Neo commented yesterday on a John Hinderaker post (https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2023/04/speaking-of-derek-chauvin.php) about Minneapolis paying nearly nine million dollars for lawsuits related to Officer Chauvin. Chauvin had restrained each of the two lawsuit winners according to regulations with his knee to the back of the neck.
Hinderaker quoted the current chief of police in nearby Minneapolis:
“This is an example of the cancer that has infected this department. Today is not a day for excuses or attempts at justification. The notion that we are dealing with the bad actions of one employee is false. We are dealing with the ugly consequences stemming from a systemic failure within the Minneapolis Police Department that has allowed for and at times encourage unjust and brutal policing.”
So, we can look forward to more such lawsuits. Says the Chief, ‘bring it on! We’ve got millions more!!’
“Daniel Patrick Moynihan quoted the French author Georges Bernanos, “The worst, the most corrupting lies are problems poorly stated.”
Snow on Pine says, “According to a YouTube clip, some wag has slapped some ‘rectal use only’ stickers on cases of Bud light at a Publix in Georgia.”
Bud Light (or any beer) can also be used to kill garden slugs: Here’s Bob Vila on the subject: Crack Open a Cold One
Slugs like beer as much as they like the leafy greens of your garden plants. Crack open a beer and pour it into a few margarine tubs, then distribute the containers in various places around the yard, burying them so that about an inch remains above ground. The slugs will be attracted to the scent, crawl into the tubs, and drown overnight. Dispose of the containers the next morning in your trash or compost bin.
Some enterprising citizen can find ways to label cases of Bud Light as “Slug Killer” or “Gardener’s Friend,” and help their local beer distributor get rid of the stuff.
The boycott against Bud light and Anheuser-Busch
I’m curious to know what they’re switching to that isn’t at least as busy subsidizing the Woke as Bud Light is. Between ABInbev, Diageo, and Molson Coors that covers most the beer brands you have ever heard of.
Molson Coors Beverage Company’s “Tap Into Change” Program Raises $100,000 for LGBTQ+ Focused Organizations · Program Celebrates 10th Year in Chicago and Has Now Raised More Than $700,000 Nationally Since Its Inception…
We wrapped up the month with a virtual Drag Queen Bingo hosted by none other than Alyssa Edwards, the breakout superstar of RuPaul’s Drag Race. The event was kicked off with a cocktail making class to create a delicious Pride Cocktail from Smirnoff.
At Diageo, the conversation continues beyond the month of June and we will keep on celebrating the LGBTQIA+ community every day, everywhere….
Unless you want to grow all your food and make all your own stuff, you can’t boycott the funders of Woke. The corporations you depend on for your lifestyle are stupid huge and cover a ridiculous number of brands.
“Boycotting” BudLight is for the Right what sorting their trash is for the Left: it’s a pointless activity that’s simple and makes people think they’re “helping” but without involving any kind of meaningful lifestyle sacrifice.
PA+CAT—When I lived in Pennsylvania I used a very cheap local beer called Blatz to kill slugs, which I figured was it’s “highest and best use.”
@Snow on Pine: I used a very cheap local beer called Blatz
Still around, produced by Molson Coors:
Coors Light has been a sponsor of the Center on Colfax and the Pride Parade and Denver PrideFest for nearly two decades,” said Molson Coors spokesperson Michael Nordman. “Our Pride runs mile high so we are excited to support the Center’s vital programs and services that positively impact the LGBTQ community.”
Thanks to support from companies such as Molson Coors, Denver PrideFest has become the largest celebration of LGBTQ pride in the Rocky Mountain region. Though its format will be different because of the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic, this year’s Coors Light Denver Virtual Pride Parade will be a compilation of fun-filled virtual parade “units” submitted by community businesses and organizations that will be livestreamed as a “parade” with live commentary.
A question for the gang here, are we all just old people yelling at clouds, or are we serious about not wanting to fund the people trying to destroy us?
This link rates brands and corporations on various axes, including LGBTQ issues. Look up the brands you like and see how highly they are praised here for their support of LBGTQ, and if you’re not an old man/woman yelling at clouds, see how much you have to give up if you don’t want to fund this.
I completely disagree on the effectiveness of not drinking Bud Light. Yes, lots and lots of companies have done all manner of Woke stupidities and that includes beer. But most people didn’t know. The companies didn’t rub people’s faces in it. People know about what Busch did. And they clearly don’t like it.
Those beer companies are now closely paying attention to the Bud Light example. And I suspect they will be far less willing to do Woke in the future and far, far more likely to hide it should they choose to.
That’s a win for the good guys. Keep winning. Don’t drink Bud Light.
As I discovered, Anheuser-Busch owns a lot of different brands of beer, including Stella-Artois, Kona, Estrella Jalisco, Michelobe, Busch, Natural light, Landshark, Hoengaarden, Presidente, and Shocktop , with “partnerships” with a whole lot—19 to be exact— of other craft beers, including Red Hook and Devils Backbone.
Thus a lot of beers you might think of switching to are actually still benefiting A-B.
What to do though?
Just say “never mind” and go about your business, or, try to punish A-B.
Quixotic as it might be, I say switch.
@Snow on Pine:Just say “never mind” and go about your business, or, try to punish A-B.
Quixotic as it might be, I say switch.
Does more harm than good to sort your trash when it all goes to landfill, it does more harm than good to switch to electric cars if you create more pollution and carbon emissions by so doing, and it does more harm than good to punish ABInbev by giving your money to people who are worse, from your perspective.
But yeah, you make that switch, and then wonder why the LGBTQ activists have even more of your money to spend.
Regarding Disney’s recent approach to attack Ron DeSantis and the state of Florida, this quote in the New York Post sums it up well:
“When you are sitting on billions in a fixed, unmovable 27,000 acres (42 square miles) of real estate assets, declaring war on your host state is remarkably stupid”
They blatantly “pour the warm beer down your neck” but the Globetrotters say why bother.
Make them realize that the old rules are over. Start with Bud Light and then move on to the next corporate clowns.
Or just give up?
Frederick,
I have no problem with companies supporting causes important to their customers. AB-Inbev promotes country musicians, rock musicians, hip-hop musicians. I’m sure they support the paralympics and triathlons, etc. Beer and athletics aren’t a natural fit, but that’s where some of their customers are. I doubt any country music fans would be bothered to learn AB-Inbev sponsors broadway musicals, or theater groups, or, even a drag show or pride event.
The difference is they put the face of a barely adult man-child doing a campy impersonation of a woman on cans of their product. Really, really dumb. And insulting.
AB-Inbev probably puts references to hip-hop, or even hip-hop stars on their cans and does the same with country stars. And they distribute those products in the markets where that customer base exists. Hip-hop fans are happy to share their beer with country fans and vice versa. But if there were a country fan who insulted hip-hop stars, or a hip-hop star who became famous insulting country musicians… AB-Inbev would be wise to stay away from using such performers in a promotion.
It’s not about lifestyles or being non-inclusive.
It’s about Dylan Mulvaney’s schtick mocking womanhood and traditional genders.
Maybe this will help; there are some rappers who have hit songs with very anti-police lyrics. “F*ck tha Police” is one such song. It was released in 1988 by N.W.A. A lot of rappers drink Bud products. So do a lot of police. If, in 1988, the head of Bud Light marketing decided to feature N.W.A. on a can you would naturally assume there would be a massive outcry by law enforcement.
And, you would expect that no police (or firemen, or military base) party or picnic would have Bud Light within 5 miles of it for years. This is what is going to happen with country music, rural bars, family get togethers. One of my sons is at the age where young men often gather with other young men at bars on weekends. He said there is vocal abuse anytime anyone sees a waitress transporting a Bud Light to a patron.
Really, really dumb marketing. AB-Inbev needs to pay for insulting their customers.
Good news: looks like Pilsner Urquell is still all-Czech and unwoke. So is Paulaner Hefe-weissbier (unwoke).
There are also plenty of local breweries near where I live (e.g. https://www.trimtabbrewing.com/). No need to drink AB/Molson/Coors etc. swill. But wait! Trimtab’s website references Buckminster Fuller (hmm), quotes Jeff Bridges (hmmmm) and has “Create A World You Love” as its motto. And they have a blog. Suspicious!
Part of the issue for AB-Inbev is while they certainly own a lot of beer brands, they don’t have anywhere near a monopoly. Their brands make up somewhere in the neighborhood of 38% of the top 7 beer companies, and that excludes a ton of smaller microbrewers. There’s all sorts of non AB-Inbev alternatives that are often just as desirable, if not more so, to the typical beer consumer. So unlike other markets, it’s actually fairly easy to boycott them if someone wants to do a little bit of research. It’s not like attempting to boycott Amazon or Google where the viable alternatives are far from ideal.
Yuengling Beer is still independent and also pro-America.
I have no problem with companies supporting causes important to their customers.
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I do. Philanthropy is philanthropy and business is business. Owners, managers, and employees of a corporation can favor whichever cause they favor. The purpose of the business corporation is to produce goods and services for paying customers, dividends for owners, interest for lenders, and wages, salaries, and benefits for employees. It was corporate donors who insisted on the ruin of the Boy Scouts. Define corporate philanthropy as what it is, a misappropriation of the owners’ assets, and ban it. Also, require that every corporation have a ‘public service’ budget which can be drawn on to exercise their right of free speech when not promoting their products. Insist that the budget be approved annually at the shareholders’ meeting.
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As for philanthropic bodies, sort them by law into about 15 types, of which a selection would be permitted by law to distribute cash and vouchers to individual households and a selection by law would be permitted to distribute same to other philanthropic bodies. Among them, define types which would have to liquidate after a discrete period of years. The only philanthropic bodies which should be permitted a perpetual existence are those which provide actual services and are supervised by boards elected by stakeholders defined by law or by episcopal governors. The Ford Foundation should have been limited to making grants and forced to liquidate 60 years after its founding. Ditto the Rockefeller Foundation.
@Nonapod:it’s actually fairly easy to boycott them if someone wants to do a little bit of research.
Yes, but:
a) lots of people outrageously outraged are not bothering to do even that
b) it makes no sense to switch to someone just as bad
Because all this yelling at clouds is teaching ABInbev to get better at not calling attention to it in the wrong way. The other big companies funding this are not getting called out and not getting boycotted, indeed may be profiting, and are learning to be more slick, not to STOP DOING IT.
tl dr big corporations are not our friends. Please lets use our energy effectively. Do it right or focus on fixing something else, instead of participating in outrage theater.
Eat local & drink local.
On one driving vacation to Michigan, I made an effort to stop at the smaller restaurants & bars to eat. I asked what’s the local catch of the day and what’s the local beer/wine. Luckily, the Lake Superior Whitefish were plentiful, the local beers good & cold, and the local wines were very interesting (apple, cherry, grape).
My sailing club in OKC drinks local especially since the owner and the brewmaster of one brewery bought boat sailboats and joined as members. They bring 4-6 selections or beers and hard seltzers to our parties and regattas. I think that the club members are their taste testers for new blends.
Bud Light’s problem is that it gave a promotional deal to a particularly offensive trans activist, who is not only very visible but who has been invited to the Biden White House. Dumb. Then the activist put Bud Light videos on his widely-viewed social media page. The resulting bad publicity gave people who object a sudden possibility of demonstrating that promotional deals with people insulting to the majority of customers is a bad idea, which is what we are doing. The fact that there are other companies also in violation of good business practices isn’t the point.
We went to a local restaurant yesterday. My husband had a Yuengling.
By August, teachers were learning that “perfectionism” is “white supremacy” and that “all our systems, institutions, and outcomes emanate from the racial hierarchy on which the United States was built.”
Bentonville—the site of Walmart’s corporate headquarters—wasn’t alone.
In nearby Fayetteville, the district’s public schools embarked on a five-year “equity plan” funded and designed by Walmart-funded groups, including a DEI “research institute” at the University of Arkansas. School leaders attended trainings on the “six tenets of critical race theory,” learned that “systemic inequality = trauma,” were drilled on the harmful effects of “microaggressions,” and sat through PowerPoints on “intersectionality.”
The district also implemented a “restorative justice” program—designed to combat the allegedly “disproportionate” discipline of black students—that discouraged teachers from breaking up fights and instructed them to sit on the floor with students to “dispel any sense of hierarchy.”
Well, maybe we shouldn’t be buying our Coors or Modelo or Guinness at Walmart while we’re trying to teach Bud Light a lesson, maybe get it at Target instead….
Oh wait…
Alan Colbo and Hubert,
And Pilsner Urquell and Yuengling are also delicious!
@liz:Eat local & drink local.
Yes, where you can. Not willing to give up coffee or oranges yet.
Actually doing this is expensive and inconvenient. Outrage theater is easy. If it’s really important to us we’ll do the hard thing, and if it isn’t we’ll do what’s easy and chase the next squirrel they let out.
The big corporations’ money is their strength but also their weakness. Very different from fighting government.
Because all this yelling at clouds is teaching ABInbev to get better at not calling attention to it in the wrong way. The other big companies funding this are not getting called out and not getting boycotted, indeed may be profiting, and are learning to be more slick, not to STOP DOING IT.
Not sure what the “it” is you’re refering to here. Are you specifically talking about companies using transgender spokespeople? Or are you talking more generally about companies pushing “woke” agendas through advertising? If it’s the latter, I think it’s just a question of the product and the market. From a large companies’ perspective, sometimes woke messaging will work, sometimes it will backfire (as is the case of Bud Light here obviously). It all depends on the consumers that make up the market.
As for the larger culture war, I wouldn’t assume that attempting to boycott companies that engage in woke messaging is just yelling at clouds in futility. AB Inbev has lost billions by angering the large customer base of their best selling product. Will it drive them out of business? No, given their vast horizontal product line. Will it make them revaluate their use of woke messaging in advertising? Well… yeah.
Frederick,
OK, then let’s just sit back, do nothing and lay down as they roll over us. ‘Cause that’s the alternative. You are mimic’ing the GOP’s approach from the ’90s through about 2015.
Reagan took the fight to the culture and changed America. Andrew Breitbart and DJT taught Conservatives that “politics are downstream from culture.” A lot of our fellow Americans don’t pay attention to legislation or voting records, but they drink beer, listen to music and watch movies. If you don’t meet them there you will lose.
You can’t always choose the field of battle but you have to fight the good fight wherever the battlefield is.
Liz,
I do that whenever possible. I avoid chains and try to eat or drink locally, especially when traveling.
It’s just more fun!
Looking for a substitute for Bud, went to two major supermarkets in my area and although they had what on first glance seemed like many brands of beer I was surprised that, on closer inspection, what they actually stocked were mostly lots of cases and six packs of national brands and, in addition, some local craft beers at premium prices.
Then, I remembered reading a comment some time ago, talking about how beer distribution was pretty regional, and that you usually weren’t going to find beers brewed in other parts of the country at your local store.
P.S. Having tasted it just yesterday, although living in the South, I was hoping to find some of New England’s Narrangansett beers.
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On another topic – OKC 04/19/1995 – “We remember those who were killed, those who survived, and those changed forever.”
https://memorialmuseum.com/ The website has today’s ceremony which was televised locally. The reading of the 168 names still gets to me.
@Rufus:OK, then let’s just sit back, do nothing and lay down as they roll over us.
The exact opposite of what I said. If you don’t want to read what I posted, fine, but kindly have the consideration to not criticize me for the opposite of what I posted, thanks.
Sierra Nevada Pale Ale used to be my favorite on tap. I don’t like any of the ales from a bottle. There was a time when many restaurants and bars had it, now no one in my area has it. It’s almost all IPA’s or nothing in the ale space.
Some do have Sierra Hazy IPA which is probably one of my least favorite IPA’s.
Having said that, their website would suggest that they are not too woke. They are into sustainability and solar panels and not too much else.
I found this line on their donations page. Smart, if true. We tread lightly around political, faith-based, and other sensitive issues.
@Snow on Pine:I was hoping to find some of New England’s Narrangansett beers.
Made by FIFCO USA, who also brews Labatt’s, Genesee, Pyramid, etc. Big into sustainable development and climate action, but I didn’t find a CEI rating for them.
Frederick,
I’ve read every word you have written here today. You are insisting the boycott of AB-Inbev is futile because they are a large company, so don’t bother.
I disagree. Yes; Wal-Mart has issues. Target has issues. But just because it’s a challenge doesn’t mean one should throw in the towel. It’s like the hydra and it does seem futile, but we all draw lines somewhere, at some point. I don’t care if beer is your line. But, as you can read hear, for a lot of us it is a line.
I assume you do not watch Jimmy Kimmel’s talk show? Why not? ABC is huge, the other networks are just as bad, Fox threw the last election by calling Arizona early, ABC is a big corporation that also owns Disney and ESPN it’s too hard to keep up with, losing you as a viewer isn’t going to hurt their bottom line… So why not watch Kimmel, or Stephen Colbert?
Well, they hate you and me, that’s why I don’t watch them. I don’t know everything about AB-Inbev or their management, or products or distribution, but I do know the V.P. of Marketing for Bud Light does not want me as a customer, so I’m happy to oblige.
It doesn’t bother me that you don’t want to boycott AB-Inbev, or Bud Light, but I am certain there are times in your life where you steer away from a product because of some cultural thing they associate with. I think Stephen Colbert and Jimmy Kimmel can be funny, but they also say extremely vicious things about lifestyles of people I care about, including me. If they were vicious about everyone, a la Don Rickles, I might watch, but they are targeted in their vitriol. I don’t have to turn on my television to be insulted and I don’t have to improve the quarterly numbers for a V.P. of Marketing’s bonus when I order a beer.
Frederick,
“tl dr big corporations are not our friends. Please lets use our energy effectively. Do it right or focus on fixing something else, instead of participating in outrage theater.”
I am reading what you are writing and I am disagreeing with your premise. Look at public education in the U.S. There are so many problems, so many places, the teachers unions have immense power and control, the administrations of most all public universities, high schools and elementary schools are hopelessly woke. It is analogous to what you write about corporations and grocery chains and beer.
So, because public education is a billion (trillion?) dollar behemoth in the U.S., your answer is go to the source? Try to change the federal department of education? Try to change the administration of our largest, best funded Universities?
Some parents in Loudon County, Virginia became outraged at something that happened at a local High School and started a grass roots movement to change the schoolboard. They ended up getting the Superintendent fired (and, possibly, prosecuted) and a pro-freedom in education, anti-trans accommodations governor elected. Glenn Younkin has started to reverse the tide in VA, one of our more woke states, and he would not have been elected if those parents did not raise that issue at the local school board.
If you were looking at how to get a GOP Governor elected in VA would you have thought, let’s disrupt a PTA meeting? I wouldn’t have. But that’s the spark that got it going.
This Bud Light thing is precisely the type of small, seemingly unimportant thing that can be a great catalyst. It is square in the zeitgeist of the culture.
@Rufus:You are insisting the boycott of AB-Inbev is futile because they are a large company, so don’t bother.
If you really read every word I wrote, and still say this, then you are lying. I thought better of you. I didn’t expect you to double-down either.
Quotes from me, which you claim you already read:
2:16 pm :. Look up the brands you like and see how highly they are praised here for their support of LBGTQ, and if you’re not an old man/woman yelling at clouds, see how much you have to give up if you don’t want to fund this.
3:59 pm:Eat local & drink local.
Yes, where you can. Not willing to give up coffee or oranges yet.
Actually doing this is expensive and inconvenient. Outrage theater is easy. If it’s really important to us we’ll do the hard thing, and if it isn’t we’ll do what’s easy and chase the next squirrel they let out.
I am saying that if we want to boycott, and have it be EFFECTIVE, we have to boycott A LOT MORE THAN JUST BUD LIGHT or we are WASTING EFFORT WE COULD PUT INTO DOING SOMETHING EFFECTIVE. At the absolute MINIMUM it should be every brand ever featured in one of Mulvaney’s videos.
you don’t want to boycott AB-Inbev, or Bud Light,
This is a lie. I want to boycott them AND ALL THE OTHER COMPANIES DOING THE SAME THING. And I’ve said so, repeatedly, in MORE THAN ONE COMMENT THREAD.
So, because public education is a billion (trillion?) dollar behemoth in the U.S., your answer is go to the source?
Now you are switching to an entirely different topic, hallucinating what I would say, and then criticizing me for it.
This is really not good faith. Like I said, I thought better of you than this.
Snow on Pine,
You can order beer to be shipped to your home. Not inexpensive, and local and state laws may make it tricky for some brands, but it may be worth it for a microbrew you enjoy.
Racer 5 from Big Bear Brewing in CA is one of my favorite beers and a few years back they stopped distributing in my state. I’ve bought it online a few times.
All this debate pro and con about boycotts us besides the point.
The bigger point to grasp is that corps dance to the sources filling their ESG ears.
Vivik Ramaswamy is running for president — likely, a stepping stone to a cabinet or even Veep nom.
But skewering ESG, exposing it’s hate humanity first principles, and defeating this SWH monster that’s throttling the corporate world is his mission.
See his YouTube podcasts for more.
The Left runs philanthropy in general and NGIs in particular.
Their primary vehicle for corrupting corps to “bend the knee” to the fascist Left is their takeover of the Human Rights Campaign. When Ciirs, et al fund LBGTXYRSZ Alphabet tribes, they do so because the HRC demands they do so – or the Left would boycotts them.
And who funds the HRC? Mire Leftist billionaires like Soros.
It is a complete and corrupt circle.
Short of absolute opposition unity or widespread violence by ordinary Americans, I don’t see these juggernauts defeated. Que sera….
Art Deco,
As a consumer I agree with you regarding philanthropy. I make my purchasing decisions based on quality and cost. However, it’s impossible to keep companies out of philanthropy. Think of something as innocuous as your neighborhood pizzeria buying the uniforms for the local little league team and putting their business name on the jerseys. It’s not only harmless, it’s an image out of Norman Rockwell.
Many companies (most with more than a handful of employees) now do “days of service” where they pick a charity and employees get a day off to volunteer. I’ve done it. It’s a great way to spend time with co-workers and learn about one’s community.
I agree a lot of it is probably done more for marketing than altruism, but it’s here to stay and stopping it through legislation would give government way too much power.
I should not have put so much heat into that last comment but it is very frustrating to be misrepresented.
I am very concerned by how easily people are manipulated into theatrical actions that do nothing. We all understand this topic when it comes to environmentalism, do we not? We all get that paper straws and sorting trash and electric cars make people feel good but don’t do anything. And don’t we love to ask progressives why they don’t give up computers and electricity and move into mud huts?
So we CAN get this concept, unless it’s something coded Team Red. And then we forget it.
Actually putting a dent in the bottom lines of the corporations bankrolling this crap is hard and it’s expensive and it’s inconvenient. I think we should do it anyway. It’s going to be way harder than giving up a beer few of us even drink. And we should not be satisfied with the illusion of doing something.
The corporations bankrolling this are not stopping, they’re just counting on us being easily distracted and unwilling to do anything hard. I’d like us to prove them wrong.
Frederick,
You are absolutely free to boycott all beer companies whose marketing you don’t like, all grocery and department stores whose marketing you do not like. No one here has written a word discouraging you from that.
However, you keep writing words discouraging people who want to do this one thing; stop drinking Bud Light, or, a slightly bigger thing; stop drinking AB-Inbev products, because they are not willing to do everything.
Because it’s not the whole, entire thing you say we are “screaming at clouds.”
What I am saying is sometimes a little thing, yelling at a little cloud, can become a big thing. The reason Bud Light is such a great catalyst is because almost all Americans can understand it, and almost all Americans have an opinion about it. It is exactly the type of story that engages masses of people, no matter their opinion. Dylvan Mulvaney is a very flamboyant stereotype. Bud Light’s V.P. of Marketing seems very sterotypical. Kid Rock shooting cans of Bud Light with an automatic weapon is a stereotype. Country music stars insisting Bud Light is not sold at their concerts is a stereotype.
It’s the type of thing that gets people talking. It can be very effective. It’s great if you also want to do 100 other things, but why try to stop people from doing this one thing?
And sometimes one little thing lights a fire that becomes the big thing.
Spelling errors — please forgive my mobile handicap. Edit time ran out to correct them.
One last footnote. Are there any counter-examples? Successfully defending National culture against the corustigating designs of the far Left?
I can think of two excellent leaders. Hungary’s PM Orban has protected Magyar (Hungarian) norms in ways no one else in the West dares to try.
The other leader is forgotten, but should not be. Lee Kue Kwan (sp?) guided little Singapore to Asian Tiger status, directly competing with Hong Kong. He nurtured and protected this ex-colony to Constitutional and Western norms, especially regarding the Rule of Law and social norms requiring it’s respect.
What lessons can be learned from both of these examples, that True R-opposition states can do and, and thus succeed in maintaining and even growing Right-side culture?
Governor DeSantis in Florida mostly follows the Trump playbook — but more relentlessly. Partly, this is a consequence of Florida’s Constitution which favors a strong executive office — something our other R states need to emulate.
Can anyone add to my short three exemplars list?
@Rufus:However, you keep writing words discouraging people who want to do this one thing; stop drinking Bud Light, or, a slightly bigger thing; stop drinking AB-Inbev products, because they are not willing to do everything.
Please stop misrepresenting me, thanks. I’d prefer you just ignored my posts entirely. This is like the third different way you’ve done it, and because you’re carefully reading my every word, you say, you’re not accidentally doing it.
Weihenstephaner.
DAB.
Ayinger.
Pinkus.
All great beers. Not woke.
Get to know your local distributor. Most of the ones I know are interested in doing one thing really well – sell great beers and build a loyal clientele — a clientele who wants to enjoy great beers, not be lectured to.
This isn’t hard.
The Globetrotters are being misunderstood and musconstrued. Maybey not.
Frederick,
I appreciate what you write on this site and I am no way angry, just trying to reason to some truth, but here’s one of several examples I am responding to. You posted this here at 1:59pm (emphasis mine):
Unless you want to grow all your food and make all your own stuff, you can’t boycott the funders of Woke. The corporations you depend on for your lifestyle are stupid huge and cover a ridiculous number of brands.
“Boycotting” BudLight is for the Right what sorting their trash is for the Left: it’s a pointless activity that’s simple and makes people think they’re “helping” but without involving any kind of meaningful lifestyle sacrifice.
@Rufus: You posted this here at 1:59pm
I posted some other things at other times in this thread and in others which make it clear what I meant. I already called the ones from THIS thread out to you in this very thread at 5:00 pm. Maybe you missed them. Repeatedly. But in case a third time makes a difference, see my 2:16 pm and 3:59 pm.
There have been several times now where you claimed you were paraphrasing my views. Each time I repudiated that characterization and more than once pointed to what I actually said.
We all have to decide how much and often to say things in the short form we have here. Say too much and people tune out. Say too little and people misunderstand. Repeat too little and people miss you said it, repeat too much and lose their attention. It’s not an easy balance. On top of that it’s hard work to keep track of who says what when to whom and so it’s easy to mischaracterize people.
There’s a little too much flavor of What The Tortoise Said To Achilles here and it must be getting dull for everyone. Rufus, I think you normally mean well and have good things to say; sometimes try as we might we don’t all understand each other. Perhaps I’m not trying hard enough to understand you.
almost all beverage companies are zombie, but budweiser has more strongly associated with patriotic values other than coors,
Fredrick don’t become a Bunge. RTF isn’t a liar, IMO.
It could be that you don’t write as well as you imagine, or your cynicism bleeds through.
Frederick, I absolutely agree that the comment sections of blogs are not always optimal for conveying meaning or gleaning another’s understanding.
Time will tell how this “brew”-ha-ha plays out, but so far your prediction about the very temporary impact to AB-Inbev’s stock price has been accurate. It’s nearly back to where it was pre-controversy. I’m hoping it has an impact and forces companies to be more reluctant to enter politically controversial territory in their advertising, but it’s just a wishful prediction at this point.
Heh, The New Republic has decided to go after Naomi Wolf.
To be expected….
“The Madness of Naomi Wolf;
‘The “Beauty Myth” author has gone from being a feminist icon to an anti-vaxxer banned by Twitter. But she’s always struggled with the truth.’—
“https://newrepublic.com/article/162702/naomi-wolf-madness-feminist-icon-antivaxxer
File under: Wolf is certainly NOT the only one who is “struggl[ing] with the truth”: The pathetic depravity of TNR….(Alas, poor publication; we knew it…once…)
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Nasty, ugly, hate-filled people who are only interested in politics and power expose themselves as the horrible humans they are. https://nypost.com/2023/04/18/just-how-callous-can-these-clueless-heartless-democrats-be/
Mpls. Police Chief invites lawsuits
Neo commented yesterday on a John Hinderaker post (https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2023/04/speaking-of-derek-chauvin.php) about Minneapolis paying nearly nine million dollars for lawsuits related to Officer Chauvin. Chauvin had restrained each of the two lawsuit winners according to regulations with his knee to the back of the neck.
Hinderaker quoted the current chief of police in nearby Minneapolis:
“This is an example of the cancer that has infected this department. Today is not a day for excuses or attempts at justification. The notion that we are dealing with the bad actions of one employee is false. We are dealing with the ugly consequences stemming from a systemic failure within the Minneapolis Police Department that has allowed for and at times encourage unjust and brutal policing.”
So, we can look forward to more such lawsuits. Says the Chief, ‘bring it on! We’ve got millions more!!’
“Daniel Patrick Moynihan quoted the French author Georges Bernanos, “The worst, the most corrupting lies are problems poorly stated.”
https://johnkassnews.com/cherry-picking-who-is-a-child/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=cherry-picking-who-is-a-child
Deliberately misstating the problem is the essence of lefty talking point strategy. They use it on every issue every time.
The narrator of the video is Martha Milne. What a terrific voice.
The boycott against Bud light and Anheuser-Busch just keeps growing, as do the various YouTube parodies .
According to a YouTube clip, some wag has slapped some “rectal use only” stickers on cases of Bud light at a Publix in Georgia
https://twitter.com/KanekoaTheGreat/status/1648466336128065536
Says the Chief, ‘bring it on! We’ve got millions more!!’
They need to fill the coffers of the mob for the summer 2020 protests.
yikes
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2023-04-electricity-wounds-faster.html
Snow on Pine says, “According to a YouTube clip, some wag has slapped some ‘rectal use only’ stickers on cases of Bud light at a Publix in Georgia.”
Bud Light (or any beer) can also be used to kill garden slugs: Here’s Bob Vila on the subject: Crack Open a Cold One
Slugs like beer as much as they like the leafy greens of your garden plants. Crack open a beer and pour it into a few margarine tubs, then distribute the containers in various places around the yard, burying them so that about an inch remains above ground. The slugs will be attracted to the scent, crawl into the tubs, and drown overnight. Dispose of the containers the next morning in your trash or compost bin.
https://www.bobvila.com/articles/how-to-get-rid-of-slugs/
Some enterprising citizen can find ways to label cases of Bud Light as “Slug Killer” or “Gardener’s Friend,” and help their local beer distributor get rid of the stuff.
The boycott against Bud light and Anheuser-Busch
I’m curious to know what they’re switching to that isn’t at least as busy subsidizing the Woke as Bud Light is. Between ABInbev, Diageo, and Molson Coors that covers most the beer brands you have ever heard of.
Molson Coors Beverage Company’s “Tap Into Change” Program Raises $100,000 for LGBTQ+ Focused Organizations · Program Celebrates 10th Year in Chicago and Has Now Raised More Than $700,000 Nationally Since Its Inception…
We wrapped up the month with a virtual Drag Queen Bingo hosted by none other than Alyssa Edwards, the breakout superstar of RuPaul’s Drag Race. The event was kicked off with a cocktail making class to create a delicious Pride Cocktail from Smirnoff.
At Diageo, the conversation continues beyond the month of June and we will keep on celebrating the LGBTQIA+ community every day, everywhere….
Unless you want to grow all your food and make all your own stuff, you can’t boycott the funders of Woke. The corporations you depend on for your lifestyle are stupid huge and cover a ridiculous number of brands.
“Boycotting” BudLight is for the Right what sorting their trash is for the Left: it’s a pointless activity that’s simple and makes people think they’re “helping” but without involving any kind of meaningful lifestyle sacrifice.
PA+CAT—When I lived in Pennsylvania I used a very cheap local beer called Blatz to kill slugs, which I figured was it’s “highest and best use.”
@Snow on Pine: I used a very cheap local beer called Blatz
Still around, produced by Molson Coors:
Coors Light has been a sponsor of the Center on Colfax and the Pride Parade and Denver PrideFest for nearly two decades,” said Molson Coors spokesperson Michael Nordman. “Our Pride runs mile high so we are excited to support the Center’s vital programs and services that positively impact the LGBTQ community.”
Thanks to support from companies such as Molson Coors, Denver PrideFest has become the largest celebration of LGBTQ pride in the Rocky Mountain region. Though its format will be different because of the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic, this year’s Coors Light Denver Virtual Pride Parade will be a compilation of fun-filled virtual parade “units” submitted by community businesses and organizations that will be livestreamed as a “parade” with live commentary.
A question for the gang here, are we all just old people yelling at clouds, or are we serious about not wanting to fund the people trying to destroy us?
This link rates brands and corporations on various axes, including LGBTQ issues. Look up the brands you like and see how highly they are praised here for their support of LBGTQ, and if you’re not an old man/woman yelling at clouds, see how much you have to give up if you don’t want to fund this.
ABInbev’s brands
Diageo’s brands
Molson Coors’ brands
I completely disagree on the effectiveness of not drinking Bud Light. Yes, lots and lots of companies have done all manner of Woke stupidities and that includes beer. But most people didn’t know. The companies didn’t rub people’s faces in it. People know about what Busch did. And they clearly don’t like it.
Those beer companies are now closely paying attention to the Bud Light example. And I suspect they will be far less willing to do Woke in the future and far, far more likely to hide it should they choose to.
That’s a win for the good guys. Keep winning. Don’t drink Bud Light.
As I discovered, Anheuser-Busch owns a lot of different brands of beer, including Stella-Artois, Kona, Estrella Jalisco, Michelobe, Busch, Natural light, Landshark, Hoengaarden, Presidente, and Shocktop , with “partnerships” with a whole lot—19 to be exact— of other craft beers, including Red Hook and Devils Backbone.
Thus a lot of beers you might think of switching to are actually still benefiting A-B.
What to do though?
Just say “never mind” and go about your business, or, try to punish A-B.
Quixotic as it might be, I say switch.
@Snow on Pine:Just say “never mind” and go about your business, or, try to punish A-B.
Quixotic as it might be, I say switch.
Does more harm than good to sort your trash when it all goes to landfill, it does more harm than good to switch to electric cars if you create more pollution and carbon emissions by so doing, and it does more harm than good to punish ABInbev by giving your money to people who are worse, from your perspective.
But yeah, you make that switch, and then wonder why the LGBTQ activists have even more of your money to spend.
Regarding Disney’s recent approach to attack Ron DeSantis and the state of Florida, this quote in the New York Post sums it up well:
They blatantly “pour the warm beer down your neck” but the Globetrotters say why bother.
Make them realize that the old rules are over. Start with Bud Light and then move on to the next corporate clowns.
Or just give up?
Frederick,
I have no problem with companies supporting causes important to their customers. AB-Inbev promotes country musicians, rock musicians, hip-hop musicians. I’m sure they support the paralympics and triathlons, etc. Beer and athletics aren’t a natural fit, but that’s where some of their customers are. I doubt any country music fans would be bothered to learn AB-Inbev sponsors broadway musicals, or theater groups, or, even a drag show or pride event.
The difference is they put the face of a barely adult man-child doing a campy impersonation of a woman on cans of their product. Really, really dumb. And insulting.
AB-Inbev probably puts references to hip-hop, or even hip-hop stars on their cans and does the same with country stars. And they distribute those products in the markets where that customer base exists. Hip-hop fans are happy to share their beer with country fans and vice versa. But if there were a country fan who insulted hip-hop stars, or a hip-hop star who became famous insulting country musicians… AB-Inbev would be wise to stay away from using such performers in a promotion.
It’s not about lifestyles or being non-inclusive.
It’s about Dylan Mulvaney’s schtick mocking womanhood and traditional genders.
Maybe this will help; there are some rappers who have hit songs with very anti-police lyrics. “F*ck tha Police” is one such song. It was released in 1988 by N.W.A. A lot of rappers drink Bud products. So do a lot of police. If, in 1988, the head of Bud Light marketing decided to feature N.W.A. on a can you would naturally assume there would be a massive outcry by law enforcement.
And, you would expect that no police (or firemen, or military base) party or picnic would have Bud Light within 5 miles of it for years. This is what is going to happen with country music, rural bars, family get togethers. One of my sons is at the age where young men often gather with other young men at bars on weekends. He said there is vocal abuse anytime anyone sees a waitress transporting a Bud Light to a patron.
Really, really dumb marketing. AB-Inbev needs to pay for insulting their customers.
Good news: looks like Pilsner Urquell is still all-Czech and unwoke. So is Paulaner Hefe-weissbier (unwoke).
There are also plenty of local breweries near where I live (e.g. https://www.trimtabbrewing.com/). No need to drink AB/Molson/Coors etc. swill. But wait! Trimtab’s website references Buckminster Fuller (hmm), quotes Jeff Bridges (hmmmm) and has “Create A World You Love” as its motto. And they have a blog. Suspicious!
Part of the issue for AB-Inbev is while they certainly own a lot of beer brands, they don’t have anywhere near a monopoly. Their brands make up somewhere in the neighborhood of 38% of the top 7 beer companies, and that excludes a ton of smaller microbrewers. There’s all sorts of non AB-Inbev alternatives that are often just as desirable, if not more so, to the typical beer consumer. So unlike other markets, it’s actually fairly easy to boycott them if someone wants to do a little bit of research. It’s not like attempting to boycott Amazon or Google where the viable alternatives are far from ideal.
Yuengling Beer is still independent and also pro-America.
I have no problem with companies supporting causes important to their customers.
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I do. Philanthropy is philanthropy and business is business. Owners, managers, and employees of a corporation can favor whichever cause they favor. The purpose of the business corporation is to produce goods and services for paying customers, dividends for owners, interest for lenders, and wages, salaries, and benefits for employees. It was corporate donors who insisted on the ruin of the Boy Scouts. Define corporate philanthropy as what it is, a misappropriation of the owners’ assets, and ban it. Also, require that every corporation have a ‘public service’ budget which can be drawn on to exercise their right of free speech when not promoting their products. Insist that the budget be approved annually at the shareholders’ meeting.
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As for philanthropic bodies, sort them by law into about 15 types, of which a selection would be permitted by law to distribute cash and vouchers to individual households and a selection by law would be permitted to distribute same to other philanthropic bodies. Among them, define types which would have to liquidate after a discrete period of years. The only philanthropic bodies which should be permitted a perpetual existence are those which provide actual services and are supervised by boards elected by stakeholders defined by law or by episcopal governors. The Ford Foundation should have been limited to making grants and forced to liquidate 60 years after its founding. Ditto the Rockefeller Foundation.
@Nonapod:it’s actually fairly easy to boycott them if someone wants to do a little bit of research.
Yes, but:
a) lots of people outrageously outraged are not bothering to do even that
b) it makes no sense to switch to someone just as bad
Because all this yelling at clouds is teaching ABInbev to get better at not calling attention to it in the wrong way. The other big companies funding this are not getting called out and not getting boycotted, indeed may be profiting, and are learning to be more slick, not to STOP DOING IT.
tl dr big corporations are not our friends. Please lets use our energy effectively. Do it right or focus on fixing something else, instead of participating in outrage theater.
Eat local & drink local.
On one driving vacation to Michigan, I made an effort to stop at the smaller restaurants & bars to eat. I asked what’s the local catch of the day and what’s the local beer/wine. Luckily, the Lake Superior Whitefish were plentiful, the local beers good & cold, and the local wines were very interesting (apple, cherry, grape).
My sailing club in OKC drinks local especially since the owner and the brewmaster of one brewery bought boat sailboats and joined as members. They bring 4-6 selections or beers and hard seltzers to our parties and regattas. I think that the club members are their taste testers for new blends.
Bud Light’s problem is that it gave a promotional deal to a particularly offensive trans activist, who is not only very visible but who has been invited to the Biden White House. Dumb. Then the activist put Bud Light videos on his widely-viewed social media page. The resulting bad publicity gave people who object a sudden possibility of demonstrating that promotional deals with people insulting to the majority of customers is a bad idea, which is what we are doing. The fact that there are other companies also in violation of good business practices isn’t the point.
We went to a local restaurant yesterday. My husband had a Yuengling.
Incidentally, any of us shop at Walmart?
By August, teachers were learning that “perfectionism” is “white supremacy” and that “all our systems, institutions, and outcomes emanate from the racial hierarchy on which the United States was built.”
Bentonville—the site of Walmart’s corporate headquarters—wasn’t alone.
In nearby Fayetteville, the district’s public schools embarked on a five-year “equity plan” funded and designed by Walmart-funded groups, including a DEI “research institute” at the University of Arkansas. School leaders attended trainings on the “six tenets of critical race theory,” learned that “systemic inequality = trauma,” were drilled on the harmful effects of “microaggressions,” and sat through PowerPoints on “intersectionality.”
The district also implemented a “restorative justice” program—designed to combat the allegedly “disproportionate” discipline of black students—that discouraged teachers from breaking up fights and instructed them to sit on the floor with students to “dispel any sense of hierarchy.”
Well, maybe we shouldn’t be buying our Coors or Modelo or Guinness at Walmart while we’re trying to teach Bud Light a lesson, maybe get it at Target instead….
Oh wait…
Alan Colbo and Hubert,
And Pilsner Urquell and Yuengling are also delicious!
@liz:Eat local & drink local.
Yes, where you can. Not willing to give up coffee or oranges yet.
Actually doing this is expensive and inconvenient. Outrage theater is easy. If it’s really important to us we’ll do the hard thing, and if it isn’t we’ll do what’s easy and chase the next squirrel they let out.
The big corporations’ money is their strength but also their weakness. Very different from fighting government.
Because all this yelling at clouds is teaching ABInbev to get better at not calling attention to it in the wrong way. The other big companies funding this are not getting called out and not getting boycotted, indeed may be profiting, and are learning to be more slick, not to STOP DOING IT.
Not sure what the “it” is you’re refering to here. Are you specifically talking about companies using transgender spokespeople? Or are you talking more generally about companies pushing “woke” agendas through advertising? If it’s the latter, I think it’s just a question of the product and the market. From a large companies’ perspective, sometimes woke messaging will work, sometimes it will backfire (as is the case of Bud Light here obviously). It all depends on the consumers that make up the market.
As for the larger culture war, I wouldn’t assume that attempting to boycott companies that engage in woke messaging is just yelling at clouds in futility. AB Inbev has lost billions by angering the large customer base of their best selling product. Will it drive them out of business? No, given their vast horizontal product line. Will it make them revaluate their use of woke messaging in advertising? Well… yeah.
Frederick,
OK, then let’s just sit back, do nothing and lay down as they roll over us. ‘Cause that’s the alternative. You are mimic’ing the GOP’s approach from the ’90s through about 2015.
Reagan took the fight to the culture and changed America. Andrew Breitbart and DJT taught Conservatives that “politics are downstream from culture.” A lot of our fellow Americans don’t pay attention to legislation or voting records, but they drink beer, listen to music and watch movies. If you don’t meet them there you will lose.
You can’t always choose the field of battle but you have to fight the good fight wherever the battlefield is.
Liz,
I do that whenever possible. I avoid chains and try to eat or drink locally, especially when traveling.
It’s just more fun!
Looking for a substitute for Bud, went to two major supermarkets in my area and although they had what on first glance seemed like many brands of beer I was surprised that, on closer inspection, what they actually stocked were mostly lots of cases and six packs of national brands and, in addition, some local craft beers at premium prices.
Then, I remembered reading a comment some time ago, talking about how beer distribution was pretty regional, and that you usually weren’t going to find beers brewed in other parts of the country at your local store.
P.S. Having tasted it just yesterday, although living in the South, I was hoping to find some of New England’s Narrangansett beers.
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On another topic – OKC 04/19/1995 – “We remember those who were killed, those who survived, and those changed forever.”
https://memorialmuseum.com/ The website has today’s ceremony which was televised locally. The reading of the 168 names still gets to me.
@Rufus:OK, then let’s just sit back, do nothing and lay down as they roll over us.
The exact opposite of what I said. If you don’t want to read what I posted, fine, but kindly have the consideration to not criticize me for the opposite of what I posted, thanks.
Sierra Nevada Pale Ale used to be my favorite on tap. I don’t like any of the ales from a bottle. There was a time when many restaurants and bars had it, now no one in my area has it. It’s almost all IPA’s or nothing in the ale space.
Some do have Sierra Hazy IPA which is probably one of my least favorite IPA’s.
Having said that, their website would suggest that they are not too woke. They are into sustainability and solar panels and not too much else.
I found this line on their donations page. Smart, if true.
We tread lightly around political, faith-based, and other sensitive issues.
@Snow on Pine:I was hoping to find some of New England’s Narrangansett beers.
Made by FIFCO USA, who also brews Labatt’s, Genesee, Pyramid, etc. Big into sustainable development and climate action, but I didn’t find a CEI rating for them.
Frederick,
I’ve read every word you have written here today. You are insisting the boycott of AB-Inbev is futile because they are a large company, so don’t bother.
I disagree. Yes; Wal-Mart has issues. Target has issues. But just because it’s a challenge doesn’t mean one should throw in the towel. It’s like the hydra and it does seem futile, but we all draw lines somewhere, at some point. I don’t care if beer is your line. But, as you can read hear, for a lot of us it is a line.
I assume you do not watch Jimmy Kimmel’s talk show? Why not? ABC is huge, the other networks are just as bad, Fox threw the last election by calling Arizona early, ABC is a big corporation that also owns Disney and ESPN it’s too hard to keep up with, losing you as a viewer isn’t going to hurt their bottom line… So why not watch Kimmel, or Stephen Colbert?
Well, they hate you and me, that’s why I don’t watch them. I don’t know everything about AB-Inbev or their management, or products or distribution, but I do know the V.P. of Marketing for Bud Light does not want me as a customer, so I’m happy to oblige.
It doesn’t bother me that you don’t want to boycott AB-Inbev, or Bud Light, but I am certain there are times in your life where you steer away from a product because of some cultural thing they associate with. I think Stephen Colbert and Jimmy Kimmel can be funny, but they also say extremely vicious things about lifestyles of people I care about, including me. If they were vicious about everyone, a la Don Rickles, I might watch, but they are targeted in their vitriol. I don’t have to turn on my television to be insulted and I don’t have to improve the quarterly numbers for a V.P. of Marketing’s bonus when I order a beer.
Frederick,
I am reading what you are writing and I am disagreeing with your premise. Look at public education in the U.S. There are so many problems, so many places, the teachers unions have immense power and control, the administrations of most all public universities, high schools and elementary schools are hopelessly woke. It is analogous to what you write about corporations and grocery chains and beer.
So, because public education is a billion (trillion?) dollar behemoth in the U.S., your answer is go to the source? Try to change the federal department of education? Try to change the administration of our largest, best funded Universities?
Some parents in Loudon County, Virginia became outraged at something that happened at a local High School and started a grass roots movement to change the schoolboard. They ended up getting the Superintendent fired (and, possibly, prosecuted) and a pro-freedom in education, anti-trans accommodations governor elected. Glenn Younkin has started to reverse the tide in VA, one of our more woke states, and he would not have been elected if those parents did not raise that issue at the local school board.
If you were looking at how to get a GOP Governor elected in VA would you have thought, let’s disrupt a PTA meeting? I wouldn’t have. But that’s the spark that got it going.
This Bud Light thing is precisely the type of small, seemingly unimportant thing that can be a great catalyst. It is square in the zeitgeist of the culture.
@Rufus:You are insisting the boycott of AB-Inbev is futile because they are a large company, so don’t bother.
If you really read every word I wrote, and still say this, then you are lying. I thought better of you. I didn’t expect you to double-down either.
Quotes from me, which you claim you already read:
2:16 pm :. Look up the brands you like and see how highly they are praised here for their support of LBGTQ, and if you’re not an old man/woman yelling at clouds, see how much you have to give up if you don’t want to fund this.
3:59 pm:Eat local & drink local.
Yes, where you can. Not willing to give up coffee or oranges yet.
Actually doing this is expensive and inconvenient. Outrage theater is easy. If it’s really important to us we’ll do the hard thing, and if it isn’t we’ll do what’s easy and chase the next squirrel they let out.
I am saying that if we want to boycott, and have it be EFFECTIVE, we have to boycott A LOT MORE THAN JUST BUD LIGHT or we are WASTING EFFORT WE COULD PUT INTO DOING SOMETHING EFFECTIVE. At the absolute MINIMUM it should be every brand ever featured in one of Mulvaney’s videos.
you don’t want to boycott AB-Inbev, or Bud Light,
This is a lie. I want to boycott them AND ALL THE OTHER COMPANIES DOING THE SAME THING. And I’ve said so, repeatedly, in MORE THAN ONE COMMENT THREAD.
So, because public education is a billion (trillion?) dollar behemoth in the U.S., your answer is go to the source?
Now you are switching to an entirely different topic, hallucinating what I would say, and then criticizing me for it.
This is really not good faith. Like I said, I thought better of you than this.
Snow on Pine,
You can order beer to be shipped to your home. Not inexpensive, and local and state laws may make it tricky for some brands, but it may be worth it for a microbrew you enjoy.
Racer 5 from Big Bear Brewing in CA is one of my favorite beers and a few years back they stopped distributing in my state. I’ve bought it online a few times.
All this debate pro and con about boycotts us besides the point.
The bigger point to grasp is that corps dance to the sources filling their ESG ears.
Vivik Ramaswamy is running for president — likely, a stepping stone to a cabinet or even Veep nom.
But skewering ESG, exposing it’s hate humanity first principles, and defeating this SWH monster that’s throttling the corporate world is his mission.
See his YouTube podcasts for more.
The Left runs philanthropy in general and NGIs in particular.
Their primary vehicle for corrupting corps to “bend the knee” to the fascist Left is their takeover of the Human Rights Campaign. When Ciirs, et al fund LBGTXYRSZ Alphabet tribes, they do so because the HRC demands they do so – or the Left would boycotts them.
And who funds the HRC? Mire Leftist billionaires like Soros.
It is a complete and corrupt circle.
Short of absolute opposition unity or widespread violence by ordinary Americans, I don’t see these juggernauts defeated. Que sera….
Art Deco,
As a consumer I agree with you regarding philanthropy. I make my purchasing decisions based on quality and cost. However, it’s impossible to keep companies out of philanthropy. Think of something as innocuous as your neighborhood pizzeria buying the uniforms for the local little league team and putting their business name on the jerseys. It’s not only harmless, it’s an image out of Norman Rockwell.
Many companies (most with more than a handful of employees) now do “days of service” where they pick a charity and employees get a day off to volunteer. I’ve done it. It’s a great way to spend time with co-workers and learn about one’s community.
I agree a lot of it is probably done more for marketing than altruism, but it’s here to stay and stopping it through legislation would give government way too much power.
I should not have put so much heat into that last comment but it is very frustrating to be misrepresented.
I am very concerned by how easily people are manipulated into theatrical actions that do nothing. We all understand this topic when it comes to environmentalism, do we not? We all get that paper straws and sorting trash and electric cars make people feel good but don’t do anything. And don’t we love to ask progressives why they don’t give up computers and electricity and move into mud huts?
So we CAN get this concept, unless it’s something coded Team Red. And then we forget it.
Actually putting a dent in the bottom lines of the corporations bankrolling this crap is hard and it’s expensive and it’s inconvenient. I think we should do it anyway. It’s going to be way harder than giving up a beer few of us even drink. And we should not be satisfied with the illusion of doing something.
The corporations bankrolling this are not stopping, they’re just counting on us being easily distracted and unwilling to do anything hard. I’d like us to prove them wrong.
Frederick,
You are absolutely free to boycott all beer companies whose marketing you don’t like, all grocery and department stores whose marketing you do not like. No one here has written a word discouraging you from that.
However, you keep writing words discouraging people who want to do this one thing; stop drinking Bud Light, or, a slightly bigger thing; stop drinking AB-Inbev products, because they are not willing to do everything.
Because it’s not the whole, entire thing you say we are “screaming at clouds.”
What I am saying is sometimes a little thing, yelling at a little cloud, can become a big thing. The reason Bud Light is such a great catalyst is because almost all Americans can understand it, and almost all Americans have an opinion about it. It is exactly the type of story that engages masses of people, no matter their opinion. Dylvan Mulvaney is a very flamboyant stereotype. Bud Light’s V.P. of Marketing seems very sterotypical. Kid Rock shooting cans of Bud Light with an automatic weapon is a stereotype. Country music stars insisting Bud Light is not sold at their concerts is a stereotype.
It’s the type of thing that gets people talking. It can be very effective. It’s great if you also want to do 100 other things, but why try to stop people from doing this one thing?
And sometimes one little thing lights a fire that becomes the big thing.
Spelling errors — please forgive my mobile handicap. Edit time ran out to correct them.
One last footnote. Are there any counter-examples? Successfully defending National culture against the corustigating designs of the far Left?
I can think of two excellent leaders. Hungary’s PM Orban has protected Magyar (Hungarian) norms in ways no one else in the West dares to try.
The other leader is forgotten, but should not be. Lee Kue Kwan (sp?) guided little Singapore to Asian Tiger status, directly competing with Hong Kong. He nurtured and protected this ex-colony to Constitutional and Western norms, especially regarding the Rule of Law and social norms requiring it’s respect.
What lessons can be learned from both of these examples, that True R-opposition states can do and, and thus succeed in maintaining and even growing Right-side culture?
Governor DeSantis in Florida mostly follows the Trump playbook — but more relentlessly. Partly, this is a consequence of Florida’s Constitution which favors a strong executive office — something our other R states need to emulate.
Can anyone add to my short three exemplars list?
@Rufus:However, you keep writing words discouraging people who want to do this one thing; stop drinking Bud Light, or, a slightly bigger thing; stop drinking AB-Inbev products, because they are not willing to do everything.
Please stop misrepresenting me, thanks. I’d prefer you just ignored my posts entirely. This is like the third different way you’ve done it, and because you’re carefully reading my every word, you say, you’re not accidentally doing it.
Weihenstephaner.
DAB.
Ayinger.
Pinkus.
All great beers. Not woke.
Get to know your local distributor. Most of the ones I know are interested in doing one thing really well – sell great beers and build a loyal clientele — a clientele who wants to enjoy great beers, not be lectured to.
This isn’t hard.
The Globetrotters are being misunderstood and musconstrued. Maybey not.
Frederick,
I appreciate what you write on this site and I am no way angry, just trying to reason to some truth, but here’s one of several examples I am responding to. You posted this here at 1:59pm (emphasis mine):
@Rufus: You posted this here at 1:59pm
I posted some other things at other times in this thread and in others which make it clear what I meant. I already called the ones from THIS thread out to you in this very thread at 5:00 pm. Maybe you missed them. Repeatedly. But in case a third time makes a difference, see my 2:16 pm and 3:59 pm.
There have been several times now where you claimed you were paraphrasing my views. Each time I repudiated that characterization and more than once pointed to what I actually said.
We all have to decide how much and often to say things in the short form we have here. Say too much and people tune out. Say too little and people misunderstand. Repeat too little and people miss you said it, repeat too much and lose their attention. It’s not an easy balance. On top of that it’s hard work to keep track of who says what when to whom and so it’s easy to mischaracterize people.
There’s a little too much flavor of What The Tortoise Said To Achilles here and it must be getting dull for everyone. Rufus, I think you normally mean well and have good things to say; sometimes try as we might we don’t all understand each other. Perhaps I’m not trying hard enough to understand you.
almost all beverage companies are zombie, but budweiser has more strongly associated with patriotic values other than coors,
Fredrick don’t become a Bunge. RTF isn’t a liar, IMO.
It could be that you don’t write as well as you imagine, or your cynicism bleeds through.
Frederick, I absolutely agree that the comment sections of blogs are not always optimal for conveying meaning or gleaning another’s understanding.
Time will tell how this “brew”-ha-ha plays out, but so far your prediction about the very temporary impact to AB-Inbev’s stock price has been accurate. It’s nearly back to where it was pre-controversy. I’m hoping it has an impact and forces companies to be more reluctant to enter politically controversial territory in their advertising, but it’s just a wishful prediction at this point.
Tucker Carlson, on 4/19/23:
…So, at this point, the question isn’t who in public life is corrupt? Too many to count. The question is who is telling the truth? There are not many of those. One of them is Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Robert Kennedy knew early that the COVID vaccines were both ineffective and potentially dangerous and he said so in public to the extent he was allowed. Science has since proven Robert F. Kennedy Jr. right. Unequivocally right.
As usual, thoroughly researched, definitive, conclusive.
And a very big splash for RFK Jr on his announcement day.
Heh, The New Republic has decided to go after Naomi Wolf.
To be expected….
“The Madness of Naomi Wolf;
‘The “Beauty Myth” author has gone from being a feminist icon to an anti-vaxxer banned by Twitter. But she’s always struggled with the truth.’—
“https://newrepublic.com/article/162702/naomi-wolf-madness-feminist-icon-antivaxxer
File under: Wolf is certainly NOT the only one who is “struggl[ing] with the truth”: The pathetic depravity of TNR….(Alas, poor publication; we knew it…once…)