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(1) Down the Dow goes.

(2) The “Officer Sicknick was bludgeoned to death” lie persists. That persistence is the point of the propaganda in the first place.

(3) Kurt Schlichter ♥ DeSantis.

(4) “Martha’s Vineyard Takes Revenge on DeSantis By Shipping Him 50 Karens”. Yes, it’s the Bee.

(5) When is a fetal heartbeat not a fetal heartbeat? When the Democrats say it isn’t.

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  1. 1) The worst market crash ever awaits. Engineered by the democrat leadership.

    2) “By their fruits shall ye know them”

    3) If Trump runs, De Santis cannot win.

    4) The last remaining satirists…

    5) Georgia Democrat Stacey Abrams attempts to set a new low.

  2. 1) no mean tweets,

    2) that story still doesn’t make sense, how do 5 professional police officers, I don’t include mike byrd in this, die under not particularly strenuous circumstances

    5)when you have no soul, you can easily pretend children have no heart, that’s why it’s good that she’s only shadow governor,

  3. As the Dow sinks, Brandon rises to the occasion by reminiscing about a long-ago encounter with a little girl: The Perv-in-chief shocked viewers of his Friday speech to teachers when he recognized an audience member and told the crowd, “She was 12, I was 30.” Biden lit up social media with the confounding and seemingly inappropriate aside. He did not say what he did when he was 30 and the woman was a preteen. “You gotta say hi to me,” Biden said mid-speech at the National Education Association headquarters in DC. “We go back a long way. She was 12, I was 30. But anyway, this woman helped me get an awful lot done.”
    The audience of teachers and union members laughed and cheered at the bawdy remark.

    https://nypost.com/2022/09/23/biden-leaves-viewers-stunned-in-teachers-speech-she-was-12-i-was-30/

    But no mean tweets.

  4. RE:UFOs

    “All this visible universe is not unique in nature and we must believe there are, in other regions of space, other worlds, other beings and other men.”

    – Lucretius 99-55 BC

    While the former head of the government’s AATIP program investigating UFOs, Lou Elizondo, has largely been the very visible public face of the movement for government investigation and transparency on the issue of UFOs/UAPs, Christopher Mellon, the former Minority Staff Director of the Senate Intelligence Committee and, subsequently, the Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence, has apparently been the “inside” person, who has been working behind the scenes to use his government contacts to advance such investigation and transparency.

    Both Elizondo and Mellon have had more experience in this area, are more informed, and have seen far more information—both classified and unclassified—on this issue than, I’d bet, almost anyone else.

    This very recent article by Chris Mellon titled, “The Paradox of the Fermi Paradox,” is an important step toward attaining that investigation and transparency.

    See https://thedebrief.org/the-paradox-of-fermis-paradox/

  5. P.S. In the above linked article, one of the things that Mellon points out is that, at the very same time Fermi was famously asking “where are they,” formerly classified communications have revealed that the military personnel responsible for the defense of the atomic laboratories where Fermi and others worked where worried about the very many UFOs which were constantly being seen snooping around–over and around these labs.

  7. The Biden comment:

    I suspect the woman told Biden’s handlers that they once knew each other, and that Biden could look non-demented by “recognizing her” in the audience. He screwed it up by mentioning ages. It’s what he does.

  8. Stacey Abrams is as dumb as a fencepost. It is an impenetrable kind of stupid, like a foot of lead shielding.

  9. no if she were mere stupid, she wouldn’t continue with this pernicious lie, this is a death cult, that wants to deny biology, and physics and probably organic chemistry, (see andromeda strain)

  12. Snow on pines:

    So where are they? Hiding out in some dark dank warehouse, say in Hoffman Estates, with BHO’s classified docs and The Arc of the Covenant? Since the UFOs are especially interested in nuke stuff they should be all over Roosia, North Korea, and Iran. And they should have been all over Syria, at least before Israel bombed that clandestine location 10-15 years ago.

  13. Who knows they clearly havent been able to ascertain this and theyve had 75 years thereabouts

  14. Om—Such UFOs have apparently been very active all over the world, are very interested in things nuclear and, in the case of Russia, there are reports that such UFOs were even able to turn on nuclear armed Russian ICBM’s launch sequences ’til frantic Russian soldiers managed to turn those launch sequences off.

    In the US, UFOs did just the opposite, and in the famous Malmstrom AFB incident–and reportedly others–were able to deactivate US. ICBMs.

    See, for instance, Robert L. Hastings 2017 book, “UFOs and Nukes: Extraordinary Encounters at Nuclear Weapons Sites.”

    https://www.amazon.com/UFOs-Nukes-Extraordinary-Encounters-Nuclear/dp/1544822197

  15. Snow on Pine @ 8:39pm,

    Your Lucretius quote is almost certainly from (or supposed to be from) his De Rerum Natura, but I’m having trouble sourcing it. I’ve found others on line attributing the same cluster of words to him, and it matches things that would kinda, sorta be in De Rerum Natura, but some of the terms seem ahead of their time by about 2,000 years.

    “Space,” for example. Science was still taking about “ether” and “phlogiston” a few hundred years ago. The consensus was that the heavenly bodies traveled through the “air*” just as birds and volcanic ash do. And “other worlds?” Even the planets of our solar system observable with the naked eye were considered “wandering stars” in Lucretius’ time. The world was the world. The seas were the seas and the heavens were the heavens. There was a lot of speculation of other types of beings yet to be discovered ON Earth, but that wording attributed to Lucretius just seems very out of step with how the Earth and heavens were viewed in Lucretius’ time.

    I’m on a slow internet connection but I’ll keep trying to research it. If I’m wrong I’ll return to eat crow, but my guess is it is (at best) a very bastardized translation of words Lucretius wrote that greatly manipulate his intent and meaning.

    *And it took Joseph Priestley a lot of experimentation about 1,700 years later to ferret out precisely what “air” is.

  16. Snow on Pine,

    So…

    Your quote might be right, but even if it is, (I’m having trouble proving it’s a translation from Lucrerius {De Rerum Natura is a l-o-n-g poem!}) Lucretius probably didn’t mean what modern readers would understand from those words. He did, apparently, believe other worlds have formed and may form again from arrangements of atoms, but it seems more like an infinite forming and reforming of matter.

    Regarding his view on the heavens, wikipedia has this, which seems consistent with the science of his day* (bolding by Rufus) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_rerum_natura#Main_ideas:

    Lucretius provides two possible explanations: that the sky itself rotates, or that the sky as a whole is stationary while constellations move. If the latter is true, Lucretius, notes, this is because: “either swift currents of ether whirl round and round and roll their fires at large across the nocturnal regions of the sky”; “an external current of air from some other quarter may whirl them along in their course”; or “they may swim of their own accord, each responsive to the call of its own food, and feed their fiery bodies in the broad pastures of the sky”. Lucretius concludes that “one of these causes must certainly operate in our world… But to lay down which of them it is lies beyond the range of our stumbling progress.”

    *To his credit; living in a time with no microscopes or telescopes, he does a decent job of philosophizing the nature of atoms and heavenly bodies through unaided observation and thought.

  17. Snow on Pine,

    And, of course, none of my statements refute (or confirm) the existence of UFOs or little men, green or otherwise. It’s just that I don’t think people started thinking about visitors from other worlds until humankind had a concept of other worlds (15th? 16th? century).

    As you are aware, mankind has been observing and reporting on supernatural phenomena for all of history, and the process is to fit the reportage around the religion, science and/or lore of the time; gods, fairies, leprechauns, animal spirits, departed human spirits, nymphs, elves… Even if there were space aliens in Lucretius’ day and folks were being contacted by them; they would tell the tale using the nomenclature of the zeitgeist; the god Mercury descended from Olympus. A vision of Eos or Eros. Satyrs.

  18. As I increasingly believe, the UFO phenomena is a very major issue, and if UFOs prove to be extraterrestrial or something similar, the biggest most consequential issue of all; a true, revolutionary “game changer.”

    The more I learn about the UFO phenomena, the more I see it as a very broad and complex phenomena with many different parts to it.

    A phenomena which is pointing in the direction of us needing a new, deeper, and much broader understanding of human consciousness, and what is increasingly looking like a Reality that is far more complex, mysterious, multi-layered, and perhaps more bizarre than what we currently understand it to be.

    First, to be understood is that we are talking here about the top 5% or so of UFO sightings; the other 95% have ordinary explanations and can be explained.

    Those top 5%, though, cannot be easily—or at all–explained and dismissed.

    One thing I have come to suspect is that, given all of the different sizes, shapes, colors, and behaviors of various UFOs, we may perhaps be dealing with several different advanced entities/species of aliens, or alien civilizations, each with their own and perhaps conflicting agendas.

    What do they want—to study us for some reason, to take plant, mineral, or genetic resources from our planet or solar system that are vital to them, to be amused by us and our antics—are we humans bizarre and raucous “reality TV” for aliens, are they scouting us for eventual takeover, are they our “zookeepers,” or are they perhaps here to “save” us, etc., etc.? Take your pick.

    Who knows?

    What are they? AIs, biological entities, some of one, some of the other?

    What is their nature and where do they come from?

    Are they benevolent, malevolent, neutral, or can they be any one of the three, depending on the circumstances?

    Do they even care to interact with us?

    Are they true extraterrestrials, are they, say, some sort of natural earthly biological or physical phenomenon, are they from another until now hidden ancient and advanced earthly human civilization, or some other ancient earthly non-human species, are they AIs—perhaps Von Neumann probes, are they from another dimension, or some sort of time travelers from the past or future, and could we be dealing with a number of distinctly different sets of observers/visitors?

    It is to answer all of these questions that we need access to and transparency about any data which has already been collected at least over these last almost 80 years and, then, going forward, we need serious, transparent, and massive data collection and intense and very organized study of this UFO phenomena by large numbers of our best scientists and researchers who are able to communicate and cooperate without restrictions and share what they have found, to try to come up with all the answers that we presently don’t have, but very urgently need.

  19. Neo, they’ve been making that argument for awhile now. I was listening to my local NPR station and their “medical expert” made a similar argument how it’s not really a heart.(Like you I looked it up.) The problem is that even though they treat him like he’s a medical expert, Art Caplan isn’t a medical expert, he’s a historian. What’s even more ironic is he works at NYU medical school as an ethicist. (Which you’d think is really unethical. Admittedly he did audit some medical school classes when he was getting his history degree but yes, he doesn’t come across as very knowledgeable to me.)

  20. Snow on Pine:

    What is your point? I could really use a TL;DR somewhere at the top or bottom of your comments.

    I saw a UFO when I was a young teen, never forgot it, and I have followed UFO developments since.

    I agree it’s an important issue. Something seems to be percolating at High Levels of the Government. But that’s been the case since Spielberg’s “Close Encounters” movie came out.

    I’m not waiting up nights for the Big UFO Disclosure. I could be wrong, but I don’t think it’s super-advanced alien tech from Zeta Reticuli, as Betty and Barney Hill seemed to indicate in their famous 1961 abduction.

    –“The Zeta Reticuli Incident”
    https://astronomy.com/bonus/zeta

    I am not troubled reconciling the Fermi Paradox and UFOs. I’m not sure where UFOs come from or what they really are. But I doubt they are from Zeta Reticuli or anywhere else on a star chart.

    I could be wrong.

    However, I do weary of Van Daniken-style shotgun questions.

    Sure, the government is lying about something regarding UFOs. It’s hard to say what or how important it might be.

  21. huxley said, “Sure, the government is lying about something regarding UFOs. It’s hard to say what or how important it might be.”

    The gummint doesn’t want people to know when the mothership is returning to pick up Brandon. His brain was abducted to Zeta Reticuli long ago.

  24. The Schlichter column was very positive on DeSantis but I would not go so far as to say that it proves he ‘hearts’ him. The main thrust of column was giving a very good explanation of why ‘DeSantis should be Trump’s VP in 2024’ or ‘Desantis should wait until 2028’ are not good options for DeSantis personally. I didn’t see much in there that argued for him being the GOP nominee in 2024, only that if he has the Presidential ambition 2024 is the logical cycle to make his run with the implication that pro-Trump people should not be upset about the effort.

  25. Huxley—My point is that if each year we have apparently thousands of UFOs which appear everywhere–spread over virtually the entire globe, these UFOs have flight characteristics which our increasingly sophisticated sensors can see and measure but which we cannot even come close to matching, these UFOs move with impunity through our airspace—including restricted military airspace, underwater, and apparently in near Earth orbit and beyond, they cluster over nuclear related sites, shadow our military forces, sometimes interfere with our military exercises, and our and other nation’s nuclear armed ICBMs, and those who have close physical contact with them often suffer physical and/or mental harm, then, given the entirety of this pattern of behavior, such UFOs are at least a definite “national security threat,” and we have an urgent need to know who and what they are, what the motives are of those who pilot or direct them, why they are here, and what they want.

    This not something that we can just ignore and pretend doesn’t exist.

  26. Relative to DeSantis or Trump. I would prefer DeSantis as the nominee in 2024 because I think we would win decisively. I love what Trump did for the country but he comes with baggage that could make an easily winnable election perilous.

    This comes from cold analytical pragmatism is should not be taken as ignorance of how 2020 was a stolen election in which the theft started in 2016 right after he win. But that’s history. If you want revenge that can only be achieved by a decisive 2024 win. I would count on President DeSantis to enact revenge through investigations, indictments and jail time where appropriate.

  27. In the mid-Fifties, Maj Ruppelt, USAF, wrote “The Report on Unidentified Flying Objects”. He was in charge of the investigation at the time.
    There are a number of interesting issues: At one point, he convened a panel of shrinks who concluded it was mass hysteria due to war nerves. He didn’t have to explain that to his readers.

    A couple of things still seem interesting: He took the ten best sightings to Wright Patterson AFB for an intel analysis. Five were determined to be controlled by intelligent forces. End of page. End of chapter. End of subject. Huh?

    And there was a sighting by the pilot of a P47 flying what may as well have been Combat Air Patrol over Oak Ridge. At night.
    So what we have is the government thinks it’s worth it to have obsolete WW II fighters doing donuts over Oak Ridge. That’s fuel, flight pay for the pilots, mechanical requirements, gas. Hours on the aircraft were not relevant, as we has thousands left over and could easily scrap them and get more.
    What were they thinking? Oak Ridge is pretty far from any ocean. Was he supposed to strafe anybody busting through the gate?
    What were they thinking and why? Like to know.
    As with the mass hysteria, he didn’t explain it. Could be he figured everybody knew…whatever at the time. Or he didn’t want to explain the reason to the rest of us.

  28. This not something that we can just ignore and pretend doesn’t exist.

    I lived through the 70s, and I’m one of the younger posters here. People will lose interest again.

  30. This might catch their attention:
    “”Have They Gone Completely Mad?” They Know That They Are Killing The Economy, But They Are Doing It Anyway”—
    https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/have-they-gone-completely-mad-they-know-they-are-killing-economy-they-are-doing-it-anyway

    …as the crises circus that’s being conjured up by the powers that be continues to “develop” quite nicely….

    “Buy Back Better”, anyone?
    How ’bout “Inflaction Reduction [it’s all an] Act”?
    (Guess that “JOBS BOOM” just went kabooooom…)

    + Bonus:
    “Biden’s Deceptively Strong Economy”—
    https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2022-04-01/bidens-deceptively-strong-economy
    (You can ALWAYS count on the Mainstream Corrupt Media…)

  32. Ever since Roswell in 1947–and perhaps even earlier (see, for instance, the Trinity crash in 1945)–there has been an ongoing struggle within our government/DOD/the Intelligence services between those who want to keep information about UFOs secret and bottled up (meanwhile conducting disinformation operations to stifle any public interest in this subject) and those who want more of this information to be more widely known, and the public kept informed and told the truth. *

    Usually it has been those in favor of secrecy who have won these periodic struggles.

    Starting with the landmark December 2017 New York Times article revealing the existence of the DOD’s secret AATIP program to study UFOs, the release of the three Navy UFO videos–later acknowledged by the DOD to be genuine—and, thereafter, Lou Elizondo’s myriad of TV, podcast, and Internet appearances, the informed and influential articles written by Chris Mellon, and other pro-disclosure information, events, and activities—and, more recently, no matter how disappointing and deflective, the first Congressional hearing on the subject of UFOs in five decades–it looked like those wanting more and serious focus on this issue and transparency were winning.

    But while some small amount of information has dribbled out from the Navy, nothing has been heard from the Air Force or Space Force (who made no appearance at the Congressional hearing on UFOs), the military services which have the duty to protect our air space and, now, near Earth orbit, and which have, by far, the most surveillance assets covering from ground level to outer space.

    In a change of heart, the Navy has very recently refused FOIA requests to release more of the videos/information they hold on UFOs, citing a recently produced DOD classification manual which says that any and all information on UFOs–including any pictures or videos—is and should be classified.

    Members of Congress are not pleased at being stonewalled or lied to about this subject by DOD, and Congress is in the process of considering very comprehensive, specific, and forceful bipartisan legislation to make it possible for those past or present government employees who have signed NDAs or have Security clearances to testify to Congress about what they know about UFOs without any penalties or repercussions, to force the DOD to divulge the information they have on UFOs and to list and acknowledge whatever they may have done in this area since January 1947, to gather information on UFOs from the widest possible collection of both military and civilian sources, and to seriously perform research on this subject.

    We will see who wins.

    * See Jacques Vallee and Paola Harris’ “Trinity: The Best Kept Secret” at https://www.amazon.com/TRINITY-Best-Kept-Jacques-F-Vall%C3%A9e/dp/B094ZQ1GW5

  33. I will say this- if there are aliens visiting the Earth in space ships, then I will take that as proof our reality is a computer program like the Matrix.

  35. This not something that we can just ignore and pretend doesn’t exist.

    Snow on Pine:

    We can and mostly have. From what I can tell UFOs have always been with humanity and still are.

    Sure, there are thousands of UFO sightings each year. Yes, I know. I check those websites now and then.

    It is unsettling that we don’t seem to know what they are, but beyond sightings they rarely have any effect on our world and don’t seem to pose a threat.

    UFOs have been and still are a mystery, but we can’t do anything about them, so they’ve become background noise. It’s not surprising.

    I’d rather we understood UFOs and I wish scientists could investigate them without limiting their careers, but I don’t expect that to change any time soon.

    I’ve been reading UFO buffs for decades now, saying the UFO story is just about to bust wide open, but it never happens.

  36. Before everyone gets excited about aliens please look at this site which plausibly deconstructs alien visitation:

    Yawrate:

    Before you get too excited and believe UFOs have been debunked or metabunked, please read the wiki entry on Dr. John Hynek, who was a high-profile astronomer and worked on the USAF UFO investigations, Project Sign and Project Blue Book. Hynek started off as a complete skeptic, then changed his mind.
    _____________________________

    As UFO reports continued to be made, some of the testimonies, especially by military pilots and police officers, were deeply puzzling to Hynek. He once said, “As a scientist I must be mindful of the lessons of the past; all too often it has happened that matters of great value to science were overlooked because the new phenomenon did not fit the accepted scientific outlook of the time.”[6]

    In a 1985 interview, when asked what caused his change of opinion, Hynek responded, “Two things, really. One was the completely negative and unyielding attitude of the Air Force. They wouldn’t give UFOs the chance of existing, even if they were flying up and down the street in broad daylight. Everything had to have an explanation. I began to resent that, even though I basically felt the same way, because I still thought they weren’t going about it in the right way. You can’t assume that everything is black no matter what. Secondly, the caliber of the witnesses began to trouble me. Quite a few instances were reported by military pilots, for example, and I knew them to be fairly well-trained, so this is when I first began to think that, well, maybe there was something to all this.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Allen_Hynek#Turnaround

  37. One of the conundra–pretentious, I know–about recent sightings is that the Navy footage shows a blur on the screen. Its performance is attested to by the conversations between the pilot and RIO. Apparently the aircraft is following it so the blur doesn’t move very far from the center of the screen.
    I’ve been told any reasonably competent twelve year old could insert the blur into the footage, or put it on top of the footage when preparing a copy for release.
    So we’re left to think what? That’s the best the Navy’s instrumentation can do? They’re trying to, in effect, redact any details? By looking sort of first-level sloppy, they’re asserting genuine because any fake would look better?
    Maybe twenty years ago, the AF said they’d cleared 96% of unanswered sightings by connecting them to actual aircraft, mostly experimental secret stuff.
    What that means, if true, is that whoever saw the thing, whatever it was, was not having hallucinations nor just making stuff up. And if it’s not true, then it means they want you to think whoever’s pretending the clearances wants you to think the reporter was actually seeing an actual thing. Who wins with that one?

  39. RE: UFOs–the problem I have is that when you start to dig–start from 1945 and move upward in time, and sift out the 95% of explainables, you see that the remaining 5% of unexplainable reports are piling up—good evidence with, increasingly, multiple modes of simultaneous technological observation, and presented by credible witnesses—you see that there is something out there, that UFOs are real.

    This ain’t that ol’ dingbat, Aunt Martha, who saw a light in the sky after too much “shine,” this is more wide-spread and better and better evidence.

    So much good evidence, for instance, from military pilots and observers that the DOD has grudgingly, sorta, in a sideways kind of way admitted in its reports on this subject to Congress that UFOs are real.

    Moreover, some recent proposed Congressional legislation even uses language which implies that UFOs are not human technology. *

    When it dawns on you that this phenomena is one that is world-wide, and one that’s seemingly accelerating—that more and more UFOs have been and are being seen over the U.S., over the countries of Europe, all over South America, Asia, Australia and the Pacific, over and in bodies of water everywhere and–according to hints, here and there–in Earth orbit and perhaps beyond, it just seems to me that this is surveillance and interference which, given it’s least and most benign interpretation, is becoming increasingly intolerable for both military and commercial flight operations, done by some unknown entity or entities, and that it would be a grave error to ignore and refuse to thoroughly investigate what certainly seems to be a threat to our national security.

    * See https://thehill.com/opinion/3610916-congress-implies-ufos-have-non-human-origins/

  40. the fact they don’t know what it is, is concerning, I didn’t say aliens, or transdimensional craft, I didn’t rule it out either,

  41. P.S. The mere fact that there is at least one well-attested to incident of UFOs being able to interfere with the electronics of some of our nuclear-armed ICBMs in 1967 at Malmstrom AFB (it would be funny if it weren’t scary how the two high level representatives from DOD at the first Congressional Hearing in 50 years on UFOs claimed not to have any knowledge, or any “official” knowledge, of this very famous incident) to make them un-launchable (and there are mentions of other such incidents with our ICBMs as well) testifies to the fact that these UFOs are a bona fide “national security threat.” *

    * See https://www.howandwhys.com/ufos-hacked-malmstrom-afb-nuke-system/

    * See also https://www.theblackvault.com/documentarchive/ufo-case-malmstrom-afb-ufomissile-incident-march-16-1967/

    * And, finally, this at https://en.everybodywiki.com/Malmstrom_Air_Force_Base_UFO_incident

  42. Occam’s Razor, because ICBM launch systems and electronics are 100% reliable and always have been, therefore UFOs. Whatever.

  43. om–Actually, looking through some of the the paperwork cited above, it appears that, after exhaustive investigations, the best the technical experts could come up with was that the ICBM’s electronic launch systems, which were found to be in working order, were interfered with by some sort of externally generated EMP.

    So, after this, new electronics, which where thought to offer protection against such externally generated EMPs, were installed to protect these ICBM control systems.

  44. It is said, whatever that means, that four Russian pilots have died in “encounters” with alien craft. Who went after who is not specified.
    If true you’d think there would be something similar happening here.
    Maybe some nutcase made it up and it got some juice. I expect it would.
    Or possible disinformation for….great big debunking to teach us all a lesson.

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