The war on lawyers who would defend the right
The left doesn’t like the adversary system when it’s used to fight them, so they are determined to destroy the opposition’s ability to do so. From Legal Insurrection:
We covered the effort to attack Republican lawyers previously, Operative David Brock To Launch Attack On Republican Election Lawyers: “make them toxic in their communities and in their firms”.
The issue is even more important as we approach the November elections. Democrats are trying to deplatform the Republican legal team…
The home page of The 65 Project ever-so nobly frames itself as “A bipartisan effort to protect democracy from abuse of the legal system by holding accountable lawyers who engage in fraudulent and malicious lawsuits to overturn legitimate election results and fuel insurrection.” Bi-partisan, huh? Actually, it is “is a dark money-fueled nonprofit tied to Democrat Party bigwigs.”
Note the word “bipartisan.” The NeverTrumpers are incredibly valuable to the left, enabling them to claim bipartisanship in the endeavor.
More from the project’s website, and note the re-framing of their endeavor as the protection of democracy against the Big Lie of the Right. And here I thought the goal of the adversarial system was to air disputes in an objective forum with both sides doing their best to plead their case, a process which, although imperfect, was supposed to end up with the closest we can come to truth and justice. But that’s so 20th Century. This is now:
Following Biden’s victory an army of Big Lie Lawyers filed 65 lawsuits based on lies to overturn the election and give Trump a second term. While the nation’s legal institutions stood up to this attempted “coup-via-courtroom,” Trump has worked to further seize control of state and local election processes and ramp up malicious election litigation efforts — which only embolden future fraudulent legal actions aimed at overturning legitimate elections. Simultaneously, the lies and disinformation included in these lawsuits continue to give oxygen to the Big Lie, which festers in right-wing political and media circles and social media discussions and is a long-term threat to American democracy.
When Trump supporters file cases it’s a “coup by courtroom” When leftists intimidate lawyers into not defending those cases out of threats and fear, this is the defense of democracy.
Got it.
NOTE: I happened to have been reading an article by Andrew C. McCarthy in National Review on a somewhat different topic, the FBI and its bias – something I plan to write about, probably tomorrow – and I saw the following paragraph in the comments there. I want to quote it because I think it encapsulates the mindset of a supposed Republican Never Trumper and how such a person somehow manages to justify what the left has been doing:
I…am willing to grant the deep state mob a little compassion. [I concede I’m a vociferous Never Trumper] I still believe if the Hunter laptop had been “discovered” by anyone other than Rudy Giuliani, and if the incumbent President had been anywhere close to being within the ambit of acceptable leaders, instead of a delusional nut out beyond the Van Oort belt, the trajectory of these events might have been different. Andy is a fine lawyer, and his talent in pointing out peccadillos and debater’s points is beyond complaint, but he ignores the elephant in the room. Trump was manifestly unfit to be the leader of the free world and had to be stopped.
This person is totally unaware that his/her statements about Trump are not “manifestly” self-evident. The assumption is that any thinking person can see their obvious truth, and that therefore anything is justified to stop him. The mindset is that expressed by Roper in this scene which I’ve embedded in blog posts here many times before:
Then again, it didn’t go all that well for Sir Thomas More, did it?
That truly and utterly idiotic comment proves several things, viz. the reality of TDS (which has destroyed the minds of countless “conservatives”), the sad decline of NationalReview (most of the intelligent commenters who, once upon a time, would express a contrarian opinion, having now fled) and, most glaring of all, the undeniable fact that the proverbial elephant in the room is not the “unfitness” of Trump (certainly flawed, but how is the senile buffoon currently occupying 1600 fit, in any manner whatsoever, to be the leader of the free world?) but the obvious corruption of the highly politicized and completely partisan “Deep State.”
I still believe if the Hunter laptop had been “discovered” by anyone other than Rudy Giuliani, and if the incumbent President had been anywhere close to being within the ambit of acceptable leaders, instead of a delusional nut out beyond the Van Oort belt,…
So many inanities packed into a short phrase. The laptop wasn’t discovered by Giuliani. He was given a copy rather late in the game. And somehow Rudy Giuliani is beyond the pale? The guy that cleaned up the cesspool that was NYC. One of the most successful prosecutors of the mob. That guy?
To nitpick: The Van Allen belt (which are very near relatively speaking) and the Oort cloud (very distant) get mixed up and become the “Van Oort belt.” Nice. Maybe this illustrates how this person’s memory works.
This is consistent with the J6 Committee, in which no adversarial cross-examinations and no exonerating witnesses are allowed.
The “Big Lie” is actually that the 2020 election was squeaky-clean. They claim it was “fortified” but clean, when it’s obvious that it was rigged. Producing ballots by procedures not legally authorized and having no secure chain of custody means fraud is happening.
does mccarthy even run out of clown shoes,
https://thefederalist.com/2022/08/02/cassidy-hutchinson-reportedly-worked-for-trump-nine-weeks-after-he-left-office/
the model that is being followed is not as much soviet, as turkish, particularly a meme that erdogan spread with his associate, gulen, about the savage grey wolves a relatively small far right outfit, that nato had seeded back in the 50s,
ergonokon was where papers of a supposed coup, involving said elements was being planned, a pretext for the real purge, not long after erdogan, turned on gulen,
I finally quit the “Ricochet” blog after being suspended and banned a couple of time for commenting on “TDS” and “Vichy Republicans.” I suspect that a lot of the “NeverTrumpers” were feeding at the DC trough well before Trump came on the scene. Bill Kristol is one. He was originally the one who “discovered” Sarah Palin and recommended her to McCain. Then he got slapped down by his paymaster.
The Swamp includes some “conservative” think tanks. Nobody gets this furious about theory in politics. But just threaten their dinner pail and all hell breaks loose. Trump was and his supporters still are a mortal threat to the gravy train most of the left and some of the “right” are riding.
Trump might be too old for 2024 but he is trusted by a lot of voters who trust no one else in politics. I like what DeSantis is doing but too many “conservatives” “grow in office” once they get to DC.
McCarthy is close to the truth but he has too many “friends” in the DOJ.
in france, macron, or whoever is his eminence gris, had the center right candidate, fillon jailed to make sure the tables were turned,
I do fault Rudy for having created this culture of SDNY sharks, spitzer, fitzgerald and co, who were utterly ruthless, in their ethos and often unethical, this was something dershowitz, noted at the time to the likes of james stewart, re wall street prosecutions,
First, like it or not, we had a choice between the venal and corrupt Hillary Clinton and Trump. We have the worst political class I could imaging (I hope).
Some of us made that choice between Clinton and Trump based on POLICY not PERSONALITY: who would move the country in a better direction.
Hillary’s policies were far more important to me than her or Trump’s character, and would have been devastating for the country–pretty much like what we have now under Biden.
Trump, for all his faults, had policies better than I expected of him.
I don’t think desantis has put a foot wrong, well if I was picky he has signed some environmental legislation, that may not turn out great, but what if he is unwilling to subject his family to this buzz saw for to cite yeats’ ‘the center cannot hold, the worst are filled for powerful intensity,’ this isn’t just in the public sphere, but in the bureaucracy in academia, and lets not speak of the ‘blank pages,
Along with the other observations to which I agree about NeverTrumpers; how do you even partially believe the Hunter Biden laptop data is real and then not realize what it means about the fitness of Joe Biden to serve as President? From what I’ve seen of the data and the efforts to validate its authenticity; at least Hunter Biden should be in jail for various felonies, and Joe Biden too if he was taking bribes for access. The additional hack of the icloud account seems to suggest Biden was taking bribes. If anyone could provide this level of evidence against Trump; I’d be interested to see it, but all we got is the joke of a Steele Dossier and Facebook ad buys from Russia that mostly went to support BLM related interests.
I know I’m a broken record but I’ll say it again. They’ve redefined the word “rigged” for only the 2020 election to mean an election where there was a court decision that the election results were changed by fraud. By that definition of “rigging” there has never been a rigged election anywhere in the world at any point in history even once, not even North Korea, the USSR, Iraq, or Venezuela. (Which is why it only applies to 2020.)
and the same players like red jamie raskin, and bennie thompson, contested the 2000, and 2016 elections, mark elias was the pass through for the danchenko/
dolan dossier, steele just carried the water, as he used to when he worked for deripaska, so they go after sidney powell, who was the only one willing not to believe the rumors about general flynn, but the praetorian guard have their charge
Sidney Powell got herself into a pretzel in the post 2020 excitement. Rudy, I think has an alcohol problem and his glory days are behind him. I know of a number of would-be Trump lawyers that were physically threatened or threatened with career suicide. I would like to think someone is keeping track of those law firms.
When Trump wins in 2024 and Dem election lawyers file lawsuits, can we demonize them?
This is so, so wrong and toxic.
And why Marc Elias isn’t in jail is a mystery to me.
Part of me wants Trump to win and give the Dems a real taste of their own medicine.
The solution to election uncertainty is simple. Paper ballots everywhere and the ballots have to have counterfeit and other security protections on them; maybe serial numbers or watermarks.
Cut back on mail-in ballots and restrict early voting.
This problem has to be fixed. If both sides think elections are rigged, we are in deep trouble. But the Dems never want to fix the problem because they are so good at cheating.
the authoritarian model of political economy, like that inspired cromwell, hobbes, said a leviathan is necessary to keep things from devolving to a state ‘that is nasty brutish and short’ the classical liberal model, of which locke was a key exponent said concensus derived from the goals of ‘life liberty and property’ was the endpoint, but this camarilla, this roving gang with pinstripes and green badges,* they stole the country in order to destroy it, the total stasis at best and collaboration with this insurgent elements, branded as antifa and black lives matter, should have been this clue, this extortion scheme, which has wrecked countless cities, destroyed thousands of lives, all those perpetrators, well nearly all received the persil** then the mail ballot flood, in combination with the digital backup, that allowed them to seize the state, the agita over this delta house romp, except for boyland and babbitt is just the cover,
* mark of a deep state contractor,
**popular detergent used in post war germany,
Then again, it didn’t go all that well for Sir Thomas More, did it?
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It most certainly did. Possibly the last lawyer to make it into heaven.
This is part of the revolution. What happened to “I may disagree with what you say, but I’ll defend to the death your right to say it”?
Patrick Henry. The left has been busy cancelling our founding fathers. Rumor on the street is Patrick never went to school. He did memorize many famous soliloquies from Shakespeare.
The more laws democrats cut down to get after the deplorables, the less laws there will remain to protect them when the tiger they ride turns upon them.
Victor Davis Hanson wonders, “Have leftists ever read Thucydides on the stasis at Corcyra and his warning that zealots who destroy laws, customs, and traditions for short-term gain, soon rue the day they began making such changes when, in vain, they seek refuge in the very sanctuaries of behavior that they have destroyed? “
Of course not, as “dead white men” having nothing of worth to offer “the woke”.
Here’s a preview of what they court: https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/antifa-dude-gets-knocked-the-hell-out/
The ruling elites believe we are deplorable. They, the cabal that foisted President -81-million-votes-LOL on us, really believe that when the country is destroyed, they will get to sit on top on the rubble.
Just saw a long article on zoning laws and penalties. While criminal complaints will get legal representation, these fines are a mix of civil and criminal, which allows denying a court appointed lawyer. Fines of $50 are below the level. Of course, in zoning, $50-a-day, per plant, can really add up fast. In the same way truancy is a mix of civil and criminal, and some how families are not given legal help to navigate those treacherous waters. Students do get assigned time in juvenile detention for truancy, say 2 weeks, and parents get criminal fines, all without legal representation. Denying people legal help has been going a long time, in other areas.
Attacking lawyers to prevent them from defending Republicans is pretty bad.
It’s similar to the frenzied insistence that people be forced to take the Covid “vaccine”. Hey, if the thing works, wouldn’t you be better off with piles of dead Trump voters?
The politicization of everything … there’ll be heck of a reckoning. Or maybe we’re too weak and they’ll just win (temporarily, until stupidity comes back to bite them).
A hugely important issue. Here is another post on the subject:
https://ricochet.com/1291882/starting-a-tyranny-job-one-kill-all-the-lawyers/
Eeyore:
I was speaking of more earthly matters.
in france, macron, or whoever is his eminence gris, had the center right candidate, fillon jailed to make sure the tables were turned,
Misappropriation of funds by Francois Fillion was exposed in 2017, before Macron was elected. Fillion’s party ran a quite appealing figure this year, but she won less than 5% of the vote. Both the Socialist Party and the Gaullist / Giscardian combine have been imploding on the national level as the starboard vote shifts strongly in a nationalist and Euroskeptic direction and the portside vote also favors it’s more Euroskeptic parties. It likely wouldn’t have mattered had Fillion been on the ballot. The nationalist right outpolled the other two right candidates by 4-1 and one of the other two was unconventional and endorsed the Yellow Vest movement.
National Review has worked to discourage commenting on pieces by requiring registration and making use of buggy software. They’ve also alienated their committed readers to the point that they’re not around to offer remarks even if the technology wasn’t an issue.
Once more with feeling: there is no popular NeverTrump dispensation. NeverTrump is an Acela corridor phenomenon and dollars to doughnuts that commenter is on the payroll somewhere.
Rudi was way past his prime and wrong to misguided how he wanted to fight the election fraud, it’s wasn’t your dad’s election in the old style fraud.
And another example of how they have to stop DJT in any way even if it’s backers ( Jan6 Ralliers as well) to prove don’t mess with the Democrats/ Deep State
Ann in L.A.:
Not only were Trump’s policies far better than I ever thought they would be, but his faults did not include corruption, because no politician was ever investigated more thoroughly and with greater desire to find corruption, and yet it simply wasn’t there.
Bill Kristol is one. He was originally the one who “discovered” Sarah Palin and recommended her to McCain. Then he got slapped down by his paymaster.
IIRC, the first starboard commenter who suggested GOP bigwigs take a look at her for the VP slot was Ross Douthat, then employed by The Atlantic. Douthat in the intervening years has acquired a wife and three children as well as chronic Lyme disease. He ain’t saying nothing that might jeopardize his pay check. His pay check is signed by the Sulzbergers.
Operative David Brock To Launch Attack On Republican Election Lawyers: “make them toxic in their communities and in their firms”.
Being optimistic, I’m going to offer the thesis that Brock lacks the skill and emotional stability to accomplish much of anything on his own. He’s been an issue because he has no scruples and the sorosphere is happy to hand him wads of cash.
Just say the end of “The Scarlet and the Black”, a movie about an Irish priest at the Vatican and his counter part in the Gestapo. They knew each other. At the end, the Gestapo chief arranged a private meeting with the priest. He said…’We know you can smuggle people out of Rome. I need you to smuggle my wife and children out of Rome.”
The priest is just not indignant, but really pissed off. “You, of all people, who torture and abuse Innocents, demanding forgiveness and assistance? No.” And he storms off.
Gestapo guy says well, not me, my wife and children need your help, they’ll be murdered because of me. They are innocent, if you don’t help them because of me, you’re a liar.
Later, we see Rome has fallen and Gestapo guy is being questioned. First question…Who got your wife and children to Switzerland? He denies any knowledge of who did it. He is sentenced to life in prison. His only visitor, once a month , was that priest. The Gestapo guy came into the church in 1959.
The flaw in Brock’s cunning plan is that the United States is…well…pretty damn huge and there are massive areas of the country where Donald Trump is actually pretty popular. There are plenty of firms and communities where they would be quite welcome.
Of course, a lot of people still labor under the delusion that life in NYC or LA or DC is all that exists. If Brock could disabuse them of that, he’d be doing those lawyers the biggest favor.
Mike
Details
https://catholicexchange.com/st-ananias/
There was a similar example in zimbabwe with a guerilla minio.
I comment on other sites like Mark Wuack’s Meaning in History. I have been gently admonished for forsaking National Review or other right leaning websites.
Thing is, to this day, I can’t get past what was done in the name of conservatism.
Going back a bit, George W Bush, who I just like to call W, got rocked by a supposed National Guard memo during his campaign for the 2004 presidency.
I already voted for him twice as governor and once as president. Some online slueths like Allahpundit, who is a fervent anti-Trumper, to folks at Powerline, to a blog called Little Green Footballs exposed this partisan Democrat lie put forth by Dan Rather.
Yep, the Democrats did this. Little Green Footballs went a full 180 after W invaded Iraq again on spurious grounds. Allahpundit is a full Bushy along with Powerline even though some on Powerline are not.
What all these conservative folks fail to consider is that this happened long before Trump and never put into their stances it was happening to Trump.
National Review, of which I used to get in the mail, went full on anti-Trump.
Thing is, this has never been about Trump, at all. He gave Republicans exactly what they wanted and while the masses loved him for it, the Republican leaders, elite, and media mostly crapped on him. They used him to get certain things done, but the support was weak and so weak they refused to defend him.
So, what happened to W, happened to Trump, but with full on Decca steroids.
And none of them like Allahpundit, National Review, Powerline, etc care.
This is why I refuse to go to places like National Review, a publication I once proudly paid to be mailed to my home.
I quit subscribing to National Review, now preferring to support independent content creators. But I do fondly remember comments like that. Before the 2020 election, there were people commenting that Biden would have handled Covid better and they’d rather vote for Biden than Trump. And they thought of themselves as conservative. One of my favorites was “I actually liked the 1619 Project.”
That nay have been david french buckley chose poorly when he handed over the reins to lowry but what were the choices steyn derbyshire
Surprise!
“Biden, Soros spearhead efforts against election integrity ahead of midterms;
“A proposed constitutional amendment in Michigan by a Soros-funded group would prevent both strict voter ID requirement and a ban on private donations to election officials from being enacted.”—-
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/major-liberal-efforts-against-election-integrity-leading-midterms-biden
File under: But…TRUMP, TRUMP, TRUMP, TRUMP, TRUMP….
Surprise! (continued)…
“Pennsylvania Supreme Court upholds state’s no-excuses mail-in ballot law in blow to GOP;
“Democrat justices concluded nothing in state constitution prohibits widespread use of absentee ballots, reversing lower court.”—
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/pennsylvania-supreme-court-upholds-states-no-excuses-mail-ballot-law-blow
Back to the future(!)…
Here’s a head-scratcher:
If elections are ALWAYS stolen…does that mean that elections are NEVER stolen?
Related:
“A Bipartisan Solution To America’s Election Crisis”—
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/bipartisan-solution-americas-election-crisis
Alas, I think the ONLY “solution” that the Democrats would ever agree to…would be one that guarantees the Democrats victory EVERY TIME.
(Which is why the nation “NEEDS”, among other things, Federal, rather than STATE, oversight and jurisdiction over elections…)
Case in point:
“How the Left Hopes to Seize Control of Local Election Offices”—
https://www.dailysignal.com/2022/07/18/how-the-left-hopes-to-use-big-money-to-seize-control-of-local-election-offices/
Key grafs:
‘…Given the political ties of the organizations running the alliance, Heritage’s von Spakovsky said, he is skeptical that the organization is trying to train election officials in best practices.
‘ “‘Best practices’ is a thin disguise necessary for doing what these organizations wanted to see done under the HR 1 federal bill, which was legislation that would have made fair and honest elections nearly impossible in the future,” von Spakovsky said.
‘The former Federal Election Commission member was referring to HR 1, dubbed the “For the People Act,” legislation from congressional Democrats that passed the House last year but died in the Senate.
‘The bill would have nationalized local or state election procedures by banning voter ID laws in most states, expanding the controversial practice of ballot harvesting, and mandating that every state allow Election Day voter registration.’
Related:
“A Bipartisan Solution To America’s Election Crisis”—
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/bipartisan-solution-americas-election-crisis
Alas, I think the ONLY solution that the Democrats would ever agree to…would be one that guarantees the Democrats victory EVERY TIME.
(Which is why the nation “NEEDS”, among other things, Federal, rather than STATE, oversight and jurisdiction over elections…)
Case in point:
“How the Left Hopes to Seize Control of Local Election Offices”—
https://www.dailysignal.com/2022/07/18/how-the-left-hopes-to-use-big-money-to-seize-control-of-local-election-offices/
Key grafs:
‘…Given the political ties of the organizations running the [Orwellian “Alliance for Election Excellence”(!!)], Heritage’s von Spakovsky said, he is skeptical that the organization is trying to train election officials in best practices.
‘ “‘Best practices’ is a thin disguise necessary for doing what these organizations wanted to see done under the HR 1 federal bill, which was legislation that would have made fair and honest elections nearly impossible in the future,” von Spakovsky said.
‘The former Federal Election Commission member was referring to HR 1, dubbed the “For the People Act,” legislation from congressional Democrats that passed the House last year but died in the Senate.
‘The bill would have nationalized local or state election procedures by banning voter ID laws in most states, expanding the controversial practice of ballot harvesting, and mandating that every state allow Election Day voter registration.’
It wasn’t Trump who “had to be stopped.” What had to be stopped was the idea that corruption is an acceptable tactic if you feel strongly enough about your cause.
Yep, the Democrats did this. Little Green Footballs went a full 180 after W invaded Iraq again on spurious grounds. Allahpundit is a full Bushy along with Powerline even though some on Powerline are not.
W never ‘invaded again’ on spurious or nonspurious grounds. He increased troop levels in 2007-08 in a successful effort to tamp down the violence in Iraq. There was still a great deal of killing going on in Iraq in 2008-12, but it was at 1/3 the previous levels. Trump and other western powers added some troop strength to our residual force in 2017 in a highly successful effort to destroy ISIL. From March 2003 to the present, the toll of civilian deaths has averaged about 860 per month. The Bush surge managed to bring it down to 340 per month. The initial effects of the efforts in 2017 brought it back down to about 340 per month after which it continued to decline. It’s now about 55 per month.
So, what happened to W, happened to Trump, but with full on Decca steroids.
And none of them like Allahpundit, National Review, Powerline, etc care.
Allahpundit was hired by Michelle Malkin for obscure reasons to provide some leaven at Hot Air. He’s never favored the starboard causes and has a number of disagreeable features. When she sold Hot Air to Salem Media, he was retained. For whatever reason, he produces more verbiage than anyone else at Hot Air. The Bush partisan is not Allahpundit, but Ed Morrissey, who is much less obnoxious. They have a tedious libertarian on their contributor list as well.
Powerline had three founding members, two of them banking lawyers in Minneapolis and the third a college chum of one of the two who practiced in Washington. They’ve added others, among them Stephen Hayes. Hayes had a blow up with the Washington guy the net result of which the Washington guy departed the site. The Washington guy was always something of an irritant. It was the Washington guy who was the diehard NeverTrumper. The disposition of the others is about the mode for street-level Republicans.
National Review was hostile to Trump. Their editorial line and their various contributors have tacked one way or another the last seven years. It’s a reasonable inference that the bulk of the contributors are hostile to Trump by default, but that this tendency was tempered by Richard Lowry, who was mindful of the fate of The Weekly Standard. Lowry has in the last year or so been removed as editor and the British libertarian who ran the website has also departed the salaried staff. Both have been replaced by inveterate NeverTrumpers, so it’s a reasonable inference the magazine’s donors jerked the choke chain. The Bulwark is quite openly financed by Pierre Omidyar and one should assume that The Dispatch and now National Review have similar pipelines. Controlled opposition.
The flaw in Brock’s cunning plan is that the United States is…well…pretty damn huge and there are massive areas of the country where Donald Trump is actually pretty popular. There are plenty of firms and communities where they would be quite welcome.
My worry would be that Trump is popular in certain areas, but not in those areas popular among professional-managerial types. Also, our side may benefit from the work of a firm with the manpower and skill set to handle complex, multistate litigation. I’m not seeing there are any starboard BigLaw firms, though there are starboard lawyers working in BigLaw. The exception might be firms which do a lot of business with oil companies.
That nay have been david french buckley chose poorly when he handed over the reins to lowry but what were the choices steyn derbyshire
I think it’s reasonable to say replacing O’Sullivan with Lowry was a bad idea. This was done in 1997. At the time, Derbyshire was a computer programmer in New York who hadn’t published much topical commentary. Mark Steyn was a theatre critic working primarily in the UK. He was not known for topical commentary either. Buckley’s board could have removed Lowry at some later point, but his inadequacies weren’t evident until the very end of Buckley’s life, at which point WFB was preoccupied with personal matters. Peter Brimelow offered the opinion from face-to-face observation that by 1995 Buckley didn’t have much spark left in him.
The face of the enemy
https://www.dailywire.com/news/i-hope-you-get-raped-pro-life-teen-says-she-was-repeatedly-punched-in-head-while-canvassing-releases-video
Trump triggered something primal in a lot of educated profesionals in general, and lawyers in particular. The old rules don’t apply anymore, at least in their minds. They have the power to fire people, and they’re going to do it. They have the power to disbar attorneys, and they’re going to do it. (Of course, they’re not going to treat left-wing views the same way.) Is that right? No. Is it a double standard? You better believe it is! But that’s the reality right now. And I see few prospects for change. The younger generation is the most extreme and the universities have become indoctrination factories.
This is one of the reasons that I get so frustrated with Trump. Not because he pushes back. Pushback is necessary. It’s because he pushes back incompetantly and actually makes things worse. His election lawsuits are a perfect example. Trump had his attorneys push claims that were completely unsupported by evidence and later turned out to be utter BS (e.g., Dominion voting machines, massive ballot stuffing, and the like.) Some of his attorneys may well have committed ethical violations by bringing suits without sufficient evidence or pushing legal theories that were objectively baseless.
And that created the hook for the jackals to conduct their purge, which they are doing now. So you’re an attorney in the midwest who represents the local Republican party and you filed a lawsuit after the 2020 election based on your state’s failure to follow its own election law. They’re going to lump you in with the Trump’s kraken-hunters and try to disbar you. They may not succeed, but boy you’ll think twice about putting your name on a complaint next time. There aren’t a lot of alternate professions for a disbarred general practitioner.
Compare and contrast with DeSantis and Disney. Disney decided to meddle in culture war issues and DeSantis hit them hard. He picked a battle that he knew he could win. Disney folded and pushed back against their own woke employees. Shortly thereafter, the executives at Netflix did the same. Then the corporate reaction to Dobbs was muted. It looks like DeSantis (building on Kemp’s response to the Georgia voting law) may have actually empowered management at big corporations to focus on business and push back on woke employees who want to get involved culture war issues. That’s not a total victory by any means, but it’s not nothing. And it brings tangible benefits to the non-woke employees and vendors of these corporations.
So – follow Trump – He’ll get you lumped in with a bunch of real crazies and then the blob will come after your livelihood. Or – follow another Republican leader in the mold of DeSantis, Kemp, Abbott, and the like – they’ll push back no less aggressively than Trump, but actually get results and maybe even make your life a little easier.
If you wonder why so many educated professionals are never-Trump or seem like it, this is a big reason why.
The situation isn’t fair, but that’s what it is.
“David Brock To Launch Attack On Republican Election Lawyers: “make them toxic in their communities and in their firms”.: “make them toxic in their communities and in their firms”.”
Reminds me of something someone else said…that someone being Willi Munzenberg, Stalin’s master propagandist, to Arthur Koestler, back when Koestler was still a Communist:
“Don’t argue with them, Make them stink in the nose of the world. Make people curse and abominate them. Make them shudder with horror. That, Arturo, is propaganda!”
https://chicagoboyz.net/archives/67665.html
Iraq was like the boer war or the anglo zulu one an theatre of choice, seeing how badly the security and military apparatus handles things
I understand why it was undertaken on paper iraq looked like a more promising candidate, but saddams baathists has hollowed out the country
Shirley
https://summit.news/2022/08/03/swedish-military-says-supporting-gay-pride-just-as-important-as-defending-country/
I’m not so sure…
Especially on the Dominion Machines.
@Trump had his attorneys push claims that were completely unsupported by evidence and later turned out to be utter BS (e.g., Dominion voting machines, massive ballot stuffing, and the like.) “
Bauxite:
You have it backwards.
There were actually a lot of cases from the right challenging the rules of the 2020 election BEFORE it ever happened, but they were not successful in the courts for the most part because the Democrats had a ton more lawyers to defend their side (most lawyers are Democrats) and a lot of courts said the GOP side lacked standing. Afterwards, for the most part, they said they were moot. Few cases were ever decided on the merits, before or after the election, and the Democrats were fighting tooth and nail prior to any allegations of fraud in the actual election.
neo – I don’t think we disagree about the merit of some of the suits. I think many, if not most, of the suits about states’ failure to comply with their own election laws had merit. They certainly weren’t frivilous. I think the courts made a huge mess by choosing not to rule on the merits of those cases prior to the election.
But you also have to consider the clown show after the election where they claimed fraud in one state based on voter rolls from another state, where they promised to “release the Kraken” of secret evidence about Dominion that never arrived, where that came up with the theory to reject state vote totals that the attorney admitted would lose 9-0 at the Supreme Court, and so on.
Now the folks who worked on the meritorious cases on election procedure are being tarred with the same brush as the irresponsible folks who came up with the silly legal theories and filed a bunch of cases promising evidence that they didn’t actually have.
My point is that, by pushing the crazy stuff, Trump made it much, much harder to pursue the legitimate issues. In this case, it is because the powers that be in the legal profession are using the crazy stuff as cover to punish the folks who brought the cases with merit.
Ray SoCa – Anything is possible, but it is very telling that Dominion brought defamation suits against Trump’s attorneys. Bringing a defamation suit includes submitting to intrusive discovery from the defendant in your suits. In other words, the court gives the defendant access to the plaintiff’s records so that the defendant has an opportunity to prove whether his or her statements are true. It’s not unheard of, but a party that has something to hide typically does not bring a defamation suit.
Bauxite:
My point is that those post-election suits did not cause the Democrats to act the way they do. They were already acting that way.
“W never ‘invaded again’ on spurious or nonspurious grounds.”
Ask General Powell on that.
When the justification fell apart folks like Little Green Footballs went the opposite way.
“It’s because he pushes back incompetantly and actually makes things worse”
Yep, I agree.
I like DeSantis, he appears to be Trump without the baggage.
Yet, he’s a professional politician. That alone gives me pause due to history, well, except Reagan, but I was just a kid during his administration. I was just a kid during Nixon’s, Ford’s, and Carter’s administration too. I remember sitting in odd even gas lines with my dad and the bicentennial.
Anyway, professional politicians always give me pause. Moreover, he’s dealing with Florida politics and have only had to deal with a scant of DC politics. The DC Dems haven’t trained their guns on him yet.
Trump, once a registered Democrat and a darling of the Democrats as the comeback American, got the full taste of their firepower. Thing is, he got fired upon by his own party long before he won the presidency. I think it was McConnell who publicly stated they, the Republicans, would put him on a leash or try to control him or something like that.
I’m glad I’m not Trump. If I was and won again, I would engage in a scorched earth tactic to all. Yeah, sure, it would be wrong and truly unconstitutional, but we haven’t exactly been constitutional for some time.
Let me put it this, when a LT. Colonel of the US Army lies about an event so that his Commander in Chief gets impeached and then explains that this is because his CnC, the president of the US, is not in line with the “Interagency”, his word, not mine, then we are not staring down the abyss, but have fallen in it.
Oh, I voted for W 4 times, twice as gov, twice as prez, I forgot to add “up till that time”
The notion that Trump was “manifestly unfit” to serve as POTUS is entirely based on the fraudulent media reporting on numerous hoaxes, not the least of which was Russiagate.
Anytime anyone makes such a comment they should be forced to provide examples of his being unfit that don’t include the debunked Russia Collusion hoax, the nonsensical Charleston “fine people” hoax, or any idea that building a border wall, stopping travel from the source of a pandemic or terrorist harboring countries, or acknowledging that the best and brightest from points South are not coming across teh border illegally is RACIST
LAS CRUCES, New Mexico, January 19, 2021 (LifeSiteNews) — A business law professor at New Mexico State University (NMSU) said that anyone who proposes there “is no evidence” for massive election fraud in November’s presidential election doesn’t know what they are talking about.
“I’ve reviewed hours upon hours of public hearings. I have read almost all of the lawsuits that are out there. Most of them were dismissed on legal process grounds.”
These suits, he said, were dismissed due to a legal lack of standing. “The general argument” that was presented in these cases, he said, “was that because this was a general harm,” then “you have no standing because your harm has to be particular. It’s not because there isn’t evidence. There is evidence,” the professor emphasized.
“In fact, I’m in possession of 574 pages of sworn affidavits, forensic reports, all of which would make its way in a court of law under the rules of evidence in a federal or state court. The fact that the evidence has not been heard here by these courts” should not be conflated into “this idea that there is no evidence,” Clements argued.
“The courts have done what they always do,” Clements explained. “When you have political matters, they want them to be decided politically, not in a court room, but through the elections, through the state legislatures.”
However, he observed, the main problem was that “we have a bunch of cowards. We have judges who are cowards, we have politicians that are cowards, and that’s the reality.”
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/law-prof-election-fraud-evidence-significant-cases-dismissed-only-on-legal-process-grounds/
Here’s a couple of cases brought by the President
The first one is especially egregious. expanding ballot boxes, essentially eliminating signature-matching requirements and allowing out of county poll workers. The failure to match signatures in cases around the country is troubling, unless you like making potentially illegal votes legal.
Donald J. Trump for President, Inc. v. Boockvar
Issues: Whether a number of Pennsylvania elections accommodations in light of the coronavirus pandemic – providing additional drop-off sites and alleviating signature-matching requirements for absentee ballots, as well as lifting a restriction on employing out-of-county poll workers – violate state election law and the U.S. Constitution.
State: Pennsylvania
Court: U.S. District Court for the Western District of Pennsylvania
Status: Suit dismissed by district court; additional drop-off sites, lifting of signature-matching requirement, and rescinding of ban on out-of-county poll workers upheld
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Donald J. Trump for President v. Cegavske
Issues: Whether recent changes by the state legislature to Nevada’s voting procedures including, among other things, the expansion of voting-by-mail and a requirement that officials count ballots received up to three days after Election Day, violate federal election law and the Fourteenth Amendment.
State: Nevada
Court: U.S. District Court for the District of Nevada
Status: Complaint dismissed by district court
“….U.S. District Judge James Mahan granted Cegavske’s motion to dismiss the case on Sept. 18. Mahan agreed with Cegavske that none of the challengers in the case had a legal right to sue, known as “standing.”…..
…..Mahan suggested, is that Trump and the GOP simply have “policy disagreements” with the law.”
https://www.scotusblog.com/election-litigation/
neo – I agree that the radical Democrats were going to push as far as they could regardless. The were already acting that way, however, Trump’s excesses made “as far as they could” a lot farther.
TexasDude:
Not sure why you call DeSantis a “professional politician.” He’s been in politics for 10 years, but he was busy with other things prior to that. From his Wiki page:
He was also an early Trump supporter.
TexasDude:
Also, about Charles Johnson of LGF, I have a different recollection of what happened with him.
First of all, he was never on the right. He was radicalized by 9/11 and became quite consumed with fighting terrorists and terrorism. In his early blogging, he wrote almost solely on that topic. When the “war on terror” started fading in importance compared to the first couple of years after 9/11, he became less focused on that. The real turning point, though, was when he became convinced that a great many people on the right in the blogosphere were tolerant of people usually termed on the “far right” in Europe, people he considered neo-Nazis. He called those people out and a split from the right side of the blogosphere ensued. This is from his blog’s Wiki entry, and it is factually correct (I was blogging at the time and I remember it well, although I was not involved in it):
After that, he pretty much reverted to his own idiosyncratic political views, which were not exactly on the right or the left. His reversals had nothing to do with Bush or the Iraq War, although he probably repudiated them as part of the process.
You could ask bruce bawer about that, the swedish political class has become blind to islamism and takes an oikophobic stance toward its own citizens so malmo is just a subject not up to discussion, yes brevik was a monster but the views had long before calcified
They are stealing arizona again
https://mobile.twitter.com/ElectionWiz/status/1554812730728763393?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
https://mobile.twitter.com/Fight4Red/status/1554829506371653632?t=lErBrocMfR4mvZvHMO5VHw&s=19
This is a big component of my pessimism that things can change for the better by the ballot box. I don’t know where we go from here. It would take a smarter, and way more ruthless guy than I to figure that out.
“W never ‘invaded again’ on spurious or nonspurious grounds.” Ask General Powell on that.When the justification fell apart folks like Little Green Footballs went the opposite way.
If you’re counting the first Gulf War as an ‘invasion’ of Iraq, your memory is shot. There was no invasion of Iraq in 1990-91; Iraqi forces were ejected from Kuwait and a no-fly zone and blockade imposed on Iraq. As for Charles Johnson, his blowup with starboard bloggers began in 2007, three years after the reports on WMD in Iraq.
Neither Vlaams Belang nor the Sweden Democrats are neo-Nazi or fascist.
however, Trump’s excesses made “as far as they could” a lot farther.
An understanding of personal agency is not your strong suit.
Art Deco:
But Charles Johnson was convinced that they were neo-Nazis and said, basically, that anyone having anything to do with them was in league with Nazis. When people refused to do his bidding and disown them, that created a huge rift and he turned on many people he had formerly seen as allies, and changed the thrust and orientation of his blog. He also lost a lot of traffic, for what that’s worth.
Haha, yeah, I could be wrong on my recollections and I am sure I could look them up.
LGF, Charles Johnson, heh, I forgot his name earlier, was definitely not conservative and had views on both sides that went both ways, maybe more left than not.
Ironically, Trump is similar, but with views more right than not, maybe by a sliver. Same with me. I am not a doctrinaire conservative.
My main remembrance was LGF et all having a conniption when it got out that the invasion of Iraq by W was not on sound grounds. W’s admin blamed it on faulty intelligence, the intelligence community pushed back or at least there were articles stating that.
Yes, I voted for W, yet I do regret that and it has not one thing to do about Trump. Problem is, the Democrats were not a sound option to me at the time and even now I believe that to be true even though I have serious issues with the Republicans, W, especially.
I defended the No Child Left behind. Then I had two elementary aged children hide under tables and in their rooms due to the anxiety placed upon them by that act as proscribed by Texas. Sure, they passed, but really?
One of my children that did that in elementary was in middle school when he was told, along with us, his parents, that he passed the math portion, but his trend line was going down and he had to take extra tutoring. My wife and I pushed back having several meetings with the district’s administration. My wife and I were asked by one assistant whatever in the administration about my son’s STEM prospects if this trend continues. I was dumbfounded, truly. I told him that no one, not one that hires in any job gives a flip about any test in middle school, state test or otherwise. I further stated that I was a software developer in the 1990s during the dot com wave and no one asked about any grades in middle school. The only job that even glanced at my public school grades was my first one out of college and that was just more of a did you graduate kind of thing.
Oh, my son and our family, along with many others, were used in testimony at the capitol in Texas as to why this thing was bad.
It didn’t matter. I hate W for that.
The other issue I have with W is the Patriot Act. Again, I publicly defended it, but it’s critics, as crazy as many of them were … were correct. It has led to this point in time in which our government is not representing the population. Sure, there are other reasons why we are here, many decades long in the making, but the Patriot Act gave it a strong hand to do as they please.
that was a deal with ted kennedy, remember scorpions, but the operational templates came from a company called ignite, that neil bush had raised monies for mostly from middle eastern software, the philosophy is constructivist which is low on actual knowledge, I taught in south florida schools for 13 years after nclb was passed, each year the students knew less math, then the year before,
neo:
Yes, of course, my barely there reticence towards DeSantis is melting away, but not a puddle of water yet. Call me a cynic.
From a former Petty Officer 2nd Class, Electronics Technician, ET2, USN. Got medals from the Gulf War and the War on Terror. I had a split enlistment meaning I served in the early 1990s, left, then served again after 9-11.
For what it’s worth, I played football in high school with who is now Master Chief Petty Officer, SEAL, Stephen White. He was friends with Army Ranger Pat Tillman. Pat Tillman gave away potentially millions of income from the NFL to serve his country after 9-11.
At the time I did not know he was friends with Tillman. I did know he specifically gave to the public the 1st official explanation of Tillman’s death. I did not know White was lied to by our government.
One day, I was flipping channels and came across a US Navy Seal Chief Petty Officer in full dress uniform giving testimony to Congress. I recognized my former high school teammate and watched as he explained why he told, I think it was ESPN, the first official reason for Tillman’s death.
Yeah, Tillman didn’t die from enemy fire, but by us, fratricide.