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  1. I wonder whether, in a different world, the total and complete screw up of the Maricopa machines could be seen as sufficient reason for a do-over. There is no way to know what the actual vote was and what would be the point of denying an effort to do it right?
    If it were not a matter of political partisanship–I know, I kid–it would seem reasonable to run the thing over again.

    The other point is that, if things can be this screwed up by accident, how can we tell if it’s fraud? Or maybe fraud the next time.

    I smell a strong odor of “What are you going to do about it?”

  2. The AZ election was confused by a plethora of local elections that were all on the same ballot. The failure of printers, although they worked the day before the election, was related to the necessity of printing different ballots for each local race. My wife and I got mail-in ballots, filled them out and dropped them into a ballot box in an early voting site in Tucson. Our IDs were checked so vote fraud was probably unlikely although counting is another matter. I think the error was insisting on voting in person on election day. That gave the fraudsters a target date. Also, those “drop boxes” are an invitation to fraud.

    I think a possible/partial solution is to use the mail-in ballots but have some voting places manned for several days, check ID and protect the integrity of the ballots. That, of course, does nothing to prevent ballot counting cheating but it would solve the election day issue.

  3. Mike K, in Wake County, NC, which is large, there are something like 8-10 early voting centers, in which any voter registered in the county can vote at any center. Instead of printing the ballots to order, every early voting center has a supply of all possible ballot styles for the county, pre-printed. On election day, voters must go to the precinct in which they are registered, because that’s the only place which has their ballot style. This system allows for all those local races.

    I agree that in a mess like Maricopa County, waiting until election day to vote is risky.

  4. Kate,

    Because Arizonans vote for a LOT of down ballot offices like Central Arizona Water Conservation Board (actually a very important job in a desert state), Community College board, and so on, AND because each of those offices have different district boundaries, Maricopa County has about 2000 different ballots.

    I think there was enough fraud in 2020 to change the result. I think there might have been enough fraud in 2022 to change the results.

    The system adopted by Maricopa County (run by nominal Republicans) has some serious vulnerabilities. That said, I can understand why they chose the system they use. I don’t like it but I understand.

    If those downballot races were voted on in May, it would simplify the November ballot significantly.

  5. it’s imax projection of course, on the mind of progs, I think their trial heist was the sheriff’s race in 2017, that was the sign they could go for the senate in 2018, not that fidel o flake was much better than synema, when we speak of trump nominees, the former is one of those they had to go past,

  6. Kari Lake’s defeat is due to either electoral fraud and/or voter’s willful and arguably suicidal, blindness.

  7. Gordon Scott, 2000 ballot styles is indeed a lot more than our 60 or so. Voting for the down-ballot races in May would improve the situation, but it would not allow the Democrat forces to cheat in November.

  8. One would think – you would be wrong of course – that those states with majority republican state legislatures would enact legislation to ensure fair and honest elections.

    The courts have established the template to enable election day cheating. The cheaters just need to make sure all the election day mechanical, electrical, computer mishaps appear to be random events; just coincidences, that’s all.

    The fact that ALL the coincidences ALL go in the SAME direction for EVERY election, well, that’s just a coincidence too; just random, unpredictable events.

    It’s sort of like seeing 40 heads in 50 flips of a “fair” coin. This is not mathematically impossible. In fact, there is a 1 / 109,606 chance that this can occur; a probability greater than zero. Therefore, one must conclude the coin is fair. After all, low probability events occur all the time (and they do).
    Now, a serious gambler type would realize real quick that the coin is loaded. But that’s because he is an uneducated , ignorant , stupid moron who doesn’t know any better.
    Whereas a highly educated judge would know better and rule “the coin is fair; get out of my courtroom.”

  9. The AZ election was confused by a plethora of local elections that were all on the same ballot.

    It’s not that difficult to fix this problem. A couple of state constitutional amendments and some statutory legislation will do it. Our state legislators fix nothing.

  10. Dear Neo: You may be worried that this installment is stale.

    Don’t.

    It’s terrific, a splendid lesson in why relying on courts to repair election fraud is a mug’s game. You want to stop election fraud? You have to do it before it happens. That means control of the local prosecutions and preferably the state AG and SecState.

  11. Lawfare by the Left requires compliant, soft, sympathetic judges, to my horror. Legal objectivity is left behind, in the dust.

  12. The population of Maricopa County has risen from about 1 million in 1970 to 4.5 million today. And Arizonans are very stubborn and will resist changes to the election systems. I live in Mesa, which is now the 34th largest city in the U.S., and will soon pass Tucson as the second city. And trust me, Mesa is just a big town, even though it has more people than Lubbock, Atlanta or Minneapolis.

    The point is that people here do not think of it being this big megalopolis. But it is and it keeps growing fast. There was an effort to reform the voting system after 2020, but it failed when two RINOs opposed the bill. They’re gone, but now with Katie Hobbs on her throne, Arizona will be the latest state to discover that school teachers make lousy executives.

    Arizona has universal school choice, and one of Hobbs’ first moves is to kill that. She’s gotta dance with the lefties that brung her, but she has a Republican legislature, and if there’s anything that can bring out the pitchforks and torches, its school choice.

    Meanwhile, I suspect Kari Lake et al are planning to wrest control of the state party from the hands of the McCainites. That’s going to be fun to watch.

  13. Meanwhile, I suspect Kari Lake et al are planning to wrest control of the state party from the hands of the McCainites. That’s going to be fun to watch.

    That would be #1 on my agenda. Hobbs was, of course, the Sec State so she had control of the election. The McCainites would rather have a Democrat in office than a Trump endorsed one. Lake and Masters were head and shoulders above the hacks that got elected. Ditto for the AG.

    The Democrats tried to reverse school choice with a ballot measure but it was shot down before the election. She has added two Teachers’ Union lobbyists to her admin.

  14. The AZ republican’s problem was the idiot Charley Kirk telling everyone not to mail in a ballot but vote on election day.

    The guy is an idiot.

  15. Sam, the AZ republican’s problem was an intentional sabotage of election day voting. You sound like the Maricopa elections board that blamed the problems on people voting on election day.

  16. Until a court allows an audit of the signature verification process after an election, the chance of proving malfeasance is impossible.

    Even the “forensic audit” in 2021 by Republican legislature in Arizona of the 2020 election did not include an audit of signature verification. The judge in the Lake case dismissed her verification claim by distorting her claim IMO.

    The rejection rate in the 2012 election in Maricopa county was over 2.4%, dropped to 1.2% in 2016. By 2020 the rate was 0.4%. Was this improvement a result of better voter education and curing processes or more lax verification process?

    Even without an actual verification audit, plenty of problems were found with the envelope signatures examined in the 2020 audit.

    https://thefederalist.com/2021/09/27/arizona-2020-vote-audit-finds-potentially-election-shifting-numbers-of-illegal-ballots/

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