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Open thread 8/24/22 — 34 Comments

  1. Missed yesterday’s thread about feminism. The most shocking thing a young woman can say today is, “I just want to find a good man to care for, have a lot of children, stay at home to raise them right and love and support my family.”

  2. Not only have there been Jews in China for over a thousand years, there have also been Christians and Muslims. A lot happened on the Silk Road that is known almost entirely by specialists. Today ethnically Chinese Muslims descended from the Silk Road times are a designated minority known as Hui, and the men are frequently named Ma, for Mohammed.

    In Japan Buddhist temples are sometimes decorated with wine grapes. This is because some of the Greek kingdoms founded by Alexander’s armies in Central Asia converted to Buddhism, and spread Buddhism, along with images of wine grapes and Hercules, to China and then to Japan. The Chinese called these Greeks Dayuan.

    Not only religions. Trebuchets, for example, came to China along the Silk Road. They were called hui hui pao, “Muslim weapons”.

    There are ancient books in China that describe what was known to them about the West. At the other end of the world, they said, there was another China. It was ruled by an Emperor from a city called Antioch. They didn’t speak Chinese there and wore funny hats but other than that it was a lot like China.

  3. I think a lot of people have the impression that Marco Polo was the first European to visit China, but the Roman (Chinese: Daqin) and Byzantine (Chinese: Fulin) empires sent embassies which are documented in Chinese histories but were largely forgotten by Marco Polo’s time. The earliest dates from the year 166 (Emperor Marcus Aurelius), and the last from 1081 (Emperor Michael VII).

    Marco Polo arrived in 1275. During his time there he may have encountered the Prince of Fulin, a Byzantine named Joseph (Chinese: Ai-sie) ennobled by Kublai Khan for his accomplishments in medicine and astronomy, who had sons named Elias (Chinese: Ye-li-ah), Luke (Chinese: Lu-ko), and Antony (Chinese: An-tun).

  4. I’m surprised that Snow on Pine hasn’t already posted a link to an article about Congressional concern about UFOs: After years of revelations about strange lights in the sky, first hand reports from Navy pilots about UFOs, and governmental investigations, Congress seems to have admitted something startling in print: it doesn’t believe all UFOs are “man-made.” Buried deep in a report that’s an addendum to the Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2023, a budget that governs America’s clandestine services, Congress made two startling claims. The first is that “cross-domain transmedium threats to the United States national security are expanding exponentially.” The second is that it wants to distinguish between UFOs that are human in origin and those that are not: “Temporary nonattributed objects, or those that are positively identified as man-made after analysis, will be passed to appropriate offices and should not be considered under the definition as unidentified aerospace-undersea phenomena,” the document states.

    https://www.vice.com/en/article/3adadb/congress-admits-ufos-not-man-made-says-threats-increasing-exponentially

    On another spending-money-like-a-drunken-sailor front, Brandon has finally revealed his plan to forgive as much as $20,000 in student loan debt for most of the 47 million Americans with federal student loans, canceling more than $300 billion in debt used to finance higher education. Details at the link:

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/white-house/biden-mass-student-loan-forgiveness-program

    As always, your tax dollars at work.

  5. Mars Attacks and Idiocracy now on a loop in WA DC.

    Suspension of disbelief no longer applies.

  6. That certainly would be a sign of extraterrestrial intelligence.

    Brandon would be last seen staring at the shiney light in the sky and thinking of ice cream cones.

  7. As we sink into a Red Sea of ink, it looks like our betters are choosing inflation as the solution.

    $30 trillion and counting– make that $31 trillion with Biden transferring college loans to the national debt. Welcome Socialism 101. We can now all rejoice together as the bill for four years of hearty partying with a sheepskin as the door prize won’t come due. Because that’s how Socialism works. Some work, some benefit, and we all rejoice.

    Why not? The federal government has $6 trillion in assets and $130 trillion in liabilities. If it were a private company, the US government would be bankrupt.
    Might as well go full Socialist and forgive all loans! Wait, I need to go buy a new car first.

  8. I worked and paid my own way through college, no loans, while taking a full load of classes. It took me six years to graduate and all I got for it was a lousy diploma.

    What a chump I was.

  9. Years ago, well before the Internet, I read in a book that Chou En-lai/Zhou Enlai was Jewish, as seen by his surname. Not sure where I read it. I haven’t been able to find anything online that supports that claim.

    Here is one possible support for the claim.

    The Chinese have even passed the evolutionary test of completely absorbing the few thousand Jews who began settling in China after the Roman persecutions. The Jews and the Chinese had much in common. The Confucian ethical traditions of tolerance and skepticism made the absorption of the ancient Chinese Jews inevitable. By the end of the eighteenth century, the Chinese Jews who had their cultural center in Kai Feng Fu (Kaifeng) had essentially been completely assimilated and were indistinguishable from other Chinese. The most illustrious Chinese-Jewish families were descendants of the fifteenth century Jewish court physician, Yen Cheng, who had the surname Chao confirmed on him by the Chinese emperor. The assimilated Jews became mandarins and land owners, but they together with China continued to sleep. A new wave of Jewish immigrants began to come to China in the mid-nineteenth century, but even at their peak in World War II they only numbered about 26,000. Since the Communist takeover in 1949, the more recent Jewish immigrants have almost all left China.

    http://www.see.org/garcia/e-ms-dex.htm chapter 7

  10. Gringo,
    I believe his name was Joseph Ben-Levy before his father felt that he wouldn’t get anywhere near the Forbidden City, or the equivalent, with that moniker.

    And Mao’s name was Moses (Moshe) Dann before his father felt the same.

    (And yes, I’m pulling your leg…)

  11. Notice how many young athletes, and other relatively young people in presumably good shape are suddenly dropping like flies post COVID vaccinations?

  12. Snow on Pine: Yes this has been a topic for close on to a year.
    Sample, not an early one either:
    Click on through the TWO warnings lol.
    https://youtu.be/99Iy8Dbxh2U

    Official response:
    1) NOT due to the vaccine
    2) Because reasons
    3) And we won’t look deeper into it

  13. I pointed out on another thread yesterday that Joe Biden temporarily halted a $200 million shipment of lethal aid to Ukraine in the fall of 2021, as part of a strategy to force Russia to withdraw troops on the border. Which is an odd strategy, but whatever.

    What about the $40 billion aid package Congress passed in May. It will increase spending from early packages funded about $35 million/day to April when the support was about $100 million/day to this package that increases support to $135 million/day.

    “The Congressional Budget Office estimates that about $5 billion of the $40 billion will spend out in this fiscal year and the next (FY 2022 and FY 2023). However, $14 billion will spend out in FY 2026 and after, while some money will not be spent until FY 2031.”— according to a CSIS article.
    That’s assuming Ukraine will exist as an independent sovreign nation in 2031.

    There’s plenty of pork in there and the CBO acknowledges the “Christmas tree effect” where unrelated items are tacked onto a spending bill.

    Looking back, it would have been cheaper had Obama responded to the Crimea annexation rather than kicking the can. It certainly looks like Obama and Biden have been good for Russia.
    Our government is a dysfunctional mess.

    https://www.csis.org/analysis/what-does-40-billion-aid-ukraine-buy

  14. PA+CAT–Hate to disappoint you.

    RE:UFOs

    Take a look at this overall very informative episode, out today, of “Need To Know,” in which very eminent and well-respected Stanford Immunologist and Nobel Prize nominee Professor Garry Nolan–who is very well informed on the subject of UFOs, and is involved in research dealing with them, what they may be composed of, and their deleterious and measurable effects on the bodies and brains of humans who come into too close contact with them–is interviewed (starting at about minute 35) giving his vary frank views on UFOs.

    See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSZUBulON6I&t=1s

  15. The NYT as quoted at ace.mu.nu

    The new law amends the Clean Air Act, the country’s bedrock air-quality legislation, to define the carbon dioxide produced by the burning of fossil fuels as an “air pollutant.”

    Our Congress has granted the EPA the power to regulate a gas all animals (including humans) exhale as part of respiration necessary for life.

    What a vile assembly of power mad vipers.

  16. miguel cervantes on August 24, 2022 at 2:15 pm said:
    the alien advance team is in the cabinet,

    thread winner!

    and their space craft is hidden underwater near Obama’s costal estate.

  17. Listened to Andrew Weismann on MSNBC criticizing the DOJ memo which was been released reaching the conclusion not to charge then President Trump with obstruction in the Robert Meuller witch hunt.

    It looks like the typical CYA famous in bureaucratic institutions.

    Of course, he suggested while the memo recommended against the obstruction charge since there was no underlying crime (collusion with Russia) there was also not enough evidence beyond a reasonable doubt of a crime of obstruction of justice of the investigation.

    Weissman said they should have asked us again– implying Meuller would have charged him, even if he couldn’t be prosecuted as a sitting president.

    I could be wrong, but I think Weissman hinted Garland should look at that.

    https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2022-08/barr-unredacted-memo_0.pdf

  18. The ignorance of the Left is almost unfathomable.
    I thought about putting these Tweets on that thread, but I didn’t want to detract from the fisking of the WaPo writer & her commenters, and these are specifically about the illegal, and immoral, Student Loan Forgiveness Decree by HRH Brandon the First.

    https://twitter.com/RachelPopp7/status/1562167036285009922
    “Forgiveness means cancellation of loans. It does not come out of the federal budget. No one pays for it via taxes. Stop with the lies.”

    Clearly the money given to the colleges on behalf of the students simply appeared magically out of the ether. Does she even understand what a loan is?
    To be fair, since the money for the payments was printed without any underlying financial basis, that may be more correct than I gave her credit for.

    https://twitter.com/AnthonyMKreis/status/1562466431479885825
    “Preemptively posting this.”
    (presumably to skewer the most common conservative objection to the decree)
    (shows a ghoulish variant of the Trolley problem, and a smarmy caption)
    “Would it be fair to the people the trolley has already killed to divert it now?”

  19. Best yet on the Student Loan Decree.
    Click the first tweet to see Burge’s graphics and charts.

    https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2022/08/25/straight-fire-iowahawk-leaves-no-stone-unturned-in-thread-that-gets-to-the-heart-of-everything-wrong-with-bidens-student-loan-bailout/

    Related: Batya starts a discussion – replies are about evenly divided between pro and con arguments & assertions; makes a good comparative study in ideology.

    https://twitter.com/bungarsargon/status/1562557782070808581

    I just don’t know how these people making $100K a year look people in the face who change seniors’ bedpans for a living or drive a truck or work the railroad or stock grocery shelves or deliver their Amazon packages and say, “You, yes you, give me $10K.” I just don’t get it.

    And a hard-hitting meme out of that thread:
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fa8v-OSXwAAuij7?format=jpg&name=900×900

  20. When the Left loses the Washington Post …
    https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2022/08/25/wapo-editorial-boards-take-on-joe-biden-canceling-student-loan-debt-might-not-be-what-you-were-expecting/

    “Biden’s student loan announcement is a regressive, expensive mistake”

    “Mr. Biden’s student loan decision will not do enough to help the most vulnerable Americans. It will, however, provide a windfall for those who don’t need it — with American taxpayers footing the bill.”

    To be clear, the piece could’ve gone at Joe Biden harder (in the first paragraph, the Board writes that “President Biden has generally embraced sensible reforms over flashy gimmicks,” which is not even remotely true), but we’ll take what we can get. Especially since WaPo knew that they’d be pissing off some of their devoted readership:

    But here’s a part NOT quoted by Twitchy, which would only add fuel to the fire.
    Iowahawk’s suggestions would do much better at ending the problem, but that’s not the goal of the Left at all.

    https://archive.ph/uTXmS#selection-741.25-803.200
    (from the Wayback Machine)

    [Biden] would have been wise to focus on reforms that help the neediest.
    His proposal to make the income-driven repayment program more generous at least targets a program that scales the help people get with their incomes. But a better approach would focus on expanding Pell Grants and other college finance programs pinpointed to the truly needy. Mr. Biden’s latest budget proposal called for doubling the maximum awards for Pell Grants by 2029 — a measure that would make college more affordable for low-income families for years to come. And, as with other worthy programs, Congress and the Biden administration should find a credible way to pay for such an expansion, rather than just adding more to the national tab.

    The only way the left & Democrats (& not a few Republicans) can ever pay for their goodies is by raising taxes — here, on exactly the people that the loan forgiveness decree is already mugging.

    Mr. Biden’s student loan decision will not do enough to help the most vulnerable Americans. It will, however, provide a windfall for those who don’t need it — with American taxpayers footing the bill.

    They got that right, speaking of the un-needy upper-middle-class graduates, but they aren’t looking far enough: the windfall is ultimately going to the colleges who raised their costs precisely because the government aka the taxpayers were paying the bill.

    I’m with Iowahawk:

    Student debt relief also helps those who drop out of college due to lack of preparation, leaving them with no degree, a lost year of wages, and plenty of debt. Again good. But the follow up should be the college refunding the student’s subsidized tuition to the loan program.

    The lender (our) attitude should be: we subsidized this student’s education at your school, on the premise they were prepared and the experience would benefit them enough that they would be able to pay it back. Clearly that didn’t happen, so fork over the refund.

    Even at expensive, highly selective colleges, there are study programs within it with unacceptable default rates. If there is an obvious glut of artists and actors unable to repay student loans, it’s fair to ask why we should be further subsidizing more of them.

    The student loan relief makes no such distinctions. Do you make less than $125k? Here’s $10k off your principle. Did you have Pell Grants? Double it.

    Worse, it doesn’t make even the slightest nod toward reforms that would address the root of the repayment problem.

    Worse yet, it pretty much incentivizes current and future student debt holder to default at even hire [higher] rates. Why pay back your loan, when eventually there’ll be another relief package coming in a couple years?

    The answer, in large part, is the student loan program itself. Offering $10k in tuition assistance at a $20k college just encourages the college to hike tuition to $25k. And use the proceeds to add layer upon layer of administrative bloat and overhead.

    After the dust clears on all this, in my mind the simplest and most effective way to reform the student loan system is to require colleges to co-sign the loan contract. The students have skin in the game, taxpayers have skin in the game, now it’s time for colleges to ante.

    Another solution I like, and would credit if I remembered where I saw it: The big universities, especially the Ivies, have massive endowments, and could give every student free tuition if they wanted to — but since they are hedge funds with a course catalog, they won’t ever do it.

    Trivia note: my alma mater, Rice University, used its original endowment to fund all-free-tuition to its students up to a few years before I matriculated in 1970.
    Poor timing on my part, but it couldn’t be helped.

    The school has always had generous scholarships (I had one), and it looks like they are stepping up to the plate now.
    https://abc13.com/rice-university-tuition-financial-aid-students/4275324/

    The new plan, called The Rice Investment, allows for full tuition scholarships and grants to be offered to students from middle-income families.

    Full tuition scholarships will be awarded to degree-seeking undergraduates with family incomes between $65,000 and $130,000 who are eligible to receive need-based financial aid. In addition, students with family incomes between $130,000 and $200,000 will receive scholarships covering at least half of their tuition.

    My degree didn’t cost anywhere near that much, of course, even if I had paid it all myself. And I got good value for the money.
    Rice isn’t yet as Woke as the Ivies (I think), but it’s not a hot bed of right-wing deplorables either.

  21. @ Aesop > “Iowahawk’s suggestions would do much better at ending the problem, but that’s not the goal of the Left at all.”

    https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2022/08/25/this-explains-it-graphic-showing-top-recipients-of-higher-education-political-donations-speaks-volumes/

    If President Biden’s “student debt cancellation” doesn’t end up getting struck down by the courts (as it should be because it’s unconstitutional), the act of financial “forgiveness” would cost hundreds of billions of dollars. Naturally Sens. Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren back Biden’s effort:

    With that in mind a graphic was spotted on Fox News that contained some information that’s probably just a total coincidence (cue eye roll):

    [Top recipients of higher education political donations are Biden ($64.5M), Sanders ($17.1M), and Warren $11.6M).]

    That’s from 2020. Skip forward to 2022 and all but one of the top 20 recipients of Big Education donations heading into the midterms are Democrats. The other is Bernie Sanders, an independent socialist.

    The source of the data:
    https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/recips.php?ind=W04&recipdetail=A&sortorder=U&mem=Y&cycle=2020

    The sole Republican in the 2020 Top 20 was President Trump.
    I wonder from who, and why?
    Right-wing colleges typically don’t have that much money.

    The site is interactive, so I searched “for-profit universities” (since that’s the big gotcha the Left is pushing), and Trump was only third in 2020, whereas Joe Biden was first, followed by Sanders at 4th and Warren at 6th. There were 7 Rs, 12 Ds, and 1 I-really-a-D that year.

    Trump didn’t even make the NP list 2022 – obvious reasons – but Joe Manchin was third, behind two Republicans. Biden didn’t make the cut this year either – for obvious reasons.
    In fact, there were still 13 Democrats and only 8 Republicans (tie for #20), and the sums were pocket change, in contrast to mega-millions from the not-for-profit universities (what a joke; that’s like saying football players are unpaid amateurs).

  22. That was a great site, so I played around with some other “industries” in this sector (“Other”)

    Just looking at 2022, the big donations are overwhelmingly Democrat (big surprise), so I will just give the Republicans in the top 20:

    Civil Servants & Public Officials – 1 (Kelly Loeffler GA)
    Clergy & Religious Organizations – 5
    Non-Profits, Foundations, and Philanthropies – 2, but one is Liz Cheney; Tim Scott is the other.
    Retired – 11 GOP
    Education – 0
    For-profit Education – 8, many are not big names; I suspect this is a “local” issue.

    There are lots of additional economic and political sectors, far too many to list all of them here. Explore at will: select from the menus for year, then the sector, and then the industry (click the search icon each time to refresh the table).

    No surprise: In the “Single Issue” sector, there are 0 Democrats in Gun Rights, and 0 Republicans in Gun Control.
    The pro-Israel sector has 4 Rs, but I think the donors are wasting their money on at least half of the Ds.
    Environment – 2 Rs, including Murkowski
    Women’s Issues – 1 Cheney

    Numbers geeks are warned: you could spend all day here!

  23. The first part of a college student’s “education” should be understanding the cost – benefit tradeoffs between tuition etc., and career income or other desires/goals.

    If they can’t handle that level of analysis, they are probably not yet ready for college.

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