Interesting. But he did leave out the theory of “Boat People” coming across the Pacific from the South Pacific to South America. Nothing wrong in believing that Peoples came across along the coasts, then later more in the “traditional” manner when the Glaciers melted, and across the Pacific. What I find amazing is just finding sites from pre History.
Another thought, does Russia have a claim on all of the Americas because of the original Illegal Immigrants? (OK, this is tongue in cheek)
Democrats are garbage. The constitution is dead. It’s not possible to be a morally decent person and vote D.
Covid exposed some shocking corruption and mind-numbing incompetence of our leaders and all major institutions. The Barrington Declaration folks and some others are asking why the right questions aren’t being asked. Norfolk Group https://www.norfolkgroup.org/
The story of (or history) of the Yahgan people, now effectively extinct, has long persuaded me to believe humans came to North America by coasting in canoes. These folk lived at the southern tip of S. America on the islands known as Tierra del Fuego, naked hunter gathers with and in canoes, living off shellfish, fish, seaweed, birds, small mammals, etc. for ~10,000 yrs. [See E. Lucas Bridges, Uttermost Part Of The Earth, 1947 : https://www.amazon.com/Uttermost-Part-Earth-Lucas-Bridges/dp/1585679569 ]
Four of these people were kidnapped by the crew of The Beagle’s first expedition (without C. Darwin, who wrote of them on the 2nd return expedition) and taken to England, subsequently returning the 3 survivors to Tierra del Fuego. [ Jemmy Button wiki: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jemmy_Button ]
All goes to show that there are really no “native” Americans, a term that is no more accurate than the former term “Indians”. From the beginning America is a continent of immigrants. Some earlier, some later, but immigrants all.
sdferr – have you ever read “This Thing of Darkness”? It’s kind of a non-fiction novel about Darwin’s voyage and one of the more interesting books I’ve read. Bottom line is that the author, Harry Thompson, goes to write a meticulously accurate “novel” about Darwin and his voyage only to conclude from his research that Darwin isn’t even the most interesting guy on the boat – that would be Fitzroy, the captain. Anyway, I could go on and on, but a good chunk of it is about the Yaghan/Yamana people. Absolutely fascinating. Highly recommend.
I haven’t Mike, though I have read Peter Nichols’ “Evolution’s Captain” some time back. I’ll check the library for TToD, and thanks to you for the tip to it.
And while we’re chatting, what’s with the Earl Weaver/Jim Palmer pic? Two of my very favorite people in baseball.
It’s not possible for a morally decent person – stan.
Oh, to know everything about a group one hates. That omnicient characteristic reasserts itself. How endearing.
Just me an old O’s fan (this is gonna be a fun season, I think), and the pic always makes me laugh along with ’em. Is all.
Time will tell, until then feel free to panic.
I’m a die hard Reds fan and old enough that I remember the Big Red Machine. If you’re not old enough please google “Brooks Robinson throws out Lee May” – as fine a play ever. Maybe I’m retroactively remembering but possibly my very first sports memory. In my opinion, Earl Weaver was baseball’s greatest manager – so ahead of his time.
Fun story that will make you feel good about your fellow O’s fans. I went to an O’s-Reds game with my son when he was nine years old. I wanted to see Camden Yards, and of course wanted to sit right behind the Reds dugout. My son, being a kid, for some reason likes to sit in the outfield, so I obliged him. But if I’m going to sit in the outfield, damn it I’m going to sit in the first row, so that’s where I bought the tickets. Left field. But when we got there, the concrete outfield wall was so high relative to the seats that my nine year old son couldn’t see a thing. A couple of guys in O’s jerseys a few rows back saw this, assessed the situation, and offered to switch seats with us. I was surrounded by great O’s fans, we had great conversations about baseball, and it happened to be the Reds left-fielder’s birthday. We, O’s fans too, sang him happy birthday – my son remembers this and probably nothing else from that game. Anyway, the O’s fans won me over, and they are my American League team! I sincerely hope this is a fun season!
Sweet story to me, Mike.
Looking forward, we’ve got a bunch of young guys coming on this year I’m eagerly anticipating will show us something special; Adley Rutschman, Gunnar Henderson, Kyle Stowers, and a rookie rh pitcher Grayson Rodriguez … all of ’em potential gems. Yoots! Couple of new vet guys coming in too I’ll have to get to know; Kyle Gibson, Cole Irvin, Adam Frazier and James McCann.
I read there has been at least some effort to hunt for possible buried sites under the present English channel that were once part of Doggerland.
The problem with finding underwater sites there and in North America is if those sites were never more than small villages without large, man made stone structures. It seems that finding them under layers of sediment now would almost be a matter of chance, if you believe in chance.
Year or so back, I read a report that, due to pollen studies and other research, the “ice free corridor”,. having been scraped bare, had not recovered sufficiently to support the necessary flora to support the fauna necessary to support travelers going through.
Even a small aluminum rental canoe, built to be shallow to get over rocks and piles of beer cans, can carry three adults. Or, two adults and maybe 150 pounds of gear. And, in still water, move at two mph forever. Beats walking.
The bigger ones are far more capacious, of course, which means you’re not moving with only what you can carry on your back. You can carry, without worrying about it, your tents, preserved food, weapons, kids. Might make moving on considerably less of a daunting process.
As to Clovis, see “clovis first” which reigned as a near-religion, departure from which might end your career.
See Adovasio, main proponent of the Meadowcroft dig and timing. Had a rough time, professionally speaking. His book is recommended.
The time necessary to cover ground needs to be generous. There’s no reason to upsticks from a decent location unless something bad is happening. Spreading out, “calving”, might cover a couple of miles every decade or generation and why it should always be south and more south….
So you get a couple of guys, paid up at the club, and tell them to go looking for another good location. If they get back, you decide if you want to live lean on the way to the new place…for what reason?
A link to an fascinating article that suggests that President Fentanyl’s open-border/open-fentanyl policy is a kind of “Reparations Payment” to China for the 19th-C. opium wars waged against her, as well as a way to enable the Chinese to exact VENGEANCE for the harm caused China as a result of those opium wars.
Indeed, there’s a kind of poetic justice about such a theory…
…and who, more than “Biden”, can be said to value poetry and justice so highly?
Oh, and truth, too….
“Made In The USA Policy”— https://blazingcatfur.ca/2023/02/15/made-in-the-usa-policy/
+ Bonus:
They lie about EVERYTHING (cont.)
“CBO numbers undercut Biden’s rosy deficit claims;
“Biden’s deficit reduction boasts largely ignore the extraordinary stimulus packages during the COVID-19 pandemic that swelled the deficit well beyond the normal range.”— https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/thurcbo-numbers-undercut-biden-deficit-claims
Mcalmans darwins armada is a fascinating look at how evolution was promoted yes it didnt appear organically
Re: populating N and S America.
Geez, maybe the science is not settled.
I have always thought it odd that there are pyramids in Mexico as well as in Egypt. Maybe it’s just a coincidence.
Also, there are several very ancient man-made land forms scattered about the globe that have an eerie resemblance to each other that no one can explain.
One would think that those experts that study ancient civilizations and migrations would be concentrating on trying to explain anomalous findings such as the Western Pa Meadowcroft site that is 19,000 years.
What’s interesting about this find is that it constitutes proof that the existing theories about how N and S America were populated has to be either modified or tossed into the refuse bin, yet the prevailing theory is generally accepted as the correct one.
Yep, if there is evidence that your theory does not hold up so well, best to ignore the evidence and stick your head in the sand.
Regarding pyramids, well maybe folks figured out that it is very difficult to build a cube of appreciable height. Convergent evolution of monuments?
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Exactly, and pointy-end down didn’t work.
It could be that pointy-end up, while unavoidable, reduced the available uses until, of the very few, some of the same were chosen, from one continent to another.
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Interesting. But he did leave out the theory of “Boat People” coming across the Pacific from the South Pacific to South America. Nothing wrong in believing that Peoples came across along the coasts, then later more in the “traditional” manner when the Glaciers melted, and across the Pacific. What I find amazing is just finding sites from pre History.
Another thought, does Russia have a claim on all of the Americas because of the original Illegal Immigrants? (OK, this is tongue in cheek)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLGtiEu7hZk
I wasn’t aware of these particular outrageous abuses. https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2023/02/joe_digenova_and_victoria_toensing_need_your_help.html
Democrats are garbage. The constitution is dead. It’s not possible to be a morally decent person and vote D.
Covid exposed some shocking corruption and mind-numbing incompetence of our leaders and all major institutions. The Barrington Declaration folks and some others are asking why the right questions aren’t being asked. Norfolk Group
https://www.norfolkgroup.org/
The story of (or history) of the Yahgan people, now effectively extinct, has long persuaded me to believe humans came to North America by coasting in canoes. These folk lived at the southern tip of S. America on the islands known as Tierra del Fuego, naked hunter gathers with and in canoes, living off shellfish, fish, seaweed, birds, small mammals, etc. for ~10,000 yrs. [See E. Lucas Bridges, Uttermost Part Of The Earth, 1947 : https://www.amazon.com/Uttermost-Part-Earth-Lucas-Bridges/dp/1585679569 ]
Four of these people were kidnapped by the crew of The Beagle’s first expedition (without C. Darwin, who wrote of them on the 2nd return expedition) and taken to England, subsequently returning the 3 survivors to Tierra del Fuego. [ Jemmy Button wiki: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jemmy_Button ]
See also “Yaggashalumoala: The Yaghan/Yamana People” on YouTube: https://youtu.be/xSDwttcefNE
All goes to show that there are really no “native” Americans, a term that is no more accurate than the former term “Indians”. From the beginning America is a continent of immigrants. Some earlier, some later, but immigrants all.
sdferr – have you ever read “This Thing of Darkness”? It’s kind of a non-fiction novel about Darwin’s voyage and one of the more interesting books I’ve read. Bottom line is that the author, Harry Thompson, goes to write a meticulously accurate “novel” about Darwin and his voyage only to conclude from his research that Darwin isn’t even the most interesting guy on the boat – that would be Fitzroy, the captain. Anyway, I could go on and on, but a good chunk of it is about the Yaghan/Yamana people. Absolutely fascinating. Highly recommend.
I haven’t Mike, though I have read Peter Nichols’ “Evolution’s Captain” some time back. I’ll check the library for TToD, and thanks to you for the tip to it.
And while we’re chatting, what’s with the Earl Weaver/Jim Palmer pic? Two of my very favorite people in baseball.
It’s not possible for a morally decent person – stan.
Oh, to know everything about a group one hates. That omnicient characteristic reasserts itself. How endearing.
Just going to put this here…
https://hotair.com/david-strom/2023/02/15/30-more-young-people-dying-from-heart-attacks-n531026
and maybe this…
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/risk-myocarditis-after-covid-vaccine-low-highest-young-men
But I’m sure it’s nothing…
Just me an old O’s fan (this is gonna be a fun season, I think), and the pic always makes me laugh along with ’em. Is all.
Time will tell, until then feel free to panic.
I’m a die hard Reds fan and old enough that I remember the Big Red Machine. If you’re not old enough please google “Brooks Robinson throws out Lee May” – as fine a play ever. Maybe I’m retroactively remembering but possibly my very first sports memory. In my opinion, Earl Weaver was baseball’s greatest manager – so ahead of his time.
Fun story that will make you feel good about your fellow O’s fans. I went to an O’s-Reds game with my son when he was nine years old. I wanted to see Camden Yards, and of course wanted to sit right behind the Reds dugout. My son, being a kid, for some reason likes to sit in the outfield, so I obliged him. But if I’m going to sit in the outfield, damn it I’m going to sit in the first row, so that’s where I bought the tickets. Left field. But when we got there, the concrete outfield wall was so high relative to the seats that my nine year old son couldn’t see a thing. A couple of guys in O’s jerseys a few rows back saw this, assessed the situation, and offered to switch seats with us. I was surrounded by great O’s fans, we had great conversations about baseball, and it happened to be the Reds left-fielder’s birthday. We, O’s fans too, sang him happy birthday – my son remembers this and probably nothing else from that game. Anyway, the O’s fans won me over, and they are my American League team! I sincerely hope this is a fun season!
Sweet story to me, Mike.
Looking forward, we’ve got a bunch of young guys coming on this year I’m eagerly anticipating will show us something special; Adley Rutschman, Gunnar Henderson, Kyle Stowers, and a rookie rh pitcher Grayson Rodriguez … all of ’em potential gems. Yoots! Couple of new vet guys coming in too I’ll have to get to know; Kyle Gibson, Cole Irvin, Adam Frazier and James McCann.
I read there has been at least some effort to hunt for possible buried sites under the present English channel that were once part of Doggerland.
The problem with finding underwater sites there and in North America is if those sites were never more than small villages without large, man made stone structures. It seems that finding them under layers of sediment now would almost be a matter of chance, if you believe in chance.
Year or so back, I read a report that, due to pollen studies and other research, the “ice free corridor”,. having been scraped bare, had not recovered sufficiently to support the necessary flora to support the fauna necessary to support travelers going through.
Even a small aluminum rental canoe, built to be shallow to get over rocks and piles of beer cans, can carry three adults. Or, two adults and maybe 150 pounds of gear. And, in still water, move at two mph forever. Beats walking.
The bigger ones are far more capacious, of course, which means you’re not moving with only what you can carry on your back. You can carry, without worrying about it, your tents, preserved food, weapons, kids. Might make moving on considerably less of a daunting process.
As to Clovis, see “clovis first” which reigned as a near-religion, departure from which might end your career.
See Adovasio, main proponent of the Meadowcroft dig and timing. Had a rough time, professionally speaking. His book is recommended.
The time necessary to cover ground needs to be generous. There’s no reason to upsticks from a decent location unless something bad is happening. Spreading out, “calving”, might cover a couple of miles every decade or generation and why it should always be south and more south….
So you get a couple of guys, paid up at the club, and tell them to go looking for another good location. If they get back, you decide if you want to live lean on the way to the new place…for what reason?
Makes more sense if you posit boats.
Talking about migrations!
THIS is how we KNOW that “Biden” wasn’t kidding when “he” said…”it might be aliens”….
“Report: U.S. Tracked China’s Spy Balloon as it Lifted Off of Hainan Island”
https://legalinsurrection.com/2023/02/report-u-s-tracked-chinas-spy-balloon-as-it-lifted-off-of-hainan-island/
(And I believe “his” Alphabet talking puppet, KJP, is still saying it’s a possibility…)
– – – – – – – – – –
In the meantime, watch yer backs….
“Microsoft’s Bing AI Chatbot Starts Threatening People”—
https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/microsofts-bing-ai-chatbot-starts-threatening-people
(You don’t want to chafe ’em when you ROTFL excessively…)
– – – – – – – – – –
And wouldn’t ye’ know it!
From the “Tell Me Yer Surprised” Files…
“Pete Buttigieg blames Trump for Ohio train derailment amid criticism: ‘We’re constrained'”—
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pete-buttigieg-blames-trump-ohio-train-derailment-were-constrained
A link to an fascinating article that suggests that President Fentanyl’s open-border/open-fentanyl policy is a kind of “Reparations Payment” to China for the 19th-C. opium wars waged against her, as well as a way to enable the Chinese to exact VENGEANCE for the harm caused China as a result of those opium wars.
Indeed, there’s a kind of poetic justice about such a theory…
…and who, more than “Biden”, can be said to value poetry and justice so highly?
Oh, and truth, too….
“Made In The USA Policy”—
https://blazingcatfur.ca/2023/02/15/made-in-the-usa-policy/
+ Bonus:
They lie about EVERYTHING (cont.)
“CBO numbers undercut Biden’s rosy deficit claims;
“Biden’s deficit reduction boasts largely ignore the extraordinary stimulus packages during the COVID-19 pandemic that swelled the deficit well beyond the normal range.”—
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/thurcbo-numbers-undercut-biden-deficit-claims
Mcalmans darwins armada is a fascinating look at how evolution was promoted yes it didnt appear organically
Re: populating N and S America.
Geez, maybe the science is not settled.
I have always thought it odd that there are pyramids in Mexico as well as in Egypt. Maybe it’s just a coincidence.
Also, there are several very ancient man-made land forms scattered about the globe that have an eerie resemblance to each other that no one can explain.
One would think that those experts that study ancient civilizations and migrations would be concentrating on trying to explain anomalous findings such as the Western Pa Meadowcroft site that is 19,000 years.
What’s interesting about this find is that it constitutes proof that the existing theories about how N and S America were populated has to be either modified or tossed into the refuse bin, yet the prevailing theory is generally accepted as the correct one.
Yep, if there is evidence that your theory does not hold up so well, best to ignore the evidence and stick your head in the sand.
Regarding pyramids, well maybe folks figured out that it is very difficult to build a cube of appreciable height. Convergent evolution of monuments?
om
Exactly, and pointy-end down didn’t work.
It could be that pointy-end up, while unavoidable, reduced the available uses until, of the very few, some of the same were chosen, from one continent to another.