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The GOP gets a break in the New York redistricting fight — 14 Comments

  1. My understanding is that the Democrats wanted the anti-gerrymandering amendment because gerrymandering had been keeping the NY State Senate under GOP control (barely). It turned out that the amendment wasn’t needed to get the Senate out of GOP control because the Democrats ended up with control of the Senate even before the amendment went into effect.

    Now that the Dems are in full control of the state, with no end in sight, they are upset that the NY Court of Appeals (the highest state court) is enforcing the amendment against them, even though every judge on that court was appointed by a Democrat governor, and 6 of the judges are registered Dems (the one Republican is a Manhattan RINO). The AOC wing of the party is screaming that the Democrats’ own judges have stabbed them in the back (but they scream like that any time the Court rejects the farthest-left position, which happens frequently, particularly in criminal cases).

  2. Thought it would never bite them, did they? It’s encouraging that NY courts are actually willing to enforce the amendment.

  3. Personally, I find the way districts are formed to be preposterous.

    All districts should be required to have not more than 8 sides, with a “side” being: A continuous roadway, a physical objective limitation (river, mountain range, precipice) or a straight geographic line.

    If you can make a serious case for it, make it 12 sides. And the variation in district content (population) can be up to 20%, as the boundaries make it inherently needed.

    That said, this is actually kind of fun:

    http://www.redistrictinggame.org/

    Unfortunately, it depends on flash player, which Adobe has disallowed the existence of, which is ridiculous. “We don’t support it in any way” is fine. Making all browsers stop working with it is bad.

  4. There are actually only 3 legal criteria for Congressional districts IIRC. They have to be contiguous, compact, and of equal population (within a certain margin of course). Many years ago, I proposed as my Master’s Thesis in Geography a computer model that would allocate census blocks into political districts by random accretion from a core block via adjacent blocks. I proposed running the simulation 100 times and statistically comparing the resulting maps to those proposed by the powers that be. I figured that would give a non-partisan alternative at least. Alas, it never happened as my career was already going in a different direction.

  5. ObloodyHell, Unfortunately Flash was inherently insecure and became a dangerous attack vector for cyber criminals. That is why all browsers ran away from it. Adobe is a company built by artists to make software they can use rather than software types building art software. A simplification but that focus has good sides and bad sides. We software types don’t think like artists and the other way around. I hear there are alternatives built by various vendors for running flash scripts, but I haven’t researched them. To quote the great insincere Goombah, “I feel your pain.”

  6. At least in the US, legislative districts are of approximately equal population. Here is a decade-old example from Venezuela, of Hugomandering involving legislative districts with widely disparate populations.

    In Miranda-3, which went oppo, there are 321,909 registered voters.
    In Miranda-7, which went Chavista, there are 137,843 registered voters.

    Registered voters/Assembly seat
    Broken down by victors in Circuitos/Circunscripciones/voting districts, not for statewide winners.

    Miranda State
    Oppo 255,104
    Chavista 170,144

    Carabobo State
    Oppo 267,524
    Chavista 179,382

    And when the opposition won two-thirds of the legislative seats in the December 2015 legislative elections, Maduro in effect dissolved the legislature.

    https://daniel-venezuela.blogspot.com/2011/01/most-undemocratic-moment-national.html

  7. Here is an example of gerrymandering overturned. From about 10 years ago, I recall seeing a map of North Carolina’s I-85 Congressional District, of which one joker said that if you drove down I-85 with both car doors open, you’d kill most of the voters in the district.
    https://cprnc.org/2021/08/12/redistricting-the-i-85-district/

    The congressional district map for North Carolina is much better today.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Carolina%27s_congressional_districts

    IIRC, one factor driving strange-shaped districts is the effort to create districts that have a majority of minority voters.

    Interesting that some of the NY gerrymandered districts involved Jerry Nadler and AOC, neither of whom are my favorite pols.

  8. Oh, yes, Gringo, I remember the outrageous I-85 district. Also outrageous are NC Dem’s complaints about gerrymandering, with that one in our past. In the next-to-last redistricting battle, Republicans were taken to court for trying too hard to provide 2-3 majority-minority districts, which made the rest lean Republican. So they decided to stop using race as a criterion at all — and that was racist, too! The current map is unlikely to stand past this election cycle, because it was drawn by an Appeals Court, not by the legislature.

  9. It’s a good thing that NY Dems aren’t as good as PA Dems when it comes to finding hacks for their highest court. The Dems on the PA Supreme Court voted in 2020 to partially re-write a statute, for one year only, without actually holding the statute unconstitutional so as to avoid an anti-severability clause – a brilliant display of creative legal writing. I’m sure that they could have found a way around the NY constitutional amendment too.

  10. “…And when the opposition won two-thirds of the legislative seats in the December 2015 legislative elections, Maduro in effect dissolved the legislature…”

    No doubt part of the reason why an admiring “Biden” is cozying up to that most creative of regimes.

  11. Sean Patrick Maloney versus Mondaire Jones? A recipe for eliminating at least one odious creep.

    Jerrold Nadler versus Carolyn Maloney? Again – an odious creep elimination contest. Could it be the end of Jerroldmandering?

  12. All Nadler has to say is “I’m a myth” and he has the thing wrapped up.
    (It’s NYC.)

  13. Frank: Could your model be combined with a program to find the block plan that minimizes the length of boundaries?

    That is – the most compact blocks that each contains the same number of voters……..

    If it were a computer program, the case for partisan gerrymandering would be harder to make, would it not?

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