Hanson on Carlson
Interesting take:
Two other points. The first is that, for what it’s worth (considering the source), the NY Times says that the real reason Carlson was fired was a text he sent that in part consisted of this:
A couple of weeks ago, I was watching video of people fighting on the street in Washington. A group of Trump guys surrounded an Antifa kid and started pounding the living shit out of him. It was three against one, at least. Jumping a guy like that is dishonorable obviously. It’s not how white men fight.
Megyn Kelly has had a lot to say about Carlson’s firing. One of those things is that, technically speaking, he wasn’t actually fired:
Kelly explained that her information about his “parting of the ways” with Fox was that he wasn’t officially “fired” — that he was still under contract with Fox. She said the head of the network told him that Monday morning that his show wasn’t going to be aired anymore but they never told him why. They even kicked him out of his company email which was pretty slimy. Kelly said they needed to work out with him getting out of his contract. But that they thought it would be an “amicable parting.”…
The current problem for Carlson, Kelly explained, is that he’s still technically under contract so he can’t sign any other deals until he gets out of the contract.
Some are concerned that this may be an effort to silence him right before the election…But Kelly noted Carlson has a great attorney and they’re working out the contract issues now.
Here’s one of the offers Carlson is apparently entertaining:
.@patrickbetdavid just broke this news on the @MegynKellyShow and it’s real: $100m offer over 5 years plus plus plus… He deserves it! https://t.co/2xMil72Ol9
— Megyn Kelly (@megynkelly) May 2, 2023
Ace has a little more here on this alledged text message among other things.
The full text is a bit more enlightening
If anything, the full text puts him in a far more reasonable and empathetic light.
Nonapod:
The full text was also at the link I provided.
The problem for Fox wasn’t the full text. It was the statement about how “white men” fight or don’t fight. The inference they drew was that he was saying that non-white men fight dirty.
The way RedState sums up and reacts to this article from the Times is a good example of what I mean when I say the Left, through the media, controls the narrative of what the Right talks about, and all the Right does is tweak it a little.
The release of the text message is intended to damage Carlson’s value with other media and the public, and also for leverage on negotiating his exit, to make him wonder what else they can release that will damage him.
By repeating the narrative and commenting on it, RedState is helping Fox and the Times achieve their purpose. Of course they tweak it a little, with “if the Times is to be believed” and “Carlson’s text doesn’t spew hate, and doesn’t denigrate any racial group”, along with a plea for money to support “independent journalism”.
As for the Times narrative, notice the Times weasel wording: “The discovery of the text message contributed to a chain of events that ultimately led to Tucker Carlson’s firing.” This is factually true of literally every past event in Tucker Carlson’s life.
They never say this is the text that got him fired, or this text was part of what got him fired.
We’re supposed to believe, from the Times, that Fox was so worried about this text message becoming public… that people who work for Fox made it public.
Notice too that it was illegal to divulge this information to the Times:
The text is part of redacted court filings and its contents were previously unreported. The contents of the text were disclosed in interviews with several people close to the defamation lawsuit against Fox. The people spoke on the condition of anonymity because they did not want to be identified discussing a message that is protected by a court order. In public filings, it remains hidden behind a block of black text.
And there’s this hilarious bit:
It remains unclear how the text escaped more notice earlier, given that the Fox legal team was aware of it and other offensive texts written by Mr. Carlson. Fox’s lawyers had produced the text as part of the discovery process and were involved in the redactions. Mr. Carlson had even been asked about it during a deposition, according to several people who have read the unredacted transcripts of his deposition.
Yeah, we’ll never be able to figure out how it failed to get into the hands of the Times when Fox DIDN’T want it to be public, but now that they’re trying to get rid of Carlson without having to pay him more it mysteriously does! Well that’s just IMPOSSIBLE to figure out… the Times couldn’t of course have asked the people at Fox who leaked it why they didn’t leak it before lol.
‘How one fights’ … There seem to always be ‘rules of engagement’ for the side that ultimately loses. The winner’s ROE = Win!
The full text does indeed prove Tucker to be fundamentally a decent and moral person. Megyn has suggested that Fox (run by the ghastly Murdochs, with the ghastly S Scott as CEO, and the ghastly Paul Ryan on the board) would love to have him sidelined until after next year’s election, while others are arguing that Tucker’s critical stance towards Big Pharma/COVID and towards our misguided policy in Ukraine angered some of the worst elements in Fox’s organization, while still others point towards the seemingly spurious allegations made by disgruntled former employee Abby Grossberg. It is fascinating that the attacks on Tucker from the left consist almost entirely of idiotic and irrational ad hominem non-arguments. It is also sadly true that, in recent years, almost all feral and mob-inspired violence has derived from black perpetrators.
Unless the Times is in Murdoch’s confidence, the Times doesn’t know if this is why Carlson was silenced, and nor does anyone else outside Fox upper management, at this point.
The digital media offer is essentially at Carlson’s current rate, $20 million per year, plus some attractive possibilities to shape what the outlet offers. Until he’s clear of Fox, he can’t take it, so this is speculation also.
as taranto has put it, the times writers rarely read their own copy, you can tell by the byline their level of cluelessness or mendacity,
Some pointless silliness. A friend sent me this when I told her I was trying to learn a little cha-cha dancing.
Tucker Carlson on Dancing With The Stars
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRTYvygTArs&t=216s
I wonder if the text we read is really what he wrote. It seems gratuitous. I would have no idea how to edit something like that, but some people surely do.
maybe it was chat gpt, it sounds reasonably like him, except for the white people part
We’ve had integrated public schools for over 50 years. One of the reasons that the racist smear no longer has any purchase is that students experienced that different racial groups get suspended at different rates because they actually behave differently.
Talk to a youngster of another race who has just seen two black girls fight in school for the first time. They are often scarred by seeing it. It’s different. Very, very different. Vicious.
We’ve all seen videos. Remember the trucker being pulled from his truck in LA and having his head bashed in by a brick? Remember the unconscious guy on the ground in Dallas a few summers ago having his face viciously kicked in simply for the fun of it by a looter? The reality is that violence is not equally distributed over all racial groups. And we, as a society, desperately need to address it. That starts by simply acknowledging reality.
I’m not being racist here. Blacks are fully capable of being outstanding citizens and students. My physics lab partner in college was the only black student in the class. We were partners because we were friends and sat next to each other the first class. He did okay. He’s became a nuclear physics prof at Duke and ran the nuke lab in the research triangle. My mock trial partner in law school was the only black woman in the class. We became partners because we were friends from college and drove to Nashville together to start law school. I’ve gotten multiple death threats for my writings defending integration over 50 years ago. Any claim that I’m racist is ridiculous BS.
We have to be able to speak truth at some point or we will never be able to improve society. It is possible to be cognizant of the vastly different cultures and the behavioral differences without being in the least bit racist. In fact, it is necessary.
I disbelieve anything the NYTimes aka neoPravda reports. I have refused to touch an issue for 40 years after growing up reading every Sunday page, and do not understand why Neo wastes her time reading it today.
So… Carlson “texted” this. Really? To whom? And why? And how does the NYT intercept the text? About watching a video? Really? Are we to infer that Carlson really has an IQ of only 90?
This is a lot of poogie water. The NYT is trying to gin up attention to shore up its descent into oblivion.
I see how leftists work. They lie, omit info, even to their mothers. My older son who lives in MA reads the Globe, owned by the NYT Corp, and is filled, as best I can tell, with the same horse sh*t. It has bent his mind. He cannot understand human biology such as when life begins…”Uhh, when you can hear a fetal heartbeat” he tells his MD dad. He has no answer to my response, “What about the day before you can hear a fetal heartbeat?”
People mourn the absence of Obama, just as Russians did the absence of Stalin. So the MA vote for Biden was 78%!!!
one assumes his producer, miss grossberg, although I tend to doubt it,
yes the boston globe is hot garbage but so are my local tribune and gannett fishwraps
buckley jibed the times helped fidel get his job (herbert matthews, who was nostalgic over the spanish civil war) its arguable that halberstam with his category error, helped trigger the vietnam intervention, (mary mcgrory no rightist, discovered he had most of the particulars wrong,) shall we repeat harrison salisbury or anthony lewis’s misdeeds, (thats old spilled milk)
Cicero:
First of all, if I did read the NY Times, it would not be time wasted because we need to monitor the story being peddled by the left.
But what makes you think I read the Times? It is very rare that I do so, and in this case I linked to Red State, which discussed the Times article. So your assumption is incorrect.
one gets it by osmosis,
the other dubious part is the put the hurt on the proud boys, immediately after this delta house exercise, they had defended themselves much earlier, so I doubt the whole narrative the carlos slims gazette has put forward
the morning they reallocated tucker, in the lower end of the business section, they had a byline arguing why havent they surrendered to our every lie,
What was it yesterday, some tripe from Media Matters that was just as lame as this? And now today, with today’s installment of Tucker Bad !. I smell David Brock somewhere amongst the Progressive Bottom Feeders, scraping these things up and working to present them in the worst possible light.
I would doubt that Fox can ‘silence’ Carlson by tying him up for the next 2 years with no show.
Fox is wasting their time trying to, essentially, enforce some sort of non-compete stricture on TC. Of course, their lawyers are all for it, at $$$/hr billing.
Because I can’t figure out what the hell Fox was thinking of… My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives.
@buddhaha: My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives.
Ditto!
Strange comment by Tucker, but the point of the text was that he came to feel sympathy for the Antifa kid. The text wasn’t the reason he was fired, though it does provide a nice pretext for Fox now.
Valutainment may not be around in five years. Get the money up front, Tucker
I remain divided on Tucker and this does little to change it. I could already kind of see where this was going from the first paragraph. Not just why he was supposedly canned, but also the nature of the text, the arcs and Jews it would take, and where Tucker would end up. I agree that it makes him look both good and bad, but does confirm him as a decent and moral person on the whole, for whatever his other flaws such as the needless racial tint to it and his other issues.
But to be honest while I could empathize with him from the first paragraph, I also disagreed with him from there. The racial aspect alone is grounds enough. But it is on a more fundamental level.
Firstly: I am about as white as you get, likewise my family. And we likely have even less Amerindian ancestry in us than most American Whites because at least half our family moved to the continent later.
Secondly: I am not a physical combatant by habit, certainly since I quit reenactment, but I have tried to maintain some of the basics of self-defense and combat.
Thirdly: one of my grandparents – the greatest man I personally knew, God Bless him and keep him in his loving arms now – was my maternal grandfather, who served as a US Army Ranger that fought in the Pacific during WWII and among other things helped in the Great Raid of Cabanatuan. Like many people with those experiences he was quite laconic in what he told me about his time, but that included the need to register his hands as lethal weapons with the local police. Even when he was a barrel chested old man with some heart problems.
And I suffice that he would be as good an expert as any on “how white men fight.” And I can only imagine how he would have shook his head at Tucker, sort of like how I did. How in the Pacific he used almost every trick and stratagem in the book to fight as dirty as possible against one of the most ruthless forces in human history. I imagine the only thing he would have objected to about beating a Japanese soldier or seaman 3-1 on was that it would take to much time when a neck snap or knife would do just as well. That to feel otherwise is absurd and even racist. That there is little to prove by playing by Marquis of Queensbury rules in a battle that acknowledges no such bounds. There is no justice to oneself or one’s kin in it.
And I felt similarly towards the AntifA goon. When reading I was glad they surrounded him and beat the ever loving tar out of him because he has declared himself an enemy, and likely a domestic terrorist.
Is what Tucker said true? Of course. But I know for a fact that many Japanese soldiers and officers – even those guilty of the worst atrocities – had those they loved and those who loved them. And I know that they had plenty in their ranks who were the naive, the duped, the coerced, or the honorable and moral trying to do their duty. But combat and politics reduces human beings to politics and we have to act accordingly.
In many ways an Antifascist Action goon has even less excuse because the Japanese Empire (like most nations) used conscription and so it didn’t matter what you felt, you almost certainly went into the uniform to serve the country, not necessarily which democratic cabinet or (in the case of WWII) insane nationalist totalitarian state socialist junta held power. The AntifA twerp did otherwise, as a voluntary member of a political paramilitary with Stalinist roots that they should have known about.
So I honestly feel very little. Of course I didn’t see the video yet and so I imagine that would change things to some degree due to the visceral nature of watching. And maybe the guy was clearly in the right or at least inoffensive and the Trump people beat him down without reason. But the situation has degenerated to such a degree that I really cannot give AntifA members much benefit of the doubt without reason, and honestly do not care much about that fact.
And part of me wonders: does that make me a bad person? Someone who is not good, moral, or empathetic?
But honestly, I feel it is moot. To carry the standard and banner of AntifA is not like being a run of the mill leftist voter, even an incredibly toxic and woke one. It is to identify with an evil tradition (whether one knows it or not) and most likely to support the violent destruction of the Constitution and human freedom as we know it, as the hardly-very-right-wing German federal investigators noted before that snippet on “Anti-Fascism” was mysteriously memory holed. There comes a time when hand wringing behind a desk gets in the way of not just survival but also real compassion and empathy, and the dominant feeling I am left with is that I much prefer that it was an AntifA member who was dogpiled and beaten than a “Trump supporter.” That that person’s loved ones and personal virtues matter little, in much the same way I know Baron Takeichi Nishi was by virtually all accounts an upstanding, good man and a paragon of honor in a culture and time that obsessed over it openly but demonstrated almost none, but that I am on some level glad he died on Iwo and would have traded his life for essentially any other American or Allied soldier that might have died but did not.
And that is nonwithstanding the question of if any of this is authentic. I can kind of believe it is but The NY Times does not deserve trust beyond what can be proven, and I do not care enough about this right now to do research on it.
Judge me as you will.
@Turtler: that included the need to register his hands as lethal weapons with the local police.
In what jurisdiction is this true? I’ve so far been unable to find one. I first heard it from an acquaintance who was a jackass, and NOT my beloved grandfather, hence had much more reason for skepticism than you had. 🙂
@Frederick
I do not know. I tried looking it up after the fact (my Grandfather alternated between Ohio and the Carolinas during his golden years) but with no luck, so I imagine it might have been some colorful exaggeration or a since lapsed law, which I should have made clearer in my older post.
The Globetrotters have to register as lethal to serious discussion.
For liability reasons, most businesses do not reveal causes of termination. This leaves the door open to gossip, but as long as that doesn’t come from the business, they cannot be blamed for it.
On the other hand, oppo gossip is postmodernist journalism’s raison d’être, and Tucker will continue to be their primary target for the foreseeable future. I am reminded of what he said about the MSM response to his release of J6 videos. Did any of them request that he share the footage with them? No, but he did get a few inquiries, all of which he boiled down to this type of question: “Is it true that you suck?”
The MSM are a primitive and odd species, which makes Tucker stand out all the more.
Although Tucker hasn’t denied the veracity of the text, there should be independent confirmation of its accuracy. NYT isn’t good enough. Assuming it is accurate, I think Fox is sending a shot across Tucker’s bow. They have other texts (protected by a court order) that might “accidentally” become public. Fox will say it’s a shame and vow to get to the bottom of it and all.
they pretended to care remember that, then they dropped it down the same memory hole they put the nashville six martyrs, we are supposed to be more noble than these marxist scum, but nobilitity or honor gains you no points,
the lesson is only these terrorists can show their face with impunity, while they mutilate childrens bodies and twist their minds, while they turn our former great cities into third world hellholes, that is the goal of their project, to gut this country
and burn it to the ground,
the Times is the enemy of civilization, broadly speaking, from their confederate roots to the coverup of the holomodor and the holocaust, occasionally they have one shining light like sydney shamberg, in the killing fields, but thats a gold nugget in a river bed of pyrite, the formerly graham post, is probably worse under bezos stewardship if that were possible,
Meh. FNC is leaking to muddy him up to reduce his value in the marketplace and to irritate him into making a mistake.
Here is another way to look at it: Tucker has the richest “genius grant” in history. Until the end of 2024, he gets paid as long as he holds himself ready to perform the duties he contracted to do. He doesn’t have to seek mitigation because he was pulled off the air. He can sit in his garden, spend time with his family, write a book or two, and come roaring back in 2025.
Or, with the collapse of FNC’s primetime audience, other possibilities open up. If I owned FNC, I’d see if the audience returned, and I wouldn’t wait too long. If it didn’t return, I’d bring Tucker back and fire the executive team, saying that they totally mismanaged the situation. Imagine the fanfare! Tucker Carlson saves FNC! Bungling executive team lied to Rupert Murdoch and almost killed America’s premier cable news network! Tucker Carlson gets a pay raise and says he never had to change anything!
There are lots of possibilities here.
Sleeping Giants, an activist group that got many advertisers to drop Carlson’s show, is taking credit for his ouster. It’s nonsense, but it’s undeniable that they did get advertisers to drop the show.
The left no longer believes in free speech. I didn’t always agree with Carlson, but I appreciate having a diversity of voices on the air. Disagree with him if you like, ridicule him if you like (and undoubtedly he gave people things to ridicule him for), but we’re poorer for not having him on the air.
One might compare this to Barack Obama’s “typical white person” comment. Carlson was describing a gut reaction, an atavistic reaction. His final judgment was something different. I’m not sure if it was as clear-cut in Obama’s case, but it’s likely that his feeling for his grandmother who largely raised him went deeper than condemnation for her as a “typical white person.”
We get a lot of baggage from our environment and past generations that we have to overcome. The Times thinks it’s taking off the mask of Tucker’s deepest feelings, but it may just be showing us what he’s been able to overcome.
“Merely” the dishonest hit made on Trump in Charlottesville, revisited…not to mention Trump being Putin’s “poodle” and other charming allegations of Russiagate.
(It’s the Democratic Party’s MO.)
Many believe—feverishly, perfervidly—and recycle, the lies to this day.
File under: Character Assassination ‘R Us.
It is also sadly true that, in recent years, almost all feral and mob-inspired violence has derived from black perpetrators.
I would add that it has been encouraged, organised and allowed by white liberals. Especially white, upper middle class women. Virtue signalling is not compassion.
Tucker will be back. The media is trying to shut down Robert Kennedy Jr. too, but he is becoming more popular. Get the popcorn, it is going to be an interesting election.
Antifa ain’t black folks, just sayin’.
My sense is that Carlson was relieved of duty because even though TCT was a top rated show it has suffered advertiser boycotts for a couple of years now. It may have been Carlson’s comment that the alien invasion at the southern border would result in a less safe, dirtier USA. Then his skepticism about BLM and the Ukraine war just added to outcry for the boycott. The highest rated show may not have been earning it’s keep. And then Blackrock bought enough Fox shares to influence the board of directors…so he’s gone.
For now. I’m sure he’ll be back in another capacity. He apparently doesn’t need the money so he works because he likes it or sees it as some sort of duty.
I’m now boycotting Fox News. I’ve had enough of the My Pillow ads anyway!
“It’s not how white men fight” might have been better phrased “not how civilized men fight”, but this was true when men fought for honor– that phase of civilization has ended. Civilization is ending.
Since everyone in this supposed fight were likely white, he’s describing the old order when you didn’t hit a man when he was down, you didn’t kidney punch, you didn’t sucker punch, you didn’t hit someone from behind– all those elements of traditional fighting.
Speaking of how non-whites fight though, my adopted non-white son, from Liberia, can speak of how non-whites fight. He was at a party and it is claimed he hit on another Liberian’s girlfriend. In retaliation for that six Liberians followed him from the party and proceeded to beat him near death with baseball bats. He was in a coma for nearly three weeks. That’s how Liberians fight.
But this could just as easily been whites, browns, blacks or any combination of thugs. All Tucker’s reference to “white men” just shows how quaint his upbringing was when it comes to street fights.
It’s my understanding that Tucker was axed for his speech at the Heritage Foundation where he called out the left as evil. Tucker pointed out that he was Episcopalian, the least religious religious sect left, so there would not be confusion as to what his definition of evil was based on.
I’ll say what Tucker was trying to not say. The left is evil. That evil is from their “father the devil…the father of lies”.
Brian E.
I am so sorry for your son. It must have also been awful for you to see him suffer. I hope he has recovered.
RTF, thank you. We actually didn’t find out about the attack until he recovered consciousness, about three weeks after the attack, as he was in Fargo at the time.
The other Liberians he was living with didn’t know how to get ahold of us. Since he didn’t take our last name when he was adopted, there was no connection.
This happened in 2018. The psychological trauma he suffered, in addition to the physical injuries had an effect. He was raised in an orphanage during the Liberian Civil War. We were told that both of his parents were killed in the fighting. We’ve just recently learned that his mother is still alive (his dad was killed).
The civil war was as brutal as anything you could imagine– and even then you probably can’t imagine the brutality. You may have heard of the SBU (small boy units), kids given promises of being taken care of in exchange for fighting for the rebels. Nothing like an eight year old with an AK-47.