The Uvalde’s perp’s parents both had records
From that same Daily Mail article I wrote about in the post below this one – the article contains a lot of extra information, including the following about Ramos’ parents’ police records:
Ramos is the son of Reyes and Salvador Ramos, 42 – both of whom have a criminal history, DailyMail.com can confirm.
Salvador Sr. has a criminal history going back to 2000, when a Texas Court report shows he was sentenced to 180 days in jail for an unspecified misdemeanor, and was ordered to pay $875 at Uvalde County Court.
He then committed another misdemeanor just one month later and was ordered to pay another $375.
Two years later, on July 29, 2002 he was again arrested – this time for an assault that causes bodily injury against a family member, according to public records.
He was again sent to prison for 180 days.
In 2005, he faced another misdemeanor charge and was sentenced to a maximum of 30 days in prison, and by April 2011, Ramos again faced charges – this time for aggravated assault with a deadly weapon and possession of marijuana, and faced a maximum of two years in prison.
It is unclear what Salvador Sr’s relationship was with his son, though he lived nearby.
Salvador’s mother, meanwhile, was arrested in June 2003 for property theft of less than $500. It is unclear how long she served for that offense.
She was also arrested on misdemeanor charges in 2005 – though it is unclear what precipitated that arrest.
We also know that the grandfather was a felon.
Not what you’d call a stable law-abiding group. And although it’s “unclear what Salvador Sr’s relationship was with his son,” in fact he did live nearby and there may have been a relationship. It’s easy to guess it was not a good one.
There was also a boyfriend of the mother who was somewhat involved in the family dynamics, but not especially father-like. At least it doesn’t appear that he had a record.
So; how can these school shootings be prevented?
What measures should be implemented ?
Arm the teachers?
Have armed security guards (e.g., ex-cops, ex-military, etc) stationed at each school?
Obviously, all doors should be locked to prevent entry of unauthorized personnel. How did Ramos gain entry to the school?
Someone I know is a security guard at an elementary school; he had a career in law enforcement prior to his school security job.
He is not allowed to be armed, though he is licensed to carry a gun.
So what can he do if confronted by an armed intruder??
As for banning guns, this will work about as good as the war on drugs. I do not know the statistics, but I will take a wild guess that illicit drugs are more prevalent today than they were anytime in the past.
So much for prohibition.
Pictures of the mother have appeared on the internet. She’s 39 and quite handsome, though not everyone’s cup ‘o joe. I don’t imagine she was wanting for attention from men, but it wouldn’t surprise me to discover that the men she attracted soon grew exasperated with her. It also wouldn’t surprise me if she herself was attracted to the sort of men who make bad husbands, because, well, that’s quite common.
These are vectors influencing bad outcomes, but in a black swan event like this, I think we’re safe saying they’re weak vectors. Look at 100 young men in a gymnasium, the smart money says you’ll find about 15 who were borne by a borderline woman being banged by an impetuous, undependable, and unscrupulous man. And, of course, they’ll be a la carte accessories appended to both – a history of heavy drinking, a history of drug use, a history of bar-room brawls, &c. Only a miniscule minority of young men with this upbringing will perpetrate mass shootings.
Note, the youth who shot up the Tops Market in Buffalo is a scion of an intact and moderately affluent family; both parents are engineers. Jared Loughner was the only child of a set of married (albeit quirky) parents.
So far the best policy:
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2022/05/25/one-policy-that-seems-to-work-when-it-comes-to-protecting-our-schools-n2607781
School Resource Officers – cops in schools. With guns.
Another policy that is likely to work for reductions in killers – more mental health institutions, tho making one go involuntarily is mostly no.
Related might be more “homes away from home” for troubled youth. A safe place to have some simple dinner and sleep – maybe watch community TV? use an old computer to surf the internet? (no porn?).
As for banning guns, this will work about as good as the war on drugs.
What’s wrong with drug prohibition? It’s not going to eradicate drugs any more than laws against fraud eradicate fraud. The point is to reduce incidence to a tolerable level.
Again, there’s nothing wrong with incorporating a definition of unlawful armament into the penal code and adding is a charge appended to other crimes and as a stand-alone charge in selected circumstances. The problem is assuming you’re going to eradicate black swan events with law enforcement.
The American lower class is peopled by crappy families and non-families. The Ramos familial observation Neo reports is irrelevant. We will always have trash. Anyone done anything about the slow-evolving mass murder in Chicago?
@ John Tyler > “Arm the teachers?”
Well, yes.
Sign posted at a school in Ohio, followed by one in Texas:
https://twitter.com/johnrich/status/1529686361703337985/photo/1
https://twitter.com/Texasguy1016/status/1529687566726971392
The training is provided by this company.
https://twitter.com/scrapperof5/status/1529913369238589461
“The @FASTERSaves requires much more than a typical concealed carry license. Ohio is home to a great company that provides this training for schools. If I was still teaching I would do it in a heartbeat.”
And it helps to have armed School Resource Officers.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2022/05/25/one-policy-that-seems-to-work-when-it-comes-to-protecting-our-schools-n2607781
Lots of successful examples; sadly, the Uvalde SRO seems to have missed killing or wounding the perp, but maybe he held him up enough to reduce casualties.
We may find out someday when people quit pointing fingers at each other.
Just saw this on another thread, per WaPo (h/t Kate):
“Department of Public Safety officials previously said an armed school officer confronted Ramos as he arrived at the school. Mr. Escalon said Thursday that information was incorrect and no one encountered Ramos as he arrived at the school. “There was not an officer readily available and armed,” Mr. Escalon said.”
Seventy-two hours may not be a long enough window for the dust to settle on what actually happened, but the rule of “don’t believe everything you hear during the first three days” appears to be sound.
Cicero’s last line: “Anyone done anything about the slow-evolving mass murder in Chicago?” I’ve been ranting about this for years. In other cities, too, but Chicago weekends seem to top them all (– wonder where to find such data).
More rival gangs in Chicago, or what??
So many innocent victims!! Bystanders, kids playing in park or in neighborhood. People driving or riding by. Even watching TV in their homes!!
They should count. The accumulated numbers over 52 weekends of cities’ now “normal carnage” amount to several mass murders. So much blood on the hands of mayors & DAs, intent on abolishing police, jails, prisons! Supporting anarchy & chaos, while taxpayers pay for THEIR personal security. Unforgivable.
Art Deco:
I was not suggesting that illicit drugs not be prohibited.
I mentioned this to illustrate that making things illegal does not necessarily solve a problem.
Some have suggested that making drugs illegal has made producing / selling them a very lucrative endeavor and that by making them legal or somehow “less illegal,” this monetary incentive would diminish or disappear, and thus be more effective in reducing their use.
It would be an interesting experiment.
As for those seeking gun prohibition (democrats, socialists, communists – but I repeat myself), their view would remain unchanged even if there were no school shootings, no gang shootings and no murders by gun.
They just hate much of the Bill of Rights.
this is the common element that charles murray noted among african american, forty years ago, by the time of his last book, he noticed how this was happening among lower class whites, now you can have shooters that come from high ses
persons like the columbine kids, but that is rarer,
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10860977/Texas-Rep-Tony-Gonzalez-Uvalde-gunman-arrested-4-years-ago-threatening-shoot-school.html
Rep. Gonzales says that Ramos was one of the two kids who threatened, four years ago, to shoot up a school when they were seniors. No official confirmation from Texas law enforcement on this.
yes illegal drugs are a symptom, in the 50s, where society was largely intact, damn that patriarchy, there was less violence, the clutter family of in cold blood was shocking as an exception, but we atomize every institution from the family to the church to the school, make the police mostly useless, fill the vaccuum with shells, ala bradbury, and this is where we find ourselves,
it seems plausible in light of what we’ve seen from buffalo back to parkland all the way back to columbine, maybe even jonesboro, if one cares to gaze back 26 years!!
Rep. Gonzales now says “it’s unclear” if the shooter was one of the two arrested in 2018. He shouldn’t have said so if he didn’t know.
https://twitter.com/RepTonyGonzales/status/1530190874071781377?s=20&t=xvcXHIzZ0y1vLvQFxBCcKw