Caroline Glick on the Hamas attack and how Israel needs to respond — 59 Comments
I watched this yesterday, multiple times. It is heartbreaking, but incredibly positive outlook. when basic existence depends on having a bomb shelter, you know this isn’t your usual talking head.
The overwhelming pain, grief and anguish that shows here is evident.
But unlike in the past, what comes across is the dedication, the calm realization that hell is coming, and it’s time to deal with it, once and for all.
Thank you Neo for posting this powerful video.
She’s a great intellect.
neo:
I saw it yesterday, in a link from sdferr (?) thanks for giving it additional exposure.
Carmon told The Jerusalem Post that the attack aimed “to prevent normalization between Israel and Saudi Arabia,” with respect to bilateral diplomatic relations.
…on behalf of Iran, of course. Something decisive needs to be done about Iran. As Glick states, deterence will not work.
WSJ reporting:
Iranian security officials helped plan Hamas’s Saturday surprise attack on Israel and gave the green light for the assault at a meeting in Beirut last Monday, according to senior members of Hamas and Hezbollah, another Iran-backed militant group.
She is right about all of it. I hope the Israelis follow through.
We will hear a lot about civilian casualties (real or alleged) in Gaza. As Glick points out, if Arab countries or others really cared about Gaza civilians, they would be organizing evacuations. They aren’t.
“if Arab countries or others really cared about Gaza civilians”
…they’d have forsworn this sort of shiite long ago and actually tried to create a functioning Palestinian state instead of a perpetual breeding ground of terror & beastiality.
The American left may well earn a special circle of hell all their own for facilitating this over the years.
For reasons I do not know, I cannot get audio on this Glick piece, and it is not muted.
The answer, however, must be to kill Hamas 100% dead, Hezbollah also, and nuking Iran’s nuclear facilities. So, O Israel, fly over northern Iraq to your target. Yes there will be casualties in war, and Islam is indeed at war with Western civilization. Islam is not a religion, it is an ideology which contains, “Kill the Christian kill the Jew”.
It is an unfortunate thing but I believe Hamas has triggered a totally justified response much like the scene in “Saving Private Ryan” once the US forces took the cliff.
In my mind, Israel could deliberately use napalm on palestinian childrens hospitals, (which, im sure, probably dont exist anyway), and it would be quite justified. That would come under the heading: “Israel secures a peaceful future”. The palestinians are plague carriers. Theyre born that way.
I have feeling that Hamas and Hezbollah leaders should not sleep peacefully and no more than one night in any one place. And maybe a few Iranian’s too,.
What is with Code Pink leader? I guess just plain Bat Shite Crazy.
We will hear a lot about civilian casualties (real or alleged) in Gaza.
Yep. If you can stomach it, head on over to Reuters where their lead headline all day has been the number killed in Israeli strikes in Gaza. They’ll even let you know how many children have died.
Islam is intolerant of other religions. Until that changes, which may never happen, you can never live safely with them as neighbors.
Although the new leader of the Saudis, MBS, has begun easing some Islamic restrictions on women, and seems bent on attracting tourism to his country, I wonder how long he can avoid the anger of the fundamentalists, and be forced to be “truer” to Islamic principles.
As Churchill said, “How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries, improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.”
The Muslims, unless they are sitting on reserves of oil, have created nothing but trouble for their neighbors. And some, such as Iran, have used their oil money to terrorize both Muslims and non-Muslims.
This is an issue that not just the Israelis, but the entire West, must eventually deal with. Given that the left in this country is anti-Western Civilization, it will not be easy. That pro-Palestinian demonstrations are being done in U.S. cities today, gives one an indicator of the difficulty of the path ahead.
The Biden administration is certainly not up to dealing with this issue. Maybe the Hamas attacks will wake up more sleepwalking Americans in the Silent Majority. If so, a change of leadership could be in the cards. Let us hope.
Haviv Rettig Gur was on the Call Me Back podcast today. He says that Hezbollah has warned they will attack from the north and launch 140,000 rockets if there is a land incursion into Gaza.
Hezzies will find many rationales to attack Israel, they won’t need just the one. They’re coming, and everyone ought to expect it.
As Hitler was inspired by the Turk’s Armenian genocide, so Hamas and Hezbollah appear to be by ISIS. Regrettably, it’s in the Islamic blueprint.
One encouraging note from the last few days. the scum who invaded, raped, murdered, and abducted-also took photos, and videos, in which they appear. Israel has face recognition software, and AI to identify them.
Tomorrow, or next year, retribution will come to them. All of them. The Israelis, unlike americans, don’t forget, especially this time. They will hunt down everyone of those bastards.
Given the fact that Americans have been killed and taken hostage, the US would be justified in giving Hamas/Islamic Jihad an ultimatum on their release.
Not likely as I suspect some/many in the Biden administration are secretly cheering for Hamas. Is moving a carrier group near to Israel a message to Hezbollah to stay out of the conflict, or a message to Israel to restrain themselves? I don’t trust this administration enough to guess which it is.
I read a report that Russia has called for a cease fire in Ukraine as a result of the Gazan invasion. I don’t really want to get into a debate whether it’s Russian propaganda/deflection, and it could be exactly that, but it also could be Russia realizes how quickly alliances could be dragged into a larger conflict.
This could get messy fast, depending on Iran’s/Hezbollah’s reaction to Israel’s retaliation. Israel is going to have to retake Gaza. Without Iran being held responsible nothing Israel does can have a lasting effect.
Will the cheering in parts of Europe lead to more terrorism? How much cheering in the suburbs of Detroit right now?
Roosia asking for a cease fire in Ukraine because of consequences from Hamas and Iranian bloodlust? Not that Roosia and Iran are strategic partners and tactical partners in Ukraine. Roosia exports through the Caspian Sea and Iran IIRC.
Imagine that. Not that a freeze in Ukraine would benefit Roosia, currently loosing ground in the south and east and having their Black Sea Fleet (surface vessels anyway) chased out of Crimea.
Or just another way for Roosia to threaten the west; get ready for another mass of refugees from “Palestine?”
From the river
To the sea
Palestinians
Are dead to me
I would think the west might want them to be settled in the Russian Federation this time, not Germany, Sweden, France, or Dearborne.
I thought Russia was calling for a ceasefire in Gaza not Ukraine.
Chases Eagles, you’re right. I just skimmed the story. It was a cease fire in Gaza.
I thought it odd, since despite om’s optimism, Ukraine would have benefited from any cease fire in Ukraine.
I remember 50 years ago after Israel turned the tables on the Egyptian 3rd Army, my father coming home from the puzzle palace and telling me “The Soviets said stop Israel or we will”.
I bet at least a few of you are wondering what the idiot aka Tom Friedman has to say about all this. Well, I went and found out so you don’t have to. He’s on CNN where he saved his most impassioned, heartfelt rhetoric for the misguided architects of judicial reform – reminding viewers, in what seemed to be an attempt at an ominous voice, that Netanyahu supported it.
Brain E:
Optimism? Roosia’s navy has feinted from Crimea, fact. Roosia is loosing ground in the south and the east, fact. Vlad won’t withdraw, fact. So you got your cease fires mixed up. Freudian slip?
Tells you all you need to know about Roosia, backing a cease fire that would prevent Israel from eliminating Hamas.
Are some are concerned about the Palestinian casualties that may occur from IDF reaction to Hamas and Hezbolla attacks? Crickets.
Soviet and Russian behavior doesn’t change.
Brain E’s assessment of who benefits from a cease fire in Ukraine just happens to be completely opposite of Cdrsalamander’s recent analysis of Ukraine and Russia’s war on Ukraine.
Will Israel survive the coming fight? We cannot see the outcome, which may prove to be far more doubtful than we can now imagine. I don’t believe we appreciate the full extent of the forces and capabilities arrayed against her. Israel’s survival is not assured.
David Cook’s study (2e now) “Understanding Jihad” will disabuse the naive and pathetic view that Islam is simply misunderstood — and that we are evil Islamophobes for disagreeing. Cook takes us on an expert’s tour, replete with a detailed review of the relevant texts in Islam. Cook’s thesis developed very patiently, almost reluctantly, is that jihad by definition is an aggressive, militant, and warlike ideology that is intrinsic to Islam.
TJ–The truth about Islam you refer to has been there, all along, for anybody who is willing to do a little study, and to take an objective look at Islam, it’s basic texts, and it’s history–especially the history of its interactions with us “unbelievers” over the last 1,400 or so years, during which time Islam’s hostility has never changed–it may have been masked from time to time by a strategy of a lot of false smiles and promises–but it’s never changed.
But, people (especially here in the West) do not want conflict, they want to live in a fantasy world and, so, they turn their eyes away from reading the hard truth, and far too many have convinced themselves that Islam is somehow the “Religion of Peace,” without asking themselves how Islam and Muslims might define that “Peace.”
But, as we’ve just seen, doing so, and acting on that willful ignorance and the false hopes which flow from that willful ignorance, can have deadly consequences.
@ Brian E > “Given the fact that Americans have been killed and taken hostage, the US would be justified in giving Hamas/Islamic Jihad an ultimatum on their release.”
The US is more likely to buy them back with another billion dollars — whether they actually get the hostages in return or not.
An Ultimatum from Brandon and Blinken, that will scare them! LOL
Maybe they can have White Rage Miley talk to Hamas too!
Mark Steyn’s posts on Day One &Day Two — amplifying the questions and warnings seen in other articles about the current phase of the war against Israel and the West.
Seems entirely possible that Israel may feel it has no choice but to call the bluff of its main adversary together with the latter’s two clients.
IOW go for broke.
(That these three gangster entities are supported by “Biden” complicates things more than a bit but does not essentially change the need to do something massive.)
If so (or even if not so) it’s time for the Jewish communities in the West (Europe, N. America, S. America), including those on college campuses, to find a way to protect themselves from what will likely be a significant onslaught.
(Should have been done a while ago…but hope has this way of fomenting denial…)
Re-posting a Lee Smith link from sdferr yesterday, because it matters.
Those of us who had misgivings about Obama in 2008 didn’t know the full extent of how right we were.
The current state of affairs began when Joe Biden’s former boss Barack Obama legalized a terror state’s nuclear weapons program.
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The Iran deal was more than a foreign policy blunder, or a bad deal. It was the device that Obama consciously used to transform America. It unleashed the Iranians and their terror assets abroad; at home it sidelined the Jews, pushing them out of the places they had carved out for themselves in American life and relegating them to second-class status in the Democratic Party—where, in order to belong, they would now have to pledge allegiance to the idea of gifting nuclear weapons to a country that pledged to exterminate them.
In turn, the reason that Obama had to push out the Jews is because they are one of the touchstones of American exceptionalism. Like Israel, like the Jews, America is a nation built since its founding on the idea of a covenant with God. Just as Christians have no evidence that Jesus is real or that God acts in history without the historical reality of the Jews, America grounds its unique self-conception in history through Israel. Like the Jews, we are one of a kind, with a unique, God-given destiny.
Obama’s transformation of America was to remake it in his own image, by junking the idea that America is exceptional and dissolving the country’s borders with the rest of the world. America is not unique. It is as sinful as any other nation, he was effectively arguing, and possibly worse. What better way to make that point than by throwing Israel overboard, and replacing it with Iran—a country that preaches God’s retribution against America.
Now that the Israel part of Obama’s dream has been achieved, we should all be prepared for the other shoe to drop. The violence he unleashed in Israel will be coming to these shores now.
Well spoken. One can only hope the Israeli leadership is even 1/4 as wise
I’m binging on news reports (got home this week and have plenty of time now!), many of which deplore and yet try to explain how the best intel apparatus in the world (along with the entire Western hemisphere) managed to completely miss the staging of the Hamas invasion, although it was detailed in a Hamas video over a month ago.
Noise, naivete, complacency, misplaced hope, distraction by politics have all been suggested.
A few years ago, I would have accepted any of those, and especially all together as a “perfect storm” of mistakes.
Now, after all we have learned about the corruption, lying, and outright treason routinely engaged in by our own country’s intel and other government agencies and leadership? (Receipts supplied on request, but most of you know what they are.)
Someone (a lot of someones) knew, and deliberately withheld the information, most probably to bring down the Netanyahu government “because it happened on Bibi’s watch.”
I suspect he has been lied to, and undermined, to the same degree or more that we KNOW happened to President Trump.
They knew, approved, and facilitated.
I also suspect that the instigators were expecting an incursion along the lines of the usual Hamas operations, not the disaster they actually got (parallel to Biden okaying Putin’s biting off a bit of Ukraine and getting a full-scale war instead — that’s as far as I will take that analogy).
You may think you can light just a little fire in a tinder-dry forest and control the blaze, but you will be wrong, every time.
One of many clueless posts — have our pundits still not learned that nothing is too low or too deranged for the international Left & its enablers to stomach?
Will Israel survive the coming fight? We cannot see the outcome, which may prove to be far more doubtful than we can now imagine. I don’t believe we appreciate the full extent of the forces and capabilities arrayed against her. Israel’s survival is not assured.
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This is a critical point. Israel no longer has an overwhelming military advantage. They can’t defeat Hezbollah in Lebanon. Can Hezbollah defeat Israel in Israel? Given the West’s demands for Israeli rules of engagement, I’m not so sure that Israel can successfully defend itself.
Israel has been feminized by the politics of the West, and its enemies have been lavishly funded by American Marxists. Much of Israel’s security apparatus is arrayed against Netanyahu. Has that changed in the last few days? I doubt it. As in the US, the question is how much treason can a nation survive?
I suspect that this will be a long, messy war with an uncertain outcome. In Israel, it could well turn into a civil war, with the US supporting the faction of treason.
Follow up to Aesopfan at 119, re Obama. His silence is deafening and being noticed:
It’s Iran, people, start to finish. Beyond Hamas, beyond Hezbollah, IRGC is all in. The name “Al Aqsa Flood” tells the tale. The totality has not yet appeared, is yet to come.
well we have often funded the Lebanese army, which is a rump Hezbollah force, even under nominally Maronite leadership,
Cornfloue
Cornflour:
Odd that Hamas and Hezbollah now have an Airforce? When did that happen? And a Navy? When did that also happen?
Israel still faces asymmetrical warfare not a peer or near-peer IMO. Iran’s proxies.
When find a rabid dog, foaming at the mouth, charging at you, what do you have to do?
You put it down.
om on October 9, 2023 at 10:58 am said:
Cornfloue
Cornflour:
Odd that Hamas and Hezbollah now have an Airforce? When did that happen? And a Navy? When did that also happen?
Israel still faces asymmetrical warfare not a peer or near-peer IMO. Iran’s proxies.
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om:
As many have said, Israel’s war is nominally against Hamas, but that’s only the first of Iran’s proxies to attack. Soon there will be others. About a month ago, The Wilson Center published a long article describing Iran’s many proxies throughout the Middle East. If you want to take a look, here’s a link https://www.wilsoncenter.org/article/irans-islamist-proxies.
Eventually, Iran itself may enter the war. This will all take place while Israel is severely divided against itself, while an anti-Semitic Europe supports the Palestinians and will likely threatens sanctions against Israel, and while the Obama faction in our government undermines Israel and supports its enemies.
No, Hamas doesn’t have a navy, but Israel’s overwhelming military superiority is gone, and the next few years are unpredictable for Israel.
I’ll tell you what war is about, you’ve got to kill people, and when you’ve killed enough they stop fighting.
-Curtis LeMay
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Japan had to be nuked – twice – and they finally stopped fighting. Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran delenda est.
I just watched footage from the Hamas invasion on the IDF YouTube channel. I’m not going to include a link. It’s not for the faint of heart or people with high blood pressure. The terrorists didn’t just slaughter people. They slaughtered pets as well. There’s video of a terrorist shooting a dog in one of the Israeli towns, perhaps a kibbutz. It took three shots, with the poor animal collapsing after the first two. Hell isn’t hot enough.
I agree with Lee Smith and AesopFan on the intelligence failure question. The “Biden” administration is in fact the third Obama administration. This has the stench of Obama–and that of his Gesinnungsgenossen and -genossinen in the U.S. and Israeli political establishments–all over it. The goal is to take down Netanyahu, their common hate-object. For Obama–and the “Squad” and their supporters in this country–the murder, torture, rape, and ritual degradation of Israeli citizens is an extra Leckerbissen. (Use of German intentional.)
If Iran enters the war how exactly does the Wilson Center, war game that? Rolling through Iraq and Jordan, or through Syria and Lebanon? Geography matters.
Don’t know anything yet about the Wilson Center, but to me anything tied to Woodrow Wilson is suspect at a first glance. YWMV.
The thinky tankies thought Vlad would not invade or that he would already have had his toadies fully in control of Ukraine.
Fog of war and time will tell.
Will Gaza have a two story building left in two weeks? I hope not. But that’s up to the IDF.
Still where is the Hamas Air Force and Navy? And for that matter the Iranian Army, Navy, and Air Force? Proxies and asymmetrical warfare.
I agree with KT McFarland that in a month, if not sooner, President Traitor will be calling for a cease fire and Israel will be the bad guy.
Caroline Glick with another video assessment, guest David Wurmser.
One might expect the Iranian power grid to start having software issues and other unexpected outages soon. And some unusual kabooms.
Hard to imagine Hamas does not have another attack planned.
All Gazans fighting and then captured by the soon to invade IDF should face summary execution if they are not wearing uniforms and don’t have a clear chain of command. In these circumstances, under the Geneva conventions of war, they are illegal combatants and have no rights as prisoners-of-war. Other than review of the statements of the soldiers that captured them these type of prisoners have no rights. IMO they should immediately be executed by firing squad.
Regarding the IDF’s attack policy in Gaza, the source clarifies that the “roof knocking” policy, whereby the IDF has previously used text messages, phone calls, or an initial strike on the roof to warn residents of a building that it is about to be struck, is not the system currently applying. In certain circumstances, it will be used, the source says, but today Israel is already evacuating masses of the [Gaza] populace from central terrorist areas and attacking there.
I watched this yesterday, multiple times. It is heartbreaking, but incredibly positive outlook. when basic existence depends on having a bomb shelter, you know this isn’t your usual talking head.
The overwhelming pain, grief and anguish that shows here is evident.
But unlike in the past, what comes across is the dedication, the calm realization that hell is coming, and it’s time to deal with it, once and for all.
Thank you Neo for posting this powerful video.
She’s a great intellect.
neo:
I saw it yesterday, in a link from sdferr (?) thanks for giving it additional exposure.
Israel’s counterterrorism expert who predicted the Hamas invasion
Carmon told The Jerusalem Post that the attack aimed “to prevent normalization between Israel and Saudi Arabia,” with respect to bilateral diplomatic relations.
…on behalf of Iran, of course. Something decisive needs to be done about Iran. As Glick states, deterence will not work.
WSJ reporting:
Iranian security officials helped plan Hamas’s Saturday surprise attack on Israel and gave the green light for the assault at a meeting in Beirut last Monday, according to senior members of Hamas and Hezbollah, another Iran-backed militant group.
She is right about all of it. I hope the Israelis follow through.
We will hear a lot about civilian casualties (real or alleged) in Gaza. As Glick points out, if Arab countries or others really cared about Gaza civilians, they would be organizing evacuations. They aren’t.
“if Arab countries or others really cared about Gaza civilians”
…they’d have forsworn this sort of shiite long ago and actually tried to create a functioning Palestinian state instead of a perpetual breeding ground of terror & beastiality.
The American left may well earn a special circle of hell all their own for facilitating this over the years.
For reasons I do not know, I cannot get audio on this Glick piece, and it is not muted.
The answer, however, must be to kill Hamas 100% dead, Hezbollah also, and nuking Iran’s nuclear facilities. So, O Israel, fly over northern Iraq to your target. Yes there will be casualties in war, and Islam is indeed at war with Western civilization. Islam is not a religion, it is an ideology which contains, “Kill the Christian kill the Jew”.
It is an unfortunate thing but I believe Hamas has triggered a totally justified response much like the scene in “Saving Private Ryan” once the US forces took the cliff.
In my mind, Israel could deliberately use napalm on palestinian childrens hospitals, (which, im sure, probably dont exist anyway), and it would be quite justified. That would come under the heading: “Israel secures a peaceful future”. The palestinians are plague carriers. Theyre born that way.
I have feeling that Hamas and Hezbollah leaders should not sleep peacefully and no more than one night in any one place. And maybe a few Iranian’s too,.
What is with Code Pink leader? I guess just plain Bat Shite Crazy.
We will hear a lot about civilian casualties (real or alleged) in Gaza.
Yep. If you can stomach it, head on over to Reuters where their lead headline all day has been the number killed in Israeli strikes in Gaza. They’ll even let you know how many children have died.
Islam is intolerant of other religions. Until that changes, which may never happen, you can never live safely with them as neighbors.
Although the new leader of the Saudis, MBS, has begun easing some Islamic restrictions on women, and seems bent on attracting tourism to his country, I wonder how long he can avoid the anger of the fundamentalists, and be forced to be “truer” to Islamic principles.
As Churchill said, “How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries, improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.”
The Muslims, unless they are sitting on reserves of oil, have created nothing but trouble for their neighbors. And some, such as Iran, have used their oil money to terrorize both Muslims and non-Muslims.
The identifier of worldwide Muslim aggression is the blog “The Relógio of Peace.”
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/attacks.aspx?Yr=Last30
Check it out for some idea of the size of the problem.
This is an issue that not just the Israelis, but the entire West, must eventually deal with. Given that the left in this country is anti-Western Civilization, it will not be easy. That pro-Palestinian demonstrations are being done in U.S. cities today, gives one an indicator of the difficulty of the path ahead.
The Biden administration is certainly not up to dealing with this issue. Maybe the Hamas attacks will wake up more sleepwalking Americans in the Silent Majority. If so, a change of leadership could be in the cards. Let us hope.
Haviv Rettig Gur was on the Call Me Back podcast today. He says that Hezbollah has warned they will attack from the north and launch 140,000 rockets if there is a land incursion into Gaza.
Hezzies will find many rationales to attack Israel, they won’t need just the one. They’re coming, and everyone ought to expect it.
‘Hamas has become the ISIS of Gaza’ (live updates link)
As Hitler was inspired by the Turk’s Armenian genocide, so Hamas and Hezbollah appear to be by ISIS. Regrettably, it’s in the Islamic blueprint.
One encouraging note from the last few days. the scum who invaded, raped, murdered, and abducted-also took photos, and videos, in which they appear. Israel has face recognition software, and AI to identify them.
Tomorrow, or next year, retribution will come to them. All of them. The Israelis, unlike americans, don’t forget, especially this time. They will hunt down everyone of those bastards.
Given the fact that Americans have been killed and taken hostage, the US would be justified in giving Hamas/Islamic Jihad an ultimatum on their release.
Not likely as I suspect some/many in the Biden administration are secretly cheering for Hamas. Is moving a carrier group near to Israel a message to Hezbollah to stay out of the conflict, or a message to Israel to restrain themselves? I don’t trust this administration enough to guess which it is.
I read a report that Russia has called for a cease fire in Ukraine as a result of the Gazan invasion. I don’t really want to get into a debate whether it’s Russian propaganda/deflection, and it could be exactly that, but it also could be Russia realizes how quickly alliances could be dragged into a larger conflict.
This could get messy fast, depending on Iran’s/Hezbollah’s reaction to Israel’s retaliation. Israel is going to have to retake Gaza. Without Iran being held responsible nothing Israel does can have a lasting effect.
Will the cheering in parts of Europe lead to more terrorism? How much cheering in the suburbs of Detroit right now?
Roosia asking for a cease fire in Ukraine because of consequences from Hamas and Iranian bloodlust? Not that Roosia and Iran are strategic partners and tactical partners in Ukraine. Roosia exports through the Caspian Sea and Iran IIRC.
Imagine that. Not that a freeze in Ukraine would benefit Roosia, currently loosing ground in the south and east and having their Black Sea Fleet (surface vessels anyway) chased out of Crimea.
Or just another way for Roosia to threaten the west; get ready for another mass of refugees from “Palestine?”
From the river
To the sea
Palestinians
Are dead to me
I would think the west might want them to be settled in the Russian Federation this time, not Germany, Sweden, France, or Dearborne.
I thought Russia was calling for a ceasefire in Gaza not Ukraine.
Chases Eagles, you’re right. I just skimmed the story. It was a cease fire in Gaza.
I thought it odd, since despite om’s optimism, Ukraine would have benefited from any cease fire in Ukraine.
Oh yes, Biden’s $6 billion gift to the mullahs absolutely went to Hamas by virtue of being in the pipeline of their banking system. Common sense tells you that.
I remember 50 years ago after Israel turned the tables on the Egyptian 3rd Army, my father coming home from the puzzle palace and telling me “The Soviets said stop Israel or we will”.
I bet at least a few of you are wondering what the idiot aka Tom Friedman has to say about all this. Well, I went and found out so you don’t have to. He’s on CNN where he saved his most impassioned, heartfelt rhetoric for the misguided architects of judicial reform – reminding viewers, in what seemed to be an attempt at an ominous voice, that Netanyahu supported it.
Brain E:
Optimism? Roosia’s navy has feinted from Crimea, fact. Roosia is loosing ground in the south and the east, fact. Vlad won’t withdraw, fact. So you got your cease fires mixed up. Freudian slip?
Tells you all you need to know about Roosia, backing a cease fire that would prevent Israel from eliminating Hamas.
Are some are concerned about the Palestinian casualties that may occur from IDF reaction to Hamas and Hezbolla attacks? Crickets.
Soviet and Russian behavior doesn’t change.
Brain E’s assessment of who benefits from a cease fire in Ukraine just happens to be completely opposite of Cdrsalamander’s recent analysis of Ukraine and Russia’s war on Ukraine.
The Endgame in Ukraine?
it’s complicated
https://cdrsalamander.substack.com/p/the-endgame-in-ukraine
Other than that, it was perfectly stated.
Will Israel survive the coming fight? We cannot see the outcome, which may prove to be far more doubtful than we can now imagine. I don’t believe we appreciate the full extent of the forces and capabilities arrayed against her. Israel’s survival is not assured.
David Cook’s study (2e now) “Understanding Jihad” will disabuse the naive and pathetic view that Islam is simply misunderstood — and that we are evil Islamophobes for disagreeing. Cook takes us on an expert’s tour, replete with a detailed review of the relevant texts in Islam. Cook’s thesis developed very patiently, almost reluctantly, is that jihad by definition is an aggressive, militant, and warlike ideology that is intrinsic to Islam.
https://online.ucpress.edu/nr/article-abstract/20/3/149/70463/Review-Understanding-Jihad-
TJ–The truth about Islam you refer to has been there, all along, for anybody who is willing to do a little study, and to take an objective look at Islam, it’s basic texts, and it’s history–especially the history of its interactions with us “unbelievers” over the last 1,400 or so years, during which time Islam’s hostility has never changed–it may have been masked from time to time by a strategy of a lot of false smiles and promises–but it’s never changed.
But, people (especially here in the West) do not want conflict, they want to live in a fantasy world and, so, they turn their eyes away from reading the hard truth, and far too many have convinced themselves that Islam is somehow the “Religion of Peace,” without asking themselves how Islam and Muslims might define that “Peace.”
But, as we’ve just seen, doing so, and acting on that willful ignorance and the false hopes which flow from that willful ignorance, can have deadly consequences.
@ Brian E > “Given the fact that Americans have been killed and taken hostage, the US would be justified in giving Hamas/Islamic Jihad an ultimatum on their release.”
The US is more likely to buy them back with another billion dollars — whether they actually get the hostages in return or not.
An Ultimatum from Brandon and Blinken, that will scare them! LOL
Maybe they can have White Rage Miley talk to Hamas too!
Mark Steyn’s posts on Day One &Day Two — amplifying the questions and warnings seen in other articles about the current phase of the war against Israel and the West.
https://www.steynonline.com/13816/we-are-at-war
https://www.steynonline.com/13818/proportionate-about-gang-rape
Seems entirely possible that Israel may feel it has no choice but to call the bluff of its main adversary together with the latter’s two clients.
IOW go for broke.
(That these three gangster entities are supported by “Biden” complicates things more than a bit but does not essentially change the need to do something massive.)
If so (or even if not so) it’s time for the Jewish communities in the West (Europe, N. America, S. America), including those on college campuses, to find a way to protect themselves from what will likely be a significant onslaught.
(Should have been done a while ago…but hope has this way of fomenting denial…)
Re-posting a Lee Smith link from sdferr yesterday, because it matters.
Those of us who had misgivings about Obama in 2008 didn’t know the full extent of how right we were.
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/why-iran-deal-matters
Well spoken. One can only hope the Israeli leadership is even 1/4 as wise
I’m binging on news reports (got home this week and have plenty of time now!), many of which deplore and yet try to explain how the best intel apparatus in the world (along with the entire Western hemisphere) managed to completely miss the staging of the Hamas invasion, although it was detailed in a Hamas video over a month ago.
Noise, naivete, complacency, misplaced hope, distraction by politics have all been suggested.
A few years ago, I would have accepted any of those, and especially all together as a “perfect storm” of mistakes.
Now, after all we have learned about the corruption, lying, and outright treason routinely engaged in by our own country’s intel and other government agencies and leadership? (Receipts supplied on request, but most of you know what they are.)
Someone (a lot of someones) knew, and deliberately withheld the information, most probably to bring down the Netanyahu government “because it happened on Bibi’s watch.”
I suspect he has been lied to, and undermined, to the same degree or more that we KNOW happened to President Trump.
They knew, approved, and facilitated.
I also suspect that the instigators were expecting an incursion along the lines of the usual Hamas operations, not the disaster they actually got (parallel to Biden okaying Putin’s biting off a bit of Ukraine and getting a full-scale war instead — that’s as far as I will take that analogy).
You may think you can light just a little fire in a tinder-dry forest and control the blaze, but you will be wrong, every time.
One of many clueless posts — have our pundits still not learned that nothing is too low or too deranged for the international Left & its enablers to stomach?
https://redstate.com/bobhoge/2023/10/08/historic-failure-for-israeli-and-us-intelligence-how-did-they-not-see-this-coming-n2164814
First hand report from Israel by Melanie Phillips Saturday.
https://melaniephillips.substack.com/p/the-barbaric-war-against-israel
Past post (2021) that explains why so many people are ignorant of the actual situation between Hamas & Israel, and who makes sure they stay that way.
https://melaniephillips.substack.com/p/a-murderous-co-operation
All of Gaza might be levelled and the entire population driven into the sea.
See? Even the Secretary of State doesn’t know what “fungible” means:
The $6 billion derived from Iranian oil revenue has been locked up in South Korean accounts due to international sanctions.
Blinken told CNN earlier on Sunday that “not a single dollar has been spent from that account,”
the rot is deep though,
https://twitter.com/rogerkimball/status/1711203857349456270
sdferr on October 8, 2023 at 9:53 pm said:
Will Israel survive the coming fight? We cannot see the outcome, which may prove to be far more doubtful than we can now imagine. I don’t believe we appreciate the full extent of the forces and capabilities arrayed against her. Israel’s survival is not assured.
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This is a critical point. Israel no longer has an overwhelming military advantage. They can’t defeat Hezbollah in Lebanon. Can Hezbollah defeat Israel in Israel? Given the West’s demands for Israeli rules of engagement, I’m not so sure that Israel can successfully defend itself.
Israel has been feminized by the politics of the West, and its enemies have been lavishly funded by American Marxists. Much of Israel’s security apparatus is arrayed against Netanyahu. Has that changed in the last few days? I doubt it. As in the US, the question is how much treason can a nation survive?
I suspect that this will be a long, messy war with an uncertain outcome. In Israel, it could well turn into a civil war, with the US supporting the faction of treason.
Follow up to Aesopfan at 119, re Obama. His silence is deafening and being noticed:
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2023/10/09/obama-silent-on-hamas-terror-attacks-on-israel-n2629556#google_vignette
JNS TV — Analysis by Yoni Ben Menahem
https://youtu.be/reqMhegj_c8?si=zp3ndSIFKfCVjPcJ
It’s Iran, people, start to finish. Beyond Hamas, beyond Hezbollah, IRGC is all in. The name “Al Aqsa Flood” tells the tale. The totality has not yet appeared, is yet to come.
well we have often funded the Lebanese army, which is a rump Hezbollah force, even under nominally Maronite leadership,
Cornfloue
Cornflour:
Odd that Hamas and Hezbollah now have an Airforce? When did that happen? And a Navy? When did that also happen?
Israel still faces asymmetrical warfare not a peer or near-peer IMO. Iran’s proxies.
When find a rabid dog, foaming at the mouth, charging at you, what do you have to do?
You put it down.
om on October 9, 2023 at 10:58 am said:
Cornfloue
Cornflour:
Odd that Hamas and Hezbollah now have an Airforce? When did that happen? And a Navy? When did that also happen?
Israel still faces asymmetrical warfare not a peer or near-peer IMO. Iran’s proxies.
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om:
As many have said, Israel’s war is nominally against Hamas, but that’s only the first of Iran’s proxies to attack. Soon there will be others. About a month ago, The Wilson Center published a long article describing Iran’s many proxies throughout the Middle East. If you want to take a look, here’s a link https://www.wilsoncenter.org/article/irans-islamist-proxies.
Eventually, Iran itself may enter the war. This will all take place while Israel is severely divided against itself, while an anti-Semitic Europe supports the Palestinians and will likely threatens sanctions against Israel, and while the Obama faction in our government undermines Israel and supports its enemies.
No, Hamas doesn’t have a navy, but Israel’s overwhelming military superiority is gone, and the next few years are unpredictable for Israel.
I’ll tell you what war is about, you’ve got to kill people, and when you’ve killed enough they stop fighting.
-Curtis LeMay
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Japan had to be nuked – twice – and they finally stopped fighting. Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran delenda est.
I just watched footage from the Hamas invasion on the IDF YouTube channel. I’m not going to include a link. It’s not for the faint of heart or people with high blood pressure. The terrorists didn’t just slaughter people. They slaughtered pets as well. There’s video of a terrorist shooting a dog in one of the Israeli towns, perhaps a kibbutz. It took three shots, with the poor animal collapsing after the first two. Hell isn’t hot enough.
I agree with Lee Smith and AesopFan on the intelligence failure question. The “Biden” administration is in fact the third Obama administration. This has the stench of Obama–and that of his Gesinnungsgenossen and -genossinen in the U.S. and Israeli political establishments–all over it. The goal is to take down Netanyahu, their common hate-object. For Obama–and the “Squad” and their supporters in this country–the murder, torture, rape, and ritual degradation of Israeli citizens is an extra Leckerbissen. (Use of German intentional.)
If Iran enters the war how exactly does the Wilson Center, war game that? Rolling through Iraq and Jordan, or through Syria and Lebanon? Geography matters.
Don’t know anything yet about the Wilson Center, but to me anything tied to Woodrow Wilson is suspect at a first glance. YWMV.
The thinky tankies thought Vlad would not invade or that he would already have had his toadies fully in control of Ukraine.
Fog of war and time will tell.
Will Gaza have a two story building left in two weeks? I hope not. But that’s up to the IDF.
Still where is the Hamas Air Force and Navy? And for that matter the Iranian Army, Navy, and Air Force? Proxies and asymmetrical warfare.
I agree with KT McFarland that in a month, if not sooner, President Traitor will be calling for a cease fire and Israel will be the bad guy.
https://youtu.be/5Z3l1s4mUc0?si=XxG5LEofpo2IHJRW
Caroline Glick with another video assessment, guest David Wurmser.
One might expect the Iranian power grid to start having software issues and other unexpected outages soon. And some unusual kabooms.
Hard to imagine Hamas does not have another attack planned.
All Gazans fighting and then captured by the soon to invade IDF should face summary execution if they are not wearing uniforms and don’t have a clear chain of command. In these circumstances, under the Geneva conventions of war, they are illegal combatants and have no rights as prisoners-of-war. Other than review of the statements of the soldiers that captured them these type of prisoners have no rights. IMO they should immediately be executed by firing squad.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/senior-israeli-source-gaza-will-not-be-hamastan-roof-knocking-policy-no-longer-norm/
Good news, kind of.
What are other names for a Gaza highrise?
Was.
Pancake.
Rubble.
About time.