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  1. Lawfare is, without question, an abomination contributing mightily to the decline and fall of our republic. Of all the grotesque (and unbearably melancholy) tales of the persecuted and prosecuted political prisoners of J6 and of our very own American Gulag, perhaps the saddest is that of Matthew Perna, turned over to our Stasi by some unethical acquaintances and subsequently driven to suicide before his sentencing.

  2. There are various generic search terms for J6 defendants at GiveSendGo, including simply ‘J6’. Virtually any you use get multiple results.

    USA Today’s list is also (accidentally) helpful. Add the words “legal defense” to find fundraisers for any of those patriots at GSG or elsewhere.

  3. I attended the J6 panel at CPAC and it was hard to believe that this is happening in America. It’s one thing to read about these stories but listening to John Strand tell his story and realizing he could be spending the next 20 years in jail made my blood boil. With a very few exceptions (notably the oft ridiculed Marjorie Taylor Green) nobody in a position of power is paying attention to these people or the unconstitutional treatment they are receiving from our Department of “Justice”. This is a national disgrace.

  4. Comparing this to the Reichstag Fire is a disservice to the Nazis, as much as I hate to say. The Reichstag Fire was an actual arson committed by a deranged Dutch Communist pyromaniac, Marinius van Der Lubbe, rather than a false flag (at least if you actually look at the evidence rather than the Soviet propaganda). Meanwhile, the German judiciary actually conducted the trial with decent amounts of professionalism and honor, which is one reason why only van Der Lubbe was convicted and why Hitler was so angry at the judiciary.

    The sham that has been occurring in DC would be fitting for the so-called People’s’ Court.

    I disagree with Marjorie Taylor Green on a lot. A LOT. But her advocacy for the victims of this nightmare has ensured she will have my gratitude.

  5. This whole J6 s show reminds me of the Star Chamber. Add the fact Rep leaders are scared to say anything about the lake justice makes me so very angry.

  6. It is a fundamental axiom of justice and liberty that individuals be held accountable for their own actions and not for what is feared, projected or observed coincident to those actions.

    The US legal system under the influence of Democratic political fever is a mockery of justice and liberty.

  7. @ Julia on March 18, 2023 at 6:53 pm said: I am making over $20 k a month working part time.

    We seen to be learning a bit about The Life of Julia (TM) today.
    Even at The Good Place.
    Julia on March 18, 2023 at 6:53 pm said:
    And the Trump indictment.
    Julia on March 18, 2023 at 6:55 pm said:

    But not the Netanyahu thread – Anti-Semite?, or just not in her working zone?
    The time-stamps scream “scam troll”.

  8. AesopFan:

    I was busy much of today and somehow Julia snuck by the spam filter.

    I will off her now. Poor Julia.

  9. @ Invisible Sun > “The US legal system under the influence of Democratic political fever is a mockery of justice and liberty.”

    While following the American Thinker’s side-bar, I read this post, then clicked through some of the links.
    They make a good riff on “liberty” — as having the same etymological root as “liberal” — both of them being in short supply in America these days.

    https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2023/03/stop_conflating_leftists_with_liberals.html
    By D. Parker

    Politics is the science of governmental power and control; therefore, it logically follows that this should be the measure of the political spectrum. It also logically follows that it should start with a minimum level at one end and linearly measure the governmental power and control continuum to a maximum value at the other. There are also just two basic political ideologies: individualism and collectivism, with all falling under these general categories.

    Since the right favors individual liberty and limited government, the minimum value logically belongs on the right side of the political spectrum. And since the left favors collective rights and virtually unlimited government power and control, the maximum value logically belongs to the left.

    For all intents and purposes, this is all we need to know about the individualist right and the collectivist left view of governmental power and control.

    One side favors individual rights and freedoms, starting with anarchism at the minimum level on the far right, then libertarianism, conservatism, and liberalism (in moving from right to left). The other favors collective “rights” and “freedom,” possessed only by groups of people but nonexistent for the individual. These are the leftist ideologies of totalitarianism, communism, fascism, and socialism.

    These basic facts don’t look good for the far left, so they have to constantly work to confuse the issue. This is why they have co-opted deceptive words like “liberal” and “progressive”: because the people wouldn’t support them if they knew the truth.

    There is a marked difference between the anti-liberty authoritarians of the far left and true liberals. We do everyone a disservice when we conflate the two, or worse, group them in an absurd word salad with “left-liberal-progressive” or similarly absurd phrases.

    The biggest benefit is that if conservatives and the rest of the right were to embrace [true] liberals and other supporters of the Bill of Rights, it would be a pro-freedom majority that stands in opposition to the insanity and treachery of the tiny minority that is the tyrannical ten percent. Wouldn’t that be worth training ourselves in the proper use of the word “liberal”?

    Parker quotes several parts of this post, RTWT:
    https://thefederalist.com/2023/03/13/they-are-intolerant-divisive-and-anti-liberty-call-them-leftists-not-liberals/
    “On a simple level, “liberal” sounds like the related word “liberty.” It shouldn’t be used to describe those who are against basic rights.”

    https://sashastone.substack.com/p/how-i-knew-the-democrats-and-the#details
    “How I Knew The Democrats and The Media Were Lying About January 6th
    Because I used to do it too.”
    Bonus quote from Kundera:

    “ If totalitarianism did not exploit [archetypes], which are deep inside us all and rooted deep in all religions, it could never attract so many people, especially during the early phases of its existence. Once the dream of paradise starts to turn into reality, however, here and there people begin to crop up who stand in its way, and so the rulers of paradise must build a little gulag on the side of Eden. In the course of time this gulag grows ever bigger and more perfect, while the adjoining paradise gets even smaller and poorer.” ? Milan Kundera, The Book of Laughter and Forgetting

    [RTWT, lots of video clips, including interview with Chansley from prison, in which he sounds politically informed and mostly rational, even if he practices Shamanism, although straying into what we would have considered Conspiracy Theory territory a few years ago.]

    The Democrats and the legacy media are in too deep to turn back now. They have no choice but to double down on the gaslighting, the deception, the manipulation, and the lies. Most people on the Left believe that their reality is the only reality, their truth is the only truth.

    I used to believe that too. But for me, the truth was like a low flame that never went out but only got bigger over time. Before long, I couldn’t ignore it. And now I know the old cliché is right, the truth shall set you free. And so it has.

    Redrawing the political ideology spectrum as it should be, rather than as the Left claims. Instead of communism-socialism-capitalism-fascism, (and generally putting Hitler and Mussolini on the Right, rather than where they belong on the Left), Lawrence W. Reed proposes:
    communism-socialism-fascism-mixed_economy-capitalism

    https://elamerican.com/the-only-spectrum-that-makes-sense/

    On and on it goes. Based on what they said and what they did, it is ludicrous to separate Fascism from the Left and make it out to be just a purified form of classical liberal Capitalism. If you insist on using the conventional spectrum as depicted in Sketch 1, you are deceiving yourself as to the differences between Communism and Fascism. They both belong firmly on the socialist Left. Actual differences amounted to minimalist window-dressing. Even their primary implementers said so.

    Instead of deploying flawed and simplistic spectrum charts, let us judge political and economic systems by who they empower—the State or the individual. That makes things a lot clearer.

    A large study to reveal the underlying political ideologies that aren’t captured by the bivalent pairs “Democrat-Republican” or “liberal-conservative” — especially the latter. When the project was undertaken in 2018, the leftmost “tribe” was labeled Progressive Activists, which obscured their true nature as Leftists aka Marxists (whether communist, socialist, or nascent fascist).

    https://web.archive.org/web/20190102193747/https://hiddentribes.us/

    The Hidden Tribes of America chart does appear to accurately describe the different tribes based on their answers to a battery of preference questions; I just object to the label.

    This is what Parker said in the first post:

    You’ll see that their model starts on the right with conservatives. Then come moderates, the politically disengaged, and liberals, filling up 92% of the spectrum.

    Then they have what they call “Progressive Activists” taking up the far-left 8% — what we call the tyrannical ten percent. While most people have remained politically stationary, the authoritarians keep on moving ever farther left, away from everyone else, while they use cancel culture to silence anyone who objects to their insanity.

    This means that traditional liberals are now politically homeless, and conservatives tend to be perplexed at the difference between the two. For example, some were astonished when liberal feminist Naomi Wolf apologized to conservatives. But not those of us who understand the only political spectrum that makes sense. We know there is a distinct difference between the fascist far left and liberals.

  10. Also cue the balance board MEME that Elon Musk highlighted.
    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1519735033950470144

    Scroll on down to this reply:

    Mark Hemingway @Heminator Apr 28, 2022
    Replying to @elonmusk
    The data show this chart is largely accurate:

    (my textual summary)
    In 1994, the medians of the Democrats and Republicans were separated by one “unit,” centered at 5.5 on the arbitrary 1-10 scale from consistently liberal (using the now-incorrect label) to consistently conservative (5 and 6 respectively).

    In 2004, both parties had actually shifted one unit to the left. In 2014, the GOP had moved to the right one-half unit past its 1994 median, to 6.5; the Dem median had moved 3 units to the left from its starting point, to 2.

    I have no doubt that if the same scale was used today, the Democrats as a party would be at the far left end, just as Musk’s meme illustrated.

    The original post that Hemingway is referencing.
    Remember to substitute “leftist” for every use of “liberal,” which Democrats have moved away from for over 20 years (if the leaders ever really were liberals, which I sorta doubt now that their undercover history is being exposed; I’ll grant that individual Democrats probably are, even today — but the informed ones are mostly moving out of the Party onto Substack):

    https://jabberwocking.com/if-you-hate-the-culture-wars-blame-liberals/
    Kevin Drum Published on July 3, 2021

    Since roughly the year 2000, according to survey data, Democrats have moved significantly to the left on most hot button social issues while Republicans have moved only slightly right.

    This wasn’t meant to be a rigorous scholarly analysis. And you can argue about margins of error, question wording, choice of topics, and so forth. Still, the gaps are too big and the trend too consistent to ignore the obvious conclusion that over the past two decades Democrats have moved left far more than Republicans have moved right:

    CHARTS

    I’ve made this point many times before, and I want to make it again more loudly and more plainly today. It is not conservatives who have turned American politics into a culture war battle. It is liberals. And this shouldn’t come as a surprise: Almost by definition, liberals are the ones pushing for change while conservatives are merely responding to whatever liberals do. More specifically, progressives have been bragging publicly about pushing the Democratic Party leftward since at least 2004—and they’ve succeeded.

    Now, I’m personally happy about most of this. But that doesn’t blind me to the fact that “personally happy” means nothing in politics. <b.What matters is what the median voter feels, and Democrats have been moving further and further away from the median voter for years:

    Lots of details; the analysis is bluntly honest; one commenter correctly notes that the Independents apparently weren’t counted, so the “median voter” may not actually be in the same place as the half-way point between D and R; however, it’s pretty clear the IV isn’t as far to the left as the D median.


    Now: maybe you’re personally delighted by the Democratic Party’s leftward march and maybe you’re not. It doesn’t matter. Despite endless hopeful invocations of “but polls show that people like our positions,” the truth is that the Democratic Party has been pulled far enough left that even lots of non-crazy people find us just plain scary—something that Fox News takes vigorous advantage of. From an electoral point of view, the story here is consistent: Democrats have stoked the culture wars by getting more extreme on social issues and Republicans have used this to successfully cleave away a segment of both the non-college white vote and, more recently, the non-college nonwhite vote.

    So why is it conventional wisdom to point to conservatives as “culture war mongers”? As I’ve mentioned before, it’s a straightforward consequence of behavioral economics. For most people, losing something is far more painful than the pleasure of gaining something of equivalent value. And since conservatives are “losing” the customs and hierarchies that they’ve long lived with, their reaction is far more intense than the liberal reaction toward winning the changes they desire. This produces more outrageous behavior from conservatives even though liberals are actually the ur-source of polarization.

    Kind of blinkered there, but the Democrats were only starting to get overtly outrageous in 2017 (what they were doing by subterfuge truly was outrageous), and even the Republicans mostly thought Trump & MAGA was outrageous, until he started making some policy wins.


    Moving to the left may help galvanize the progressive base—which is good!—but if it’s not done with empathy and tact it risks outrunning the vast middle part of the country, which progressive activists seem completely uninterested in talking to.

    It is well within our power to break our two-decade 50-50 deadlock and become routine winners in national politics. All it takes is a moderation of our positions from “pretty far left” to “pretty liberal.” That’s all. But who’s got the courage to say so?

    Everything Frum complained about has only gotten worse.
    And instead of moderating their positions, the Democrats decided to buy and invent votes.

    Note that Biden is trying, not altogether successfully, to tack to the center on some positions, but is undercutting those moves by running further left on others.

    FOOTNOTE

    ¹And for God’s sake, please don’t insult my intelligence by pretending that wokeness and cancel culture are all just figments of the conservative imagination. Sure, they overreact to this stuff, but it really exists, it really is a liberal invention, and it really does make even moderate conservatives feel like their entire lives are being held up to a spotlight and found wanting.

    And all this was before the CRT and DIE/DEI backfires started hitting “the vast middle part of the country, which progressive activists seem completely uninterested in talking to” — and are now labeling as Domestic Violent Terrorists for going to school board meetings.

  11. @ Neo > “I will off her now. Poor Julia.”

    The only legitimate application of cancellation.

  12. I’m still livid about the San Jose Trump Rally riot and the aftermath. And how it was allowed to happen in other areas. I’m afraid to any Ca Trump Rally. Yes, I’m intimidated.

    And it shows the corruption of the uniparty system where the San Jose victims got an apology, where blm rioters get a payout.

    Shipwrecked article on Chaneys defense is interesting. He has another post on donating to Jan 6 defense. Seems lots of scammers are out there.

    https://shipwreckedcrew.substack.com/p/revisiting-the-factual-and-procedural

    Julie Kelly recently called out the silence of the gop establishment on the Jan 6 prisoners, including at a state level (ie DeSantis).

  13. AesopFan: thanks for the Parker link. When it comes to political taxonomies, I think Robert A. Heinlein got it right:

    “Political tags — such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth — are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire. The former are idealists acting from highest motives for the greatest good of the greatest number. The latter are surly curmudgeons, suspicious and lacking in altruism. But they are more comfortable neighbors than the other sort.”

    Other relevant quotes at https://fee.org/articles/33-of-the-best-robert-heinlein-quotes-on-liberty-politics-and-culture/

  14. Bet GOP not fighting for Jan6 Ralliers goes hand in hand not fighting footing fraud.

  15. @ Hubert > ” I think Robert A. Heinlein got it right:”

    RAH got a LOT of things right (not everything, but still…).
    His books were my earliest remembered reading material in elementary school.
    “The juveniles,” the publishers called them, but it seems to me they introduced a lot of sophisticated thought in easily understood stories.
    Readable by adults and children, then and now.

    Books have always been used to “brainwash” children, but the style, plots, and principles were better back then.

  16. @ RaySoCal > “Shipwrecked article on Chaneys defense is interesting. … Seems lots of scammers are out there.”

    I’m reading something FAR more nefarious into Chansley’s first lawyer’s behavior.
    Given the totality of the context, as described by Mr. Shipley, is it possible that Watkins was a DOJ stooge?

  17. AesopFan: “Books have always been used to “brainwash” children, but the style, plots, and principles were better back then.” They sure were.

    One of my favorite YA authors was Robb White, father of NPR (alas) commentator Bailey White. “The Lion’s Paw”, “Secret Sea”, “Up Periscope”, “Torpedo Run”, “The Survivor”, “Silent Ship, Silent Sea” (inspired by the case of the USS Jarvis). Well-written and accessible to young readers without being patronizing. All available for $.35 or $.50 apiece through Scholastic Book Services. Prices for used copies have been driven way up by Boomer nostalgia.

  18. Big Brother is evil. No one can read 1984 and conclude otherwise.

    The Democrats are Big Brother.

  19. Hubert,

    “Up Periscope” was my second favorite Scholastic paperback as a ten-year-old. “The Mad Scientists Club” was #1.

  20. Stan: my favorite as a ten-year-old was “The Lion’s Paw”. One thing Robb did very well was write about budding boy-girl awareness and attraction without being creepy. It certainly worked for me.

    I didn’t read “The Mad Scientists’ Club” but I did read all the Danny Dunn “scientific mysteries”. Good stuff.

    Other childhood favorites: the “We Were There” series of YA historical novels, Rosemary Sutcliff’s “Warrior Scarlet”, Lloyd Alexander’s “Chronicles of Prydain” series, Esther Forbes’ “Johnny Tremain”, and, eventually, Tolkien. I spent the entire summer of 1969 reading “The Hobbit” and “The Lord of the Rings” in sequence.

    And yes to your comment on the treatment of the January 6th protesters. The Left are masters of lawfare. We need to catch up. For an example of somebody doing what needs to be done, see Bill Jacobson’s Equal Protection Project at https://equalprotect.org/.

  21. If you are a lawyer supporting MAGA Types, you may get targeted through lawfare.

    An example:
    https://thomasresurgence.substack.com/p/the-craven-surrender-of-jenna-ellis

    From what I read, the previous lawyer was self agrandizing, and did not due to duty to his client. Some would characterize it as betraying his client’s interests. His reputation in his home town is great.

    This is a challenge. Not all lawyers are equally good. Some are incompetent, self centered, and lack time and resources and will sell you down the river. Others are amazing. The OJ Dream Team showed me that money makes a huge difference in the court. It’s often about who has the more resources, and better lawyer. Not about justice.

    AesopFan on March 20, 2023 at 2:47 am said:

    “I’m reading something FAR more nefarious into Chansley’s first lawyer’s behavior.
    Given the totality of the context, as described by Mr. Shipley, is it possible that Watkins was a DOJ stooge?”

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