A travesty and an abomination. But half of America will probably be celebrating.
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But half of America will probably be celebrating.
The celebrating percentage could even be higher, if one considers the makeup of those Americans who were in favor of our original revolution which founded America. There are many, on both the right and the left, Christian and non-Christian, who desire for things to remain as they currently are, thinking that the tyrannies Americans are burdened with are just fine and equitable. Are there ten percent of the American people today who still desire to be free?
I’d like to think of this as today’s April Fool joke, but alas, no.
It is a precious opportunity for the left to get physical access to Trump without any protection. I wonder…
Just remember what Pelosi said,
“No one is above the law, and everyone has the right to a trial to prove innocence.”
I never knew that you had to prove your innocence in a trial in the USA.
Mike K, I have read that Secret Service agents will be with Trump at all times. I hope so.
So severed from traditional American values are these New Yorkers that It feels as though some hostile foreign country is about to get their hands on our former President.
The real perp in this case is the DA, Alvin Bragg.
Consider:
Many videos and news reports of Alvin Bragg campaigning for office on a promise to “get Trump.”
Many instances of malfeasance in office where he has allowed violent criminals with many prior arrests to plead down to misdemeanors. Innocent victims of these criminals have been ignored.
For an officer of the law to use his official power to go after a publicly chosen specific victim and mangle the law to indict him makes a mockery of our legal system.
Trump’s attorneys should put Alvin Bragg on trial for committing the crime of using the law to punish political opponents. At the very least Bragg should lose his law license, but true justice would see Bragg going to jail.
Bragg is a double-barreled Hahvahd product (BA, JD). What do you expect of someone who clearly thinks he’s above us deplorables?
Bragg is not some rogue prosecutor acting on his own. This is coordinated and timed.
To Kate at 12:34: How do we know that Secret Service members aren’t corrupt?
And who would punish them if they are?
To Kate at 12:34: How do we know that the Secret Service is not corrupt? And who would punish them if they are?
I (VV) posted my comment twice because it did not show up (in plenty of time) the first time I posted it.
Neo says, ” . . . half of America will probably be celebrating.”
The Europeans are already celebrating “the miracle,”ça va sans dire.
Excerpts from British, French, and German newspapers here:
bragg is a destroyer like the gauletiers that the nazis imposed on occupied lands veesenmayer frank et al, thats his job to destroy a great city, he does it with vim and vigor, now the people of gotham, didn’t learn the lesson and vote out hochul which would have dispensed with bragg,
I’ve asked on several blogs why the Dems want to indict Trump, and set the precedent that a former President could be indicted, when it could be used to indict Biden on much more consequential charges involving Chinese money that could be tantamount to actual treason?
Over a glass of bourbon, I suddenly had a really disturbing idea… what if their actual objective is to let the unfolding of the case set the precedent that he CAN’T be indicted, in order to protect Joe?!
That answers the nagging question of why such a flimsy case. They don’t want to WIN – any case will do… they want to LOSE! OMG!
Ray.
Darn fine observation.
That said, the number of people I know who’ve said with jut-jawed determination that they approve of every Biden catastrophe worries me.
Maybe to protest this atrocity, there should be a general strike/sickout/blue flu on Tuesday, including not purchasing anything.
@ VV > “How do we know that the Secret Service is not corrupt?”
I’m sure many of them are.
However, based on memoirs and news stories about past presidents, the SS details tend to be pretty hard-nosed about their service, and sometimes brutally frank about their “clients.” See especially books about guarding Hillary, Bill, Obama and compare to Reagan (I don’t know any others off-hand).
Given some of the stories about The Donald’s generally very nice treatment of working people who deal with him, I would suppose that his regular detail is solidly in his court. However, there can always be a substitute or a changing of the guard that would not be so friendly.
(And it is so unfortunate that the initials of the esteemed Secret Service are the same as another organization with a far more suspect reputation. That should have been changed a long time ago.)
Daniel Lee’s new book about his surprise discovery of an SS officer’s hidden files gives us a rare look into the lives of the countless bureaucratic enablers who kept the Nazi machine running. … a man who happened to be both a run-of-the-mill civil servant and something far more significant: “a member of one of the last century’s most sinister organizations: the Schutzstaffel, or SS.””
Not only Bragg.
The whole slew of ’em.
(And that’s quite a line-up!…spread over America’s most prominent cities.)
Like CRT and DEI, like the DOJ, and the “disinformation”/”misinformation”/”fake news” racket, the Democrats, with Soros’s “Demokratische korps”, are playing the long game.
And so…will massive bank failures and economic chaos (along with total breakdown of order/morality/decency/responsibility) deter them or prevent them from achieving their goals?
Hmmm, possibly (though as long as they have their “Emmanuel Goldstein” on the front pages—and in the telescopic sights of all their fanboys, fangirls and fanwhatevers—they have optimal distraction and rage generation).
Just a sec, “total breakdown” deter them?
What was I thinking? Total breakdown is PRECISELY what their goal is…
(Whereupon they can “step in” and—as Reagan warned—declare that they will be eager to “help” all those scores of millions of unfortunates that have been pounded into the ground by “Biden”‘s policies…hold on, scratch that—by the evil policies of the Trumpian gangsters and criminal GOP…once those demons have been put away but for good…).
@ Kate > “I’d like to think of this as today’s April Fool joke, but alas, no.”
It’s getting very hard to tell the difference.
90% of the left and 40-50% of the right will celebrate. The left because they celebrate anything that in their mind hurts the right, the right because they’re never-Trumpers or people who don’t want Trump to get in the way of people who have a better chance of getting elected.
I won’t celebrate, as it is indeed a travesty. But I’d love for Trump to get out of the way of people who actually can get elected.
40-50% of the right will celebrate.
==
There is no popular ‘NeverTrump’ constituency. It’s an Acela corridor phenomenon and, at this point, a collection of crooked politicians in Congress and opinion-journalist shills financed by people like Pierre Omidyar. DeSantis partisans who think this does their man any good are not paying attention.
they tried a similar thread bare exercise on robert mcdonnell, if you recall the governor of virginia, who was a prospective candidate, to install a real crook, a corrupter terry mcauliffe, it took a decade for republicans to take back virginia, and look at the ruin that they have left in their wake, yes the supreme court ultimately reversed the conviction, ‘it worked didn’t it’
jack smith, trump’s procurator, was part of that effort, along with fairfax, the accused rapist
Trump is the only candidate crazy enough to save us from the blackmail of Putin and the entrenched KGB-grandfathered core of Demo-communists.
The other Republicans can be bought, Trump cannot. It’s as simple as that. The fact that he is being pursued by a corrupt legal system, while Biden is known to have accepted millions from our enemies, is proof of whom they fear, and it ain’t us.
Ray Van Dune on April 1, 2023 at 7:19 pm:
A weird theory, but we can put nothing out of the realm of possibilities. The left is devious and always thinking ahead. We should be able to see their cards soon. If this is done to protect Biden, it’ll be apparent soon enough.
Substitute blackmailed by Xi for blackmailed by Putin or maybe sold out to both? The Dems have long been followers of the CCP.
“half of America will probably be celebrating.”
The morally defective half.
After conducting pre-dawn FBI/SWAT operations on septugenarians Manafort & Stone–not to mention the raid at Mar-a-Lago–how does any of this surprise anyone?
didn’t know about groesinger, i did read about wachter, who had a similar position in ukraine, young david cornwell, john le carre, encountered him during his national service in vienna, before he passed on, couldn’t make the ratline to south america, of course the ustachi, some of whom emigrated to australia and canada, some slovak nationalists made it to south america,
of course for every grossinger there was ss general karl wolf who escaped accountability for a long while because of his ties to dulles, skorzeny who had so many ties to so many factions, spanish argentine egyptian israeli, alois brunner who lived in damascus training the syrian security services who in turn trained plo and probably al queda,
Jonathan Turley has posted an appropriately biting column on “James Comey’s good day”:
Bragg knows that 62% of people view his case as “mainly motivated by politics,” but (like Comey) he is playing to an eager and generous audience. The buildup to Trump’s booking has all of the appeals of a thrill kill for Democrats. It will be another “good day” for Comey and others who put politics above principle in the use of the criminal justice system.
Despite the perfect set-up, Turley (and every pundit I’ve read so far) passed up the opportunity to opine that “no reasonable prosecutor” would indict President Trump.
Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case. Prosecutors necessarily weigh a number of factors before bringing charges. There are obvious considerations, like the strength of the evidence, especially regarding intent. Responsible decisions also consider the context of a person’s actions, and how similar situations have been handled in the past.
In looking back at our investigations into mishandling or removal of classified information, we cannot find a case that would support bringing criminal charges on these facts. All the cases prosecuted involved some combination of: clearly intentional and willful mishandling of classified information; or vast quantities of materials exposed in such a way as to support an inference of intentional misconduct; or indications of disloyalty to the United States; or efforts to obstruct justice. We do not see those things here.
He wasn’t the only one who didn’t see those things that clearly were there.
And of course his reasoning about Clinton’s situation (false though it was) certainly applies to Trump’s (and even more so to the Mar-a-lago raid).
Welcome to the United Bananas of America.
I gave up on Donald Trump after November, 2020 as he is incorrigible, having said that the indictment is a sick joke.
speaking the truth, is verboten, this is why school children can be murdered by a freak and this shambling puppet, grovels before them,
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But half of America will probably be celebrating.
The celebrating percentage could even be higher, if one considers the makeup of those Americans who were in favor of our original revolution which founded America. There are many, on both the right and the left, Christian and non-Christian, who desire for things to remain as they currently are, thinking that the tyrannies Americans are burdened with are just fine and equitable. Are there ten percent of the American people today who still desire to be free?
I’d like to think of this as today’s April Fool joke, but alas, no.
It is a precious opportunity for the left to get physical access to Trump without any protection. I wonder…
Just remember what Pelosi said,
“No one is above the law, and everyone has the right to a trial to prove innocence.”
I never knew that you had to prove your innocence in a trial in the USA.
Mike K, I have read that Secret Service agents will be with Trump at all times. I hope so.
So severed from traditional American values are these New Yorkers that It feels as though some hostile foreign country is about to get their hands on our former President.
The real perp in this case is the DA, Alvin Bragg.
Consider:
Many videos and news reports of Alvin Bragg campaigning for office on a promise to “get Trump.”
Many instances of malfeasance in office where he has allowed violent criminals with many prior arrests to plead down to misdemeanors. Innocent victims of these criminals have been ignored.
For an officer of the law to use his official power to go after a publicly chosen specific victim and mangle the law to indict him makes a mockery of our legal system.
Trump’s attorneys should put Alvin Bragg on trial for committing the crime of using the law to punish political opponents. At the very least Bragg should lose his law license, but true justice would see Bragg going to jail.
Bragg is a double-barreled Hahvahd product (BA, JD). What do you expect of someone who clearly thinks he’s above us deplorables?
Bragg is not some rogue prosecutor acting on his own. This is coordinated and timed.
To Kate at 12:34: How do we know that Secret Service members aren’t corrupt?
And who would punish them if they are?
To Kate at 12:34: How do we know that the Secret Service is not corrupt? And who would punish them if they are?
I (VV) posted my comment twice because it did not show up (in plenty of time) the first time I posted it.
Neo says, ” . . . half of America will probably be celebrating.”
The Europeans are already celebrating “the miracle,”ça va sans dire.
Excerpts from British, French, and German newspapers here:
https://legalinsurrection.com/2023/04/european-media-overjoyed-by-trumps-indictment-miracles-still-do-happen/
bragg is a destroyer like the gauletiers that the nazis imposed on occupied lands veesenmayer frank et al, thats his job to destroy a great city, he does it with vim and vigor, now the people of gotham, didn’t learn the lesson and vote out hochul which would have dispensed with bragg,
I’ve asked on several blogs why the Dems want to indict Trump, and set the precedent that a former President could be indicted, when it could be used to indict Biden on much more consequential charges involving Chinese money that could be tantamount to actual treason?
Over a glass of bourbon, I suddenly had a really disturbing idea… what if their actual objective is to let the unfolding of the case set the precedent that he CAN’T be indicted, in order to protect Joe?!
That answers the nagging question of why such a flimsy case. They don’t want to WIN – any case will do… they want to LOSE! OMG!
Ray.
Darn fine observation.
That said, the number of people I know who’ve said with jut-jawed determination that they approve of every Biden catastrophe worries me.
Maybe to protest this atrocity, there should be a general strike/sickout/blue flu on Tuesday, including not purchasing anything.
@ VV > “How do we know that the Secret Service is not corrupt?”
I’m sure many of them are.
However, based on memoirs and news stories about past presidents, the SS details tend to be pretty hard-nosed about their service, and sometimes brutally frank about their “clients.” See especially books about guarding Hillary, Bill, Obama and compare to Reagan (I don’t know any others off-hand).
Given some of the stories about The Donald’s generally very nice treatment of working people who deal with him, I would suppose that his regular detail is solidly in his court. However, there can always be a substitute or a changing of the guard that would not be so friendly.
(And it is so unfortunate that the initials of the esteemed Secret Service are the same as another organization with a far more suspect reputation. That should have been changed a long time ago.)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FF75ALSX0AAh_qg?format=jpg&name=medium
Side note: picked up this link some time ago.
https://www.the-american-interest.com/2020/08/25/portrait-of-an-ordinary-nazi/?utm-access=powerline
Not only Bragg.
The whole slew of ’em.
(And that’s quite a line-up!…spread over America’s most prominent cities.)
Like CRT and DEI, like the DOJ, and the “disinformation”/”misinformation”/”fake news” racket, the Democrats, with Soros’s “Demokratische korps”, are playing the long game.
And so…will massive bank failures and economic chaos (along with total breakdown of order/morality/decency/responsibility) deter them or prevent them from achieving their goals?
Hmmm, possibly (though as long as they have their “Emmanuel Goldstein” on the front pages—and in the telescopic sights of all their fanboys, fangirls and fanwhatevers—they have optimal distraction and rage generation).
Just a sec, “total breakdown” deter them?
What was I thinking? Total breakdown is PRECISELY what their goal is…
(Whereupon they can “step in” and—as Reagan warned—declare that they will be eager to “help” all those scores of millions of unfortunates that have been pounded into the ground by “Biden”‘s policies…hold on, scratch that—by the evil policies of the Trumpian gangsters and criminal GOP…once those demons have been put away but for good…).
@ Kate > “I’d like to think of this as today’s April Fool joke, but alas, no.”
It’s getting very hard to tell the difference.
90% of the left and 40-50% of the right will celebrate. The left because they celebrate anything that in their mind hurts the right, the right because they’re never-Trumpers or people who don’t want Trump to get in the way of people who have a better chance of getting elected.
I won’t celebrate, as it is indeed a travesty. But I’d love for Trump to get out of the way of people who actually can get elected.
40-50% of the right will celebrate.
==
There is no popular ‘NeverTrump’ constituency. It’s an Acela corridor phenomenon and, at this point, a collection of crooked politicians in Congress and opinion-journalist shills financed by people like Pierre Omidyar. DeSantis partisans who think this does their man any good are not paying attention.
they tried a similar thread bare exercise on robert mcdonnell, if you recall the governor of virginia, who was a prospective candidate, to install a real crook, a corrupter terry mcauliffe, it took a decade for republicans to take back virginia, and look at the ruin that they have left in their wake, yes the supreme court ultimately reversed the conviction, ‘it worked didn’t it’
jack smith, trump’s procurator, was part of that effort, along with fairfax, the accused rapist
Trump is the only candidate crazy enough to save us from the blackmail of Putin and the entrenched KGB-grandfathered core of Demo-communists.
The other Republicans can be bought, Trump cannot. It’s as simple as that. The fact that he is being pursued by a corrupt legal system, while Biden is known to have accepted millions from our enemies, is proof of whom they fear, and it ain’t us.
Ray Van Dune on April 1, 2023 at 7:19 pm:
A weird theory, but we can put nothing out of the realm of possibilities. The left is devious and always thinking ahead. We should be able to see their cards soon. If this is done to protect Biden, it’ll be apparent soon enough.
Substitute blackmailed by Xi for blackmailed by Putin or maybe sold out to both? The Dems have long been followers of the CCP.
“half of America will probably be celebrating.”
The morally defective half.
After conducting pre-dawn FBI/SWAT operations on septugenarians Manafort & Stone–not to mention the raid at Mar-a-Lago–how does any of this surprise anyone?
didn’t know about groesinger, i did read about wachter, who had a similar position in ukraine, young david cornwell, john le carre, encountered him during his national service in vienna, before he passed on, couldn’t make the ratline to south america, of course the ustachi, some of whom emigrated to australia and canada, some slovak nationalists made it to south america,
of course for every grossinger there was ss general karl wolf who escaped accountability for a long while because of his ties to dulles, skorzeny who had so many ties to so many factions, spanish argentine egyptian israeli, alois brunner who lived in damascus training the syrian security services who in turn trained plo and probably al queda,
Jonathan Turley has posted an appropriately biting column on “James Comey’s good day”:
Bragg knows that 62% of people view his case as “mainly motivated by politics,” but (like Comey) he is playing to an eager and generous audience. The buildup to Trump’s booking has all of the appeals of a thrill kill for Democrats. It will be another “good day” for Comey and others who put politics above principle in the use of the criminal justice system.
https://jonathanturley.org/2023/04/02/comeys-good-day-how-political-prosecutions-became-ethical-leadership-in-the-pursuit-of-trump/
@ PA Cat > “James Comey’s good day”:
Despite the perfect set-up, Turley (and every pundit I’ve read so far) passed up the opportunity to opine that “no reasonable prosecutor” would indict President Trump.
https://www.fbi.gov/news/press-releases/statement-by-fbi-director-james-b-comey-on-the-investigation-of-secretary-hillary-clinton2019s-use-of-a-personal-e-mail-system
He wasn’t the only one who didn’t see those things that clearly were there.
And of course his reasoning about Clinton’s situation (false though it was) certainly applies to Trump’s (and even more so to the Mar-a-lago raid).
Welcome to the United Bananas of America.
I gave up on Donald Trump after November, 2020 as he is incorrigible, having said that the indictment is a sick joke.
speaking the truth, is verboten, this is why school children can be murdered by a freak and this shambling puppet, grovels before them,