It has been an incredibly clarifying and terrifying moment at the same time for many progressive Jews,” Greenblatt said. “They’re calling me, tweeting, messaging, expressing shock and sadness that the people they marched with, the causes they marched for, have abandoned them in their hour of need.”
https://www.wsj.com/politics/democrats-risk-long-lasting-rift-over-israel-hamas-war-ec74044f
physicsguy:
great mystery is that the universe actually seems to operate via mathematics
Removing the mystery: math doesn’t make something work, math describes how it works.
physicsguy-
American Jews will parallel blacks in their political transition.
The men will look at cause and effect, action and reaction, and begin to ever so slowly change their attitudes and later their voting.
The women will continue to vote their feelings, ignoring what their lying eyes and ears tell them.
We’ll never see a majority of blacks or Jews voting conservative, but the difference here is that Jewish money powers the Democratic Party; somewhere between 25-50% of the money donated to Democrats comes from Jewish sources, not all from Soros by any means. I think that while the votes are 50-50 male-female, the money is more under male control, and that may make a difference.
TL;DR: Intelligence may be a lethal mutation, and Jews are very intelligent.
Molly Ball, Molly Ball. . . who dat, again? Ah yes, the author of “The Secret History of the Shadow Campaign That Saved the 2020 Election”! ( https://news.yahoo.com/secret-history-shadow-campaign-saved-104001185.html )
“Saved!”, people. Not “Stole”! So we can guess she’ll have a source or two concerning intra-party dustups and deviance from the necessary solidarity.
I’m surprised Eugene Wigner’s classic essay “The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Mathematics in the Natural Sciences” didn’t come up in the video. That is most people’s introduction, it seems to me, of this topic. I’ll link to the Wikipedia page for it instead of the article itself.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Unreasonable_Effectiveness_of_Mathematics_in_the_Natural_Sciences
“…have abandoned them in their hour of need…”
Which might just beg the question, “Who, and what, has Jonathan Greenblatt abandoned all these years…?”
“clarifying and terrifying” indeed…sigh…
(IOW, just another “What-goes-around-comes-around” moment?)
– – – – – – – – – – – – – –
“Intelligence may be a lethal mutation…”
Indeed, it may well be. (Look at all those genius serial killers, well, among others.)
But I prefer the older, simpler adage: “Some people are just too smart for their own good….”
A Massachusetts friend reminded me today about JFK’s speech at Amherst College in October 1963, less than a month before his assassination.
Recording: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXId4YyP6SY
Video excerpt: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2W4vLKo8DU
The late Ken Howard (Amherst ’66) on JFK’s speech: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RAopWjYjxU
Compare this with what we have today. Talk about a falling-off.
Oligonicella,
You miss the point. It is exactly the fact that mathematics DESCRIBES how the universe works that is a mystery. Of course, math can’t MAKE something work.
Why is it that an abstract, internally consistent logical framework based on numbers end up being the description that works so well for the physical reality?
As Mike Plaiss says, Wigner has the correct question.
The Romney article justifies my advice to my children about looking to the end of an article for the good stuff, although that was in the context of a newspaper editor hiding the facts he really didn’t want you to read at the very end.
In this case, the author engages in a tour de force by perfectly summing up Romney in the single last word! Big timesaver if you want to just skip right to it!
Here is an interesting essay about how the US has been funding the Hezbollah forces in Lebanon as they cancelled Israeli intelligence about Hamas.
The US clumsily has been building an intelligence structure in Lebanon which defeats Israel’s attempts to defend itself. Oct 7 may have US fingerprints all over it.
I am a longtime fan of Sabine’s weekly YouTube features (if not her fashion sense). As a German, surely her first name is properly pronounced “Sah-bee-nah”, not “Sah-been”?
RE: UFOs and where we are now
Perhaps I am totally wrong but, as I see it, with regard to Aliens and UFOs, we are now in a very different place than we were –both physically and mentally—say, at the end of WWII.
Then, if we knew a little bit about the astronomical knowledge of the day, we could conceive of ourselves as inhabiting a small world circling an average sun out on one arm of a Milky Way Galaxy, which was the only Galaxy around; we were a relatively primitive, sleepy, cozy, and isolated world in the Galactic boonies.
Fast forward 80 or so years, and we now know that we live in a Galaxy crowded with at least over a hundred billion stars, that most of them have planets orbiting them, and that many of these planets are in the Goldilocks zone, possibly favorable to our kind of life, this in a Universe consisting of trillions of other Galaxies.
Our planet is now orbited by thousands of artificial satellites, our would is increasingly interconnected, and the computers we have invented are soon likely to become intelligent, and probably surpass us in problem solving, if not in many other areas as well.
Moreover, we are increasingly finding that life—in the form of extremophiles—can live in many more and far more hostile environments than we had imagined just a few decades ago, so that life may be far more abundant in our Galaxy and in the Universe than we had thought back at the end of WWII.
We here on Earth have also generated radio signals which now form a wavefront a hundred light years in diameter, and which is reaching out further and further into space by the second; we have inadvertantly announced our presence to any predatory Alien civilizations which might be listening for relatively primitive and naive civilizations like ours, advertising themselves as ripe for conquest–see the Dark Forest hypothesis.*
If you think about it, given our current level of knowledge and advancement, and given that our popular entertainment has been saturated with images of and stories about UFOs, Aliens, and Space Flight for many decades now, the possible presence of Aliens, and of UFOs flitting about our skies, in orbit around our planet, diving into and out of our oceans–and perhaps even interfering in our human concerns, both past and present–should not be outside of our ken, or come as a real surprise.
* See, for instance, here https://www.universetoday.com/149410/beyond-fermis-paradox-xvi-what-is-the-dark-forest-hypothesis/
An article about why evidence that Israel did NOT hit the al-Ahli hospital doesn’t matter to Islamists. It’s a theological issue; in about AD 1100 a large dispute among Muslims about theology was settled in favor of Ash’arite theologian al Ghazali. In orthodox Muslim teaching, following al Ghazali’s teaching, there is no cause and effect, no natural law. There is only the will of Allah, for every happening in every second of time.
Anyone interested in learning why Muslims think this way should read Robert R. Reilly’s book “The Closing of the Muslim Mind.”
Neo: Thanks for posting this. A long time ago I achieved a humble B.A. in math. I just wanted to learn a subject that would enhance my chances of getting a job and also to avoid having to go to Vietnam for as long as I could. Perhaps if I had seen this video back in the day I would have taken my studies a lot more seriously. BTW, do Germans have a congenital affinity for math/physics. LOL
Women Have a Right To Choose, until they don’t.
https://pjmedia.com/catherinesalgado/2023/10/30/uk-court-rules-girl-must-abort-baby-she-wants-to-keep-n4923471
physicsguy (10:49 am) said:
“Back in my undergrad days to fulfill my double major of physics and math I took an upper level math course on math foundations. There was only one axiom: that there are numbers. ie, things in the world can be counted. Once that assumption is made that one can actually count 1, 2, 3,…, then one can derive through a series of steps all the way up to calculus.”
Actually, I highly doubt that a mathematical system can cohere with only one axiom.
Try on instead, for example, the Peano axioms:
1. Zero is a number.
2. If a is a number, the successor of a is a number.
3. Zero is not the successor of a number.
4. Two numbers of which the successors are equal are themselves equal.
5. (induction axiom.) If a set S of numbers contains zero and also the successor of every number in S, then every number is in S.
Reference: https://mathworld.wolfram.com/PeanosAxioms.html
These five building blocks do appear to be a sufficient foundation on which to found all of arithmetic and beyond — waaay beyond.
There are formulations based strictly in set theory (Zermelo – Frankel), used by extremely pure mathematicians, but Peano can suffice for virtually all purposes.
There’s a lot of crazy shit going on these days, and here is one example.
RE: “Sovereign Citizens”
I’ve written here before about ”sovereign citizens,” a group of people who want to just sail through life, not bound by any of the laws, procedures, and regulations that all of us “chumps” are subject to, you know, things like having to have a valid driver’s license, title, and insurance on your car, having to have license plates, having to obey a cop when he pulls you over, get out of your car if he asks you to, etc., etc.
This group of people have found individuals on the Internet who are telling them that—apparently based on a mashup of Black’s Law dictionary, the Uniform Commercial Code, Admiralty Law, and some old cases–that they are, in fact, not subject to or bound by any of the laws of the U.S. or of the individual states, which are illegitimate.
They are “sovereign citizens,” entitled not to drive but to “travel” by car wherever they want to go in the U.S.–or even overseas, unecumbered by any legal obligations.
Apparently these Internet gurus sell packages of purported legal documents that can be submitted to courts, and fake driver’s licenses and I.D. Cards which these “sovcits” can use in place of the normal legal documents we all have to posses and use.
When stopped for traffic violations these sovcits start to spout their pseudolegal gibberish and/or often pull out a file folder of such documents, and try to present them to the cops, or claim that they, as sovcits, are entitled to charge the cops thousands of dollars per minute if of they want to ask routine questions of these sovcits.
Apparently a lot of these “sovcits” are getting arrested, filling our detention centers, and clogging our courts with their fake pleadings, and supposed “Attorney General” titles or representatives.
Here are some videos, enjoy the clown show —see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1LFz6wB204
See also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zllzj3rH7Uc&t=41s and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82JqvIozLk4 and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3AN8uy5WvQ and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcxZFmKrxR8
“Oct 7 may have US fingerprints all over it.”
Which is why “Biden” is, for the time being, bending over backwards to make it appear as though he has Israel’s back.
(And let’s NOT mention “Biden” alliance with the Mullahs.)
IOW, just another “Biden” coverup…
But this is something huge…that [checks crib notes] MUST NOT LEAK OUT…even though it’s all pretty obvious….
But “clumsily”?
Um, what are the chances that it’s maybe NOT so “clumsily”…
– – – – – – – – – – – – –
Speaking of coverups, the Wise Owlita is taking it on her chin feathers…
‘ “Biggest Blunder In The History Of The Treasury” – Druck Dunks On Yellen (& Her Husband Appears To Agree) ‘—
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/biggest-blunder-history-treasury-druck-dunks-yellen-her-husband-appears-agree
RE; Sovereign Citizens
Here’s another compilation at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHsBw5_fjr8
That last link, BTW…
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/biggest-blunder-history-treasury-druck-dunks-yellen-her-husband-appears-agree
…has an interesting tie-in to mathematics, the topic of this “open” thread:
Interesting grafs:
‘…Professor Akerlof [husband of the Wise Owlita’s] observes:
” In the aftermath of the financial crisis of 2008, economists asked the question why no one had predicted it, at least exactly as it happened. Rajan (2011) said that such a prediction had not been made since it would have required detailed knowledge of theory and institutions in the disparate specialties of finance, real estate and macroeconomics…
“There were incentives to present the key pieces of the puzzle, but none to put them together….”
‘Interestingly, the Economics profession also shunned individuals who did put the key pieces together and predicted the crisis in papers published by the BIS.
‘ The lack of a mathematical model made it easy to dismiss these papers too.
‘Professor Akerlof goes on to explain how the preoccupation with math effectively blocks the Economics profession from understanding financial crises….
‘ Shorter, if you cannot express it with a mathematical equation, Economists aren’t interested….'[All emphasis in original; Barry M.]
I wonder if things like the “sovcit” movement are what you get when a society starts to unravel, and respect for the laws and norms of that society start to dwindle?
ShireHome, I feel your pain.
But have you and Neo seen this on the Mandelbrot set?:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlD2rcm971U
Feel free to skip forward to 10:20, where the fun begins…
Snow on Pine:
The Soveriegn Citizens appear to be delusional maroons. I don’t need a license to drive my car or have insurance or anything else inconvienient. Criminals of the petty kind it seems, sort of undocumented freeloaders; almost Irish Travellers and gypsie wanna bees.
I’m with om on this one.
Seems rather de trop to have federal prosecutors after this yutz. Yancey took the view that these were false flag posts, but it appears they might have been the genuine article.
==
https://legalinsurrection.com/2023/10/cornell-junior-arrested-and-charged-in-threats-against-jewish-students/
The student arrested is apparently ethnic Chinese and grew up in a handsome suburb southeast of Rochester.
@ Kate > Mark Hemingway’s journey of disillusionment with Romney parallels my own.
Many here may recall that I defended Mitt in 2012, although critical of his sometimes inexplicable actions that allowed Obama Inc to defeat him (but I honestly do not believe anyone could have stopped The Lightbringer’s re-election).
However, his subsequent toadying up to the Democrats was an affront to everyone on the right. I didn’t know then many of the things Hemingway cites from the book, but they certainly validate all the skeptics’ qualms about his campaign.
Admitting that he didn’t do even the basics of studying the facts in Trump Impeachment 1.0 was jaw-dropping.
I repent of my former support (although it was based on what I knew at the time) and recant any sympathy for him.
It’s beyond depressing that he still would have been a better (although, apparently, only slightly less damaging) president than Obama.
AF, I struggle to remember something I supposedly learned yesterday, last week, or last month, so please forgive me for not recalling your support for Romney in 2012. 🙂 In any case, your total output of constructive commentary is just too great to remember details from all of it.
But I disagree here … “I honestly do not believe anyone could have stopped The Lightbringer’s re-election…” as I perceive if Gingrich had been the Republican nominee, he could have made mincemeat of Obama (despite some of the issues Gingrich still had at that time). [Or is that an example of hope over experience?]
R2L:
I don’t think Gingrich had a chance. Not “likable,” except by people already on the right.