I have walked on a Roman Road in the wilds of Yorkshire Dales. It was still in good repair.
There is something particularly disgusting about the NeverTrumpers who pretend to be unbiased observers in the press box opining about the electoral prospects of Trump. In reality, they’ve been beating on him relentlessly with baseball bats and now are trying to tell us that the injuries from those beatings have made him too damaged to play the game well.
Andy McCarthy had a twitter thread trying to claim that he wants a Republican to win in 2024, that it was impossible for Trump to win, that he could never vote for Trump, and that Trump should have been convicted in his impeachment trial.
My opinions — Andy has shown conclusively that he isn’t really a conservative or a Republican, his hate has made him stupid, he is incapable of rational thought when it comes to Trump, and he’s either dishonest or blind about the evil of Dem lawfare and dirty tricks.
Is there something in our food that is eating people’s brains? When someone claims that a fire started by arsonists is due to climate change, people who aren’t insane or stupid used to be expected to know the claim is wrong. Or if covid required the closing of beaches and playgrounds, mass protests and rioting were also a problem. Or if Biden bragged about his corrupt actions, that Trump asking about it isn’t an impeachable offense. We could point out such easy ones 7/24 and still not be done by Christmas.
As Vince Lombardi once asked, “What the hell is going on out there?!”
Is everyone insane? I can only conclude that it has to be all about the hate. Hate melts brains.
Michael Chrichton once pointed out in a speech that none of the talking heads on tv are ever held accountable for being wrong.
Why aren’t those (especially who claim to be rooting for Republicans) held responsible for telling us Biden was a man of character? When do people lose credibility?
I guess accountability is dead in America. Liars, cheaters and thieves thrive. All who seek justice are scorned, abused and jailed.
stan said “I guess accountability is dead in America. Liars, cheaters and thieves thrive.”
Actually, McCarthy has been bad on 2 issues. The first is that he initially trusted people like Comey, with whom he had worked. He had a tough time shedding his respect for the DOJ and the FBI, but shed it he did. The second is that January 6th freaked him out. He had never liked Trump before that, but he was pretty fair towards him. After January 6th, that changed. So he’s a somewhat special case among NeverTrumpers, I think. For him Januay 6th was a turning point.
I believe many of the freaked out by January 6th have never seen or read anything that contradicts the violent videos.
Most here have seen vids of people calmly visiting the capital and walking the halls in an orderly fashion. And, lately, vids of the police firing into the crowds.
And, of course, the Ray Epps vids of him encouraging misbehavior and somehow not being charged with a crime.
That Roman glass is proof of extraterrestrials.
Change my mind.
hes been wrong, back to when he vouched for pat fitzgerald, back during the plame case,
Fullmoon ~ The algorithm says they want their Roman glass back 😉
McCarthy. A man of the 1990s, with something to offer in the following decade because of 9/11. Your Time Is Up — the milk is spoiled.
Well, at least the guy who led a failed mutiny against Russian forces in June didn’t “fall out of a window”– “Wagner boss Yevgeny Prigozhin was on the passenger list of a jet which crashed killing all on board, Russia’s civil aviation authority has said. Earlier, Wagner-linked Telegram channel Grey Zone reported the Embraer aircraft was shot down by air defences in the Tver region, north of Moscow. The jet, which was flying from the capital to St Petersburg, was carrying seven passengers and three crew. . . . Grey Zone said local residents heard two bangs before the crash and saw two vapour trails.”
Reports are now that social media accounts associated with the Wagner Group say Prigozhin and other top Wagner leaders died on the plane. Observers think it was shot down.
I won’t say “RIP” for monsters, no matter what happened.
Way back in the early Putin years a plane flying from Poland into Russia with a large percentage of the uppermost levels of the Polish government unexpectedly crashed in Russia, no survivors. IIRC the visit was related to an observance of the Katyn
Massacre. Cooperation from Russia about the crash was scant, again from memory.
They couldn’t all jump out of the same window …..
“Crazy times demand crazy actions.” That’s Dan Bongino’s reaction to Trump surrendering to a $200K bond tomorrow.
POST NO BOND! Refuse President Trump! TIME TO EXPOSE THIS FASCIST FRAUD TO THE WORLD, by making Trump the US’ first political prisoner! LET THE PEOPLE HOLD WATCH OUTSIDE Fulton, Co. jail! LET THE WHOLE WORLD WATCH IT!
Bongino is an ex-Secret Service agent. He quotes Federal law. The Service under the Supremacy Clause can close down an entire wing of their jail so that Trump doesn’t see anyone else. LET IT BE!
I’m just catching up with Dan’s show now, as I wright. I SAY YES!
Bongino says repeatedly that these fascists will double and triple down on their oppression. AGREED.
Therefore, crazy tactics to deal with Evil are needed. Trump needs to REFUSE posting bail. Email The Real President. REFUSE Mr President!
India joyfully lands craft on moon today. The USofA? “I am in my mid-thirties, working at NASA as a scientist, and I already have five scientist friends with severe, emergent health challenges. They are all affected by overwork, exhaustion and extreme stress.”
RE: Resistance to the idea of UFOS and NHIs and “Ontological Shock”
Daishigyo
While there is real and general resistance to acknowledging the reality of the existence of UFOs and of NHIs, and there is, as well, demonstrated institutional resistance within the DOD and Intelligence Community to disclosure of any information on these subjects, beside any national defense motives there is the reluctance of every single one of us to abandon our current comforting worldview and the security it provides.
To quote John E. Mack, M.D. in his book, “Passport to the Cosmos,” p.36-
“A worldview functions at both individual and institutional levels. It is a source of security and a compass to guide us. For an individual it holds the psyche together. To destroy someone’s worldview is virtually to destroy that person. A complex network of institutions, an edifice of power and money, supports a worldview and gives it legitimacy. People who present ideas which seriously challenge that worldview are punished—by death for heresy in the past, and now by ridicule, by debunking, and efforts to destroy their reputations. Catholic theologian Thomas Berry has written, “For peoples generally their story of the universe and the human role in the universe is their primary source of intelligibility and value…the deepest crises experienced by any society are those moments of change when the story becomes inadequate for meeting the survival demands of the present situation.””
“In the Zen tradition, the collapse of a worldview is called daishigyo, which means “the great death.” This occurs when there is a melting away of our images of the self, the world, and culture—the loss of the sense of who we are in the cosmos that a worldview provides.” (Zen Master George Bowman, personal communication to the author, June 25, 1999).”
Snow on Pine;
So you are clinging to your faith in UFOs and NHIs because your worldview and peronsal integrity are at stake? That is sad to have all of one’s eggs in such a threadbare basket.
Apologies to John E. Mack, Catholic theology and possibly the Zen tradition…
Having one’s worldview melt away is interesting, sometimes traumatic, but I don’t believe it is all that unusual a human experience, i.e. not that big a deal. People get over extreme experiences. They adjust their worldviews and move on.
The Jesus/Joan of Arc types who challenge the establishment worldview and are punished, receive such treatment because they threaten established authority. Full stop.
John E. Mack himself is an interesting case. He was an enormously successful talented man — he rose to become head of the Harvard Medical School of Psychiatry and even won a Pulitzer Prize for his biography of Lawrence of Arabia. (Which I read and it’s excellent.)
However, he began investigating UFO abductions and took those who reported such experiences seriously. This was enough for Harvard to launch a fourteen-month investigation of Mack essentially for thought crimes indicating professional irresponsibility.
Fortunately a number of professors, including Alan Dershowitz, stood up for Mack, and Mack was reaffirmed in his academic freedom.
I submit the Harvard committee was not concerned that Mack was an existential threat to their worldview, but he did threaten their authority and power.
om—It’s pretty obvious whose worldview is being threatened by any consideration of the subjects of UFOs and NHIs, and it ain’t mine.
For a long time I assumed defenestration was some deviant practice that I didn’t want to know about.
Then I learned that it meant being thrown out of a window. It still seemed like a strange, surprisingly specific word. I don’t think there is a word for being thrown off, say, a roof.
Now that I knows some French, I can spot fenêtre for window right off the bat, and voilà, the French have a verb: défenestrer.
BTW, the little hat over the French “ê” often means that the older spelling was “es”, which is surprisingly handy for figuring out French-English cognates.
Thank god, I’m learning French and not some distant language.
Snow on Pine:
You spend a lot of effort proselytizing, Could be worse, could be the flat earth, Oh well,
huxley is on to something of genuine importance. He writes “For a long time I assumed defenestration was some deviant practice that I didn’t want to know about.
Then I learned that it meant being thrown out of a window. It still seemed like a strange, surprisingly specific word.
It is. And one ought to have learned it from Western Civ, or else a course on Modern Europe (ie, since the Middle Ages). And the reason it was important and continues to be important is because the singular event of 1618 (neglecting previous 15thC defenestrations) termed “THE defenestration of Prague” concerns the Early Modern struggle through the Wars of Religion to arrive at a workable “freedom of conscience” regarding religious belief.
It is precisely this issue that will be argued and fought over from now until at least the next Presidential election.
What happened was simple, in the context of the Protestant Revolt, sparked by Martin Luther at Worms just over 500 years ago.
The Aristocratic leaders of Protestant Bavaria had gained a Bill of Majesty to sanction Protestant version of Christianity in that land. They met with Catholic Habsburg leaders, however, imbued with the New fervour from Rome, the Counter-Reformation.
And because this meeting occurred in the Holy Roman Empire (mostly just the Habsburg Empire) they met in Prague, fairly central for both sides.
After both sides had made statements, the Catholic side was accused of wishing to void the Bill of Majesty and thus Protestantism in Baveria! Thereupon, three Catholic leaders were forcibly tossed from a third floor window to the ground!
Surprisingly, the three survived! Catholics subsequently ascribed their luck to God’s beneficent Will. Later, Protestants returned the favor saying that they were saved by a dung heap! (Albeit, without facts supporting the…um, smear.
Now, does this sound at all like today’s politics? It does, indeed.
After this, Protestant forces stirred, and Catholic forces for war gathered. This event resulted in the Thirty Years War.
The Biblical significance (pace roofers in huxley’s contrasting example) comes from the story of Jezebel and her fall from high to low, and thus a Fall from Grace. The parallels of the Righteous humiliating of the sinner in Christendom and the Koranic practice of beheading Infidels throat gutting or beheading, should be noticed.
Therefore, the defenestration of Prague’s deep religious and symbolic significance. The assault was intended as a deeper, spiritual insult. And this is a meaning now lost in our Modern Age of Ignorance, sadly.
Today, we take for granted our freedom of conscience and belief. Yet this is precisely what’s at stake in Georgia’s Fulton County assault on Team Trump. If we cannot agree to disagree about election outcomes, then we’re back to the defenestration of rival leaders.
CORRECTION The plural use is preferred by the historically well-read — similar acts, same city! SIMILAR symbolism.) [All granted, despite my humble work as a roofer myself!]
“In the Middle Ages and early modern times, defenestration was not uncommon—the act carried elements of lynching and mob violence in the form of murder committed together.” — Wiki as ABOVE
TJ,
When the Prague incident was covered in daughter’s AP Euro History course she thought it was quite funny that the Holy Roman Empire was – as she put it – neither
‘Holy’ nor ‘Roman’!
You would think that Prighozhin would have been wary enough not to take this form of travel or, at least, to have set up a number of different reservations to make it hard to determine which flight he was actually on.
Re: The Defenestration of Prague
TJ:
Long ago I read an article of that title, which was accompanied by a clever drawing of a giant frog the size of a building with many windows. I’m sure its explanation was in line with your summary.
Unfortunately all my brain remembered was the bright shiny object, i.e. the giant frog. Hmm…so defenestration has something to do with frogs.
I got straightened out post-9-11, when I discovered Muslims were defenestrating incautious scholars investigating heretical theories of Islam’s origin.
Molly Brown’s daughter was amused! Indeed, it’s a forever quote from quotable Voltaire:
Ce corps qui s’appelait et qui s’appelle encore le saint empire romain n’était en aucune manière ni saint, ni romain, ni empire.
“This body which called itself and which still calls itself the Holy Roman Empire was in no way holy, nor Roman, nor an empire.”
— Wikiquote
OPENING LINES:
“The two centuries since its dissolution in 1806, the Holy Roman Empire has usually been viewed as an antiquated relic of the medieval past, a dysfunctional polity that hindered Germany’s development into a modern, liberal nation-state. In the wake of its demise, a chorus of famous intellectuals and statesmen—including Voltaire, James Madison, Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, Leopold von Ranke, and Heinrich von Treitschke—derided the Empire as a ‘monstrosity’ hampered by outmoded institutions and backward policies.”
The review explains that Peter Wilson’s mission is to reverse this long settled judgement almost entirely. And in fact to argue that post-war Europe’s economic and later political integration in the European Union — for good or bad — SURPRISE! fallows the lines of precedent set by the Holy Roman Empire.
It’s a tome from 7 years ago in my reading que. From other things I’ve read in the last two decades, I believe that I’ll find Wilson’s estimate more correct — even though, I too, grew up with Voltaire’s excellent and mirthful version of the past.
Fun stuff.
PS huxley. I am amused. Maybe a search on the frog will work?
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Fascinating, and beautiful.
I have walked on a Roman Road in the wilds of Yorkshire Dales. It was still in good repair.
There is something particularly disgusting about the NeverTrumpers who pretend to be unbiased observers in the press box opining about the electoral prospects of Trump. In reality, they’ve been beating on him relentlessly with baseball bats and now are trying to tell us that the injuries from those beatings have made him too damaged to play the game well.
Andy McCarthy had a twitter thread trying to claim that he wants a Republican to win in 2024, that it was impossible for Trump to win, that he could never vote for Trump, and that Trump should have been convicted in his impeachment trial.
My opinions — Andy has shown conclusively that he isn’t really a conservative or a Republican, his hate has made him stupid, he is incapable of rational thought when it comes to Trump, and he’s either dishonest or blind about the evil of Dem lawfare and dirty tricks.
Is there something in our food that is eating people’s brains? When someone claims that a fire started by arsonists is due to climate change, people who aren’t insane or stupid used to be expected to know the claim is wrong. Or if covid required the closing of beaches and playgrounds, mass protests and rioting were also a problem. Or if Biden bragged about his corrupt actions, that Trump asking about it isn’t an impeachable offense. We could point out such easy ones 7/24 and still not be done by Christmas.
As Vince Lombardi once asked, “What the hell is going on out there?!”
Is everyone insane? I can only conclude that it has to be all about the hate. Hate melts brains.
Michael Chrichton once pointed out in a speech that none of the talking heads on tv are ever held accountable for being wrong.
Why aren’t those (especially who claim to be rooting for Republicans) held responsible for telling us Biden was a man of character? When do people lose credibility?
I guess accountability is dead in America. Liars, cheaters and thieves thrive. All who seek justice are scorned, abused and jailed.
stan said “I guess accountability is dead in America. Liars, cheaters and thieves thrive.”
Thrive yes and are encouraged: https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Ffreebeacon.com%2Fcampus%2Fportland-school-district-workshops-equitable-grading-practices-that-outlaw-zeros-for-cheating-missing-work%2F
stan:
Actually, McCarthy has been bad on 2 issues. The first is that he initially trusted people like Comey, with whom he had worked. He had a tough time shedding his respect for the DOJ and the FBI, but shed it he did. The second is that January 6th freaked him out. He had never liked Trump before that, but he was pretty fair towards him. After January 6th, that changed. So he’s a somewhat special case among NeverTrumpers, I think. For him Januay 6th was a turning point.
We’ll change your mind … or else. “Expressed opposition to trans surgery butchery and the lying climate apocalypse-mongers.” https://thepostmillennial.com/breaking-jordan-peterson-forced-to-undergo-reeducation-from-ontario-college-of-psychologists-to-retain-his-license?cfp
Quote, 8/22/23:
VIDEO: Welcome to Smash Francisco
https://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/2023/08/22/video-welcome-to-smash-francisco-n1721013
“The second is that January 6th freaked him out.”
I believe many of the freaked out by January 6th have never seen or read anything that contradicts the violent videos.
Most here have seen vids of people calmly visiting the capital and walking the halls in an orderly fashion. And, lately, vids of the police firing into the crowds.
And, of course, the Ray Epps vids of him encouraging misbehavior and somehow not being charged with a crime.
That Roman glass is proof of extraterrestrials.
Change my mind.
hes been wrong, back to when he vouched for pat fitzgerald, back during the plame case,
Fullmoon ~ The algorithm says they want their Roman glass back 😉
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/an-algorithm-has-detected-8-mysterious-signals-that-possibly-came-from-aliens/ar-AA175kZZ?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=4717e01370d5475b92c8ab1e9371c54d&ei=28
McCarthy. A man of the 1990s, with something to offer in the following decade because of 9/11. Your Time Is Up — the milk is spoiled.
Well, at least the guy who led a failed mutiny against Russian forces in June didn’t “fall out of a window”– “Wagner boss Yevgeny Prigozhin was on the passenger list of a jet which crashed killing all on board, Russia’s civil aviation authority has said. Earlier, Wagner-linked Telegram channel Grey Zone reported the Embraer aircraft was shot down by air defences in the Tver region, north of Moscow. The jet, which was flying from the capital to St Petersburg, was carrying seven passengers and three crew. . . . Grey Zone said local residents heard two bangs before the crash and saw two vapour trails.”
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66599733
Beat me to it, PA Cat. I thought he’d be pushed out of a window.
Colonel MacGreggor reports that Ukrainian terrorists shot down the plane. (not, but sarc)
“Putin” rules. “If you are going to kill the King ….” A dead man walking as they say.
This assumes that Prigozhin was actually on the plane. I believe nothing coming from Putin and the gang.
It would seem Prigozhin failed to pay sufficient attention during the final scenes of “The Godfather.”
3 quick notes on the VP Debate Poll:
1) Percentages are changing, so it appears to be a live poll.
2) A clear frontrunner has emerged.
3) One of the contenders has a fly on his head.
Make your voice heard!
https://www.vpdebate2024.com
Reports are now that social media accounts associated with the Wagner Group say Prigozhin and other top Wagner leaders died on the plane. Observers think it was shot down.
I won’t say “RIP” for monsters, no matter what happened.
Way back in the early Putin years a plane flying from Poland into Russia with a large percentage of the uppermost levels of the Polish government unexpectedly crashed in Russia, no survivors. IIRC the visit was related to an observance of the Katyn
Massacre. Cooperation from Russia about the crash was scant, again from memory.
They couldn’t all jump out of the same window …..
“Crazy times demand crazy actions.” That’s Dan Bongino’s reaction to Trump surrendering to a $200K bond tomorrow.
POST NO BOND! Refuse President Trump! TIME TO EXPOSE THIS FASCIST FRAUD TO THE WORLD, by making Trump the US’ first political prisoner! LET THE PEOPLE HOLD WATCH OUTSIDE Fulton, Co. jail! LET THE WHOLE WORLD WATCH IT!
Go to 17m and start
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBgVC3EA6xA
Bongino is an ex-Secret Service agent. He quotes Federal law. The Service under the Supremacy Clause can close down an entire wing of their jail so that Trump doesn’t see anyone else. LET IT BE!
I’m just catching up with Dan’s show now, as I wright. I SAY YES!
Bongino says repeatedly that these fascists will double and triple down on their oppression. AGREED.
Therefore, crazy tactics to deal with Evil are needed. Trump needs to REFUSE posting bail. Email The Real President. REFUSE Mr President!
India joyfully lands craft on moon today. The USofA? “I am in my mid-thirties, working at NASA as a scientist, and I already have five scientist friends with severe, emergent health challenges. They are all affected by overwork, exhaustion and extreme stress.”
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/08/23/nasas-running-a-mental-ward-kimberley-miner-im-a-nasa-climate-scientist-heres-how-im-handling-climate-grief/
RE: Resistance to the idea of UFOS and NHIs and “Ontological Shock”
Daishigyo
While there is real and general resistance to acknowledging the reality of the existence of UFOs and of NHIs, and there is, as well, demonstrated institutional resistance within the DOD and Intelligence Community to disclosure of any information on these subjects, beside any national defense motives there is the reluctance of every single one of us to abandon our current comforting worldview and the security it provides.
To quote John E. Mack, M.D. in his book, “Passport to the Cosmos,” p.36-
“A worldview functions at both individual and institutional levels. It is a source of security and a compass to guide us. For an individual it holds the psyche together. To destroy someone’s worldview is virtually to destroy that person. A complex network of institutions, an edifice of power and money, supports a worldview and gives it legitimacy. People who present ideas which seriously challenge that worldview are punished—by death for heresy in the past, and now by ridicule, by debunking, and efforts to destroy their reputations. Catholic theologian Thomas Berry has written, “For peoples generally their story of the universe and the human role in the universe is their primary source of intelligibility and value…the deepest crises experienced by any society are those moments of change when the story becomes inadequate for meeting the survival demands of the present situation.””
“In the Zen tradition, the collapse of a worldview is called daishigyo, which means “the great death.” This occurs when there is a melting away of our images of the self, the world, and culture—the loss of the sense of who we are in the cosmos that a worldview provides.” (Zen Master George Bowman, personal communication to the author, June 25, 1999).”
Snow on Pine;
So you are clinging to your faith in UFOs and NHIs because your worldview and peronsal integrity are at stake? That is sad to have all of one’s eggs in such a threadbare basket.
Apologies to John E. Mack, Catholic theology and possibly the Zen tradition…
Having one’s worldview melt away is interesting, sometimes traumatic, but I don’t believe it is all that unusual a human experience, i.e. not that big a deal. People get over extreme experiences. They adjust their worldviews and move on.
The Jesus/Joan of Arc types who challenge the establishment worldview and are punished, receive such treatment because they threaten established authority. Full stop.
John E. Mack himself is an interesting case. He was an enormously successful talented man — he rose to become head of the Harvard Medical School of Psychiatry and even won a Pulitzer Prize for his biography of Lawrence of Arabia. (Which I read and it’s excellent.)
However, he began investigating UFO abductions and took those who reported such experiences seriously. This was enough for Harvard to launch a fourteen-month investigation of Mack essentially for thought crimes indicating professional irresponsibility.
Fortunately a number of professors, including Alan Dershowitz, stood up for Mack, and Mack was reaffirmed in his academic freedom.
I submit the Harvard committee was not concerned that Mack was an existential threat to their worldview, but he did threaten their authority and power.
om—It’s pretty obvious whose worldview is being threatened by any consideration of the subjects of UFOs and NHIs, and it ain’t mine.
Dana Loesch said his plane fell out of a window.
Some new sightings… depending on your worldview 🙂
https://www.ufosightingsdaily.com/
Dana Loesch said his plane fell out of a window.
chazzard:
For a long time I assumed defenestration was some deviant practice that I didn’t want to know about.
Then I learned that it meant being thrown out of a window. It still seemed like a strange, surprisingly specific word. I don’t think there is a word for being thrown off, say, a roof.
Now that I knows some French, I can spot fenêtre for window right off the bat, and voilà, the French have a verb: défenestrer.
BTW, the little hat over the French “ê” often means that the older spelling was “es”, which is surprisingly handy for figuring out French-English cognates.
Thus, fenêtre –> fenestre –> défenestrer –> defenestrate
Thank god, I’m learning French and not some distant language.
Snow on Pine:
You spend a lot of effort proselytizing, Could be worse, could be the flat earth, Oh well,
huxley is on to something of genuine importance. He writes “For a long time I assumed defenestration was some deviant practice that I didn’t want to know about.
Then I learned that it meant being thrown out of a window. It still seemed like a strange, surprisingly specific word.
It is. And one ought to have learned it from Western Civ, or else a course on Modern Europe (ie, since the Middle Ages). And the reason it was important and continues to be important is because the singular event of 1618 (neglecting previous 15thC defenestrations) termed “THE defenestration of Prague” concerns the Early Modern struggle through the Wars of Religion to arrive at a workable “freedom of conscience” regarding religious belief.
It is precisely this issue that will be argued and fought over from now until at least the next Presidential election.
What happened was simple, in the context of the Protestant Revolt, sparked by Martin Luther at Worms just over 500 years ago.
The Aristocratic leaders of Protestant Bavaria had gained a Bill of Majesty to sanction Protestant version of Christianity in that land. They met with Catholic Habsburg leaders, however, imbued with the New fervour from Rome, the Counter-Reformation.
And because this meeting occurred in the Holy Roman Empire (mostly just the Habsburg Empire) they met in Prague, fairly central for both sides.
After both sides had made statements, the Catholic side was accused of wishing to void the Bill of Majesty and thus Protestantism in Baveria! Thereupon, three Catholic leaders were forcibly tossed from a third floor window to the ground!
Surprisingly, the three survived! Catholics subsequently ascribed their luck to God’s beneficent Will. Later, Protestants returned the favor saying that they were saved by a dung heap! (Albeit, without facts supporting the…um, smear.
Now, does this sound at all like today’s politics? It does, indeed.
After this, Protestant forces stirred, and Catholic forces for war gathered. This event resulted in the Thirty Years War.
The Biblical significance (pace roofers in huxley’s contrasting example) comes from the story of Jezebel and her fall from high to low, and thus a Fall from Grace. The parallels of the Righteous humiliating of the sinner in Christendom and the Koranic practice of beheading Infidels throat gutting or beheading, should be noticed.
Therefore, the defenestration of Prague’s deep religious and symbolic significance. The assault was intended as a deeper, spiritual insult. And this is a meaning now lost in our Modern Age of Ignorance, sadly.
Today, we take for granted our freedom of conscience and belief. Yet this is precisely what’s at stake in Georgia’s Fulton County assault on Team Trump. If we cannot agree to disagree about election outcomes, then we’re back to the defenestration of rival leaders.
There’s nothing new under the Sun.
A SHORT HISTORY of the Defenestration of Prague
https://allthatsinteresting.com/defenestration
Wikipedia’s longer and turgid “Defenestrations of Prague.”
(The plural use is preferred by the historically well-read — similar acts, same city!) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defenestrations_of_Prague
CORRECTION The plural use is preferred by the historically well-read — similar acts, same city! SIMILAR symbolism.) [All granted, despite my humble work as a roofer myself!]
“In the Middle Ages and early modern times, defenestration was not uncommon—the act carried elements of lynching and mob violence in the form of murder committed together.” — Wiki as ABOVE
TJ,
When the Prague incident was covered in daughter’s AP Euro History course she thought it was quite funny that the Holy Roman Empire was – as she put it – neither
‘Holy’ nor ‘Roman’!
You would think that Prighozhin would have been wary enough not to take this form of travel or, at least, to have set up a number of different reservations to make it hard to determine which flight he was actually on.
Re: The Defenestration of Prague
TJ:
Long ago I read an article of that title, which was accompanied by a clever drawing of a giant frog the size of a building with many windows. I’m sure its explanation was in line with your summary.
Unfortunately all my brain remembered was the bright shiny object, i.e. the giant frog. Hmm…so defenestration has something to do with frogs.
I got straightened out post-9-11, when I discovered Muslims were defenestrating incautious scholars investigating heretical theories of Islam’s origin.
Molly Brown’s daughter was amused! Indeed, it’s a forever quote from quotable Voltaire:
Ce corps qui s’appelait et qui s’appelle encore le saint empire romain n’était en aucune manière ni saint, ni romain, ni empire.
“This body which called itself and which still calls itself the Holy Roman Empire was in no way holy, nor Roman, nor an empire.”
— Wikiquote
A European history teacher spends four paragraphs exposing the genuine truth of Voltaire’s pithiness.
https://www.enotes.com/homework-help/sentence-voltaire-state-that-holy-roman-empire-465633
An Oxford historian spends over half a thousand pages to detail the one-thousand year history of the Empire too few know: Peter Wilson’s “The Holy Roman Empire: A Thousand Years of Europe’s History”
REVIEW here
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/central-european-history/article/an-empire-for-our-times-a-discussion-of-peter-wilsons-the-holy-roman-empire-a-thousand-years-of-europes-history/AF57BD06F7F31E78A622F4BB25FC1CE1
OPENING LINES:
“The two centuries since its dissolution in 1806, the Holy Roman Empire has usually been viewed as an antiquated relic of the medieval past, a dysfunctional polity that hindered Germany’s development into a modern, liberal nation-state. In the wake of its demise, a chorus of famous intellectuals and statesmen—including Voltaire, James Madison, Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, Leopold von Ranke, and Heinrich von Treitschke—derided the Empire as a ‘monstrosity’ hampered by outmoded institutions and backward policies.”
The review explains that Peter Wilson’s mission is to reverse this long settled judgement almost entirely. And in fact to argue that post-war Europe’s economic and later political integration in the European Union — for good or bad — SURPRISE! fallows the lines of precedent set by the Holy Roman Empire.
It’s a tome from 7 years ago in my reading que. From other things I’ve read in the last two decades, I believe that I’ll find Wilson’s estimate more correct — even though, I too, grew up with Voltaire’s excellent and mirthful version of the past.
Fun stuff.
PS huxley. I am amused. Maybe a search on the frog will work?