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Open thread 7/15/23 — 29 Comments

  1. The final scenes of the movie “Robin Hood,” which starred Russell Crowe, had Maid Marian riding around in a suit of armor. It ruined the movie for me, which was otherwise excellent. Needless to say, we haven’t seen any of those other comic book movies.

  2. Many pet peeves of mine get what they deserve in that video. Very pleasing. In particular the thin 110-pound woman knocking down with one punch a guy who looks like a boxer nearly always causes me to complain audibly. I think my wife gets tired of it.

    As some of you may know, the Star Wars spin-off The Mandalorian has an actress who is one of the few to seem remotely plausible doing such things. They still overdo it, of course, but at least she doesn’t look frail. She looks strongly built, like she actually could hurt you. I was intrigued and looked her up. Turns out she’s a boxer, Gina Carano. Her character was written out of the story after she made some “offensive” political remarks.

  3. Ah, the Critical Drinker. Very nice. A great collection of clips.

    I’ve watched the relatively new film “Kate” on Netflix a couple times, starring Mary Elizabeth Winstead as the tough female. She plays a skilled assassin so it is very violent. It’s something of a formulaic mashup of other film ideas like the old DOA, and Kill Bill. But Winstead says that she has been a huge fan of characters like Ripley in the Alien movies and I think she and the filmmakers got a lot of it right.

  4. RE: UFOs–

    Well, it looks like things are really heating up on the UFO disclosure front.

    Now we have Senators Schumer, Rubio, Gillibrand, Young, Heinrich, and Rounds cosponsoring a very detailed, comprehensive, and wide-ranging Amendment to the 2024 National Defense Authorization Act which would set up a very powerful UAP Review Board.*

    This could mean more disclosure, it could mean less, since this board can always withhold information if the Board believes that it might have a serious impact on our national defense or foreign policy.

    One thing I find quite interesting is the fact that this proposed amendment quite frequently and routinely concerns itself with the subjects of Non Human Intelligence (NHI) defined as

    “The term‘‘non-human intelligence’’ means any sentient intelligent non-human life form regardless of nature or ultimate origin that may be presumed responsible for unidentified anomalous phenomena or of which the Federal Government has become aware.”

    With “technologies of unknown origin” defined as

    The term ‘‘technologies of unknown origin’’ means any materials or meta-materials, ejecta, crash debris, mechanisms, machinery, equipment, assemblies or sub-assemblies, engineering models or processes, damaged or intact aerospace vehicles, and damaged or intact ocean-surface and undersea craft associated with unidentified anomalous phenomena or incorporating science and technology that lacks prosaic attribution or known means of human manufacture.”

    And “Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena” defined as

    IN GENERAL.—The term ‘‘unidentified anomalous phenomena’’ means any object operating or judged capable of operating in outer-space, the atmosphere, ocean surfaces, or undersea lacking prosaic attribution due to performance characteristics and properties not previously known to be achievable based upon commonly accepted physical principles. Unidentified anomalous phenomena are differentiated from both attributed and temporarily non-attributed objects by one or more of the following
    observables:

    (i) Instantaneous acceleration absent apparent inertia.
    (ii) Hypersonic velocity absent a thermal signature and sonic shockwave.
    (iii) Transmedium (such as space-to-ground and air-to-undersea) travel.
    (iv) Positive lift contrary to known aerodynamic principles.
    (v) Multispectral signature control.
    (vi) Physical or invasive biological effects to close observers and the environment.

    (B) INCLUSIONS.—The term ‘‘unidentified anomalous phenomena’’ includes what were previously described as—
    (i) flying discs;
    (ii) flying saucers;
    (iii) unidentified aerial phenomena;
    (iv) unidentified flying objects
    (xi) (UFOs); and
    (xii) unidentified submerged objects (USOs).

    As I commented here before, the Members of Congress would not be putting in this much effort, and crafting legislation referring to things that a couple of years ago would have been seen as absolutely crazy, tin foil hat stuff, if they didn’t think that there was something there.

    * See text here https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/07/official-uap-disclosure-more-doubtful-as-d-c/

  5. A post at ‘DayByDay’ that deserves some thought:

    July 15, 2023 at 10:07 am – John:
    Should DJT manage to get the presidential nomination he could do worse than make Vivek Ramaswamy his VP.
    It looks like draining the swamp has to start with the SS now and VR would then be in a position to police the police.
    DJT needs a VP who the swamp will see as an even greater threat to them than he is.
    And I still think Ron DeSantis should start out as AG. He already has friends on the Hill who can network with him to get started on draining there.
    It’s become obvious that our policies, both foreign and domestic, are bought and paid for by Big Business across the board, and the Democratic Party is now, by definition, Fascist.
    It’s going to be a long hard slog to get out from under the Uniparty rule.

  6. RE: UFOs and who presides over whatever Disclosure there might be–

    P.S. This new piece of Senate legislation may be an attempt to get out ahead of the issue, and to claim ownership of it.

    The House has added it’s UAP language to the 2024 NDAA which just passed yesterday, so now it’s the Senate’s turn.

    From what I understand, in general the committee staff and members of the Senate committees concerned have higher security clearances than those in the House and, thus, have the potential to access and to be briefed on a broader range of UAP material.

    If this UAP/UFO/Alien issue turns out to be the monumental issue I believe it may be, then, whichever Congressional committees have some control over the issue may have access to immensely important technological, economic, foreign policy and a host of other information, these a source of great potential power and influence for the members of those Committees.

  7. Well, Stan, with millionaire actors and actresses on strike, it may not take long. 😉

  8. RE: UFOs and “foreign relations”

    P.P.S.–As far as I am aware of, up until now any discussion of UAPs/UFOs always focused on the National Security and Air Safety angles, but now this Senate legislation also introduces the idea that information on UFOs might have effects on “foreign relations.”

    Now what, pray tell, might they be, and with who?

  9. Jordan is very critical of the story arcs themselves, too. The female protagonists in today’s movies are never really shown learning anything on the acquisition of whatever skills the movies show them having- they just have the power right from the start and are only shown overcoming the failures of the mostly male characters, many of whom in the legacy films were formidable at one time (see the Star Wars sequels and the latest Indiana Jones movies), but are now just bumbling idiots.

    It does show a lack of writing creativity and a kind of imbecility overall.

  10. When do we get movies with strong transgender characters? The scenes write themselves: 1) Stealing suitcases of clothing to punish “straight” fashion designers; 2) Storming the FBI Building with cans of Bud Light thrown from a trebuchet; 3) A love triangle involving two transgenders and a furry; 4) A hockey game between two teams of transgenders (this last actually happened in Wisconsin in November 2022, and a transman sustained a concussion: https://quillette.com/blog/2022/12/09/ignoring-biological-reality-puts-female-hockey-players-at-risk/) . . . well anyway, are you not entertained?

  11. Yancey —
    That’s “THE Modern Message” (Audible echo, in the Critical Drinker speak).

  12. I haven’t seen any recently made movies – not even “Top Gun, Maverick.” At one time movies were entertaining. But now, even the good ones are overdone with hyperbolic efforts to show ultra masculinity and unbelievable feats of prowess by both men and women.

    The last movie I saw that hit home for me was “The Hurt Locker.” Lots of male bravery, but IMO, not overdone. I’m definitely an old curmudgeon when it comes to movies today.
    Sad. I used to enjoy them.

  13. Re: UFO legislation

    It’s just more bullshit / rubbish emanating from “law makers” to delay, obfuscate, hinder, slow walk……etc., the release of UFO info.

    Supposedly the DOD and all Federal agencies must answer to Congress. If this is so, Congress just needs to order the relevant federal agencies to make public all info they have on UFOs.
    But they simply refuse to do this.
    If UFOs exist, there are no national security issues at stake because “real” UFOs are immune to any defensive or offensive measures that our government – or any govt. – can employ to repel them.

    So what is there to hide? What are the national security issues?
    Are they; “UFOs can do whatever they damn well please and there is not one thing anybody can do about it?
    Is this surprising to anybody?

    Any terrestrial based UFO – that is, not a “real” UFO – is simply incapable of replicating the behaviour of an extraterrestrial one. So this notion that the UFO data has to be reviewed before anything is released to avoid national security concerns is crap.

  14. Now I want to rewatch Alien and Aliens. Not interested in any of the movies after that, but Ripley was my hero back in the 80s. When I remember the scene with her in the big metal suit standing between the last alien (the queen, was it?) and Newt, and she roars, “Get away from her, you bitch!” it still makes me want to pop up out of my seat and cheer the way the whole theater did back then.

    Sigh. They weren’t afraid to let maternal protectiveness be a motivation back then, apparently.

  15. JohnTyler–

    One reason for trying to stop disclosure might be that disclosing this information would be an admission that—despite all of our very expensive military forces—we are effectively defenseless against Aliens who have superior technology.

    Also often mentioned as another possible motivation are the possibilities of criminal prosecutions against those who committed crimes in furtherance of the disinformation/cover up campaign.

    Finally, there might be the possibility of civil suits brought by aerospace companies against other aerospace companies which might have greatly profited from being given some pieces of technology from crashed UFOs, or even entire UFOs, and were then able to glean some hints about alien technology which enabled them to produce products that brought these fortunate/connected companies immense profits.

    To quote Dr. Wernher von Braun,

    “(UFOs) are conceived and directed by intelligent beings. They probably do not originate in our solar system.”

    Years later he was quoted as saying, “We cannot take the credit for our record advancement in certain scientific fields alone. We have been helped.” When asked by whom, he replied,”The people of other worlds.”

    Items often mentioned as possible candidates for such items are—fiber optics, transistors, integrated circuit boards, and lasers.

    See https://www.alienhub.com/threads/list-of-twelve-alien-technologies-the-world-has-benefited-from.44338/

  16. i doubt it, the technology comes from so many different sources,

    yes alien was a slow burn it doesn’t really hit until the first hour, but aliens really was breakneck pace

  17. “Items often mentioned as possible candidates for such items are—fiber optics, transistors, integrated circuit boards, and lasers.”

    Ridiculous statement…most sophomore and almost all junior physics majors can easily explain all those devices. Simple QM and a bit of good engineering.

  18. OK, I’ll take yer conspiracy theories and raise ye’ (into the stratosphere…).
    “The Achilles’ Heel Of The JFK Assassination”—
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/achilles-heel-jfk-assassination
    “Nobel Prize-Winning Scientist: ‘Climate Crisis’ Narrative Is A Hoax”—
    https://blazingcatfur.ca/2023/07/15/nobel-prize-winning-scientist-climate-crisis-narrative-is-a-hoax/
    “The Inside Story Of How The FBI’s Top Brass Intervened To Protect Top Democrats”—
    https://blazingcatfur.ca/2023/07/16/the-inside-story-of-how-the-fbis-top-brass-intervened-to-protect-top-democrats/
    + Bonus (a withering blast from the sordid past…)
    “Jack The Ripper’s Identity ‘Revealed’ By Newly Discovered Medical Records”—
    https://blazingcatfur.ca/2023/07/15/jack-the-rippers-identity-revealed-by-newly-discovered-medical-records/

    Can’t believe a blasted thing these days….

  19. Open Thread Sunday: Russo-Ukraine war

    Cluster Munitions & Artillery in Ukraine – Attrition, Ammunition & Adaptation in 2023 – Perun

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zcUe47xerQ

    Timestamps:
    00:00:00 — The Artillery War In Ukraine — 2023
    00:01:48 — What Am I Talking About?
    00:02:25 — The Decisive Weapon
    00:08:01 — Changing Tools & Tactics
    00:13:14 — Losses & Trends
    00:24:35 — Ammo Consumption
    00:32:17 — Cluster Munitions & The Debate
    00:50:14 — Russian artillery sustainability
    00:59:00 — NATO+
    01:08:34 — Next Steps
    01:11:42 — Conclusions
    01:12:58 — Channel Update

    Note to MollyG – How to use bold face.

  20. Re: JFK assassination

    There is no way on earth that a petty gangster with ties (and actual experience with) the Chicago and Dallas mob, decided to kill Oswald because he, Ruby, was upset that Oswald shot JFK.
    Frankly, a guy like Ruby – an owner of a strip club – could give a shite who is president or who shot him.

    What I am still puzzled about, however, is WHY JFK was killed.

    Was it because the mob was betrayed by Joe Kennedy Sr and was being hunted down by RFK Jr.??……. thus suggesting it was a mob ordered hit.

    Or did the CIA arrange the murder, and if so, why?

    Because the CIA was betrayed by JFK’s last minute decision not to send air support to the Bay of Pigs invasion force? …..suggesting it was a CIA job.
    Or was it some impending decision of JFK’s re: Vietnam?…..thus suggesting a DOD and CIA job.

    We will find out the truth when Christopher Wray testifies before Congress and actually does not lie and obfuscate.
    I predict with total confidence that this will occur never..

  21. Re: Modern movies, Critical Drinker, Indy 5

    Aside from my fanboy tendencies, I think there is a larger, more important story of cultural change happening here.

    Disney, as the now most faithful bearer of the Woke banner, is suffering terrible losses because their bets on wokeifying their core intellectual properties have lately all gone sour. Disney is looking at +$1 bil of losses.

    Plus they have plundered their big properties, most notably Star Wars and Indiana Jones. They must now develop new material, instead of remaking old. I see no reason to believe they have the the talent or the flexibility to do so.

    If one buys Brietbart’s maxim, “Politics is downstream from culture,” this is a big win.

  22. “…What I am still puzzled about, however, is WHY JFK was killed….”
    Why indeed…
    Who knows?…though I’m fairly certain that Chuck Schumer can help us out here.
    (Even though there still seem to be quite a few Fidel die-hards…)
    – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    Huxley, Breitbart is truly excellent…but for some reason I still prefer Ecclesiastes 1:7.

  23. I watched a recent episode of a police procedural TV show in which a fairly petite woman singlehandedly lifted a large manhole cover, effortlessly.

    I had a problem with my willing suspension of disbelief at that one. Which trickles out to “Is there ANYTHING believable about this show?”

    I continued to watch the show, but I didn’t watch anymore episodes after that. Once I can’t buy into it, it seems a waste if time.

    And I was able to buy into a lot of Star Trek episodes.

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