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  1. Interesting. Seeing a young Grant and an older Dolly Madison.
    But today “photo’s” on phones and digital cameras will all be lost. There will be no record of people of today.

  2. The Daguerreotype

    To make the image, a daguerreotypist polished a sheet of silver-plated copper to a mirror finish; treated it with fumes that made its surface light sensitive; exposed it in a camera for as long as was judged to be necessary, which could be as little as a few seconds for brightly sunlit subjects or much longer with less intense lighting; made the resulting latent image on it visible by fuming it with mercury vapor; removed its sensitivity to light by liquid chemical treatment; rinsed and dried it; and then sealed the easily marred result behind glass in a protective enclosure.

    The image is on a mirror-like silver surface and will appear either positive or negative, depending on the angle at which it is viewed, how it is lit and whether a light or dark background is being reflected in the metal. The darkest areas of the image are simply bare silver; lighter areas have a microscopically fine light-scattering texture. The surface is very delicate, and even the lightest wiping can permanently scuff it. Some tarnish around the edges is normal.
    – – – –
    The experience of viewing a daguerreotype is unlike that of viewing any other type of photograph. The image does not sit on the surface of the plate. After flipping from positive to negative as the viewing angle is adjusted, viewers experience an apparition in space, a mirage that arises once the eyes are properly focused. – – Other processes that have a similar viewing experience are holograms …

    Not the same as a tintype. I’ve never seen a real one.
    I didn’t see mention of it, but the resolution of the image is extremely high, though long exposure times usually caused motion blur.

  3. I did search on another person, Carter L. Stevenson. West Point grad, served throughout the West before the Civil War. He resigned his US Commission and joined the Confederate forces. Fought through out the War in various commands. After the War worked as an Engineer (being West Point grad).

  4. I love strolling art museums viewing portraits for much the same reason. Appreciating the humanity of our forebears, connecting to them emotionally, inquiring if they look like us or if their very appearance significantly differs and so on.

  5. A survey of existing medical literature finds a pattern which undermines The Narrative

    “Conclusions:
    Moderate-certainty evidence finds that large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using ivermectin. Using ivermectin early in the clinical course may reduce numbers progressing to severe disease. The apparent safety and low cost suggest that ivermectin is likely to have a significant impact on the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic globally.”

    https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/Fulltext/2021/08000/Ivermectin_for_Prevention_and_Treatment_of.7.aspx

    If it turns out that the economic shutdown of whole nations, widespread censorship to prevent the truth from surfacing, disruption of the lives of uncounted millions was all for naught will there be a price to pay?
    Or will people just shrug their shoulders?

  6. The last two photos are interesting for SHIREHOME and other Civil War buffs: Gouverneur Kemble E. Warren, shown in the dress uniform that West Point cadets wore in the 1840s (it’s not all that different today), graduated second in his class from the academy in 1850, later taught mathematics at USMA, and is best known for his role in organizing the Union Army’s defense of Little Round Top during the Battle of Gettysburg on July 2, 1863. A bronze statue of Warren was placed on Little Round Top in 1888 (and hasn’t yet been toppled).

    Jonathan Letterman, MD, graduated from what was then Jefferson Medical College in Philadelphia in 1849. He joined the Army Medical Department and was assigned to the Army of the Potomac at the outbreak of the Civil War. Letterman is known as the father of American battlefield medicine for his introduction of a organized system for the triage, treatment, and transportation of wounded soldiers. He was appointed medical director of the Army of the Potomac in May 1862, and reduced the army’s mortality rate from 33% during the Peninsular Campaign of 1862 to 2% following the Battle of Gettysburg. The Army hospital in San Francisco that was decommissioned in 1994 was named for Jonathan Letterman.

  7. JimNorCal–
    Have you seen the blog post suggesting that Anthony Fauci is a case of Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy? (I’d be interested in Neo’s opinion too, because she has a master’s degree in family therapy). The writer asks, “What if leading healthcare ‘experts’ are psychologically motivated to generate widespread suffering?” The article goes on to detail Fauci’s history of creating panics, such as a media frenzy in the 1980s when he suggested “in a Journal of American Medicine article that HIV could be transmitted by casual contact.” Fauci also recommended treating AIDS with a chemotherapy drug (AZT) that actually turned out to harm patients.

    Lots more at the link: https://kirstenmortensen.com/munchausen-syndrome-by-proxy-on-a-societal-scale/

  8. PA Cat, I haven’t seen that. I don’t know enough to have an opinion about Fauci’s inner workings … but his performance in the AIDS crisis was abysmal.

    At that time, it was widely suspected that he believed normal Americans were not sympathetic to homosexuals and therefore falsely claimed that AIDS affected all sexually active adults equally. Just to add pressure to get resources to address the problem.

  9. Shirehome,

    Well, many of our present day photos end up in books and prints, so they won’t vanish completely, but, yes- many present day family albums are nothing but social media pictures stored in the cloud. My mother has an extensive collection of family photos taken over 3-4 generations of our family, but she hasn’t added to that physical collection since around 2008 or so- everything new since then is on FacePalm.

  10. The anti-Fauci: “Renowned Cardiologist Unveils Early COVID Treatment Plan”
    https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/09/18/the-state-of-covid-treatment.aspx

    Key grafs:
    “Cardiologist, internist and epidemiologist Dr. Peter McCullough discusses why a key aspect of care — early treatment — has been missing from the pandemic.

    “With no hope of early treatment, McCullough believes that most people became conditioned to wait for an injection.

    “COVID-19 injections are waning in effectiveness and linked to an unacceptable number of serious injuries and deaths.

    “McCullough is among a growing number of experts who believe COVID-19 injections are making the pandemic worse; indiscriminate vaccination is driving mutations, as the virus is mutating wildly to evade the injections.

    “At 53:40 in the video, you can view McCullough’s early treatment regimen, which initially includes a nutraceutical bundle, progressing to monoclonal antibody therapy, anti-infectives like HCQ or ivermectin, antibiotics, steroids and blood thinners.

    “McCullough, editor of two medical journals who has published 650 peer-reviewed papers, said this has been the first time in his career when he saw medical providers not offering early treatment for a disease.

    “The standard of care for COVID-19 has been to withhold treatment until a person is sick enough to be hospitalized. It typically takes two to three weeks for someone with COVID-19 to get sick enough to be hospitalized, and during that time early treatment can be lifesaving.

    “The rationale was that there have been no large, randomized trials conducted to know which treatments are safe and effective, but as McCullough said, ‘We can’t wait for large randomized trials … Something got in the minds of doctors and nurses and everyone to not treat COVID-19. I couldn’t stand it.’ He and colleagues worked feverishly to figure out a treatment — why didn’t national health organizations do so also?

    ” ‘Our government and other governments, and the entire world, has not lifted a finger to reduce the risk of hospitalization and death anywhere,’ McCullough said, pointing out the irony: ‘If there was a kid with asthma, would we let the kid wheeze and choke for two weeks before the kid has to go to the hospital? No, we give the child medications. We don’t have randomized trials for every single thing that we do.’ ”

    …and much more….

  11. “The rationale was that there have been no large, randomized trials conducted to know which treatments are safe and effective”
    For ivermectin and HCQ it seems clear that the call for trials is simply a delaying tactic.
    With (literally) a billion doses ingested the meds are known to be safe. There is no downside to allowing patients and their doctors decide to try.

  12. The photo at 7.08 of the first ever operation under anesthesia is still on display in the “Ether Dome” at MGH along with the surgical equipment that was used. In a day and age before electricity, the operating theater was built on the top floor of the hospital with large skylights for illumination. It’s the closest to a medical shrine I’ve ever seen.

  13. Barry Meislin on September 18, 2021 at 2:57 pm:

    This is a question I have been asking or months. It’s a pandemic. People are dying by the thousands. But the medical bureaucracy will not pursue therapeutics? It smacks of obstinacy. We can’t treat flu, and this is a similar respiratory virus. Ergo, there’s no possible early treatment.

    Yet, as more has become understood about Sars-covid-19 it has become clear that this is not primarily a respiratory disease. It is a vascular disease that often becomes pneumonia, but can damage the heart, kidneys, and vascular system `itself.

    Would it not make sense to be able to construct large scale trials of medications that have been identified as capable of destroying the virus before it gets a toe hold in the vascular system? It would not be the gold standard double-blind study, but if conducted carefully with good records, it could be useful in finding therapeutics.

    What’s more outrageous has been the lack of advocating for widespread use of monoclonal antibodies. They were used to treat several high profile people (Trump, Carson, Christy) months and months ago, and still there was no advocacy, no publicity, no selling of the treatment to the public. It’s now being advocated by government, but has also been politicized by Biden withholding supplies from some “bad red states.” (Florida, Mississippi, etc.) Hopefully, the treatment will become more widespread now an slow the number of hospitalizations.

    If Ivermectin could be used prophylactically, that would be even better. I’m not holding my breath on that one.

  14. Yes, that is entirely the point.
    1. Keep the crisis going at all costs.
    2. Prevent/ridicule/lie about ways to treat/mitigate/reduce the virus EXCEPT for the government-mandated way.

    Excellent methods to smear and slander a president with “causing” the deaths of tens of thousands (and more) Americans.
    Excellent ways to “ensure” the need for massive numbers of mail-in ballots…create electoral mayhem…and thus steal an election.
    Excellent tactics to dictate draconian laws on the population (for “the people’s own good” of course) as the government cements its power over the populace.
    Excellent strategies to cause fear, panic and despair (and death). And HATRED amongst the citizenry.
    (Also a terrific way for some to make tons of money…while many others suffer economic and psychological hardship.)

    Yep, we’re talking win-win-win-win for the Democratic Party of the USA.

  15. J.J. —

    We can’t treat flu

    Wouldn’t it be wild if Ivermectin turned out to be prophylactic against the flu as well? I’m pretty sure that doctor that Bret Weinstein interviewed suggested there was at the very least some interesting evidence that way.

  16. @Paul In Boston:

    Regarding daylight illumination: I walked along the potholed sidewalk past the Shenzhen People’s Number Whatever Dental Clinic in 1993 and got to see a row of mouths being worked on through the plate glass windows — none of those overhead lights that we’re used to seeing at the dentist.

  17. @Bryan Lovely:

    Re Ivermectin: There’s some speculation that the reason that there are some promising Third World studies is that so many people there are full of parasites that hitting them with a course of Ivermectin almost immediately gives them such a leg up that they go from being a sitting duck for Covid to being having enough bodily reserves to fight it off. But who knows?

    There are so many assumptions: People in different countries carry different burdens of endemic diseases, academic fraud is rampant *everywhere*, and different races have different susceptibilities to diseases and different drug responses.

    The fact that everything is now political doesn’t help either.

  18. “The rationale was that there have been no large, randomized trials conducted to know which treatments are safe and effective, but as McCullough said, ‘We can’t wait for large randomized trials … — Barry M.

    For ivermectin and HCQ it seems clear that the call for trials is simply a delaying tactic.
    With (literally) a billion doses ingested the meds are known to be safe. There is no downside to allowing patients and their doctors decide to try.
    — JimNorCal

    To me, the most breathtaking aspect are the multitude of claims in the media and from (previously) reputable medical experts, that drugs like HCQ and Ivermectin will kill you. It’s horse de-wormer don’t cha know. JimNorCal is 100% correct on that point.

    Now details matter, and I don’t know the details on this one, but while some Americans have been blathering about the lack of gold standard, randomized controlled double-blind studies, others have been doing them.

    From Brian Joondeph M.D. at Am. Thinker:

    A study published several months ago in the American Journal of Therapeutics concluded,

    Meta-analyses based on 18 randomized controlled treatment trials of ivermectin in COVID-19 have found large, statistically significant reductions in mortality, time to clinical recovery, and time to viral clearance. Furthermore, results from numerous controlled prophylaxis trials report significantly reduced risks of contracting COVID-19 with the regular use of ivermectin. Finally, the many examples of ivermectin distribution campaigns leading to rapid population-wide decreases in morbidity and mortality indicate that an oral agent effective in all phases of COVID-19 has been identified.

    It’s all hard to believe and yet, here we are.

    https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/fulltext/2021/06000/review_of_the_emerging_evidence_demonstrating_the.4.aspx

  19. Bryan Lovely: “Wouldn’t it be wild if Ivermectin turned out to be prophylactic against the flu as well?”

    Wow, now that’s something to be devoutly wished for. Could it be that Covid-19 might lead to a treatment for the flu? My bet is that, with the present uncurious, safety first, bottom line oriented pharma industry and FDA, it won’t be soon. 🙁

    I presently use an over the counter supplement to treat the flu – Umcka.
    What is Umcka?
    “Umcka (Pelargonium sidoides) is a geranium plant native to South Africa. Long used in traditional African medicine, umcka (short for “umckaloabo”) has recently become popular in other parts of the world, particularly as a remedy for colds and cough.”
    It works pretty well for me. That is, it shortens the symptoms. YMMV.

    I was recently scheduled for a routine blood draw (every six months tracking my anemia and other markers.) I asked to have my Covid antibodies checked and said I would pay for the test. Wow, you would think I asked for HCQ or Ivermectin. The clinic got its panties in a twist and went full bore talking me out of the test. They said the information would be useless to me. They said the vaccination antibodies could not be tested for. They wanted to know why I wanted the information. Curiosity, I said. hey didn’t like that answer. They refused to get the test. I was not amused. If there was a great s election of doctors near me, I would change, but it is hard to find a doctor that’s accepting ne patients in this area. So, I’m stuck with establishment medicine.

    I don’t dare tell my doctor that I’m taking Quercetin, C, D, zinc, and melatonin as a Covid prophylactic.

  20. Interesting article about a town in Southern West Virginia:

    https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2021/09/15/grace-and-grit-in-southern-west-virginia/

    Intro:

    “For years, I’ve wanted to go to southern West Virginia and do original reporting on what’s alternatively called “the white death” and “the opioid crisis.” It is the greatest social malady of our time, and people who read this publication should care about its resolution more than anyone else. After more than a year of false starts, I secured private funding to go there, specifically, to McDowell County, the nation’s poorest and least healthy county, just east of Kentucky and abutting Virginia to the south in what used to be “coal country.” By way of disclaimer, I told everyone the truth: That this project was taken on as a freelance project and I wasn’t sure where it would be published. I did not advertise my more controversial views. For the sake of everyone’s privacy, each person I spoke to is described and quoted anonymously.

    Finally, this essay is not the end result of a research project. I leave the task of documenting the sociological and economic origins of this crisis to historians and authors capable of obtaining grants and book deals. What I set out to do here was speak to actual residents of the area. I wanted to know what they had to say about it all and what they had seen over the course of their lives.”

  21. J.J. —

    You’re in the Seattle area, right? There’s a place down in Renton that does all kinds of a la carte lab tests; they might offer the antibody tests. I was going to go get a bunch of levels checked just before the lockdowns hit and never got around to it once everything semi-reopened.

  22. Dr. Mercola (continued):
    https://tinyurl.com/p8mjcv2d
    “COVID-19 and the Global Predators (According to Dr. Peter Breggin)”
    Key grafs (It sounds totally unbelievable…except that….):

    [“In this interview, Dr. Peter Breggin — known as “the conscience of psychiatry” for his instrumental role in preventing the return of lobotomy as a psychiatric treatment in the early 1970s — discusses his latest book, “COVID-19 and the Global Predators: We Are the Prey…”]

    “We are in the middle of the biggest, most effective propaganda war in the history of the world, designed to make us helpless, obedient and docile. The end goal is to create a totalitarian world regime.

    “In psychotherapy, people who’ve been abused often cannot identify the abuse as evil. They can’t bear to think there are people who take pleasure from injury and domination. Citizens across the world are currently being abused, and must face the fact that there are evil people intentionally trying to hurt them.

    “In 2015, a scientific paper announced they had the means to create a pandemic. The research was funded by the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and carried out at the Wuhan Institute of Virology

    “The Communist Chinese Party has been working with SARS-CoV-type viruses since at least 2003, and there have been four different leaks of SARS viruses since then.

    “In 2016, Bill Gates created a business plan for the World Economic Forum that details everything we’re experiencing now.”

  23. I sent the following email to President Biden and my senators and congressman:

    Investigate Gen. Mark Milley’s Alleged Treason

    Bob Woodward’s new book states that Gen. Mark Milley, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, called China’s top general during the Trump administration, and told the general that Milley would alert him prior to any US attack.

    Gen. Milley has not denied this allegation of treason. He needs to be investigated and, if it is true, punished to the full extent of the law.

    I will continue to pray for you, and that you will have the wisdom and courage to do the right things.

  24. Bryan Lovely, thanks for the info. I’m up north in Snohomish County. Just got word about a doctor in Stanwood that’s doing the tests for people. There are still doctors with open minds, though few and far between. 🙁

  25. I have a photograph of a woman – an ancestor from probably 1860s in the Ukraine. She wasn’t a wealthy woman, no one in the family was at that time.I take issue with the term Reality. Photography has never been reality, it has always been tampered with. Sure, those eyes staring back at us are very real. But to be honest, a good painter achieves the same.

  26. @ Barry > “Woopsie:”

    The Epoch Times link is paywalled, but here is a “copy” from another source, and a background article from National Review, which I remember reading at the time.

    The Main Objective of our Bureaucratic State appears to be “avoid oversight at all costs because the people will find out what we are doing.”

    https://yournews.com/2021/09/17/2222195/gop-senators-demand-nih-provide-answers-on-deletion-of-covid-19/

    https://www.nationalreview.com/news/top-gop-senators-demand-nih-director-disclose-covid-data-deletion-details/

  27. So refreshing to live in Asia where you can mostly say what you think — certainly to a far greater extent than in the Liberal Democratic (yeah yeah) West.

    Indonesia wants to ban backpackers from Bali, but will a focus on ‘quality’ tourists pay off?
    In a bid to rejuvenate the island’s pandemic-hammered tourism sector, an official has floated the idea of ‘filtering’ visitors once it reopens to foreigners
    While reports of badly behaved overseas guests mean some back the decision, others say it’s a move away from Bali’s history that may further hit business

    https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/economics/article/3149188/indonesia-wants-ban-backpackers-bali-will-focus-quality

    Oh… pardon me. I forgot. It’s like Totally Nazi to want to have some control over your living environment and not allow just any random foreign mystery meat to defecate all over it!

  28. @ PA Cat > “Have you seen the blog post suggesting that Anthony Fauci is a case of Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy?”

    That was absolutely frightening.
    The author doesn’t really introduce anything new — in fact, we’ve discussed some of the “remember this?” articles over the last year — but putting them all together and then giving the result a name is a step forward.

    A couple of years ago, I would have dismissed it completely as “tin foil hat conspiracy mongering.”

    however, since we’ve learned so much of what went on in the government catacombs from 2016 up to now, it’s moved into the “there could be something to this” category instead.

  29. @ Les > “images of famous (and some not famous at all) people in the past and projects how they would look now.”

    Curse you! That’s an hour I could have used reading about stupid famous people today!
    The time was much better spent looking at the pictures.

  30. @Wesson:

    You’re welcome. Your Pro-forma Mandatory Muh Evil
    Nazis Disavowed Disclaimer duly noted.

    As I’ve mentioned before, I’m not going to fabricate a rubber stamp of standard boilerplate disclaimer prose and attempt to wash myself in the Blood of the Lamb every time I link to something which might have contentious comments or contentious other articles in the sidebar.

    Food for Thought:

    You might want to ask yourself when the Super Good Most Definitely Not Nazi Deep Thinkers of The Heritage (Stop! You’re killing me!) Foundation or National (yes… yes but which Nation might we be all about?) Review have last bothered to go talk to these common folk and get some genuine non-patronizing feel for their Quaint (And dare I say it in a curious reversal of historical truth?) Alien Folkways.

    These are people who have been totally and utterly #$%^ed over by both sides of the UniParty Punch and Judy Show of American Politics. Their jobs were offshored or regulated out of existence and then they were drugged to within an inch of their lives thanks to open borders and the S.acklers.

  31. Zaphod:

    Speaking of Quaint Alien Folkways… Here’s an oldie-but-goodie you may have missed about the Nacirema.

    So near, yet so far…
    ___________________________________

    [The Nacirema] are a North American group living in the territory between the Canadian Cree, the Yaqui and Tarahumare of Mexico, and the Carib and Arawak of the Antilles. Little is known of their origin, although tradition states that they came from the east. According to Nacirema mythology, their nation was originated by a culture hero, Notgnihsaw, who is otherwise known for two great feats of strength–the throwing of a piece of wampum across the river Pa-To-Mac and the chopping down of a cherry tree in which the Spirit of Truth resided.

    –Horace Miner, “Body Ritual Among the Nacirema” (1956)
    https://anthrosource.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1525/aa.1956.58.3.02a00080

  32. @Huxley:

    1776 and All That!

    (I think Neo or someone here has written before about the classic hilarious English Schoolboy History Spoof 1066 and All That.)

  33. Compare and contrast;
    “We are living in a blizzard of lies…” (Mark Steyn)
    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/steyn-hinge-moment-history

    “US Sen. Scott: Massive Spending Plan By Biden And Democrats Is Built On A ‘Complete Lie’”
    https://www.tampafp.com/us-sen-scott-massive-spending-plan-by-biden-and-democrats-is-built-on-a-complete-lie/

    “Futures Slide, Europe Tumbles As Evergrande Contagion Shockwave Goes Global”
    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/futures-slide-europe-tumbles-evergrande-contagion-shockwave-goes-global

    Everything is proceeding as “Biden” has planned?

  34. Barry – the Zerohedge-Steyn link 404ed.
    Here’s one directly to the source.
    https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/17695/hinge-moment-history

    Excellent but long article, which is a transcription of a speech he gave earlier this year.
    The “bullet points” summary is longer than most blog posts.

    Lots of good comments; I particularly liked this one.

    From the article: “They said that sometimes they would put warnings on things that are factually accurate because, even though they are true, they do not think it is in society’s interest for people to be seeing it.” Can you tell me more about that warning? If I can do a search for the appearance of that warning, I will have found what amounts to a list of recommended reading. The Index Librorum Prohibitorum (“List of Prohibited Books”) served that same function for my ornery Protestant ancestors. Now, I’m not so perverse and easily manipulated that the authorities could get me to read something simply by forbidding it. I reserve the right of personal judgement and evaluation.

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