The most beautiful woman in the Netherlands
Is a biological male.
Is anyone the least bit surprised at this development, in which Rikkie Valeria Kolle has won the Miss Netherlands title?:
A man just won “Miss Netherlands” 2023.
Considering the fact that we live in a post-Truth world, I wasn’t even expecting anything else. It’s all so predictable and unoriginal at this point. pic.twitter.com/j6NKo2cCvu
— Eva Vlaardingerbroek (@EvaVlaar) July 9, 2023
So if the best female athletes are men, now the most beautiful females are men as well. That photo doesn’t look all that lovely or feminine to me, but the standards of female beauty have changed over the last few decades – many many years before this – to what one might describe as a more masculine ideal. By that I mean what I’ve long thought of as an adolescent boy with breast implants. In other words, a tall, very thin although somewhat wiry person with broad shoulders and fairly straight hips for a woman, and breasts that are relatively large relative to that person’s extreme thinness and slender hips.
The first time I noticed this sort of body coming into prominence involved a biological female, Bo Derek, when she starred in the movie “10”. Here’s the poster, to refresh your memory. And here is a very brief clip:
I’m not criticizing Derek, who seems to have a body that’s naturally that type. And standards of beauty are always met only by a small minority. But fewer women conform to that standard of beauty than to the older standards of breasts and hips more in proportion to each other, not quite so tall nor quite so thin, and shoulders less broad. The newer standard of “male adolescent with implants” is probably met more easily by male to female trans people, with the help of hormones and breast augmentation and the like. So get used to more of this, which seems a form of misogynistic usurpation of the feminine disguised as celebration and tolerant inclusion.
NOTE: Here’s a piece on why this win by Kolle is a wonderful thing that we should all celebrate. Comments are mixed, as you might expect.
Fashion models have looked like that for ages. It’s due to the heavy influence of gay men in fashion whose ideal is a teenage boy who’s gone through a significant growth spurt. Not exactly the most attractive to a heterosexual man. That would be like the centerfolds in Playboy who had more rounded bodies. Hugh Hefner knew what his customers really wanted and it wasn’t on the cover of Vogue, which was really the wet dream of homos.
It is not possible to overstate the level of insanity to which has sunk the entirety of the Western world, Europe perhaps even more than our own moribund republic, thus the popularity, especially amongst the young, of the term “clown world”. Many a wise conservative might even begin to wonder what in 2023 is, in fact, worth preserving of the West, although one can derive some hope from such a wonderful young person as the lovely Eva (brilliant, charismatic, articulate in many languages, as well as fearless).
Paul is exactly right. It’s the homosexuals who dominate in fashion. If you want to know what men want, it’s hard to beat Hedy Lamarr or Sophia Loren.
Why do European and American societies put up with this BS?
Because we have lost our way. Church attendance, the source of moral authority, now low, continues to decline. The progressives, the Marxists, the sexual deviants LBGTQ+ seize the high ground and the rest of us passively accept it, being mental couch potatoes watching black NFL players brutalize each other on a football field. A democratic country or republic, once lost, cannot be recovered. It is like doing CPR on a man dead 15 minutes–futile.
Where are the feminists? Where are the brave stalwarts to argue the case and advance the cause against this existential threat? It seemed all so clear-cut just a few years ago, when toxic masculinity was standing watch over the glass ceiling, the Old Boy’s networked Patriarchy preventing women from self-actualizing. Women that want power have abandoned their nurturing instincts to become more masculine and cut-throat, but in the process, their femininity has been out-flanked.
Men are superior. Can there be any other conclusion?
Paul in Boston,
That’s the conclusion I also came too when I noticed in the ’80s that a lot of women in fashion magazines looked like adolescent males.
A great test to know if one is a heterosexual male, or not, is if one finds first runner up, Nathalie Mogbelzada, more attractive than the winner, Mr. Rikkie.
https://youtu.be/mNqfFEEIjNA
I wouldn’t kick her out of bed for eating Stroopwafels!
}}} a tall, very thin although somewhat wiry person with broad shoulders and fairly straight hips for a woman, and breasts that are relatively large relative to that person’s extreme thinness and slender hips.
This, as an actual male preference, seems questionable. The first issue is that there are, as casually noted, three common classifications for male interest — “Breast” men, “Leg” men, and “Ass” men.
I think it’s pretty obvious from the comparative popularity of the meme “Baby Got Back” that a pretty decent percentage of males are not big on male-grade asses and hips.
And, while some “Breast men” do prefer larger, and accept implants, there is a decent percentage of males, including “Breast men”, who prefer natural. A sign of this can be found in the early 2000s “reader vote” of the UK Tabloid The Sun, which led to the editorial banning of “Women with Breast Implants” for their highly popular “Page 3” girls (The “Page 3 girl” has since been “banned” entirely, but that is beside the point).
Leg men are probably the closest to accepting the suggested ideal, as men do tend towards having “better” legs in terms of non-muscular but lean, trim shape, in this ideal — it is comparatively easy to see the legs only on a “trans” male and say they “look good”. This does not mean men want men’s legs instead of women’s legs, only that they fit the “leg man” ideal pretty well.
I think that the typical Victoria Secret Supermodel of 15 years ago, or the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit model of 25y ago are closer to the male ideal than that suggested. Yes, they have some commonality with the described ideal but are much closer to female than male figures.
One thing to note about males vs. females that hasn’t been commented on is waists.
Narrow waists are not common to men or male features at all, and that has always been a noted feature of femininity. There is a reason why “36-24-26” is the classic 50s measurement, and corsets have been used throughout history to narrow the apparent female waist. A narrow waist, along with a smaller rib cage, has the visual affect of increasing apparent breast size, too.
Another aspect which is not being considered is bone structure. The biggest issue, often, with almost all Trans, and the reason why men find it much much harder to realistically pass for women is bone structure. Women tend to have finer, more slender bones, while men are much more likely to have bulkier, sturdier bone structures. This leads to “man hands” as well as legs which are not even remotely likely to be taken as “those of a woman”. Facial bone structure also applies, here. While there are certainly women who don’t have particularly “good” female faces, there are far fewer men who do.
Regarding Bo Derek,
Dennis Miller used to have a podcast (several, actually), and over time he became more open about holding conservative values. He would often have Bo Derek on his show. They never got into politics, but they and their spouses are friends and, based on the conversations I heard, Bo Derek seemed sensible and conservative.
Her husband, John Derek died and she eventually married actor, John Corbett.
–Steely Dan, “Rikki Don’t Lose That Number”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaxMrzrkzwI
Steely Dan, the rock group, took their name from a giant dildo in a William S. Burroughs novel.
Many assumed, including myself, that the song was about a gay guy coming on to a gay guy.
However, in 2006 interview Donald Fagen explained that he gave his phone number to Rikki Ducornet, the wife of a Bard College professor when Fagen attended. That was the reference.
Darn. Otherwise this would have been a great song tangent for the topic.
Well, I did get to hear an intriguing intro to the song, which was skipped on the radio version.
BTW, Rikki never called Fagen.
BTW, I thought the picture of the runner up – the top scoring woman – was genuinely beautiful.
Neo, it’s funny that you should mention Hugh Hefner. He didn’t invent anything new, skin magazines had probably existed since the invention of modern printing technology. What he did was put erotica in upscale packaging, and promoted his magazine – and lifestyle – as an aspirational good as though it were just another product you had to have if you wanted to “keep up with the Jones” – well Mr. Jones anyway.
I always thought Hefner’s pipe smoking and dinner jackets and all the trappings were contrived and he always seemed to me to give off the vibe of a guy who was trying a little bit too hard. But he had a talent for hiring good writers and amusing cartoonists and also had an eye for graphic design.
But he hung around a little too long and by the time he died many on the left who were in agreement with him politically more or less said “good riddance.”
Well, if that is the way it now works, why not have a just plain ol’ “good-looking” contest and not consider male or female or other; just line up a bunch of people and say “that one” is the best looking?
he’s not a woman, its what tyrus calls womanface, and frankly an affront, but as with many things wrong in the low countries it’s not surprising,
The fashion model body type used to be different from the beauty contest body type. It was the latter type – the pinup girl or beauty contest type – that conformed more to what men like.
But Rufus, in that reel, she’s visibly eating BEN & JERRY’S!! (0:29)
For future beauty pageants, can we have genetic screening of the contestants?
I assume the judges (and everyone else) knew that Rikkie was a Rick with a d***. Therefore, Rikkie was likely an affirmative action victory, i.e. not on the merits.
Could Rikkie or Dylan Mulvaney win a beauty contest without putting a trans thumb on the scale?
Well, there’s so many pretty people in the city
I swear some of them are girls
–New Riders of the Purple Sage, “Lonesome L.A. Cowboy” (1973)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuQIuUVZr-8
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That’s from their “Panama Red” album, way underrated IMO. As well as one of the first country-rock groups.
This is an affront to women and the concept of feminism. The feminists worked so hard over many years to allow women to play sports, serve on ships and in combat, and basically do any job a man had traditionally held.
Trans men are especially threatening to women’s sports. We all know about Lia Thomas and her/his swimming wins.
Riley Gaines, a champion women’s swimmer is fighting a good fight against this trend. She takes on m the arrogant Megan Rapinoe for endorsing trans men in women’s sports.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/riley-gaines-calls-out-megan-rapinoe-for-virtue-signaling-on-transgender-athletes-it-s-actually-exclusive/ar-AA1dJf4wto keep trans men out b of women’s sports.
An excerpt:
“And now she is undermining her fight entirely, and notice how earlier this week she announced her retirement. So, she’s done playing,” she continued. “This is a classic case of virtue signaling. She wants to be seen as kind. She wants to be seen as inclusive, but it is not inclusive what she’s fighting for. It’s actually exclusive. It’s exclusive to the very female athletes who the women’s sporting category was created to protect. And it’s not kind to ask a girl to undress in front of a man in a locker room that is the exact opposite of kind.”
Trans men in women’s beauty contests are just another inroad against women and the feminist cause. Do the beauty contestants have to undress in front of trans men? Was Miss Netherlands an affirmative action selection? (We must be kind to trans gender people?)
It’s all much ado about a very small part of the population. I’m thoroughly sick of the trans gender issue being shoved down our throats. But the rime to fight it is now. Once it become normalized, they will move on to normalizing other taboos/perversions.
JJ:
I understand your frustration.
I think normie Americans have got this.
The fashion model body type used to be different from the beauty contest body type. It was the latter type – the pinup girl or beauty contest type – that conformed more to what men like. — neo
I few years ago I watched the documentary “Bettie Page Reveals All.” At least, I think it was that one, as there are several. A rather fascinating look at pinup model Bettie Page’s life. I was almost completely unaware of her sizeable impact. Purportedly, Jennifer Connelly’s character in the movie “The Rocketeer” was heavily based on Page.
At one point in her life, Bettie actually tried to gain employment at the Ford modeling agency in NYC. Yup, rejected because she was too hippy.
Bettie on the beach.
https://us.thefoudre.com/pix2/bettie2.jpg
Also interesting, is that she was still in strong demand from photographers when one day she was looking at the recent shots and decided that she was looking a trifle old, and walked away and never looked back.
Honestly, I don’t have a problem with this. Standards of beauty are relative and continuously evolving. This is not akin to athletic competitions where men have a biological advantage. If a beauty pagent wants to crown a trans “woman’ its queen, fine, let the freak show happen. I’m not going to cheer for it, but I’m not going to get outraged either.
Purportedly, Jennifer Connelly’s character in the movie “The Rocketeer” was heavily based on Page.
TommyJay:
You got that right! I’ve got the graphic novel with Dave Stevens’ introduction.
If anyone wants an Indiana Jones movie for the summer, “Indy 5” ain’t it. Revisit “The Rocketeer” (1991), a totally overlooked film about an old-school American hero.
Bettie Page was very very odd, but in that way a classic Californian.
After she left the bondage/pinup business, she became a born-again Christian, even worked for the Billy Graham organization and wanted to become a missionary to Africa. She was later diagnosed schizophrenic.
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When I gave my life to the Lord, I began to think he disapproved of all those nude pictures of me.
–Bettie Page (1998)
The slender modern type was fashion in the 1920s as a reaction to the padded Victorian fashion with its bustles and hoopskirts. Sporty girls had thrown off the padding and stays and layers even before that. Surviving Victorians did view the style as “boyish,” and some even speculated that there was something homosexual about the young men who were attracted to modern young women with their short hair, narrow hips, and flat chests.
Now, after years of post-WWII anti-fat feeling, that style seems almost natural. Old timers might have seen Marilyn Monroe as thinner than their ideal of womanhood. Today, the perception seems to be that she’s a little too substantial and shapely. In the last quarter of the 20th century, there was a tendency for men and women to move closer together in appearance and behavior, something that makes the current trans phenomenon with its rigid ideas of male and female hard to understand. Or maybe it was a trend against corporality, with men and women competing with each other in making themselves hairless in various areas.
Aesthetics and erotics often aren’t in alignment, though, and it can be difficult to sort out what is aesthetic and what is physiological. Were the young people of the early 20th century reacting against a too carnal and corporeal notion of womanhood in favor of a less fleshy and less fleshly one? Or was the Victorian ideal itself a spiritualization and aestheticization of feminity? Perhaps the young anti-Victorian men did find their preference highly erotic, whether because of sublimated homosexuality or because their preferred type of woman had to be different from that of their elders.
Bettie Page was also a bit famous for acting, or enacting, or aping for the camera.
Such as this,
https://us.thefoudre.com/pix2/bettiepage06.jpg
I remember Twiggy, Mia Farrow and Patti Smith.
The fashion model body is primarily to make clothes look good, it’s not to make women look good.
huxley @ 5:44pm,
You probably already know, Steely Dan got the bass line for “Rikki Don’t Lose that Number” from Horace Silver’s, “Song for my Father.”
I like both songs a lot; Steely Dan just may be my favorite rock band, but I have to give the nod to Silver. I hope his father was alive when he wrote the song, because such a beautiful song is a great tribute from a son.
Sgt. Joe Friday @ 6:08pm,
I went to a sex museum* in Amsterdam** (quite the coincidence, given the post subject) and it seemed like nearly the instant photography was invented people began taking nude photos, including pornographic photos. It is as you wrote.
*I think it was called, “Sex Museum,” or “Museum of Sex” or something equally imaginative. It actually was an authentic museum.
**Not anything I wanted to do but I was traveling with two others and was outvoted.
Re: Horace Silver’s, “Song for my Father.”
Rufus T. Firefly:
No, I did not know that. Thanks for the tip. It’s glorious.
–Horace Silver, “Song for My Father” (1964)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWeXOm49kE0
The Steely Dans knew their jazz.
Point final.
I like the Babylon Bee, but I think they went a little over the line by implying over and over again that Rikkie is horse-faced (without actually saying that Rikkie is horse-faced). It was a case of getting the joke and not wanting to have it go on and on.
I do see a little Tim Curry in Rikkie’s features. Frank N. Furter, what hath thou wrought?
Rikkie is horse-faced (without actually saying that Rikkie is horse-faced)…
Abraxas:
I won’t call Rikkie “horse-faced” exactly, but how many men wouldn’t notice Something Doesn’t Gel here?
No disrespect intended.
Twiggy geebed the hell out of me when I first saw her.
That guy doesn’t even look like a woman.
Tom Wolfe, in one of his later books (I forget which), referred to this body type as “boys with breasts.” But he was talking about women who seemed to be aspiring to that via body-building, not trannies.
No recall on where I read it but some survey noted men’s first preference is size C.
}}} a tall, very thin although somewhat wiry person with broad shoulders and fairly straight hips for a woman, and breasts that are relatively large relative to that person’s extreme thinness and slender hips.
Playboy magazine featured Bo Derek on the cover when 10 was big and the article inside was called “The Gentleman Prefers Blonds”, the gentleman in question being John Derek. There were nude photos of his three wives–Ursula Andress, Linda Evans, and Bo Derek–and they all had that exact same build. Check out the famous picture of Andress emerging from the ocean in Dr. No. Looks just like Bo–broad shoulders, narrow hips.
People trying to change their sex is nauseating!
That ” Miss Netherlands ” is kind of creepy.
Incidentally if this bothers us, that ship already sailed back in 2012, when one Donald J. Trump allowed a biological male to compete in Miss Universe.
Miss Netherlands had better keep a close eye on her suitcase if she ever travels to the United States– that bright red gown is just Sam Brinton’s style. And Miss N. is probably his size or close to it.
Could it be a message to the Dutch Farmers’ Party (BoerBurgerBeweging, i.e., BBB—rather ironically) and its supporters.
The message? “Yeah, you trogs managed to win a few seats; but it’s TOO EARLY TO PARTY…”
Just another data point proving that men are better than women at everything, including being women.
Who’s ideal is the actual ideal? From the Twenties, we have pretty much only endless ads and publicity pix, not so many of the latter. So that’s somebody’s idea of what it takes to sell something to somebody.
This doesn’t tell us what caught the eye of a twenty-two year old guy.
Hefner made millions selling an exaggerated version of what an awful lot of guys wanted. His “girl-next-door” schtick jazzed it up, presumably leading some guys to think all they had to do was look around them.
Actresses and singers in the Thirties and Forties had rectangular foreheads; right angles over the temple. You could look it up. Do we think a high school guy passed up good looking women because they didn’t have the square head? Or did all girls torture their hair to get the same look?
Point is, what we have from then is not necessarily what was the ideal for most people.
The models, and if you’re skipping around the internet, one blog to the next, you’re going to see a lot of them, generally have long, narrow bones (as has been pointed out) to an extent that their hands and feet are also quite long, ranging up to ….WUT? The latter probably goes with the former although not desired. Can’t get away from this body type, but you’re not likely to see it on the Homecoming Court.
The Victorian upper class woman ideal was supposedly soft and doughy because she was useless. That is, she didn’t even open a door in her home for fear her hand might end up looking as if it did stuff and she couldn’t afford–or her husband or family–couldn’t afford to have it done for her.
Younger Churchill, an Edwardian, described his mother at a gathering after a fox hunt as having her outfit fit like a glove, spotted with mud, the model of courage. Different era.
Went to an equestrian event yesterday for girls roughly ten to sixteen. Hot day. Of the scores of mothers, aunts, sisters, grandmothers, women friends, dressed for the weather in shorts and sleeveless tops or other casual hot-weather outfits…not one was overweight. I don’t speak BMI wise. Some people are born to have sturdier calves than others, good shoulders, have spent adolescence in volleyball or basketball.
The heavier limbs were not flabby.
This is not a cheap sport, so I guess we can cut that out as a subculture and its “ideal”. Whatever else you are, don’t be fat.
My daughter, six feet tall, is much lovelier than this pretended female. She is very long and slim. When she was about twenty she was approached by a modeling agency, but they told her she’d have to lose weight. At that time, she was so slim we were worried about her health. She declined, showing good judgment.
On a 1 to 10 scale Rikki is a 5 and Nathalie is a 9.
And like most of the guys here I prefer curvy women too. It’s a visceral reaction.
All of these comments that the actual women contestants are more beautiful than the (winning) approximation of a woman, and not a single comment regarding the fact that the winner was chosen by a panel of judges. What motivations influenced the judges, one wonders? This is the same country that wants to use government to force farmers out of their business of growing food, seize their lands, eradicate their heritage, and create the new utopia. The Netherlands is getting what they voted for, Good and Hard. And now, that government has just collapsed and elections are on the way. I would be betting the next winner of this contest is female.
PG Woodhouse had a few memes (caricatures?) for Bertie; the hearty girl, the hockey knocker, and the antithesis, Madeline Bassett.
Richard Aubrey:
I don’t think the Victorian female ideal was “soft and doughy.” No one looks soft and doughy when in a corset. And Churchill was born in 1874, whereas Victoria died in 1901. He was raised in the Victorian age and whatever childhood memories he had of his mother were from that time.
That is one ugly dude.
They whiffed. The most beautiful Dutch woman at the moment is Eva Vlaardingerbroek.
Anything a woman can do, a man can do better
It was baked in the Woke cake, the outcome was pre-determined is my guess
To be honest I kinda feel sorry for them (either their desire to win or make a social point, it doesn’t matter) they know what they did and why and they certainly know they’ll be discarded by the powers that be when their usefulness is over.
Oh I’ll just say it for whatever reason they cheated and they know everyone knows it. Cheaters never prosper, never.
Neo,
Jenny Churchill was American and probably didn’t get as Victorianized as the Brit uppers, excesses of Newport society notwithstanding.
Churchill wrote this as of a time he, too, was riding so it would be later in his childhood if not early adulthood. So as the Victoria thing was ending. In addition, if it had been common, he might not have wanted to admire it and write for others to admire.
One can be thin and flabby and if that’s a fashion, by golly, some are going to, and, corsets or not, one can look it if that’s the desired effect. As with other things but frequently with fashion, if some is good, more is better until….
Should say I have read of the “doughy” or “useless” in works having to do with other things entirely, so they’d have been observations by the author, in passing, possibly for color, and not his subject.
Richard Aubrey:
The Victorian Era was a cultural thing and hardly limited to the UK. In fact, the US partook of the mores of the Victorian Era as well, and Jennie was raised in that time. This was especially true among the wealthy, and Jennie’s family was wealthy. On the other hand, most people are not really aware that the stereotypes of the Victorian Age were not quite as repressive as popularly thought. And Jennie Jerome and many other people among the “elites” lived a much bolder life than those stereotypes would indicate.
Jennie moved to the UK in 1874, just about smack in the middle of the Victorian Age. She was born in 1854, so she was only about 20 when she moved to Britain. She married a Lord and was very much a part of the society there. The Victorian Age was definitely not ending when Winston was born in 1874 (less than 9 months after his parents were wed) and he was raised in that milieu. What’s more, he started riding horses as a young child – as did most wealthy people in that society:
When Churchill was a child, he adored his mother, but mostly from afar:
Here are Churchill’s own words in that memoir which he wrote in 1930:
And I believe that this is the passage to which you refer. Churchill is describing something when he was very young, and still with his nursemaid Mrs. Everest:
The perspective of a young child with a beautiful, charismatic, but distant mother, and definitely during the Victorian Era.
2 + 2 = 5
Accept it.
Neo
Thanks for relating my Churchill memory.
I note his description of the Victorian era was without reference to the exaggerated sexual repression–or fakery thereof–associated with the term. Did furniture really have….LEGS? Shocking.
Churchill’s definition would last likely until 1914.
A friend who’d read The Last Lion said that the repression was for the middle classes, particularly the mid and upper sections. The Upper classes lived pretty large.
So for the uppers, it was never the “victorian” age wrt the whole sexual repression and whatever it might be called whose stereotype has come down to us.