Vaccines for children recommended by CDC advisory committee
[Hat tip: commenter “Kate.”]
Today the CDC’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) met to discuss and vote on whether or not to add the COVID-19 vaccines from Pfizer and Moderna to the list of recommended childhood vaccines for children six months and older. In a unanimous vote, the ACIP approved the addition. Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are still under emergency use authorization (EUA), making their consideration and approval for inclusion on the Vaccines for Children (VFC) schedule unprecedented.
First I’ll get this out of the way: I have reads hundreds of articles claiming that the COVID vaccine causes very serious problems in large numbers of people who receive it, far far more than other vaccines, and I have discussed the issue many times with commenters here who have linked to such articles and expressed alarm. I’m not going to go into it again in any detail right now, but I’ll summarize by saying that such claims have not convinced me at all. My readings of the science and math behind the claims indicate a flawed understanding of statistics and research with human subjects on the part of those making those claims.
However, that said, all vaccines involve a cost/benefit calculation. In the case of the COVID vaccines and children, the evidence I’ve seen indicates that the costs generally outweigh the benefits. It does not surprise me that this committee made this recommendation, though; after all, the strong tendency of the health authorities has been to overdo the supposed “protection” (lockdowns, masks, vaccine passports) and to come down way too hard on children (school closings), with very little valid reason in terms of health benefits.
Children have never been particularly at risk for serious COVID, nor does the vaccine prevent transmission. The vaccine, like all vaccines, definitely has some risks, and I see no reason to expose children (other than those with special health problems that make them extra-vulnerable to having severe COVID) to them. Of course, I support the right of any parent to decide to have their children take the vaccine, but this committee’s recommendation will be used by blue states to require it.
More:
The committee emphasized that adding the COVID vaccines to the VFC ensured access to families who cannot afford vaccines and reiterated that the agency does not issue vaccine mandates for school attendance. These statements are performative, as it is well-established that states and school districts use the VFC to issue mandates.
California was the most aggressive state in announcing a COVID-19 vaccine requirement for school attendance shortly after the FDA and CDC approved the jabs for school-age children. However, implementation is now delayed until at least 2023. Likewise, New York City pushed back its mandate, and Washington D.C. will likely delay its requirement at a meeting on November 1. All of them may now use the ACIP recommendations to move ahead.
I think a lot of parents are going to object, and rightly so.
This is part of the leftist push to undermine the authority of parents to decide what’s best for their children’s medical treatment – and that of course includes the war on parents who are against early transition for children claiming to be transgender. The two issues may not seem related, but I believe that what links them is the desire of the left to dictate and control, and to undermine the family at the expense of the state.
Not sure if it is still the case but Boulder CO had a very high non-vaccination rate for such things as Measles and other childhood diseases. Do not know about COVID but CO as a whole is pretty much vaxed and boosted. Will the Boulder Moms of kids balk at this? Somehow I think not.
I think what we’ll see is even more alternative education paths and fewer vaccines received in total…or long delays before minimal compliance.
At least I hope so and some political wind and will shifts in the meantime.
I agree with you, Neo, that this is much more about control and taking away parental rights than it is about disease prevention. COVID-19, even in its original form, was very seldom dangerous for young children, and the more recent variants are even less dangerous (for everyone). This is a very different issue, medically, than the serious risks to children if they get measles or mumps or polio or pertussis.
I think Neo may mean “to undermine the family for the benefit of the state” rather than “to undermine the family at the expense of the state.” And yes, they are moving relentlessly in the direction of doing that very thing.
My husband suggests, also, “Follow the money.” The CDC board knows how much money Pfizer and Moderna have riding on keeping this new vaccine regimen going. People are not getting boosters, and parents of small children have not been getting the shots for their kids.
the desire of the left to dictate and control, and to undermine the family at the expense of the state.
True until proven false, and that proof doesn’t yet exist.
The CDC is another agency that is begging to be shut down.
These are the names of the people insisting your children have vaccines which are of no benefit to them:
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/members/index.html
I know when I looked it up early in the year it was estimated that 43 million people 18 years old and younger had contracted covid at least once. Of that group 1000 had died, 75% of those had comorbidities. Not sure what percentage of children have comorbidities though and I don’t know what the numbers are now but that’s at least some data to make that determination.
As I understand it, being put on that list also extends the vaccine-makers immunity from liability for problems caused by the vaccine (the EUA already conferred that upon them).
Another angle to consider.
I talked to my cardiologist before getting the “new” shot. His take is that most of the issues are with teen age boys and younger men with more muscle mass. He thinks that it is operator error because they hit a vein and inject into the blood stream. I did not ask why more muscular people would be at risk for this situation as I wanted to talk about my heart. Thanks to him it is humming along.
He recommended the new shot for me because of my age. He believes that it would reduce the severity of a case if nothing else. On his recommendation, and at the urging of my medical professional daughter, I got the shot after thinking about it for a while.
This was my decision. I have always thought that the mandates that dictated involuntary vaccination were highly questionable. Since the revelation that there wasn’t even any testing to determine whether the vaccine inhibits transmission, my disgust is boundless. So sad for the many people who were punished peremptorily for their choice. There should be retribution. Everyone who played a role in establishing or enforcing vaccine mandates should be scrutinized. As Donald Rumsfeld reminded us, “there are known unknowns”. The entire COVID response agenda was fraught with verifiable unknowns. A commonsense rule for anyone with authority over others must be “when in doubt, proceed with caution”. So many Authoritarians did the opposite in the rush to exercise their newly created powers.
Jester Naybor ~ Agree completely.
(1) The ‘required’ shots for childhood are free from liability recourse. (2) It keeps Government money paying for the jabs.
Kate said, “My husband suggests, also, ‘Follow the money.’ The CDC board knows how much money Pfizer and Moderna have riding on keeping this new vaccine regimen going.”
According to NPR (yes, I know, consider the source), “How much money have Pfizer and Moderna made off their COVID-19 vaccines? They’re shaping up to be the most lucrative pharmaceutical products ever. . . . This year [2021], Pfizer expects to bring in $36 billion from worldwide sales of its COVID-19 vaccine. That would shatter the previous record in annual sales for a single pharmaceutical product – about $20 billion for the anti-inflammatory drug Humira – and make the Pfizer vaccine the bestselling pharmaceutical product ever. Moderna will deliver fewer doses but is still expecting up to $18 billion in sales for the year for its COVID-19 vaccine. But the long-term measure of financial success for the companies’ mRNA vaccines isn’t so simple. Here’s Richard Evans of SSR Health, an investment research firm. . . . Evans says that just because Pfizer and Moderna are selling billions of doses now doesn’t mean that will last forever. The vaccines could work so well they eliminate the need for further boosters, though it’s also possible COVID shots could become routine, like flu shots. Still, Evans says the uncertainty puts a premium on maximizing sales now.”
https://www.npr.org/2021/11/24/1059041725/covid-vaccines-are-set-to-be-among-the-most-lucrative-pharmaceutical-products-ev
I’ve seen the $36 billion (Pfizer) and $18 billion (Moderna) figures elsewhere. Has anyone seen different or more recent figures?
This is medical malpractice. For one thing it will decrease the use of real vaccines that work. Children are at zero risk from covid if they have no severe co-morbidity. My conservative son has refused vaccine and , so far, California has not made it mandatory for state employees. He is a fireman. His children have not had the vaccine and will not, with my approval.
I have a leftist, trial lawyer son and his children, two girls, are fully vaxxed and boosted. It might make a small controlled trial.
I have one other grand daughter, who is three and I have convinced her mother to avoid vaccination. Nobody knows the risk entailed.
My wife and I had the Moderna vaccine early but we are old and have not had the boosters.
Said it before, probably elsewhere: Every pharmaceutical advertised on television spends a fair amount of their expensive seconds listing possible side effects. You might even die.
Hell, baby aspirin has warnings.
But the vax…that’s officially without any side effects at all. Not at all. none. Zip, zero, nada.
I would like to see how many people on that board bought Pfizer and/or Moderna stock at the outset of the pandemic . . . based on insider information.
Cap’n Rusty:
San Fran Nan and her DUI husband are the obvious suspects for insider trading of Pfizer and Moderna stock.
The CDC’s decision is astonishing scientific malfeasance. We won’t know for a decade what effects these vaccines have on childrens’ physical development. It would be one thing if these vaccines protected children against a deadly disease, but all the evidence shows children are not at risk from dying of COVID.
Tonight, on Laura Ingraham, Dr Harvey Risch said the risk of death from Covid for children under 18 who get infected is 3 in 1000. Those that died usually had comorbidities. The number of cardiomyopathies as a result of the vaccination in the same population is 30 in 1000. So, the jab is not riskless. For healthy children, the infection is much less so. You have to weigh the risk/benefit ratio. I believe these figures were quoted from Great Britain’s NHS and not our CDC. Has the CDC ever shown that sort of data to the public? I don’t think so. In cases like this where the data shows the vax doesn’t provide immunity and can cause harm, parents and their family pediatricians should be allowed to decide.
The ONLY justification for vaccine mandates -meaning you get punished for not obeying- is to protect the public. If the “vaccine” doesn’t inhibit transmission mandates are simply exercises in government bullying.
The fundamental transformation of America cannot be completed as long as the authority of parents remains.
We’re dealing with ideological fanaticism and everyone opposed has decided that the constitution is a suicide pact.
JJ:
Those numbers are incorrect. The cardiomyopathy rate after vaccination is around 30 per million (shots), and although somewhat higher in young men it’s still nowhere near 30 in 1000. In addition, symptoms are usually mild and self-limiting. Lastly, having COVID can cause heart inflammation as well. So the cost/benefit ration regarding that is hard to gauge.
However, in children under 12 who were previously healthy, death from COVID is almost unheard-of. So why take any vaccine risks at all in that group?
Richard Aubrey:
I have no idea where you get your information or whether you’re trying to be humorous through exaggeration, but plenty of side effects are listed for the COVID vaccine.
The problem is public health have doen played the side effects and overhyped thd benefit of these vaccines despite evidence from israel western europe et al
At the apex of this pyramid is tony fauci he knew exactly what was going on because he paid for the virus customzation along with representatives from nhs french health ministry
then be blocked quarantines stigmatized therapeutics pushed brutal lockdowns the consequences we are suffering
Under these conditions it became necessary to accelerate the development of these vaccines and then made them mandatory how could one be so callous to engage in all these steps not just the first not the last?
“On October 17, 2022 during a news conference, Stéphane Bancel, the CEO of the drug company Moderna, made the following statement about COVID, the so-called plague that allowed his company (and others) to make billions pushing their jabs on a terrified public: “I think it’s going to be like the flu. If you’re a 25-year-old, do you need an annual booster every year if you’re healthy? You might want to… but I think it’s going to be similar to flu where it’s going to be people at high-risk, people above 50 years of age, people with comorbidities, people with cancer and other conditions, people with transplants.”
“Nor is Bancel the only drug company executive walking back the early claims. Watch this short video from European Parliament member Robert Roos. Pfizer executive Janine Small admits that the company never tested its jab to see if it could stop transmission. They had no idea if it could do this at all.”
Watch the Roos video at the link: https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/moderna-ceo-admits-to-past-lies-covid-is-simply-the-flu-harmless-to-the-healthy/
TheRealAnthonyFauciMovie.com
neo
I’m comparing the commercial advertisements for, say, some psoriasis med to what is publicly touted for the vax.
Does the vax promotion feature one of those speeded-up voice things listing ten different adverse events which could happen? Every FREAKING time?
Related:
“Many States have existing laws that require schools to follow CDC vaccine recommendations.
“Until today this seemed reasonable. No one anticipated the CDC would lose its mind….”—
https://twitter.com/ITGuy1959/status/1582915679128522752?cxt=HHwWgMDQvY3b0vcrAAAA
Vaccinating kids? Toddlers? Come on, man…
Actually, none of this seems to make any sense at all…
Unless, unless…
Hold on!
‘Shocker: Federal officials made stock trades with “exquisite timing” on COVID policies’—
https://hotair.com/headlines/2022/10/19/shocker-federal-officials-made-stock-trades-with-exquisite-timing-on-covid-policies-n504550
H/T Instapundit.
What convinced me was reality. I had the MMR (measles, mumps and rubella) shots as a child. I’ve never had these things. Been vaccinated against Whooping Cough – never had that either. Tetanus vaccine? Yup and same thing, never had it despite my share of rusty nails. In the military it was mandatory flu vaccine every year yet, I got the flu almost every year. In 2020 I took both Moderna shots and what happened? Less than a year later I got Covid. Real, hard Covid 19. Headache, bodyache, no smell or taste, etc. Don’t tell me this is a vaccine because it isn’t, at least not in my book. Weekly we get more information about the malfeasance that occurred with the rollout of these things and to think that government officials, at any level, would require children to get these things as a pre-requisite for school is beyond the pale. Health officials have jumped the shark when it comes to this virus. Lives have been destroyed, etc, etc and we just move on. What a sad spectacle.
I don’t trust the official statistics on Covid side effects from anywhere. There seems to be a lot of not even recording negative side effects, and deliberately not looking for them. The need for FOIA lawsuits to get basic information on the vaccines is suspicious. Plus the many lies about Covid from governments that have been exposed.
From what I can tell, the mRNA vaccine reprograms the immune system, which is only about 10% understood.
The fact some European Countries are now recommending against the Vax for certain age groups is worrying.
My gut feel, is every time you get jabbed, the side effects are cumulative.
There also seems to be a lot of regulatory capture between the us public health organizations and the pharmaceutical industry.
Why the recommendation applied to school attendance? Anyone notice who controls the schools? Same people who advocate for drag shows and homosexual propaganda for kindergartners. Randi Weingarten, I’m looking at you.
(warning — Rant ahead. Buckle up.)
The CDC and the rest of the health establishment has lied about every aspect of Covid from the beginning. That can’t be denied. The evidence is overwhelming. Just read Birx’ book and comments along with the Fauci emails and self-contradictions for an intro. And Fauci made millions as did Gottlieb.
Why would anyone trust them? How many lies are too many?
The covid vaxx isn’t a vaccine. We know it alters DNA. It’s designed to. We know it hasn’t been tested. We know that the policies and procedures used for vaccines in the past have been abandoned for these jabs. We know that the health authorities around the world have altered and hidden databases on adverse reactions. We know they have used improper statistical methods to mislead the public. These are undeniable.
Is there even any point in quibbling over what else has or hasn’t been proved. Don’t we already have enough evidence to conclude that they aren’t trustworthy? That the system is dishonest and broken? That the news media and Big Tech are corrupt and merely foot soldiers for the empire?
One more thing. Everyone should incorporate what we have learned about science in other areas when evaluating covid “science” claims. We KNOW that science is broken. Most studies are flawed. We know all the reasons why. We know that the academy, as a whole, is corrupt and incompetent.
We know that trillions are being spent on climate policies on the basis of “studies” that no one ever checked. Let that marinate for a moment. Forget that some have been exposed as flawed, sometimes fraudulent, and frequently incompetent. Forget that the records are being systematically altered to fit the narrative. Forget the lies, the rampant cancel culture and the massive financial rewards for those who drive the narrative. No one ever bothers to check the work.
NO ONE thinks it important enough to adopt a basic system of quality control before imposing policies that are killing millions every year. Basic quality control. Simply checking the supposed science by replicating the foundational studies and models.
How stupid would you have to be to trust such a system? Even if you didn’t know about the lies, the cancel culture, the data fraud and the rest? They don’t check studies for quality. That alone should seal it.
And all the incompetence, corruption, dishonesty, slander and cancel culture which infects climate science and policy has been ramped up exponentially on covid. Anyone who puts any trust at all in any part of such a system is stupid and reckless. Worse.
Merely the “medical” equivalent of “We have to pass the law before we can know what’s in it”…with just a few [ fill in your preferred number ] dead as “collateral damage”….
But it was an ESSENTIAL factor in helping “Biden” to steal the election and so served its main moral and ethical purpose…
File under: And their sacrifices WILL NOT have been made in vain. (Not if WE can help it…)
I have been jabbed 4 times but I think that vaccinating children is absolutely absurd and probably somewhat risky. My belief is that two years form now there will still be people wearing masks everywhere they go. I pity them
stan @ 9:27: “…One more thing. Everyone should incorporate what we have learned about science in other areas when evaluating covid “science” claims. We KNOW that science is broken. Most studies are flawed. We know all the reasons why. We know that the academy, as a whole, is corrupt and incompetent.”
This seems relevant: Breznau Rinke Wuttke et al just published a paper at PNAS called the “Hidden Universe of Data Analysis” which shows how 73 different scientific teams, given identical datasets and the same well-established research question (“increased immigration does/not result in increased support for government support policies” or something similar), produced 73 different outcomes ranging from strong Yes to strong No. Each with 95% or better confidence. Point being: even science isn’t science. These people acted with skill and in good faith but the many cascading choices of strategy in how they used the data to attack the question, dramatically affected the workflow and the outcome they reached. And that indeterminacy is a hidden layer –a “cloud of unknowing”– that continues to be hidden and –the point again– isn’t even acknowledged.
I will try to supply a link to the paper.
Here is the link to the paper (a preprint of what is set to appear in PNAS):
https://osf.io/preprints/metaarxiv/cd5j9/
I don’t trust the official statistics on Covid side effects from anywhere. There seems to be a lot of not even recording negative side effects, and deliberately not looking for them. The need for FOIA lawsuits to get basic information on the vaccines is suspicious. Plus the many lies about Covid from governments that have been exposed.
This is why these policies will decrease the use of real childhood vaccines. My kids got both the Salk and Sabin vaccines for polio. And all the usual ones. People are now suspicious of the CDC and pediatricians who are pushing “gender dysphoria.” This will result in bad outcomes.
The mortality rate for the covid-19 virus is practically zero for children and young adults and near zero below 50 years, then it begins to rise slowly and then very steeply above 70 and especially above 80. I am almost 80 and had covid and it was barely noticeable. If I were under 40, I wouldn’t even consider taking the shot.
Another impetus for school choice. It is odd, to me, how much of COVID has really hurt education, particularly public education, so much. It’s like they can’t get out of their own way. Much of the (R) resurgence has been about schools, and while CRT and LGBTQ+ have been in the headlines, an underappreciated aspect has been the amount of parental … education about what is going on in the schools occurred during the lock downs.
Add in the kids that left for ‘open’ private schools or left to homeschooling, and, if mandated for schools, will only accelerate the loss of students from the public system. That, more than anything, may turn the tide on progressivism: once a critical mass of people don’t go through the Zinn-ified demonization of the US.
The CDC used to have an easily understandable graph of Covid cases vs time.
This graph contained several lines, each line corresponding to a specific age group.
One could easily see, by age group, which groups were most impacted by covid.
IIRC, the age group of under 18 was basically a flat line; that is, this age cohort was basically unaffected by Covid, even when cases were soaring for older age cohorts.
As you could expect, this graph is no longer on their website. After all, why allow ordinary folks to plainly see what’s really going on, when the INTENTION is to obfuscate and complicate.
By the way, Il Duce, Fauci, apparently made boat loads of $$$ in royalties since covid entered the arena.
Why is this legal?
How is this not bribery?
But then again, Pelosi’s husband has made millions playing the stock market. His stock picking selections have a very near perfect record of contributing to his financial health.
Yep, when it comes to the little guy, the demonkrats will be on their side
Re: The risk analysis
Every decision has a risk. Vax is a risk. Not vax is a risk. The public policy discussion has morphed to morality “If you don’t you’re going to kill grandma!” and “If you do, you are going to disable your kids!”
I don’t have a dog in this fight, but I do think having the government MANDATE which risks to take is THE problem. Make options available (e.g., EUA), let individuals choose their own path, let organizations make accommodations (e.g., let employers / schools define on premise conditions / requirements, but stay they hell out of remote [e.g., Rutgers(?) expelling a remote only student for not getting vaxxed, or how people behave off campus or in their own home])
But that requires maturity, and the government assumes we are all children (and there are enough examples to extrapolate from that it is easy to ‘believe’ all, most or too many citizens are incompetent).
More data, not reassuring
https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/urgent-urgent-1-in-780-german-kids/
The thing to keep in mind here is that these mRNA “vaccines” aren’t really vaccines. The first jab teaches the immune system that the two spike proteins are pathogens. After that? They are triggering the immune system to fight the spike proteins in the jabs. Nothing more, esp this year, when, up until now, there was perfect mismatch between the spike proteins in the jab and in the Omicron variants of the virus. They could have, just as well, jabbed with any other pathogen known to the immune system to get the same effect.
That wouldn’t be a major problem, except that the mRNA doesn’t break down in minutes, as assumed by the FDA, for safety, but rather apparently months, migrating through the body, generating toxic spike proteins all along the way. When they congregate, in cells, the immune system detects the spike proteins (known as a pathogen from the first jab), and kills the cells exhibiting such. Hence many of the side effects.
I knew it was risky to cite statistics from memory. Neo’s eagle eye is always alert to such errors. If it is 30/million cases of cardiomyopathy, then the risk benefit ratio changes markedly. I can’t find the video to check Dr. Risch’s numbers. Both he and Laura Ingraham have been very anti-vax. Did he cherry pick some numbers that showed somewhat greater side effects from the vaccine? Maybe. Or maybe my recollection was wrong. 🙁
That said, it would still appear that the CDC decision is not based on any risk/benefit ratio except for the bottom lines of the pharma companies and their investors.
Neo, you speak with authority about issues that are more complex than what you read about them, quoting things written by people who hope to convince non medical people to allow the use of these experimental genetic therapies with unknown consequences.
Hundreds of millions of dollars have been spent for that purpose.
Myocarditis is NEVER “mild and limited,” even if the symptoms may be– a heart is damaged FOREVER by any episode of myocarditis, because of the myocardial cell death and scarring from the inflammation, which leaves a person FOREVER at risk of a fatal arrhythmia.
(Those videos of the young athletes dropping dead on the field—they may no longer be short of breath with exertion, but they are damaged–enough to die from an arrhythmia or sudden clot.)
Dr. Stephen Gundry showed high levels of cardiac inflammatory markers in his patients who have been injected with the mRNA–not just young men, you might want to share with your cardiologist, oldflyer, because his nice tidy story about the myocarditis in young muscled men is just that–a story made up to quell people’s fears. The vascular inflammation happens in every age group of patients. He can see Dr. Gundry’s data for himself, as it was presented in the fall of 2021 at the AHA/ACC meeting.
You might want to ask him about how many patients he’s seeing with new onset a fib, or difficult to control hypertension–the things cardiologists across the country have noted to be far above normal this past year and a half.
You also might suggest he read this article in Lancet, which shows the injections and boosters to be INEFFECTIVE in preventing hospitalization and death in elderly patients. No, they do NOT minimize sickness–the more shots, the HIGHER the likelihood of hospital admission. (There was a single study showing one less day of outpatient symptoms, early on.)
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736%2822%2901656-7/fulltext
(Stunningly, the authors’ conclusion to that data–MORE shots! Closer together!!!!
How about some IVM once a week for prophylaxis instead? The Brazil study shows that prevents 92% of Covid deaths in their study of thousands.
And maybe–just maybe– consider the possibility that the shots might actually be bad?
The data shows it decreases cellular and innate immunity. Those are two things that keep a lot of bad things at bay.)
Children have a statistically zero rate of death from Covid. Millions of children are antibody positive already for Covid. Inoculating children does not decrease transmission.
In light of those facts, there is not reason to subject any child to ANY risk from the shot–even the risk of local sore muscle, let alone myocarditis.
Denmark, Sweden, and UK will not authorize injection for children–but the US is going to have them on the childhood vaccine schedule?
What utter regulatory capture, if not horrendous corruption.
Physician who has published 100 peer reviewed journal articles calls for end to Canada’s mandate
“Our analysis shows Canadian doctor deaths under age 50 in 2022 will be 2-fold higher compared to 2019-2020. Shockingly, doctor deaths under age 40 are 5-fold higher, and doctor deaths under age 30 are 8-fold higher,” Makis said.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/10/canadian-doctor-urges-canadian-medical-association-investigate-unusual-death-80-young-doctors-since-vaccine-rollout-800-baseline-expected-number/?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
Lee:
You have no idea what I know about or don’t know. Nor are your credentials apparent. I have written a great deal about these issues here and I’m not going to spend hours finding everything I’ve written right now. You either agree with me or you don’t, and I’m sure you don’t.
Myocarditis of course can be mild and limited. It can also be very serious. In the case of myocarditis after vaccines the vast majority is mild and limited. Some isn’t even really myocarditis (see this for a discussion of the latter).
And COVID itself, and other viruses, can cause myocarditis.
See this about the athletes. It’s not happening in increased numbers (although there has always been a baseline of young athletes dropping dead, unfortunately, including cases I remember from my youth).
You’re posting a lot of internet scam stuff here.
Here’s the data of the VAERs reported pediatric myocarditis cases
https://twitter.com/RepThomasMassie/status/1583080100366385153
Stop calling it a vaccine. It’s a shot like the seasonal flu shot. Stop helping them!
Lee:
VAERS data is meaningless, and I’ve explained why before, and given you links to actual data.
“Stop calling it a vaccine. It’s a shot like the seasonal flu shot. Stop helping them!”
I think that you can legitimately call the first jab a “vaccine” – it does what vaccines usually do, which is to teach an immune system that something is a pathogen. Something that should be killed by the immune system when encountered. The problem is that isn’t what the subsequent jabs do – they merely massively trigger the immune system to fight the pathogen (the spike proteins) that the first jab was taught were to be eliminated. How do we know this? Because the immune system doesn’t really overreact on the first jab. It is only the second and subsequent ones that massively trigger the immune system (to eliminate the spike proteins wherever they are found).
Ask yourself, why do we need 2, 3, etc jabs, when one is usually sufficient for most vaccines?
Bruce Hayden:
There are plenty of other “jabs” for which one is insufficient.
Here’s the immunization schedule for common vaccines:
For adults.
For children up to 6 years.
For children over 6.
Just to take one example of many, polio:
Neo, I am absolutely certain I have read infinitely more than you on the subject, no matter how many posts you have written. As an “elderly frontline provider,” one of a large “frontline” group (who thought we were going to die for a while there based on what was happening in Italy), we have been highly motivated to become as familiar with this subject as possible. We read everything we could get our hands on, monitored social media sites (until they were censored), to best determine how we could avoid dying while taking care of our patients, and we still do. We wrote protocols for the hospital before the CDC promulgated theirs–ours were based on science and data. I have been well aware for over two years of the concerns about mRNA injections; the problems the platform presented over the past thirty years that kept them from ever being used in humans. I listened to testimony given by researchers at the FDA hearings as far back as spring 2021.
It is abundantly clear to this educated reader that despite your innate intelligence and interest, you do not have the context to fully evaluate what you are reading; your lack of understanding of the gravity of any/every case of myocarditis is clear. Be it two days or two weeks of symptoms, the myocardial damage is real, unknown to a large degree, and a threat. It doesn’t matter how many posts you’ve made on the subject–if you have never taken care of patients, if you’ve never seen an arrhythmia degenerate into death, you are not in a position to be speaking about “mild” myocarditis as though it is a mild cold.
We do learn from out experience, and mine is almost half a century now.
My fellowship–something one does after a residency–was focused on cardiology.
I’ve spent decades taking care of cardiac patients.
You are absolutely incorrect on your judgement about “internet scam stuff.”
You are repeating propaganda– BigPharma’s PR. You are being scammed by thinking there is nothing unusual about these injections.
They are NOTHING like attenuated or live virus vaccines–because they are experimental genetic therapy, and showing all the problems the mRNA platform has shown in thirty years of animal experiments, coupled with the problems the spike protein they manufacture causes systemically. Clots, inflammation, and neuritis.
We are seeing it. These patients are in our ICUs an in our ERs, our procedure rooms and ORs and cath labs. I don’t know who is telling you this isn’t happening, that this is “internet scam stuff,” but it is not a person involved in acute patient care in a busy hospital. I imagine just about any ER nurse, probably any MRI tech, can confirm this. Young people ARE dropping dead, or dying in their sleep, in noticeable numbers.
Huge numbers of hospital staff “declined the opportunity” to be boosted last fall when it was first offered, in light of the data currently available, and continue to decline. I am unaware of any system in the country enforcing the CMS mandate requiring it as of 4/6/22, nor has CMS withheld Medicare payment, as they said they would do.
With all the questionable gender surgeries, drug therapies, and vaccines, childhood in 1st world countries has become perilous:
10/20/2022
One in Every 500 Small Children Who Receive the Pfizer Vaccine are Hospitalised By It, Study Finds
Thank you Lee for confirming what I and a couple of friends have observed anecdotally. Just this evening my hair stylist (someone who has also resisted the Southern California massive propaganda pressure to get the shot) relayed to me that his client’s sister in Washington just got the booster this week and died that afternoon the very day–64 years old, no prior health issues. A neighbor noticed the garage door was open and investigated. She only made it home and then passed on. I can actually present a number of such circumstances. Our own experience, wherein fundamental care (providing oxygen) was denied resulting in a near-death experience exposed the fact that political science has been the operational foundation of these many months from the beginning. In the same manner that the MSM could not be trusted on every other issue these last 10 years, suffocating truth with a pillow at every juncture, I see no reason to vest trust in the institutions that have been proven reprobate and corrupt. As a Catholic, seeing the Pope and the College of Bishops promulgate the mrna vaccines as “this is how you show love for your neighbor” by getting the shots and the cherry on top, the Vatican being the 1st public institution to require the vaccine passport, the use of fetal stem-cell research to bring it to market exonerated, also tore down the curtain of integrity. Secular/religious, there has been and is a lot of foolishness afoot.
Some reasonably wonder if Covid vaxxing small children might be a form of statistical culling or post birth abortion. One hopes not, but with postmodern medicine, it’s a definite possibility.
Speaking of postmodern medicine, TheRealAnthonyFauciMovie.com is an excellent primer on the topic.
https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/96-doctors-in-quebec-call-for-an
96 doctors in Quebec call for an end to vaccinating children for COVID
“96 doctors in Quebec are sacrificing their careers to speak out!”
I hope that’s enough to blunt attempts at punishment… and to give courage to others to join in.
“There are plenty of other “jabs” for which one is insufficient.
Here’s the immunization schedule for common vaccines:”
Thanks. And, frankly, scary. My daughter is now 31, and they have gotten far more aggressive than when she was young. I expect that we would have opted out of some of the vaccines. Not the Tdap, living not far from Boulder, where enough parents opted out of Pertussis, that there wasn’t herd immunity, and instead a small epidemic, where some kids died. Definitely would have opted in to HPV, esp for a girl. We both had it. Likely opted out for Flu vaccines. What they didn’t say there is that the Flu vaccines often don’t prevent the virus, since there is often a significant vaccine mismatch with the currently circulating strains, since they are guessing a year out on which strains will predominate a year later, and they are often wrong.
Note the title for the second chart on each page: “Vaccine-Preventable Diseases and the Vaccines that Prevent Them”. Getting back to my Flu example, since it is a respiratory virus, most like SARS-CoV-2, the yearly vaccination suggestion is because the virus mutates significantly in several other species, and then jumps into our species from those others (most notably chickens and pigs). A given year’s Flu vaccine contains a mixture of what are expected to be this year’s primary strains. The various strains are different enough that protection from one strain doesn’t usually provide protection for others. Contrast this with the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines, where the exact same spikes (from the originally decoded genome from the Chinese from the first weeks of 2020) were utilized for multiple shots, including boosters, up until very recently, when Omicron spike producing mRNA was added (in the new “bivalent” vaccines). Omicron, of course, had mutated around those vaccines by the first of this year, and pushed Delta out of the US population last December. That means that we had 100% vaccine mismatch the first 9 months of the year, and 50% mismatch after that – that wouldn’t be a problem if the vaccines weren’t triggering autoimmune responses – but they apparently are. In fact, that is all that the original spikes do, and have done this year. And, as we all know now, these mRNA vaccines don’t prevent the virus at all. We have known that since the P Town Gay Fest in July of last year. And thanks to the 100% vaccine mismatch this year, they may have helped the virus to spread.
Further thoughts. Infants are separated from other kids for a very good reason here – they have very immature immune systems. That means that they probably have to vaccinate them multiple times to make the vaccinations stick. And the vaccines have to be weak enough that they don’t overpower their immature immune systems. Infants have always been the most vulnerable to disease – at least until we get to my age and older. We have a piece of a 4 sided grave marker where 4 of my great grandfather’s brothers all died at that age, in different years, from disease. For older kids, the CDC recommendations are spread through 16 years, with only HPV having a one time 3 shot series recommended. The rest are mostly once and Done.
Bruce Hayden:
Most vaccines are NOT one and done, even for adults or older children.
You are confusing apples and oranges – those schedules do not assume that the older children or adults have never been vaccinated before. They assume the earlier schedule has been followed. The suggestions are different for unvaccinated adults.
See this, for example:
Shingrix: 2-dose regimen.
More guidance for shots for unvaccinated adults here:
As for smallpox vaccines, because they are no longer given I’m having trouble finding the schedule, and I don’t want to waste too much time on it right now. But I’ve had several smallpox vaccinations, prior to the point where they were no longer given because smallpox had been eradicated. They had a fairly high proportion of serious reactions, by the way, but it was considered worth it because smallpox was such a terrible terrible disease.
I have no idea where you or anyone else got this “one and done” idea. It is absolutely not the norm for vaccines.
@Lee
A surprising number of my (roughly 70 year old) contemporaries have dropped over dead over the last year and a half, likely from cardiac issues. It seems to have struck the most healthy of them – including one in a bicycle race over Loveland Pass in CO. But then we also have a number of elite athletes, and a large group of Docs in Canada. One guy who survived had mild myocarditis after his second jab. After recovering from it, his employer required a booster. His second bout was severe enough that he had to retire.
It isn’t just heart issues, of course. Our step step son had a recurrence of the brain cancer they thought vanquished almost 50 years ago. Several MDs we know suspect mRNA vaccines. A couple other contemporaries have shown marked cognitive decline over the last year. Vaccine related? Maybe. We are at an age where death and disability starts to take us, but almost every one of those lost this last year could plausibly have had some vaccine related causation. My thoughts are that you may have seen it more dramatically, since your practice was cardiac related, and when your heart acts up, you often die.
BTW – do you have some references to the research that you mentioned into mRNA research over the last 30 years? I can see its allure, but I think that I understand what went wrong here – that the mRNA appears to survive in the system far longer than it should, pumping out spike proteins the entire time. My question more revolves around inherent problems and issues with the technology.
Any help that you can provide would be appreciated.
Me:
“Ask yourself, why do we need 2, 3, etc jabs, when one is usually sufficient for most vaccines?”
Neo:
“Bruce Hayden:
“There are plenty of other “jabs” for which one is insufficient.
“Here’s the immunization schedule for common vaccines:
“For adults.”
“For children up to 6 years.”
“For children over 6.”
Yet, you avoid my point – the 2nd jab is unnecessary, if the purpose is to teach the immune system to respond to the presence of a pathogen, and the recent Boosters don’t even pretend to do that, since we had a perfect, 100%, mismatch between the spike proteins generated by the mRNA and the spike proteins in the Omicron variants, from the first of the year, up to a couple weeks ago. Indeed, it has been argued that the mismatch is a direct result of the Omicron variants having mutated around the mRNA vaccines. This should have been expected, since that is what RNA respiratory viruses, like the Flu, as well as SARS, MERS, and SARS-2, do.
So, maybe to corral this discussion – What were the vaccines with mRNA generating archaic variant spikes, supposed to be doing against Omicron variants?
How do we know that the 2nd jab is unnecessary in teaching the immune system to recognize the archaic variant spike proteins? Because many, if not most, immune systems generate a significant immune response to the 2nd (and subsequent) jabs, but not to the first one (with a COVID-19 naive immune system). They are recognizing the spike proteins as identifying a pathogen, and reacting accordingly. Actually, they often massively overreact. A panel of Immune system assays before the first jab, before the second jab, and after it, show very different responses – the second jab apparently very often depletes many of these immune system components – but only after the 2nd jab.
Bruce Hayden:
You have failed to see MY point.
The point I was making is that you were wrong about something rather basic: the fact that most vaccines are not “one and done.” So, when you talk about what’s wrong with the COVID vaccine – and you cited that it takes more than one shot to be effective, and that that fact differentiates it from other vaccines – that is just plain wrong. Other vaccines typically need more than one shot, and that was my basic point.
As for the rest of your information (about spike proteins, etc), you didn’t provide a link to where you’re getting the information and what it signifies. That means that anyone reading your comment and seeking understanding of your point, and what you base it on, is in the dark. It would be more helpful to readers to supply links.
Obviously an mRNA vaccine works differently than previous types of vaccines, that’s certainly the case. As far as Omicron and the vaccine go, it is well known that many vaccinated people nevertheless get Omicron, and that the booster effectiveness wanes after a while, but it is also the case that Omicron almost always causes mild disease. The vaccines and boosters were developed for earlier variants, and fortunately Omicron is nowhere near as dangerous. I also think that a lot of people who got one booster are not getting another, because of concerns about extremely diminishing returns, and possible immune system weakening. For example, 68% of Americans have gotten 2 COVID shots, but less than 4% (as of a month ago) have gotten the updated bivalent booster. I think most people have decided it’s reached a point of diminishing returns.
}}} but this committee’s recommendation will be used by blue states to require it.
…And if you’re still living in a blue state, after all this, then that is *exactly* what you deserve.